Appearance Armor?!?!?!

Banditman · 02-24-2011, 11:01 AM

Dear Developers: Is it intended that named mobs drop *only* appearance armor?

If certain named mobs are intended to drop appearance armor, those mobs should be OPTIONAL for zone progression.

But still, the mobs we are seeing drop this armor are not tank n spank mobs. I'm not saying they are overly ridiculous or anything, but seriously? Appearance armor ONLY?!?!?! FFS put something else in the box.

Gninja · 02-24-2011, 11:42 AM

Considering most NPCs that are triggered by quests usually drop nothing I thought adding Appearance items to them as drops would be welcomed. This is not the first time quests have been required for progression.

zorkan · 02-24-2011, 11:52 AM

It might not be that obvious on your first run that the specific named will not be there the next time... SMILEY

Gninja · 02-24-2011, 12:13 PM

They are repeatable either way in case you want the appearance gear.

Detor · 02-24-2011, 12:22 PM

Gninja wrote:

They are repeatable either way in case you want the appearance gear.

And the appearance gear looks pretty cool, at least Vethilot the corpsemonger's does. The head item for example looks sort of like something you might recognize from a very popular, very old science fiction movie. I wonder if that style continues throughout the entire set from him.

hatname · 02-24-2011, 01:08 PM

Gninja wrote:

Considering most NPCs that are triggered by quests usually drop nothing I thought adding Appearance items to them as drops would be welcomed. This is not the first time quests have been required for progression.

Nope not welcomed at all this is stoopid to say the least get a grip what obviously so [Removed for Content]'s came up with this one just .. you guys are getting really ... i give two shards about appearence items this is outrageous i think a might never run a herioc instance if this is the case not worth it if all you get is lame appearence gear okay cool i look good dying. appearence items ftmfl! RAGE

Gaige · 02-24-2011, 01:10 PM

I think the main problem is people don't really understand how ToFS works or why those named exist. Its so unlike how most instances are put together that I think it just discourages people when they kill a "named" and see appearance gear drop.

Gninja · 02-24-2011, 01:12 PM

The reward is completing the quest. SMILEY Also completing all those quests 2nd floor - 7th floor unlocks the best loot in the Tower.

Gaige · 02-24-2011, 01:14 PM

Gninja wrote:

The reward is completing the quest. Also completing all those quests 2nd floor - 7th floor unlocks the best loot in the Tower.

Eventually. Maybe. Hoefully~

Wait today is the day Tserrina gets fixed huh =x

Brigh · 02-24-2011, 01:17 PM

twhat wrote:

Gninja wrote:
Considering most NPCs that are triggered by quests usually drop nothing I thought adding Appearance items to them as drops would be welcomed. This is not the first time quests have been required for progression.
Nope not welcomed at all this is stoopid to say the least get a grip what obviously so [Removed for Content]'s came up with this one just .. you guys are getting really ... i give two shards about appearence items this is outrageous i think a might never run a herioc instance if this is the case not worth it if all you get is lame appearence gear okay cool i look good dying. appearence items ftmfl! RAGE

*pulls over the offending poster and issues him a ticket

wilson420 · 02-24-2011, 01:18 PM

twhat wrote:

Gninja wrote:
Considering most NPCs that are triggered by quests usually drop nothing I thought adding Appearance items to them as drops would be welcomed. This is not the first time quests have been required for progression.
Nope not welcomed at all this is stoopid to say the least get a grip what obviously so [Removed for Content]'s came up with this one just .. you guys are getting really ... i give two shards about appearence items this is outrageous i think a might never run a herioc instance if this is the case not worth it if all you get is lame appearence gear okay cool i look good dying. appearence items ftmfl! RAGE

Was this English? Ever heard of punctuation? Talk about hard to read...

I personally think that getting some appearance gear would be way better than getting nothing. Ya just can't make some people happy no matter what you do.

Detor · 02-24-2011, 01:33 PM

twhat wrote:

Gninja wrote:
Considering most NPCs that are triggered by quests usually drop nothing I thought adding Appearance items to them as drops would be welcomed. This is not the first time quests have been required for progression.
Nope not welcomed at all this is stoopid to say the least get a grip what obviously so [Removed for Content]'s came up with this one just .. you guys are getting really ... i give two shards about appearence items this is outrageous i think a might never run a herioc instance if this is the case not worth it if all you get is lame appearence gear okay cool i look good dying. appearence items ftmfl! RAGE

The named that drop appearance gear are optional. You don't have to do the quest everytime you go in there, even if you do the quest you don't have to fight them, they don't block your way to the next area. You don't want the appearance gear then don't kill him, don't even put the effort into spawning him. Just pretend he doesn't exist and it doesn't effect you in the least.

