On chain mail bikinis ;)

[adolf102]

Well this topics has been grinded to no end but since it's worth purusing there we go.

Screenshot from upcoming MMO Tera:

http://www.terablah.com/forums/arti...creenshots.html

Sex sells (that's a revelation haha) Throw in some of such outfits to Everquest even by micro transactions and see how it will work for you financially!

Have a good weekend everyone!

[Rick777]

TERA looks incredible, I'm going to give that game a long and hard look as my new MMO. 

[Cynith]

Wow! I looked at the entire slide show of that armor and even the mail armor - absolutely incredible - I don't have time for another MMO so I REALLY wish we had that sort of quality armor in this game . . . **sniffles**

[Caelen]

Glad to see the gaming industry has moved past the idea that males are the armored badasses and females are there to be the eye candy.

In all honesty, though, I think it's due time to make "sexy" an equal term for both genders. It's really tiresome seeing awesome armor look completely different when worn by opposite sexes. If people are so intent on seeing some pixelated skin, let's make sure it isn't just the ladies that are made to show it. Lord knows I'd be all for it!

[Cynith]

Caelen@Lucan DLere wrote:

In all honesty, though, I think it's due time to make "sexy" an equal term for both genders. It's really tiresome seeing awesome armor look completely different when worn by opposite sexes. If people are so intent on seeing some pixelated skin, let's make sure it isn't just the ladies that are made to show it. Lord knows I'd be all for it!

+1

[Finora]

Cynith@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Caelen@Lucan DLere wrote:

In all honesty, though, I think it's due time to make "sexy" an equal term for both genders. It's really tiresome seeing awesome armor look completely different when worn by opposite sexes. If people are so intent on seeing some pixelated skin, let's make sure it isn't just the ladies that are made to show it. Lord knows I'd be all for it!

+1

Here here. Like the formal wear from the Eq2 merchants, and gis. They show skin on both sexes and all races. That's how ALL the revealing armor should be. Not like ...well most games out there, where it's just the females.

[Armawk]

EVERY time a new game comes out we get this.. then when its launched everyone is 'oh no why doesnt it look awesome?)

"These are experimental and not 100% accurate, but should give a good indication of the armor style."

Yeah. concept renders.

[Arbreth]

Yikes that model looks awful - her head is too small, her hands too large, the ears are just weird, and how her hips and knees are turned make me concerned for her ability to walk, and yegads her feet must hurt.

Then I looked at the armor - tis actually a nice concept (ok, calling it armor is stretching the truth)

[Iskandar]

shaunfletcher wrote:

EVERY time a new game comes out we get this.. then when its launched everyone is 'oh no why doesnt it look awesome?)

"These are experimental and not 100% accurate, but should give a good indication of the armor style."

Yeah. concept renders.

Yeah, I remember the original EQ2 concept images -- there was one of a Kerran Ranger crouched by a pond wearing a rich green chain with elaborate gold trim (the same style as Antonia's outfit) that still to this day makes me say I WANT THAT!   But it was only concept art and never made it to production

I remember the concept art for Aion looked amazing too... and when I first saw the game on a friend's machine I asked "What game is that?" because it didn't look ANYTHING like the art I had seen.

[MurFalad]

adolf102 wrote:

Sex sells (that's a revelation haha) Throw in some of such outfits to Everquest even by micro transactions and see how it will work for you financially!

Have a good weekend everyone!

Well thanks, I'll know to avoid this upcoming MMO   I'm guesing here that as well as the scantily clad females (that's supposed to be leather armour, the chainmail version is even more of a joke!) they don't have any real non-human races too? (I don't class add on Spock ears as non-human)  because that's another hall mark of these Asian MMOs.

Sex sure does sell, but I have to ask, why subscribe to an MMO when I can surf much dirtier filth on the internet for free?

And if I'm really after sex, is looking at a computer screen really the best place to find it?

Seriously, I want to see a truly imaginative and believable world I can take part in and interact with when I fire up a MMO, its a bit weird when everyone is wearing clothing that looks like its only useable in a bedroom.

