I can't get my gears to stay put!

Chalulla · 08-01-2010, 01:20 PM

I placed 3 Overworked Rhodium Gears on the floor in my guild hall and sunk them into the floor. Every morning when I log in, 2 of them are invisible. One of my guildies said he logged out on top of one of them one night and when he logged in, he was in the ceiling of the room below. I have tried to change how far I sink them into the floor, raised them up a little and down, but without fail, 2 of them keep disappearing. What else can I try?

Any help is much appreciated as this is driving me bonkers.

krizet · 08-01-2010, 04:18 PM

As simple and silly as this may sound, have you just picked them back up into inventory and started placement again from scratch?

You may have, and it is only a thought, but I find sometimes, that no matter what you do, you cannot reset something... Unless you just plain pick it up and start again. That way everything that was done to it (new # values etc) are effectively erased and you can start with the proper placement again.

Hope it helps SMILEY

Krizet, for her Troops.

Nektulos_Rishi · 08-01-2010, 07:46 PM

The layout editting is really picky.. if you place an item at a certain level, it will determine the center point to not be visible and therefore, it disappears. One thing I have found has helped when working on stuff like that is instead of a rounded number like 90, 89.99 makes it visible. Not sure if that will really help for you, because I can't see exactly what you've done but, its an idea.

Bitsy · 08-01-2010, 09:06 PM

I assume you are using layout files to put it into the floor. As near as I can tell all objects have an anchor point. if the anchor point is in an invalid location then the object will "disappear" when the house is reloaded.

Assuming the gear looks the same on the top as the bottom you can try turning it upside down (rotate 180) then raising it out of the floor.

Chalulla · 08-02-2010, 01:14 PM

Well, I tried picking them up into my inventory and starting over. I also tried using -0.99 instead of -1.0 to sink it into the floor. When I logged in this morning, one gear was fine and the other 2 disappeared again. lol.

Chalulla · 08-02-2010, 01:32 PM

Ok so just to show you what Im talking about, here's a pic.

The 3 gears that run down the middle of the floor. The first one stays, the one in the middle and the far one disappear.

Aerfen · 08-02-2010, 01:52 PM

I'm not too familiar with the layout editor as of yet, but a non-layout solution may be to raise your flooring up a bit, place the gears on the actual floor instead of sinking them, then add a stair or two to the entry way. The layouts are still pretty finicky from what I've seen.

Barx · 08-02-2010, 02:11 PM

What's the layout underneath that room look like? Does the room underneath cover the entirety of that main room? If not, does it only cover the one gear that doesn't disappear and not the two that do?

What I've seen happen before is that an item that has no zone geometry beneath it can get moved off into a corner of the zone when the zone reloads. Don't ask me why it does it, I've just seen it happen (try sticking a porter over a hole in the world in CL in a CL guild hall -- oops the porter is now miles away up in the air on next reload).

As others have said, you may need to either continue moving them up (-0.9, then -0.8, etc.) until they behave. Ultimately you may have to raise your floor or design around somewhat taller gears.

Jesdyr · 08-02-2010, 02:30 PM

Bitsy@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Assuming the gear looks the same on the top as the bottom you can try turning it upside down (rotate 180) then raising it out of the floor.

^ that

The problem is the way that the client loads items. It will only load items that it thinks are in view. If the item's mount point is below the floor it is unlikely to be rendered at all.

If you have already flipped those and are still having the problem, just raise them up by about .01 untill it stops.

Chalulla · 08-02-2010, 02:33 PM

The room is in the FP T1 guild hall. If you are familiar with them, its the one room in the back on the first floor. All I did was place corrugated floor tiles down, then placed the overworked rhodium gear on the floor and sank it down into the floor. It's pretty straight forward. I just don't get why one is behaving and the other 2 aren't. You would think if it was a problem with the height it would affect all 3 lol.

Chalulla · 08-02-2010, 02:34 PM

Jesdyr@Unrest wrote:

Bitsy@Antonia Bayle wrote:
Assuming the gear looks the same on the top as the bottom you can try turning it upside down (rotate 180) then raising it out of the floor.
^ that
The problem is the way that the client loads items. It will only load items that it thinks are in view. If the item's mount point is below the floor it is unlikely to be rendered at all.
If you have already flipped those and are still having the problem, just raise them up by about .01 untill it stops.

They are not the same on the top as the bottom so flipping them won't work. I may just end up going without, this is more of hassle then I want to bother with.

Jesdyr · 08-02-2010, 02:37 PM

Chalulla@Najena wrote:

I just don't get why one is behaving and the other 2 aren't. You would think if it was a problem with the height it would affect all 3 lol.

You would think so .. but if there is one thing I have learned in all my playing with layouts it is that sometimes things just dont make sense.

Flip the gears (+/- 180 pitch or roll) and adjust the height. It should fix the issue.