Note: They didn't take up a 'slot' in the zone, you still get the same number of loot dropping normal named as you would have anyway.

MrWolfie · 02-25-2011, 09:51 AM

Detor wrote:

You don't have to do the quest everytime you go in there, even if you do the quest you don't have to fight them, they don't block your way to the next area. You don't want the appearance gear then don't kill him, don't even put the effort into spawning him. Just pretend he doesn't exist and it doesn't effect you in the least.

Wouldn't this be another disincentive for experienced players to not include new-to-the-zone players in their PUG?

Eugam · 02-25-2011, 10:22 AM

Aemm@Splitpaw wrote:

Detor wrote:
You don't have to do the quest everytime you go in there, even if you do the quest you don't have to fight them, they don't block your way to the next area. You don't want the appearance gear then don't kill him, don't even put the effort into spawning him. Just pretend he doesn't exist and it doesn't effect you in the least.
Wouldn't this be another disincentive for experienced players to not include new-to-the-zone players in their PUG?

Its like this or worse since they introduced sets and raid sets 1 tier ahead of the heroics. Rarely a PUG for Shoulders in CMM, no PUGs in GuK, PUG only for very few classes to Erudin Palace. PUG to Hole for Dartain and Lucan was a pain to get a (small)group going. PUG players like me adopt to it since years. Is this good ? Not really, but so is life. There is no way to stop rush farming for certain drops. They do the zone for just one item until they get it.

We still got some very good PUG players who are able to beat anything with even weird setups and who are willing to spent some time into the group.

Lancelotte · 02-25-2011, 01:09 PM

How do you have it spawn a second time, if it is repeatable?

02-24-2011, 11:01 AM	#1
Banditman Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,459	Dear Developers: Is it intended that named mobs drop only appearance armor? If certain named mobs are intended to drop appearance armor, those mobs should be OPTIONAL for zone progression. But still, the mobs we are seeing drop this armor are not tank n spank mobs. I'm not saying they are overly ridiculous or anything, but seriously? Appearance armor ONLY?!?!?! FFS put something else in the box. __________________

02-24-2011, 12:22 PM	#5
Detor Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,198	Gninja wrote: They are repeatable either way in case you want the appearance gear. And the appearance gear looks pretty cool, at least Vethilot the corpsemonger's does. The head item for example looks sort of like something you might recognize from a very popular, very old science fiction movie. I wonder if that style continues throughout the entire set from him. __________________ Comcast (SMC D3G-BIZ) & Verizon Cellphone (Droid Charge)

02-24-2011, 01:08 PM	#6
hatname Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 25	Gninja wrote: Considering most NPCs that are triggered by quests usually drop nothing I thought adding Appearance items to them as drops would be welcomed. This is not the first time quests have been required for progression. Nope not welcomed at all this is stoopid to say the least get a grip what obviously so [Removed for Content]'s came up with this one just .. you guys are getting really ... i give two shards about appearence items this is outrageous i think a might never run a herioc instance if this is the case not worth it if all you get is lame appearence gear okay cool i look good dying. appearence items ftmfl! RAGE

02-24-2011, 01:10 PM	#7
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	I think the main problem is people don't really understand how ToFS works or why those named exist. Its so unlike how most instances are put together that I think it just discourages people when they kill a "named" and see appearance gear drop. __________________

02-24-2011, 01:14 PM	#9
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	Gninja wrote: The reward is completing the quest. Also completing all those quests 2nd floor - 7th floor unlocks the best loot in the Tower. Eventually. Maybe. Hoefully~ Wait today is the day Tserrina gets fixed huh =x __________________

02-24-2011, 11:42 AM	#2
Gninja The Dev Gnome Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,664	Considering most NPCs that are triggered by quests usually drop nothing I thought adding Appearance items to them as drops would be welcomed. This is not the first time quests have been required for progression.

02-24-2011, 11:52 AM	#3
zorkan Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 217	It might not be that obvious on your first run that the specific named will not be there the next time...

02-24-2011, 12:13 PM	#4
Gninja The Dev Gnome Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,664	They are repeatable either way in case you want the appearance gear.

