In this corner

Thunndar316 · 11-07-2010, 02:51 PM

Tank TankTankTankSwashDirge

In the other corner

TankTankHealerHealerCoercerWarlock

Yeah you can guess what happened

Avianna · 11-07-2010, 02:56 PM

tank

VS.

ranger

illy

coercer

healer

Guess what happened here.....

Corydonn · 11-07-2010, 03:15 PM

The team with the better players.

Shizune · 11-07-2010, 05:13 PM

Corydonn wrote:

The team with the better players.

Exactly. Usually the team with the better players will just walk all over the other team. I've been on plenty of teams that have beaten teams with 2 healers and none of our own.

Thunndar316 · 11-07-2010, 05:54 PM

Yes keep defending the crappy matchmaking service so we continue to have crappy gameplay.

Keep up the fanboy attitudes,

/rollseyes

Dorsan · 11-07-2010, 06:29 PM

If I'd get to chose 2 healers or Corydonn for my team, I'd pick Corydonn. Just sayin'.

Davngr1 · 11-07-2010, 06:30 PM

no one likes the fact that the qued system is flawed but after months and months of asking for a fix with out even so much as a coment from a dev.. people are tired of these kinds of threads so they troll people who make them.

what you see here isin't fanboi'ing, it's trolling.

Davngr1 · 11-07-2010, 06:33 PM

Dorsan@Nagafen wrote:

If I'd get to chose 2 healers or Corydonn for my team, I'd pick Corydonn. Just sayin'.

well i was in a group with coryd and the other team had 3 healers vs. us havig none and we played smart as we could but got beat out at the end. think it was a premade if i rember correctly. like 3 healers two zerks and a chanter or something.

Corydonn · 11-07-2010, 09:08 PM

The matchmaking system attempts to put healers on both teams and put premade vs premade.... But EQ2's population isn't that big you have to remember and sometimes you are dealt bad cards so you aren't waiting for over five minutes, I rather have fast games than balanced perfect group games.

Ralpmet · 11-07-2010, 09:45 PM

If all your tanks assisted through one tank and effectively used taunting you would've won. I think that's what people mean by "the better group", basic strategies like that.

If a healer can't single target heal his heals are pretty much worthless over the long haul, especially when it comes to healing relic damage.

Avirodar · 11-07-2010, 09:57 PM

If you guys want to make statements about preferring to have a better geared, more experienced BG tank on your team, at the cost of your team having no healers, make sure it is when the other team has 2 healers with comparable gear and experience to the tank. See how that works out for you.Assuming groups of comparable gear and skill, i'll take the group with 2 healers, you guys can have a brawler.

Corydonn · 11-07-2010, 10:07 PM

Avirodar@Oasis wrote:

If you guys want to make statements about preferring to have a better geared, more experienced BG tank on your team, at the cost of your team having no healers, make sure it is when the other team has 2 healers with comparable gear and experience to the tank. See how that works out for you.Assuming groups of comparable gear and skill, i'll take the group with 2 healers, you guys can have a brawler.

Again, Depends on the players... If the healers aren't getting support, They are going to be picked off.

Flobdeth · 11-07-2010, 10:12 PM

Corydonn wrote:

Again, Depends on the players... If the healers aren't getting support, They are going to be picked off.

+1 to that

Xethren · 11-08-2010, 10:26 AM

Thunndar316 wrote:

Tank TankTankTankSwashDirge
In the other corner
TankTankHealerHealerCoercerWarlock
Yeah you can guess what happened

Yeah, the team with the team lineup that looked golden got stomped. Ive been in plenty of those. The team with the PVP or Raid gear wins.

Hey Devs, Matchmaker fix please! We've only been asking for this since day one of BG release.

Brook · 11-08-2010, 11:22 AM

Thunndar316 wrote:

Tank TankTankTankSwashDirge
In the other corner
TankTankHealerHealerCoercerWarlock
Yeah you can guess what happened

Your still whining about not getting a healer?

Why dont you start a healer then you will never be without one, I am normally not one to say L2p but really it kind of fits here.

So that would probably make me a fanboi or troll.../shrug, a little of both I guess.

You dont need a healer to win.

Dramira · 11-08-2010, 11:48 AM

I dont think random matching making is SO bad. I mean you cant win everything so sometimes dont get good luck, what can ya do. You can always form your own group to go in as an organized team.

Proud_Silence · 11-08-2010, 01:47 PM

Corydonn wrote:

The team with the better geared players.

There fixed it for you.

NolaDragon · 11-08-2010, 02:08 PM

Proud_Silence wrote:

Corydonn wrote:
The team with the better geared players.
There fixed it for you.

Since gear is equal to time spent & with time comes skill in utilizeing your class in muti situations (hopefully) Then the only thing left to whine about is group make up , wich soe has given us the tools to control.