[Birna]

Caelen@Lucan DLere wrote:

Glad to see the gaming industry has moved past the idea that males are the armored badasses and females are there to be the eye candy.

In all honesty, though, I think it's due time to make "sexy" an equal term for both genders. It's really tiresome seeing awesome armor look completely different when worn by opposite sexes. If people are so intent on seeing some pixelated skin, let's make sure it isn't just the ladies that are made to show it. Lord knows I'd be all for it!

Hear, hear! I've said this for many years. The gaming industry seem to think only guys play games. If they insist on toons showing skin, then I demand to see some nice male sixpacks and chests!

[Eritius]

Its a common misconception that only guys want to see sexy looking girl characters. I would dare say that its the female gaming population that beats this by a slight margain. A guy is going to look at something like that, aprove, and move along. At best he might play it as a character, but then get bored with it. Thats the hard fact there, they're more then likely to go back to a 'cool' or 'badass' looking character then stick with some cutesy chick toon (unless its an anime fanboi).

Girls on the other hand are more likely to roll such a character and stick with it. Watching it improve and so on (ya know, normal character development, leveling, gearing, ect.). This isn't to say they don't like the 'cool' and 'badass' themselves (many do in fact). But they are more likely to have an attention span to keep it going.

I will agree that I'm not much into armor looking different on both genders. That seems a bit unrealistic. Yeah I know its fantasy, but even in fantasy you have a suspension of disbelief going on here. Make the normal armor (the stuff with stats on it) look normal. Let the chain mail bikinis, skimpy plate, leathers, and all that be apperance slot. But lets be fair... if you get your mail bikinis, I want my formal suits and hats lol. In WoW we had ways to dress to impress, and I wouldn't mind seeing more of that here.

I'm not all into the skimpy armor, but I don't mind there being a variety either. More ways to make characters look different from one another is always a good thing.

[CorpseGoddess]

Taemien@Lucan DLere wrote:

Its a common misconception that only guys want to see sexy looking girl characters. I would dare say that its the female gaming population that beats this by a slight margain. A guy is going to look at something like that, aprove, and move along. At best he might play it as a character, but then get bored with it. Thats the hard fact there, they're more then likely to go back to a 'cool' or 'badass' looking character then stick with some cutesy chick toon (unless its an anime fanboi).

Girls on the other hand are more likely to roll such a character and stick with it. Watching it improve and so on (ya know, normal character development, leveling, gearing, ect.). This isn't to say they don't like the 'cool' and 'badass' themselves (many do in fact). But they are more likely to have an attention span to keep it going.

I will agree that I'm not much into armor looking different on both genders. That seems a bit unrealistic. Yeah I know its fantasy, but even in fantasy you have a suspension of disbelief going on here. Make the normal armor (the stuff with stats on it) look normal. Let the chain mail bikinis, skimpy plate, leathers, and all that be apperance slot. But lets be fair... if you get your mail bikinis, I want my formal suits and hats lol. In WoW we had ways to dress to impress, and I wouldn't mind seeing more of that here.

I'm not all into the skimpy armor, but I don't mind there being a variety either. More ways to make characters look different from one another is always a good thing.

Agreed.  I'm a 38-year-old woman and I WANT skimpy chain mail bikinis, thank you.  I want my fantasy toon to look like a Frazetta painting!  Bring it on!

[Birna]

"Agreed.  I'm a 38-year-old woman and I WANT skimpy chain mail bikinis, thank you.  I want my fantasy toon to look like a Frazetta painting!  Bring it on!"

To be honest, I'm not at all happy about the skimpy armors on women (or fantasy painters like Frazetta) I think they look silly and unrealistic. Even if it is fantasy, I still want a certain degree of realism and no woman would go to war in those armors or clothing. Armors, robes whatever, can be made to look sexy without looking totally silly and unrealistic. Like this robe from Dragon Age:

(in my opinion this looks far more sexy than the silly outfit from Tera)

I'm not a prude, but I would never play a game where I was made to run around half-naked all the time

[Caelen]

Birna wrote:

(in my opinion this looks far more sexy than the silly outfit from Tera)

I'm not a prude, but I would never play a game where I was made to run around half-naked all the time

See, that armor, in my opinion, is more sexy and awesome than any "chainmail bikini" could ever hope to be. Sexy does not have to equal skimpy. If I could see more stuff like that I'd be a happy gamer, and I'm sure all my female friends would be more inclined to step into these kinds of games.