02-24-2011, 01:12 PM	#8
Gninja The Dev Gnome Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,664	The reward is completing the quest. Also completing all those quests 2nd floor - 7th floor unlocks the best loot in the Tower.

02-24-2011, 01:17 PM	#10
Brigh Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,159	twhat wrote: Gninja wrote: Considering most NPCs that are triggered by quests usually drop nothing I thought adding Appearance items to them as drops would be welcomed. This is not the first time quests have been required for progression. Nope not welcomed at all this is stoopid to say the least get a grip what obviously so [Removed for Content]'s came up with this one just .. you guys are getting really ... i give two shards about appearence items this is outrageous i think a might never run a herioc instance if this is the case not worth it if all you get is lame appearence gear okay cool i look good dying. appearence items ftmfl! RAGE *pulls over the offending poster and issues him a ticket __________________ Anything you can achieve through hard work, you can also just buy. -Stephen Colbert CoD3 double XP Rank Up promotion lesson for kids

02-24-2011, 01:18 PM	#11
wilson420 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 7	twhat wrote: Gninja wrote: Considering most NPCs that are triggered by quests usually drop nothing I thought adding Appearance items to them as drops would be welcomed. This is not the first time quests have been required for progression. Nope not welcomed at all this is stoopid to say the least get a grip what obviously so [Removed for Content]'s came up with this one just .. you guys are getting really ... i give two shards about appearence items this is outrageous i think a might never run a herioc instance if this is the case not worth it if all you get is lame appearence gear okay cool i look good dying. appearence items ftmfl! RAGE Was this English? Ever heard of punctuation? Talk about hard to read... I personally think that getting some appearance gear would be way better than getting nothing. Ya just can't make some people happy no matter what you do.

02-24-2011, 01:33 PM	#12
Detor Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,198	twhat wrote: Gninja wrote: Considering most NPCs that are triggered by quests usually drop nothing I thought adding Appearance items to them as drops would be welcomed. This is not the first time quests have been required for progression. Nope not welcomed at all this is stoopid to say the least get a grip what obviously so [Removed for Content]'s came up with this one just .. you guys are getting really ... i give two shards about appearence items this is outrageous i think a might never run a herioc instance if this is the case not worth it if all you get is lame appearence gear okay cool i look good dying. appearence items ftmfl! RAGE The named that drop appearance gear are optional. You don't have to do the quest everytime you go in there, even if you do the quest you don't have to fight them, they don't block your way to the next area. You don't want the appearance gear then don't kill him, don't even put the effort into spawning him. Just pretend he doesn't exist and it doesn't effect you in the least. Note: They didn't take up a 'slot' in the zone, you still get the same number of loot dropping normal named as you would have anyway. __________________ Comcast (SMC D3G-BIZ) & Verizon Cellphone (Droid Charge)

02-25-2011, 09:51 AM	#13
MrWolfie Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Agent of Chaos Guildhall, North Qeynos, Splitpaw. Posts: 1,239	Detor wrote: You don't have to do the quest everytime you go in there, even if you do the quest you don't have to fight them, they don't block your way to the next area. You don't want the appearance gear then don't kill him, don't even put the effort into spawning him. Just pretend he doesn't exist and it doesn't effect you in the least. Wouldn't this be another disincentive for experienced players to not include new-to-the-zone players in their PUG? __________________

02-25-2011, 10:22 AM	#14
Eugam Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,403	Aemm@Splitpaw wrote: Detor wrote: You don't have to do the quest everytime you go in there, even if you do the quest you don't have to fight them, they don't block your way to the next area. You don't want the appearance gear then don't kill him, don't even put the effort into spawning him. Just pretend he doesn't exist and it doesn't effect you in the least. Wouldn't this be another disincentive for experienced players to not include new-to-the-zone players in their PUG? Its like this or worse since they introduced sets and raid sets 1 tier ahead of the heroics. Rarely a PUG for Shoulders in CMM, no PUGs in GuK, PUG only for very few classes to Erudin Palace. PUG to Hole for Dartain and Lucan was a pain to get a (small)group going. PUG players like me adopt to it since years. Is this good ? Not really, but so is life. There is no way to stop rush farming for certain drops. They do the zone for just one item until they get it. We still got some very good PUG players who are able to beat anything with even weird setups and who are willing to spent some time into the group.

02-25-2011, 01:09 PM	#15
Lancelotte Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 20	How do you have it spawn a second time, if it is repeatable?