So in essence there is really nothing to whine about.

Prestissimo · 11-09-2010, 06:15 AM

NolaDragon wrote:

Proud_Silence wrote:
Corydonn wrote:
The team with the better geared players.
There fixed it for you.
Since gear is equal to time spent & with time comes skill in utilizeing your class in muti situations (hopefully) Then the only thing left to whine about is group make up , wich soe has given us the tools to control.
So in essence there is really nothing to whine about.

I could roll an alt, power level it to 90 in 5 days, 4/5ths afk BGs for tokens, get full BG gear, and still know nothing about the class. Does that make me a pro just because I have the gear? Nope. Does it make me a worthless scrub just because I don't yet have full BG gear on ALL of my toons? Nope; just squishier than I could be.

Just sayin...

Zacarus · 11-09-2010, 07:15 PM

Corydonn wrote:

The matchmaking system attempts to put healers on both teams and put premade vs premade....

Are these rules laid down in writing by eq2 personnel, or your observation?

Ralpmet · 11-09-2010, 08:31 PM

the way devs have explained the matchmaker is this;

grabs 2 premades

fills in slots needed

starts.

If there are no 2 premades,

fills in slots needed

starts.

It all goes to hell when it fills a slot with someone who declines, then randomly fills the spot after the match starts. This has been stated by devs, can't be bothered to find where.

Traxor · 11-12-2010, 05:26 AM

Tank

Illy

Wizard

Tank

Assassin

Tank

vs

Defiler

Warden

Paladin

dirge

Assassin

Ranger - Premade

Guess what happened here....

Dorsan · 11-12-2010, 09:08 AM

Defiler

Warden

Paladin

dirge

Assassin

Ranger - PUG

vs

Defiler

Warden

Paladin

dirge

Assassin

Ranger - Premade

Guess what happened here....

11-07-2010, 02:51 PM	#1
Thunndar316 Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,681	Tank TankTankTankSwashDirge In the other corner TankTankHealerHealerCoercerWarlock Yeah you can guess what happened __________________ Sleight of Hand is USELESS

11-07-2010, 02:56 PM	#2
Avianna Server: Butcherblock Guild: Ronin Rank: Officer Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Anchorage Alaska Posts: 435	tank tank tank tank tank tank VS. ranger ranger ranger illy coercer healer Guess what happened here..... __________________

11-07-2010, 05:13 PM	#4
Shizune Server: Nektulos Guild: Has Gone Linkdead Rank: Namara's Nekkid Ninjas Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 83	Corydonn wrote: The team with the better players. Exactly. Usually the team with the better players will just walk all over the other team. I've been on plenty of teams that have beaten teams with 2 healers and none of our own. __________________

11-07-2010, 05:54 PM	#5
Thunndar316 Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,681	Yes keep defending the crappy matchmaking service so we continue to have crappy gameplay. Keep up the fanboy attitudes, /rollseyes __________________ Sleight of Hand is USELESS

11-07-2010, 06:29 PM	#6
Dorsan Server: Nagafen Guild: Onyx Rank: Member Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 971	If I'd get to chose 2 healers or Corydonn for my team, I'd pick Corydonn. Just sayin'. __________________

11-07-2010, 03:15 PM	#3
Corydonn Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 744	The team with the better players.

11-07-2010, 06:30 PM	#7
Davngr1 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,179	no one likes the fact that the qued system is flawed but after months and months of asking for a fix with out even so much as a coment from a dev.. people are tired of these kinds of threads so they troll people who make them. what you see here isin't fanboi'ing, it's trolling. __________________

11-07-2010, 06:33 PM	#8
Davngr1 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,179	Dorsan@Nagafen wrote: If I'd get to chose 2 healers or Corydonn for my team, I'd pick Corydonn. Just sayin'. well i was in a group with coryd and the other team had 3 healers vs. us havig none and we played smart as we could but got beat out at the end. think it was a premade if i rember correctly. like 3 healers two zerks and a chanter or something. __________________

11-07-2010, 09:08 PM	#9
Corydonn Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 744	The matchmaking system attempts to put healers on both teams and put premade vs premade.... But EQ2's population isn't that big you have to remember and sometimes you are dealt bad cards so you aren't waiting for over five minutes, I rather have fast games than balanced perfect group games.

11-07-2010, 09:45 PM	#10
Ralpmet Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 779	If all your tanks assisted through one tank and effectively used taunting you would've won. I think that's what people mean by "the better group", basic strategies like that. If a healer can't single target heal his heals are pretty much worthless over the long haul, especially when it comes to healing relic damage.