[Kamimura]

I wouldn't mind seeing more revealing clothes (for women and men), and a lot more variety in our armor in general. And the nice thing? Thanks to appearance slots, no one really has to wear anything they don't like.

Birna wrote:

. Like this robe from Dragon Age:

I'd love to be able to wear something like that.

[LordFyre]

Streppoch@Guk wrote:

Agreed.  I'm a 38-year-old woman and I WANT skimpy chain mail bikinis, thank you.  I want my fantasy toon to look like a Frazetta painting!  Bring it on!

Actually, there are already several "costumes" in game that might be along the lines of what you are looking for.  I know I wish the SOE artists would develop for these player use:

• The red mini-dress used by the Lamias in the Enchanted Lands?
• The vine wrapping that the dryads of the Enchanted Lands (and Oakmyst Forest in Qeynos) "wear"?
• The pale blue bodysuit worn by the valkyries in Everfrost?
• The cloth/leather mesh tunic-cape combo worn by the female vampires in the Bloodline Chronicles?
• The outfit worn by the female characters that populate the Maj'Dul?
• The Brokenskull Pirate Wench costume worn by some of the female trolls found in Kunark?

I know that SOE has said that these are not costumes but that they are part of the character models, but since they are already part of the world, why will they not develop them for Player Character use? 

Birna wrote:

I'm not a prude, but I would never play a game where I was made to run around half-naked all the time

Then do not worry.  One of the beauties of the appearance slots is that your character would never be "made to run around half-naked all the time." 

Only if (and when) you wanted her to. 

[Morghus]

LordFyre wrote:

Streppoch@Guk wrote:

Agreed.  I'm a 38-year-old woman and I WANT skimpy chain mail bikinis, thank you.  I want my fantasy toon to look like a Frazetta painting!  Bring it on!

Actually, there are already several "costumes" in game that might be along the lines of what you are looking for.  I know I wish the SOE artists would develop for these player use:

• The red mini-dress used by the Lamias in the Enchanted Lands?
• The vine wrapping that the dryads of the Enchanted Lands (and Oakmyst Forest in Qeynos) "wear"?
• The pale blue bodysuit worn by the valkyries in Everfrost?
• The cloth/leather mesh tunic-cape combo worn by the female vampires in the Bloodline Chronicles?
• The outfit worn by the female characters that populate the Maj'Dul?
• The Brokenskull Pirate Wench costume worn by some of the female trolls found in Kunark?

I know that SOE has said that these are not costumes but that they are part of the character models, but since they are already part of the world, why will they not develop them for Player Character use? 

The answer to that has actually been made plain by what the devs have said. The way in which armor and clothes are made in the game is like many other developer side aspects of the game, incredibly convulated and time consuming in a way that can only make the playerbase boggle at how inefficient it is.

If my understanding is correct, generally armor has to be made, dissected, and re-fit onto every single player race and sex. The work to make one entirely new armor appearance would actually equivalent to making 38 new armor appearances if every race is considered truly unique in modeling standards.

[Gladiolus]

That's fine if you want to look like something that should be parading around street corners under a red light. Some of us would like to see clothing that is attractive but respectable.

[LordFyre]

Gladiolus wrote:

That's fine if you want to look like something that should be parading around street corners under a red light. Some of us would like to see clothing that is attractive but respectable.

Before you get too much of a self-rightious steam going, an MMO is a shared reality. 

No one is going to force you to dress your character in a way that you disapprove of, but you have no business deciding what someone else will dress her (or his) heroine like. 

[LordFyre]

Morghus wrote:

The answer to that has actually been made plain by what the devs have said. The way in which armor and clothes are made in the game is like many other developer side aspects of the game, incredibly convulated and time consuming in a way that can only make the playerbase boggle at how inefficient it is.

