adorning fragments too scarce?

[Froaknstein]

as was the case with t8 i am seeing the same thing in t9 i have way more infusions and powders then i have fragments.  could we get a reverse combine where we make 5x of the lower ingredients like 1 powder makes 5 fragments?  or make it so when you do a pristine combine you only use half of the fragments (3 instead of 6) on all combines not just when making treasured adornments.

aside from adepts from what im seeing is treasured only drops from solo named and from completing solo quests.  i have yet to see trash mobs drop treasured trash gear.  in t8 any mob could drop trash treasured gear and i still had a huge shortage of fragments.  if there is less treasured gear in t9 this is going to be much worse.

i leveled 2 chars to 90, taking my time did all the quests and muted everything i didnt equip.  after making t9 adornments for both these chars i have 11 fragments, 82 powders, 6 infusions left over.   the only way i can see to build up my fragments again is to level another char, farm named(yea right) or kill trash mobs for twice as long hoping for a few adepts.

anyone else seeing the same trend?

[Deveryn]

I've been building up a supply for when I finally decide to level adorning. In almost every tier, including 9, I have more than twice as many frags as I have powders.

[Striking2]

No, I get 3-4 frags per powder. 

[Deson]

Deveryn wrote:

I've been building up a supply for when I finally decide to level adorning. In almost every tier, including 9, I have more than twice as many frags as I have powders.

No point to level it as yet. I'd personally have done it making manas and adornments to sell but instead upconverted my huge t6 stash of powders and frags so I'm capped and waiting.

[Froaknstein]

even 3-4 frags per powder is not enough, treasured adorns eat up 3 fragments, if you make pristine, legendary and fabled adorns eat up 6 frags per combine.  you need at least a 5 frags to 1 powder rate

[Meirril]

Froaknstein@Najena wrote:

as was the case with t8 i am seeing the same thing in t9 i have way more infusions and powders then i have fragments.  could we get a reverse combine where we make 5x of the lower ingredients like 1 powder makes 5 fragments?  or make it so when you do a pristine combine you only use half of the fragments (3 instead of 6) on all combines not just when making treasured adornments.

aside from adepts from what im seeing is treasured only drops from solo named and from completing solo quests.  i have yet to see trash mobs drop treasured trash gear.  in t8 any mob could drop trash treasured gear and i still had a huge shortage of fragments.  if there is less treasured gear in t9 this is going to be much worse.

i leveled 2 chars to 90, taking my time did all the quests and muted everything i didnt equip.  after making t9 adornments for both these chars i have 11 fragments, 82 powders, 6 infusions left over.   the only way i can see to build up my fragments again is to level another char, farm named(yea right) or kill trash mobs for twice as long hoping for a few adepts.

anyone else seeing the same trend?

So up-convert some of your powder to infusions, and infusion to mana and your problem is solved.

[Froaknstein]

Meirril wrote:

So up-convert some of your powder to infusions, and infusion to mana and your problem is solved.

so we have the ability to upconvert, why cant we have the option to down-convert?  this changes nothing as fragments are still more scarce then they were in t8 - so instead of being able to make 10 adornments for myself i am restricted to up-converting and making 1 adornment because i dont have enough of the "common" ingredient.

[vinere]

Froaknstein@Najena wrote:

Meirril wrote:

So up-convert some of your powder to infusions, and infusion to mana and your problem is solved.

so we have the ability to upconvert, why cant we have the option to down-convert?  this changes nothing as fragments are still more scarce then they were in t8 - so instead of being able to make 10 adornments for myself i am restricted to up-converting and making 1 adornment because i dont have enough of the "common" ingredient.

I argued for this in beta... Tried to get it so you could down convert at a 1 to 5 ratio, since up convert was 1 to 10.  But the Devs didnt want to do it, they thought it would be balanced.  I tried to argue that the amount of fragments needed for each combine was significantly higher then powerders, or infusions ect, and at least in my case, i tend to get more lego stuff to mute then treasured, since i dont solo a lot which compounds the problem.

[Froaknstein]

vinere wrote:

I argued for this in beta... Tried to get it so you could down convert at a 1 to 5 ratio, since up convert was 1 to 10.  But the Devs didnt want to do it, they thought it would be balanced.  I tried to argue that the amount of fragments needed for each combine was significantly higher then powerders, or infusions ect, and at least in my case, i tend to get more lego stuff to mute then treasured, since i dont solo a lot which compounds the problem.

exactly, the 1 biggest problem i have is that trash mobs in t9 dont drop treasured trash gear, atm the only way we can get fragments is to farm solo named, or farm trash for adepts only - and after about 4 hour of questing i have maybe 3-5 adepts on me.  how is this balanced.  the solution they are putting in our hands is that.... if you dont have enough of the "common" ingredient upconvert alot of the more rare ingredients into 1 so you can make 1 adornment.

bottom line there is not enough treasured drops in this expansion..... 

