Video Issue with SF

AhjilaFire · 02-25-2010, 05:12 PM

I have a ASUS Nvidia GTS8800 with Win 7 32 bit, and 4 gigs ram; I have, an almost, similar system runing Win XP with the same video card that does not have these issues. The video glitch I have is in the area just outside of Paineel where the elementals are found. They don't show up on my screen. I can tab target one, but they redner just under the ground, so far these are the only mobs that render this way. Also, the "flying" disk that use to travel to Kera Island, etc, does not render at all, and my characters just "run" in the air to the landing pads. I also don't see the housing areas were the NPC's have moved near the griffon towers in Butcher Block.

Albrig · 02-25-2010, 06:06 PM

AhjilaFire wrote:

I have a ASUS Nvidia GTS8800 with Win 7 32 bit, and 4 gigs ram; I have, an almost, similar system runing Win XP with the same video card that does not have these issues. The video glitch I have is in the area just outside of Paineel where the elementals are found. They don't show up on my screen. I can tab target one, but they redner just under the ground, so far these are the only mobs that render this way. Also, the "flying" disk that use to travel to Kera Island, etc, does not render at all, and my characters just "run" in the air to the landing pads. I also don't see the housing areas were the NPC's have moved near the griffon towers in Butcher Block.

It's highly likely that two systems do not share identical data - by that I mean that there is missing or corrupt data on your Win7 system that your XP otherwise has intact.

Backup that data on XP (copy the whole folder), overwrite the old data on your Win7 with the new (I assume you have an interconnecting network between the two).

See what happens.

I'm curious - have you attemped to copy data from one to another recently? Is one a station launcher and the other a normal launcher?

AhjilaFire · 02-25-2010, 07:08 PM

Albright wrote:

AhjilaFire wrote:
I have a ASUS Nvidia GTS8800 with Win 7 32 bit, and 4 gigs ram; I have, an almost, similar system runing Win XP with the same video card that does not have these issues. The video glitch I have is in the area just outside of Paineel where the elementals are found. They don't show up on my screen. I can tab target one, but they redner just under the ground, so far these are the only mobs that render this way. Also, the "flying" disk that use to travel to Kera Island, etc, does not render at all, and my characters just "run" in the air to the landing pads. I also don't see the housing areas were the NPC's have moved near the griffon towers in Butcher Block.
It's highly likely that two systems do not share identical data - by that I mean that there is missing or corrupt data on your Win7 system that your XP otherwise has intact.
Backup that data on XP (copy the whole folder), overwrite the old data on your Win7 with the new (I assume you have an interconnecting network between the two).
See what happens.
I'm curious - have you attemped to copy data from one to another recently? Is one a station launcher and the other a normal launcher?

That is what I did at first. I copied the XP data over to the 7 to save time on the downloads. I did this before SF came out. The 7 is a streaming station launcher, and the XP is the normal launcher. The noraml launcher just crashed so often under 7 that I just decided to try the streaming launch, and had success with it loading, but have notice some lag issues at time.

Albrig · 02-26-2010, 06:28 AM

Yeah I thought you did something like that. I did the exact same thing. It works for every other game in my 10 years, but not this one.

You're like me. We have loads of brains, but the interface we're using breaks under the strain.

OK. Here's what you have to do.

Smack your head against a wall.

Let's just wait for an SoE Dev. Besides saying we've got brains, they've got more than us.

I know. Shocking.

But I suspect that the Streaming data is different to the immediate download data. It puts it in different places. They are different sizes. The are linked to other bits of data as it streams, and when it doesn't. This affects a data block that you have just shunted into its realm and it thinks it doesn't need to download it when it should (or replace it).

This effect has the problem of thinking something has completed when it has not. The streaming client is, in other words, dumb (not the concept, I mean the process).

Albrig · 02-26-2010, 06:39 AM

I should mention that I had the same problem you have.

The quickest thing I did was use Valve's steam and download that.

Then the Station Laucher streams it over.

Before this, I did what you did; copy my TSO data over to it, THEN, let Steam SF initially create folders.

Paused the download.

Copied over TSO's data relevant to the PAK files (7.8Gb) and then resumed Steam. But I knew there was something odd going on.

So I then got the Steam client to verify check the data and it found 39 odd occurencies of the data I had dumped into it for it to check against its own data.

They are different.

I thought this very perculiar.

Right now. Right this very moment. I have re-downloaded Steam SF. Everything is fine. Without messing about using my brain and take the route of someone who turns on a PC and expects a cup of coffee on the desk at the same time without moving.

This process works. It actually works.

I lied about the coffee though.