If my understanding is correct, generally armor has to be made, dissected, and re-fit onto every single player race and sex. The work to make one entirely new armor appearance would actually equivalent to making 38 new armor appearances if every race is considered truly unique in modeling standards.

Did the original EQ2 team design the game to fail?  Why make this so "incredibly convulation and time consuming" in the first place?

[Eritius]

LordFyre wrote:

Morghus wrote:

The answer to that has actually been made plain by what the devs have said. The way in which armor and clothes are made in the game is like many other developer side aspects of the game, incredibly convulated and time consuming in a way that can only make the playerbase boggle at how inefficient it is.

If my understanding is correct, generally armor has to be made, dissected, and re-fit onto every single player race and sex. The work to make one entirely new armor appearance would actually equivalent to making 38 new armor appearances if every race is considered truly unique in modeling standards.

Did the original EQ2 team design the game to fail?  Why make this so "incredibly convulation and time consuming" in the first place?

I'm not quite sure where the idea of clothing is hard on a character model unless the original Devs of EQ2 made it that hard.

If you look at other MMOs, players are even able to manipulate client side files to add new clothes in. Of course these changes will not work on a live version of those games.

Another thing to consider is take a look at this Crysis Mod: http://www.mechlivinglegends.net/

The developers of MechWarrior Living Legends do a fine job with 3d modeling and rendering and have provided some outstandingly detailed models and landscapes that the original game just did not have. Further more they recieve no payment for their work as it is only a mod. Though being "only a mod" is the reason why I bought Crysis.

Does it take time for the art team to add stuff in? Sure does, but is it as bad as some people say it is? I don't think so. But what I do know is they have priorities. If an expansion is in the works, we won't see much added until that expansion. Which to me is a shame that could be the only incentive. Blizzard likes to add stuff because they think it would be cool to do and their artists are told to have at it. I don't know if SoE has the same idea, I know the artists here would probably like to do the same thing, but are they allowed that freedom or have the time? This isn't known.

[Cyliena]

I'd love to see more outfits in the game. Revealing or not are both ok for me. :D

I've always been a fan of the outfits on characters for Icewind Dale. Here's a good example (linking to pic since it's pretty large). Here's another one with the rest of that first set. :)

edit: I also would love to have the outfit that the Safar of Maj'Dul (found in QH and EFP) wears!

[EtoilePirate]

Streppoch@Guk wrote:

Taemien@Lucan DLere wrote:

Its a common misconception that only guys want to see sexy looking girl characters. I would dare say that its the female gaming population that beats this by a slight margain. A guy is going to look at something like that, aprove, and move along. At best he might play it as a character, but then get bored with it. Thats the hard fact there, they're more then likely to go back to a 'cool' or 'badass' looking character then stick with some cutesy chick toon (unless its an anime fanboi).

Girls on the other hand are more likely to roll such a character and stick with it. Watching it improve and so on (ya know, normal character development, leveling, gearing, ect.). This isn't to say they don't like the 'cool' and 'badass' themselves (many do in fact). But they are more likely to have an attention span to keep it going.

I will agree that I'm not much into armor looking different on both genders. That seems a bit unrealistic. Yeah I know its fantasy, but even in fantasy you have a suspension of disbelief going on here. Make the normal armor (the stuff with stats on it) look normal. Let the chain mail bikinis, skimpy plate, leathers, and all that be apperance slot. But lets be fair... if you get your mail bikinis, I want my formal suits and hats lol. In WoW we had ways to dress to impress, and I wouldn't mind seeing more of that here.

I'm not all into the skimpy armor, but I don't mind there being a variety either. More ways to make characters look different from one another is always a good thing.

Agreed.  I'm a 38-year-old woman and I WANT skimpy chain mail bikinis, thank you.  I want my fantasy toon to look like a Frazetta painting!  Bring it on!

Whereas I, a 30-ish female gamer, in part stuck with EQ2 back at the beginning because my assassin's armor actually covered her body!  Finding that a breastplate actually covered the chest, no matter who I put it on, was seriously one of my early motivations for signing up for a sub.  (I initially had a toon on a boyfriend's account, back in late '04.)