[Seidhkona]

I think all these complaints are nuts, TBH.

I've been casually questing since the expansion came out, with my AA slider at 50%. I have gotten a normal number of treasured chests from trash mobs, especially when doing city writs. I have pretty much crushed everything, including quest rewards.

My adventure level is now 83, and I have 18 Void Powder and 53 Underfoot Fragments, which is about a 1:3 ratio.

This seems like what I would expect from breaking treasured stuff and Adept books.

I fail to see what you are griping about.

[Froaknstein]

Sigrdrifa@Lucan DLere wrote:

This seems like what I would expect from breaking treasured stuff and Adept books.

now factor in the flood of legendary being broken down from instances, and fabled.  and what happens when you are done leveling, are you going to actively farm treasured at a 6-1 ratio being used with a 3-1 ratio actually muting them.  im saying there is not enough treasured items dropping in the game to support the new adornment system.  i have not seen 1 - not 1 - treasured garbage gear drop off trash mobs like they did in t8 aka skyfire sabatons which had garbage for stats.  we only have adept 1s dropping and treasured gear from solo named.

to make 10 treasured adorns you need:

30 fragments - 10 powders

to make 10 legendary adorns you need:

60 fragments - 10 powders - 10 infusions

to make 10 fabled adorns you need:

60 fragments - 30 powders - 10 infusions - 10 mana

most people dont even bother with treasured adorns - only exception is the 1 or 2 that you only have the option of making treasured or fabled adorn. so we need a ratio closer to 1 powder - 5 fragments.  either add a down-combine recipe, allow treasured and everything up to give fragments, or always give fragments + what they would normally give.  like legendary always give 3 fragments + powder and chance at infusion etc.

[Seidhkona]

Froaknstein@Najena wrote:

im saying there is not enough treasured items dropping in the game to support the new adornment system.  i have not seen 1 - not 1 - treasured garbage gear drop off trash mobs like they did in t8 aka skyfire sabatons which had garbage for stats.  we only have adept 1s dropping and treasured gear from solo named.

What I am saying is that I completely disagree with your premise about how often treasured chests drop from trash mobs. I am an 83 paladin/86 armorer dressed in T2 shard gear. Just this morning:

• Did the Kerran Isle "Feed the Tigers" daily, got one treasured chest for 7 cockatrices killed. Chest contained an Adept spell.
• Did the writ "Qeynos: Little Sparkling", got a treasured chest and a small chest from the wisps, plus a treasured from a toxic goiter that wandered into the fight. Treasured chest had a priest earring thing, small chest had a recipe book.
• Killed Ghazi the Conqueror, because he happened to be up when I passed through Quel'ule. Treasured box with Band of the Onset. He repops every few minutes. Conceivably one could farm him till the cows come home.
• Did the writ "Kelethin: The Time To Vine Is Now" and while AOE-ing a bunch of bristlevine horrors and root glimmers got another treasured chest containing an Adept.

And, since people are always griping about the number of rares while harvesting, just harvesting a little as I quested, I netted 2 eucalyptus lumber, a kaborite cluster, 4 brellium ore, and 2 toxnettle roots.

[Froaknstein]

Sigrdrifa@Lucan DLere wrote:

Froaknstein@Najena wrote:

im saying there is not enough treasured items dropping in the game to support the new adornment system.  i have not seen 1 - not 1 - treasured garbage gear drop off trash mobs like they did in t8 aka skyfire sabatons which had garbage for stats.  we only have adept 1s dropping and treasured gear from solo named.

What I am saying is that I completely disagree with your premise about how often treasured chests drop from trash mobs. I am an 83 paladin/86 armorer dressed in T2 shard gear. Just this morning:

• Did the Kerran Isle "Feed the Tigers" daily, got one treasured chest for 7 cockatrices killed. Chest contained an Adept spell.
• Did the writ "Qeynos: Little Sparkling", got a treasured chest and a small chest from the wisps, plus a treasured from a toxic goiter that wandered into the fight. Treasured chest had a priest earring thing, small chest had a recipe book.
• Killed Ghazi the Conqueror, because he happened to be up when I passed through Quel'ule. Treasured box with Band of the Onset. He repops every few minutes. Conceivably one could farm him till the cows come home.
• Did the writ "Kelethin: The Time To Vine Is Now" and while AOE-ing a bunch of bristlevine horrors and root glimmers got another treasured chest containing an Adept.