AhjilaFire · 02-26-2010, 01:23 PM

Albright wrote:

Yeah I thought you did something like that. I did the exact same thing. It works for every other game in my 10 years, but not this one.
You're like me. We have loads of brains, but the interface we're using breaks under the strain.
OK. Here's what you have to do.
Smack your head against a wall.
Let's just wait for an SoE Dev. Besides saying we've got brains, they've got more than us.
I know. Shocking.
But I suspect that the Streaming data is different to the immediate download data. It puts it in different places. They are different sizes. The are linked to other bits of data as it streams, and when it doesn't. This affects a data block that you have just shunted into its realm and it thinks it doesn't need to download it when it should (or replace it).
This effect has the problem of thinking something has completed when it has not. The streaming client is, in other words, dumb (not the concept, I mean the process).

Good thinking. Here is what I decided to do...I uninstalled the game and the custom UI I was using completely. Rebooted and reinstalled using the new SF disk I had. Left for work while it was patching, so I will post an update on what happnes. The reason being for the reinstall is that I noticed that it was not just the elementals in SF that was having issues with the rendering, it was any elemental that was using that particular skin. So I think something got corrupted with the transfering of the data. No big issue to reinstall, just didn't want the down time. SMILEY

Albrig · 03-01-2010, 10:19 AM

The Streaming client I mention is just that. It will only 'patch' information to the client when entering an area the client does not currently have. I personally hate this method. Good idea, but not in practice.

I moved .paks not part of the SF Streaming client - it thought they were the same. They aren't. But it didn't replace or update during patching.

The effect you now have is the Elemental texture (or effect). My problem was missing object and entity data when I zoned to new areas. Even though the streaming client was downloading these new areas, it was not updating essential entity differences (because they were already there, but in a different state); so it ignored them.

Maybe the Streaming client doesn't update existing expansion data prior to SF. At least, without bugs. I don't really know.

I doubt it's a UI/Add-on problem you have. But I don't really know since I don't use custom UI's or Add-ons.

Now that you have the SF DVD (or did you have it before, therefore negating a normal SF install, and relying on a 'transfer'?) it's plain sailing.

Unless you like BG and PvP - in which case, good luck.

AhjilaFire · 03-01-2010, 03:10 PM

Update: Unistalled the game, and reinstalled from the disks. Now everything works. Thanks for the help and suggestions, sometimes it helps to talk an issue out.

02-25-2010, 06:06 PM	#2
Albrig General Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 245	AhjilaFire wrote: I have a ASUS Nvidia GTS8800 with Win 7 32 bit, and 4 gigs ram; I have, an almost, similar system runing Win XP with the same video card that does not have these issues. The video glitch I have is in the area just outside of Paineel where the elementals are found. They don't show up on my screen. I can tab target one, but they redner just under the ground, so far these are the only mobs that render this way. Also, the "flying" disk that use to travel to Kera Island, etc, does not render at all, and my characters just "run" in the air to the landing pads. I also don't see the housing areas were the NPC's have moved near the griffon towers in Butcher Block. It's highly likely that two systems do not share identical data - by that I mean that there is missing or corrupt data on your Win7 system that your XP otherwise has intact. Backup that data on XP (copy the whole folder), overwrite the old data on your Win7 with the new (I assume you have an interconnecting network between the two). See what happens. I'm curious - have you attemped to copy data from one to another recently? Is one a station launcher and the other a normal launcher?

02-25-2010, 07:08 PM	#3
AhjilaFire Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 13	Albright wrote: AhjilaFire wrote: I have a ASUS Nvidia GTS8800 with Win 7 32 bit, and 4 gigs ram; I have, an almost, similar system runing Win XP with the same video card that does not have these issues. The video glitch I have is in the area just outside of Paineel where the elementals are found. They don't show up on my screen. I can tab target one, but they redner just under the ground, so far these are the only mobs that render this way. Also, the "flying" disk that use to travel to Kera Island, etc, does not render at all, and my characters just "run" in the air to the landing pads. I also don't see the housing areas were the NPC's have moved near the griffon towers in Butcher Block. It's highly likely that two systems do not share identical data - by that I mean that there is missing or corrupt data on your Win7 system that your XP otherwise has intact. Backup that data on XP (copy the whole folder), overwrite the old data on your Win7 with the new (I assume you have an interconnecting network between the two). See what happens. I'm curious - have you attemped to copy data from one to another recently? Is one a station launcher and the other a normal launcher? That is what I did at first. I copied the XP data over to the 7 to save time on the downloads. I did this before SF came out. The 7 is a streaming station launcher, and the XP is the normal launcher. The noraml launcher just crashed so often under 7 that I just decided to try the streaming launch, and had success with it loading, but have notice some lag issues at time.