11-07-2010, 09:57 PM	#11
Avirodar Server: Oasis Guild: Tyranny Rank: Champion Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,035	If you guys want to make statements about preferring to have a better geared, more experienced BG tank on your team, at the cost of your team having no healers, make sure it is when the other team has 2 healers with comparable gear and experience to the tank. See how that works out for you.Assuming groups of comparable gear and skill, i'll take the group with 2 healers, you guys can have a brawler. __________________ Templar of Oasis

11-07-2010, 10:07 PM	#12
Corydonn Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 744	Avirodar@Oasis wrote: If you guys want to make statements about preferring to have a better geared, more experienced BG tank on your team, at the cost of your team having no healers, make sure it is when the other team has 2 healers with comparable gear and experience to the tank. See how that works out for you.Assuming groups of comparable gear and skill, i'll take the group with 2 healers, you guys can have a brawler. Again, Depends on the players... If the healers aren't getting support, They are going to be picked off.

11-07-2010, 10:12 PM	#13
Flobdeth Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 225	Corydonn wrote: Again, Depends on the players... If the healers aren't getting support, They are going to be picked off. +1 to that

11-08-2010, 10:26 AM	#14
Xethren Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Okami Shyakai Rank: Den Watcher Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 433	Thunndar316 wrote: Tank TankTankTankSwashDirge In the other corner TankTankHealerHealerCoercerWarlock Yeah you can guess what happened Yeah, the team with the team lineup that looked golden got stomped. Ive been in plenty of those. The team with the PVP or Raid gear wins. Hey Devs, Matchmaker fix please! We've only been asking for this since day one of BG release.

11-08-2010, 11:22 AM	#15
Brook Tester Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,336	Thunndar316 wrote: Tank TankTankTankSwashDirge In the other corner TankTankHealerHealerCoercerWarlock Yeah you can guess what happened Your still whining about not getting a healer? Why dont you start a healer then you will never be without one, I am normally not one to say L2p but really it kind of fits here. So that would probably make me a fanboi or troll.../shrug, a little of both I guess. You dont need a healer to win. __________________ But seriously, you're the kind of guy that zones into gears without a healer and spends the whole match talking about the fact there isn't a healer instead of contributing. I hate you, and everyone like you that plays this game. Please spend less time whining and more time winning, it contributes to the general growth of the game and makes gameplay more enjoyable for all.

11-08-2010, 11:48 AM	#16
Dramira Server: Nagafen Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New York Posts: 118	I dont think random matching making is SO bad. I mean you cant win everything so sometimes dont get good luck, what can ya do. You can always form your own group to go in as an organized team.

11-08-2010, 01:47 PM	#17
Proud_Silence Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 342	Corydonn wrote: The team with the better geared players. There fixed it for you.

11-08-2010, 02:08 PM	#18
NolaDragon Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 143	Proud_Silence wrote: Corydonn wrote: The team with the better geared players. There fixed it for you. Since gear is equal to time spent & with time comes skill in utilizeing your class in muti situations (hopefully) Then the only thing left to whine about is group make up , wich soe has given us the tools to control. So in essence there is really nothing to whine about.

11-09-2010, 06:15 AM	#19
Prestissimo Server: Butcherblock Guild: The Evolution Rank: Noobsauce Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 664	NolaDragon wrote: Proud_Silence wrote: Corydonn wrote: The team with the better geared players. There fixed it for you. Since gear is equal to time spent & with time comes skill in utilizeing your class in muti situations (hopefully) Then the only thing left to whine about is group make up , wich soe has given us the tools to control. So in essence there is really nothing to whine about. I could roll an alt, power level it to 90 in 5 days, 4/5ths afk BGs for tokens, get full BG gear, and still know nothing about the class. Does that make me a pro just because I have the gear? Nope. Does it make me a worthless scrub just because I don't yet have full BG gear on ALL of my toons? Nope; just squishier than I could be. Just sayin...

11-09-2010, 07:15 PM	#20
Zacarus Server: Nagafen Guild: Elusive Rank: Guild Leader Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 681	Corydonn wrote: The matchmaking system attempts to put healers on both teams and put premade vs premade.... Are these rules laid down in writing by eq2 personnel, or your observation?

11-09-2010, 08:31 PM	#21
Ralpmet Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 779	the way devs have explained the matchmaker is this; grabs 2 premades fills in slots needed starts. If there are no 2 premades, fills in slots needed starts. It all goes to hell when it fills a slot with someone who declines, then randomly fills the spot after the match starts. This has been stated by devs, can't be bothered to find where.

11-12-2010, 05:26 AM	#22
Traxor Server: Lucan DLere Guild: Vigilance Rank: Raider Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 115	Tank Illy Wizard Tank Assassin Tank vs Defiler Warden Paladin dirge Assassin Ranger - Premade Guess what happened here....

11-12-2010, 09:08 AM	#23
Dorsan Server: Nagafen Guild: Onyx Rank: Member Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 971	Defiler Warden Paladin dirge Assassin Ranger - PUG vs Defiler Warden Paladin dirge Assassin Ranger - Premade Guess what happened here.... __________________