Battlegrounds Equipment - Wearable outside of BGs for PVE?

[Blxckheart]

Will the battlegrounds token gear be able to be worn for PVE outside of the battlegrounds?  

[Snosael]

i believe so, however, there may not be crit mit on it so pve is gonna be harder, and raid mobs might not be posible.

[Blxckheart]

But the jewelry is easily better than most of the fabled instance drops....

[thog_zork]

Blxckheart wrote:

But the jewelry is easily better than most of the fabled instance drops....

which should be changed at least on PvE-Servers

[Grobi]

plus i hear there is now resists on pvp gear wich makes it better for instances than the normal non resist gear we get outside from raids

[Shadus]

Yes, this needs nerfed immediately because alternate paths than raiding for high end gear is completely unacceptable.

[Dulissa]

Grobi wrote:

plus i hear there is now resists on pvp gear wich makes it better for instances than the normal non resist gear we get outside from raids

if this is true, tell us again that pvp doesn't effect the pve game....

[Golu]

Shadus wrote:

Yes, this needs nerfed immediately because alternate paths than raiding for high end gear is completely unacceptable.

While i agree some of the gear needs a nerf.. This additude of "raiding is the only way people should be able to gear up" is unnacceptable aswell.

[Lethe5683]

Blxckheart wrote:

Will the battlegrounds token gear be able to be worn for PVE outside of the battlegrounds?  

I think so, but the toughness stat won't do anything for PvE.

[Geothe]

Caeremos@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Shadus wrote:

Yes, this needs nerfed immediately because alternate paths than raiding for high end gear is completely unacceptable.

While i agree some of the gear needs a nerf.. This additude of "raiding is the only way people should be able to gear up" is unnacceptable aswell.

No, the attitude is "PvEing is the only way people should be able to gear up to PvP" and that is how it should be.PvP should not give rewards that have a significant impact on PvE (on PvE servers) in any way, shape, or form.

[Deathshe]

With the cost of the gear you won't have to worry about people running around in full sets of it for a very very long time :/

Last I checked it was 70-100 tokens for a piece. At 1-3 tokens every 20 minutes spent in the BG's...

((*edit)) And just to be clear, I'm for good gear from PvP, and against the outrageous cost.

[Lethe5683]

Geothe wrote:

No, the attitude is "PvEing is the only way people should be able to gear up to PvP" and that is how it should be.PvP should not give rewards that have a significant impact on PvE (on PvE servers) in any way, shape, or form.

And why should that be?

[timetravelling]

Grobi wrote:

plus i hear there is now resists on pvp gear wich makes it better for instances than the normal non resist gear we get outside from raids

None of the jewelry was affected, but:

Fabled BG and Open PvP armor received resists similar to fabled raid gear.

Tradeskilled BG armor received lesser resists

Additionally, I added resists to all heroic PvE armor as well.

jewelry will remain resist-less, but legendary+ armor should all have resists. It will give you a higher 'base' for your resists that can then be augmented with specific jewelry sets and adornments.

[hellfire]

BGs gear is not touching raid gear....so go raid and stop worring about it folks.

BGs gear is not even touching some pve heroric gear and vice verse.

Limiting ANY gear completly to one play style is stupid  so im glad its not being done.

With all that said cant wait for the BGs to be pushed to live.

[Lader]

timetravelling wrote:

Additionally, I added resists to all heroic PvE armor as well.

does this mean that all the crap we've seen dropping in SF zones that no one will use bc its worse than tso stuff (bc it has no resists) is actually going to have resists?!?! if so then youve definately made the right decision. If not, well, read the items forum to see how your players feel about it.

[DuneWarrior]

timetravelling wrote:

Additionally, I added resists to all heroic PvE armor as well.

jewelry will remain resist-less, but legendary+ armor should all have resists. It will give you a higher 'base' for your resists that can then be augmented with specific jewelry sets and adornments.

Does that pertain to PvE servers as well? Can we get a confirmation on that ?

[wickermanuk]

It is obvious that someone at SOE who is charge of the major decisions involving EQ2 and the direction it is going has decided that BG needs to be a big hit. I presume this is because WOW has BG therefore of course EQ2 has to follow suit.

It still blows my mind that they close down PVP servers due to lack of interest yet spend so much time on another essentially PVP based project. Logically that doesn't make much sense to me.

As for the gear, its just going to be a mess. Already SOE struggle so much with itemization, adding yet another level of gear and balancing that with Solo,Crafting,PVP,Raid and Heroic gear is going to be a big headache.

[Kkolbe]

wickermanuk wrote:

It is obvious that someone at SOE who is charge of the major decisions involving EQ2 and the direction it is going has decided that BG needs to be a big hit. I presume this is because WOW has BG therefore of course EQ2 has to follow suit.

It still blows my mind that they close down PVP servers due to lack of interest yet spend so much time on another essentially PVP based project. Logically that doesn't make much sense to me.

As for the gear, its just going to be a mess. Already SOE struggle so much with itemization, adding yet another level of gear and balancing that with Solo,Crafting,PVP,Raid and Heroic gear is going to be a big headache.

They didn't close down pvp server due to lack of interest,  they closed them down because every one transfered to the biggest server(Nagafen) so they could find more pvp, which left Venekor deserted(and all euro servers are low pop.)They offered free transfers a year before Venekor went down. Just like how some pve servers are very low pop because so many people join AB( the highgest pop. pve server.) I am sure they will be closing down some pve servers in the future, just  like they have done in the past, as i remeber half of the pve servers went down already. 

Furthermore, pvp was launched years after the game came out, so we didn't have any chance of getting that new player rush when the game came out. Factor in all this, and your statement is untrue(bolded statement)^^. Nagafen  and AB are the biggest servers in EQ2, come play on Nagafen and feel the lag in a lot of zones.