08-01-2010, 04:18 PM	#2
krizet Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 163	As simple and silly as this may sound, have you just picked them back up into inventory and started placement again from scratch? You may have, and it is only a thought, but I find sometimes, that no matter what you do, you cannot reset something... Unless you just plain pick it up and start again. That way everything that was done to it (new # values etc) are effectively erased and you can start with the proper placement again. Hope it helps Krizet, for her Troops. __________________ Krizet, for the Troops My Works: Oasis Server Leaderboards - Hall of Fame Castle Malia Castle Silverleaf The Shire My RL Home KA Guild Hall

08-01-2010, 09:06 PM	#4
Bitsy Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Paper Tigers Rank: Samurai (Honored Members) Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 145	I assume you are using layout files to put it into the floor. As near as I can tell all objects have an anchor point. if the anchor point is in an invalid location then the object will "disappear" when the house is reloaded. Assuming the gear looks the same on the top as the bottom you can try turning it upside down (rotate 180) then raising it out of the floor. __________________

08-02-2010, 01:52 PM	#7
Aerfen Server: Lucan DLere Guild: Felwithe Freedom Fighters Rank: Leader Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 524	I'm not too familiar with the layout editor as of yet, but a non-layout solution may be to raise your flooring up a bit, place the gears on the actual floor instead of sinking them, then add a stair or two to the entry way. The layouts are still pretty finicky from what I've seen. __________________ Thank you for giving carpenters building blocks!! - Lady Aerfen

08-02-2010, 02:30 PM	#9
Jesdyr Server: Unrest Guild: Curmudgeons Rank: Senior Officer Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,710	Bitsy@Antonia Bayle wrote: Assuming the gear looks the same on the top as the bottom you can try turning it upside down (rotate 180) then raising it out of the floor. ^ that The problem is the way that the client loads items. It will only load items that it thinks are in view. If the item's mount point is below the floor it is unlikely to be rendered at all. If you have already flipped those and are still having the problem, just raise them up by about .01 untill it stops.

08-02-2010, 02:34 PM	#11
Chalulla Server: Unrest Guild: Shoukin Rank: Inactive Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 48	Jesdyr@Unrest wrote: Bitsy@Antonia Bayle wrote: Assuming the gear looks the same on the top as the bottom you can try turning it upside down (rotate 180) then raising it out of the floor. ^ that The problem is the way that the client loads items. It will only load items that it thinks are in view. If the item's mount point is below the floor it is unlikely to be rendered at all. If you have already flipped those and are still having the problem, just raise them up by about .01 untill it stops. They are not the same on the top as the bottom so flipping them won't work. I may just end up going without, this is more of hassle then I want to bother with.

08-01-2010, 01:20 PM	#1
Chalulla Server: Unrest Guild: Shoukin Rank: Inactive Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 48	I placed 3 Overworked Rhodium Gears on the floor in my guild hall and sunk them into the floor. Every morning when I log in, 2 of them are invisible. One of my guildies said he logged out on top of one of them one night and when he logged in, he was in the ceiling of the room below. I have tried to change how far I sink them into the floor, raised them up a little and down, but without fail, 2 of them keep disappearing. What else can I try? Any help is much appreciated as this is driving me bonkers.

08-01-2010, 07:46 PM	#3
Nektulos_Rishi Lord Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 65	The layout editting is really picky.. if you place an item at a certain level, it will determine the center point to not be visible and therefore, it disappears. One thing I have found has helped when working on stuff like that is instead of a rounded number like 90, 89.99 makes it visible. Not sure if that will really help for you, because I can't see exactly what you've done but, its an idea.

08-02-2010, 01:14 PM	#5
Chalulla Server: Unrest Guild: Shoukin Rank: Inactive Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 48	Well, I tried picking them up into my inventory and starting over. I also tried using -0.99 instead of -1.0 to sink it into the floor. When I logged in this morning, one gear was fine and the other 2 disappeared again. lol.

08-02-2010, 01:32 PM	#6
Chalulla Server: Unrest Guild: Shoukin Rank: Inactive Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 48	Ok so just to show you what Im talking about, here's a pic. The 3 gears that run down the middle of the floor. The first one stays, the one in the middle and the far one disappear.

08-02-2010, 02:11 PM	#8
Barx Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Mayhem Rank: Officers Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Manors of Mithaniel, New Halas Posts: 3,480	What's the layout underneath that room look like? Does the room underneath cover the entirety of that main room? If not, does it only cover the one gear that doesn't disappear and not the two that do? What I've seen happen before is that an item that has no zone geometry beneath it can get moved off into a corner of the zone when the zone reloads. Don't ask me why it does it, I've just seen it happen (try sticking a porter over a hole in the world in CL in a CL guild hall -- oops the porter is now miles away up in the air on next reload). As others have said, you may need to either continue moving them up (-0.9, then -0.8, etc.) until they behave. Ultimately you may have to raise your floor or design around somewhat taller gears.

08-02-2010, 02:33 PM	#10
Chalulla Server: Unrest Guild: Shoukin Rank: Inactive Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 48	The room is in the FP T1 guild hall. If you are familiar with them, its the one room in the back on the first floor. All I did was place corrugated floor tiles down, then placed the overworked rhodium gear on the floor and sank it down into the floor. It's pretty straight forward. I just don't get why one is behaving and the other 2 aren't. You would think if it was a problem with the height it would affect all 3 lol.

08-02-2010, 02:37 PM	#12
Jesdyr Server: Unrest Guild: Curmudgeons Rank: Senior Officer Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,710	Chalulla@Najena wrote: I just don't get why one is behaving and the other 2 aren't. You would think if it was a problem with the height it would affect all 3 lol. You would think so .. but if there is one thing I have learned in all my playing with layouts it is that sometimes things just dont make sense. Flip the gears (+/- 180 pitch or roll) and adjust the height. It should fix the issue.