Given the choice of appearance slots, I see no reason for equal-opportunity unprotected-looking adventurers, but I hate hate hate hate HATE when armor changes its appearance drastically just by being equipped on a female.

[Jrral]

LordFyre wrote:

Did the original EQ2 team design the game to fail?  Why make this so "incredibly convulation and time consuming" in the first place?

Actually it was a sensible design decision given what they originally wanted. It let them tailor armor closely to races and genders, so Froglok (highly non-human skeleton) armor could look and fit as good as human armor. That of course came at a cost, it made creating entirely new armor models hard. But the idea was you wouldn't have a huge variety of armor models, you'd create some good-looking realistic armor early on and that'd be suitable for re-use with just variation in coloring (which was easy).

But things didn't go exactly as planned. People like the realistic appearance of EQ2 armor, but they want more variety in armor models and they want kinds of armor that weren't originally designed. So now that original design decision doesn't mesh with how the players and the devs would like things to go, but we're stuck with it until the coders can change the underlying engine components (and coder time's a lot harder to come by than content dev (artwork, quest stories, etc.) time).

It's the same thing that happened with the fast-single-core design of the game's engine: it made sense at the time, pity the world changed course shortly thereafter.

[Birna]

LordFyre wrote:

Birna wrote:

I'm not a prude, but I would never play a game where I was made to run around half-naked all the time

Then do not worry.  One of the beauties of the appearance slots is that your character would never be "made to run around half-naked all the time." 

Only if (and when) you wanted her to. 

I was refering to the game Tera the OP is posting about, where there seem to be no other armour styles for the females than that silly skimpy one. (there are other games like that one)

For now there aren't any (IMO) good choices for cloth wearers in EQ2 that look good. The best I have found is the tranquil sackcloth one (and a few other similar ones with non-clowny colors)

I'm not very happy about the cut of the robes in this game, they make the females look like a sack of potatoes. So for fluff my mages have a choice between a couple of jumpsuits. The social clothing (which is basically 2 types of dresses with umpteen colorchoices) make us look like we belong in the Red Light district.

I want good looking robes like that one I posted from Dragon Age or something similar. They are sexy and don't make us look like tarts (or just downright silly)

[LordFyre]

EtoilePirate wrote:

Whereas I, a 30-ish female gamer, in part stuck with EQ2 back at the beginning because my assassin's armor actually covered her body!  Finding that a breastplate actually covered the chest, no matter who I put it on, was seriously one of my early motivations for signing up for a sub.  (I initially had a toon on a boyfriend's account, back in late '04.)

Given the choice of appearance slots, I see no reason for equal-opportunity unprotected-looking adventurers, but I hate hate hate hate HATE when armor changes its appearance drastically just by being equipped on a female.

You mean like? 

[Laiina]

Just prior to DAOC coming out, one of it's main "selling" (?) points was ladies running around nearly naked.

That did not save the game from a totally failed combat system, however.

Somehow cloth-using mage type girls seem at least somewhat appropriate in hot looking gowns, but I don't want my Troubador running around half naked in see-through chain.

[Caelen]

LordFyre wrote:

You mean like? 

Haha, I love that one. Always gets a giggle out of me.

[Rijacki]

I'd like more OPTIONS, especially for a cloth restricted class. I want the OPTION to dress more "skimpy" or less. I want the OPTION for more looks other than an all encompassing robe in 2 styles (with several texture overlays in various re-colours). I want the to have as many OPTIONS for "clothing" as plate unrestricted classes. I also want more OPTIONS to mix and match tops and bottoms and sleeves for a wider variety of "looks".

Additionally, I would think that robes (which in the devs' minds are the only garment a mage class would ever want/need to wear) for 6 classes would have as many styles as gis for 2. But there are 4 or 5 unique gi styles and only 2 robe styles. Sure, there is the excuse that 24 classes can wear robes while only 18 classes can wear gi.. oh wait.. that's still fewer for the gi which has more styles than the robe.