02-26-2010, 01:23 PM	#6
AhjilaFire Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 13	Albright wrote: Yeah I thought you did something like that. I did the exact same thing. It works for every other game in my 10 years, but not this one. You're like me. We have loads of brains, but the interface we're using breaks under the strain. OK. Here's what you have to do. Smack your head against a wall. Let's just wait for an SoE Dev. Besides saying we've got brains, they've got more than us. I know. Shocking. But I suspect that the Streaming data is different to the immediate download data. It puts it in different places. They are different sizes. The are linked to other bits of data as it streams, and when it doesn't. This affects a data block that you have just shunted into its realm and it thinks it doesn't need to download it when it should (or replace it). This effect has the problem of thinking something has completed when it has not. The streaming client is, in other words, dumb (not the concept, I mean the process). Good thinking. Here is what I decided to do...I uninstalled the game and the custom UI I was using completely. Rebooted and reinstalled using the new SF disk I had. Left for work while it was patching, so I will post an update on what happnes. The reason being for the reinstall is that I noticed that it was not just the elementals in SF that was having issues with the rendering, it was any elemental that was using that particular skin. So I think something got corrupted with the transfering of the data. No big issue to reinstall, just didn't want the down time.

02-25-2010, 05:12 PM	#1
AhjilaFire Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 13	I have a ASUS Nvidia GTS8800 with Win 7 32 bit, and 4 gigs ram; I have, an almost, similar system runing Win XP with the same video card that does not have these issues. The video glitch I have is in the area just outside of Paineel where the elementals are found. They don't show up on my screen. I can tab target one, but they redner just under the ground, so far these are the only mobs that render this way. Also, the "flying" disk that use to travel to Kera Island, etc, does not render at all, and my characters just "run" in the air to the landing pads. I also don't see the housing areas were the NPC's have moved near the griffon towers in Butcher Block.

02-26-2010, 06:28 AM	#4
Albrig General Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 245	Yeah I thought you did something like that. I did the exact same thing. It works for every other game in my 10 years, but not this one. You're like me. We have loads of brains, but the interface we're using breaks under the strain. OK. Here's what you have to do. Smack your head against a wall. Let's just wait for an SoE Dev. Besides saying we've got brains, they've got more than us. I know. Shocking. But I suspect that the Streaming data is different to the immediate download data. It puts it in different places. They are different sizes. The are linked to other bits of data as it streams, and when it doesn't. This affects a data block that you have just shunted into its realm and it thinks it doesn't need to download it when it should (or replace it). This effect has the problem of thinking something has completed when it has not. The streaming client is, in other words, dumb (not the concept, I mean the process).

02-26-2010, 06:39 AM	#5
Albrig General Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 245	I should mention that I had the same problem you have. The quickest thing I did was use Valve's steam and download that. Then the Station Laucher streams it over. Before this, I did what you did; copy my TSO data over to it, THEN, let Steam SF initially create folders. Paused the download. Copied over TSO's data relevant to the PAK files (7.8Gb) and then resumed Steam. But I knew there was something odd going on. So I then got the Steam client to verify check the data and it found 39 odd occurencies of the data I had dumped into it for it to check against its own data. They are different. I thought this very perculiar. Right now. Right this very moment. I have re-downloaded Steam SF. Everything is fine. Without messing about using my brain and take the route of someone who turns on a PC and expects a cup of coffee on the desk at the same time without moving. This process works. It actually works. I lied about the coffee though.

03-01-2010, 10:19 AM	#7
Albrig General Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 245	The Streaming client I mention is just that. It will only 'patch' information to the client when entering an area the client does not currently have. I personally hate this method. Good idea, but not in practice. I moved .paks not part of the SF Streaming client - it thought they were the same. They aren't. But it didn't replace or update during patching. The effect you now have is the Elemental texture (or effect). My problem was missing object and entity data when I zoned to new areas. Even though the streaming client was downloading these new areas, it was not updating essential entity differences (because they were already there, but in a different state); so it ignored them. Maybe the Streaming client doesn't update existing expansion data prior to SF. At least, without bugs. I don't really know. I doubt it's a UI/Add-on problem you have. But I don't really know since I don't use custom UI's or Add-ons. Now that you have the SF DVD (or did you have it before, therefore negating a normal SF install, and relying on a 'transfer'?) it's plain sailing. Unless you like BG and PvP - in which case, good luck.

03-01-2010, 03:10 PM	#8
AhjilaFire Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 13	Update: Unistalled the game, and reinstalled from the disks. Now everything works. Thanks for the help and suggestions, sometimes it helps to talk an issue out.