And, since people are always griping about the number of rares while harvesting, just harvesting a little as I quested, I netted 2 eucalyptus lumber, a kaborite cluster, 4 brellium ore, and 2 toxnettle roots.

if you are going to argue a point you need more then... i killed 7 mobs and got an adept, i pulled a group of mob and got a treasured.  i just spent the last hour farming 342 trash mobs (didnt kill 1 named as i never found 1 up) trying to get anything treasured to make more adornments. i killed everything i saw roaming across toxx forrest including wisps and toxic goiters.  again i didnt get 1 - not 1 - piece of treasured gear.  nothing.  no jewlery, no armor, no weapons.  only adepts, and i got 9 adepts and 7 recipes.  that about 1 adept per 38 mobs killed. not a great ratio in my book.  i wasnt talking about a days worth of farming, as i said i leveled 2 chars all the way to 90 doing every quest i could + a few instance runs, which btw seemed to drop 4-5 adepts each run thats less then 1 per person per run.  anything that was not currently equiped on my chars was transmuted - this included every quest reward.

sure you could go farm ghazi all day, considering he is a quest update as well not to mention there is never more then 1 instance of stonebrunt on my server.  there is less than 30 solo names among the 2 overland zones and with their respawn timers good luck fighting off all the other transmuters looking for treasured also as soon as the quest rewards dry up.

the adornment system has completely changed.  why would you not look at the aspect of gathering ingredients?  why would you lower the ammount of treasured items in the new tier?  you are not looking at the whole picture:

• ouuu i can use fancy bullets too
• adepts, along with garbage treasued gear had the chance to drop off any trash mob in t8
• the fabled tag was everywhere so fabled was set at raid/rare group drops - legendary was set to standard group loot/rarely solo quests and treasured is from solo quests and solo named.
• no named in any instance has dropped treasured gear yet that i have seen
• trash in instances drop 3-5 adepts a run while most instance have 3-5 named all guaranteed legendary gear

gear = anything equipable weather its worth wearing or not. 

oh, and btw - my first 2 hours of harvesting in the expansion i got 5 diamonds and a kaborite.  then for the next week i got 0 rares - and then anothr 4 kaborite in the same day.  thats the RNG for you.

[bks6721]

== edit.. misread OP

[infa]

I found my T9 fragment gain to be on par with other tiers. Nothing seemed that far off to be noticable, at least.

[Froaknstein]

no official word on this?  all domino would have to say is...  treasured drop rate is what we want it to be.... and i will shut up

[Seidhkona]

You keep emphasizing that word, "gear". You *ARE*aware that Adept books are treasured and can be transmuted, yes?

[Froaknstein]

yes, i emphasize gear because that is my point.   in t8 you had the chance for adepts + junk treasured "gear" to drop off any trash mob.  mobs in tso, and mobs in kunark all had the chance to drop treasured gear.  in t9, the only place to get treasured gear, is from solo named.  trash are not dropping it, solo or heroic - instance names are not dropping it.  so the only way to get treasured anything  in t9 is to farm adepts off trash mobs at a slow rate(effectivly cutting the rate of treasured anything off trash compared to t8 in half) or farm solo named for actual treasured gear. 

this is what i am so upset about, once people finish quests this will be the only means to get more fragments.  everyone will be competing for named in only 2 overland zones.

again "gear" as i am refering to it is anything that you can equip, weather you would use it or not.  jewlery, armor, weaps, etc.

[Qandor]

infa wrote:

I found my T9 fragment gain to be on par with other tiers. Nothing seemed that far off to be noticable, at least.

Seems fine to me also. Tons of adepts on broker and I can just mute those if am low on frags. Now if you are into the self sufficiency thing you may have a problem if you are making a lot of adornments but of course, you would have had the same problem other tiers as well. Price of tier 9 frags on broker is running about the same as it did in T8 and the price of adepts is about the same as well. I see no problem currently.

[Froaknstein]

i like to be self sufficent yes, if i can do it myself why pay someone else.  the problem is t9 is not like t8.  the availability of treasured drops after you have finished quests is slim.  you can only get adepts off trash mobs - no trash mobs in t9 are dropping treasured equipable gear like they were in t8.

[lollipop]

transmuters really need to be able to break down the muted items. Just like adorners can build them up.

(ie muter makes 1 powder into 10 frags) The same way an adorner can make 1 powder from 10 fragments.

[Deveryn]

Froaknstein@Najena wrote:

i like to be self sufficent yes, if i can do it myself why pay someone else.  the problem is t9 is not like t8.  the availability of treasured drops after you have finished quests is slim.  you can only get adepts off trash mobs - no trash mobs in t9 are dropping treasured equipable gear like they were in t8.

They do drop some gear, but it's very rare.

[Froaknstein]

more rare then masters?  i have had 2 masters drop off solo trash since the launch, but not 1 equipable treasured item.

[Froaknstein]

double post.....