[timetravelling]

Zaktull@Najena wrote:

timetravelling wrote:

Additionally, I added resists to all heroic PvE armor as well.

jewelry will remain resist-less, but legendary+ armor should all have resists. It will give you a higher 'base' for your resists that can then be augmented with specific jewelry sets and adornments.

Does that pertain to PvE servers as well? Can we get a confirmation on that ?

Confirmed. The gear changes affect the gear--no matter what server you're on.

[Seolta]

BG gear takes way more time/effort to get than actual PVE gear which is BETTER for PVE as it is DESIGNED for PVE, so stop crying about it you haters. BG is live, get over it. Go shake your fists at the kids in your neighbors yard or go yell at the clouds or something and just drop the BG bashing kthx.

[kcirrot]

Seolta@Unrest wrote:

BG gear takes way more time/effort to get than actual PVE gear which is BETTER for PVE as it is DESIGNED for PVE, so stop crying about it you haters. BG is live, get over it. Go shake your fists at the kids in your neighbors yard or go yell at the clouds or something and just drop the BG bashing kthx.

This.  BG gear will appeal to some folks, but it won't stop anyone from advancing in PvE who doesn't want to participate in BG.  I wish folks would just play their own game and stop worrying about what other people do.

[Aanadorn68]

Caeremos@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Shadus wrote:

Yes, this needs nerfed immediately because alternate paths than raiding for high end gear is completely unacceptable.

While i agree some of the gear needs a nerf.. This additude of "raiding is the only way people should be able to gear up" is unnacceptable aswell.

It's completely acceptable for me, and in fact should be the ONLY way to gear up at the top tier.  It's a PVE server, there should be zone, zero, zilch advantage to any PVP in any way, shape or form.  It's already annoying that you get the best appearance armor out of BG.  But I'll be damned if we are forced to play BG to be able to raid.

[Elquinjena]

In WOW people play the battlegrounds there to earn points to buy better gear which they use when raiding and grouping.

it is one way a person can work  towards better gear outside of raiding.

I always think it is funny that most people say " if you want better gear, go raiding" yet if you do not have the gear needed, you are turned down from raid groups till you get geared up! I always thought of this as a catch 22.

A person goes raiding for a chance at better gear ( you rolling against others up to 23 other people..most times its 2-5 others for same piece) but if you don't have gear that will keep you alive during said raid, most groups don't want you along because you become a drag on the raid and may mean the differents between completing it or failing.

So all BG gear that you can get from the tokens and crafter made is only usable in BG. I don't see BG lasting that long if then, once people get geared up, people will not have the time to spend doing alot of BG while there is real usable gear to get through raiding and grouping.

[Sphiriah]

Elquinjena wrote:

In WOW people play the battlegrounds there to earn points to buy better gear which they use when raiding and grouping.

What? No. This is completely incorrect.

The currency you gain from Battlegrounds in WoW gets you armor that is designed for PvP. You can use it in PvE if you want, but you'd be a laughing stock. It's not meant to be used in PvE at all.

[Ahlana]

Sphiriah@Permafrost wrote:

Elquinjena wrote:

In WOW people play the battlegrounds there to earn points to buy better gear which they use when raiding and grouping.

What? No. This is completely incorrect.

The currency you gain from Battlegrounds in WoW gets you armor that is designed for PvP. You can use it in PvE if you want, but you'd be a laughing stock. It's not meant to be used in PvE at all.

Um yeah... same here. You can use the BG Gear in PVE/Raid but you will be a laughing stock, it is not meant for that content. You do not get critmit and other PVE things .. and some of the blue stats work in PVP only on the PVP gear... it is designed for PVP and works best in PVP. If you want to raid T9 you are going to need PVE gear simple as that.

[Michayla]

Kkolbe wrote:

wickermanuk wrote:

It is obvious that someone at SOE who is charge of the major decisions involving EQ2 and the direction it is going has decided that BG needs to be a big hit. I presume this is because WOW has BG therefore of course EQ2 has to follow suit.

It still blows my mind that they close down PVP servers due to lack of interest yet spend so much time on another essentially PVP based project. Logically that doesn't make much sense to me.

As for the gear, its just going to be a mess. Already SOE struggle so much with itemization, adding yet another level of gear and balancing that with Solo,Crafting,PVP,Raid and Heroic gear is going to be a big headache.

They didn't close down pvp server due to lack of interest,  they closed them down because every one transfered to the biggest server(Nagafen) so they could find more pvp, which left Venekor deserted(and all euro servers are low pop.)They offered free transfers a year before Venekor went down. Just like how some pve servers are very low pop because so many people join AB( the highgest pop. pve server.) I am sure they will be closing down some pve servers in the future, just  like they have done in the past, as i remeber half of the pve servers went down already. 

Furthermore, pvp was launched years after the game came out, so we didn't have any chance of getting that new player rush when the game came out. Factor in all this, and your statement is untrue(bolded statement)^^. Nagafen  and AB are the biggest servers in EQ2, come play on Nagafen and feel the lag in a lot of zones.

The fact that there are only 2 PvP servers and 22 PvE servers shows that there is a lack of general interest. The combined population of the 2 PvP servers is significantly less than the 22 PvE servers. Also, judging from the server status pages, the average level of both PvP servers are significantly less than all the PvE servers, with the exception of Antonia Bayle. Vox's average level is 29.18, which only says to me either everyone has alts they don't level, or people created characters there, didn't like it and quit and/or went to PvE servers.

The fact that the servers were created later holds no ground. Those servers were created in 2006. That's plenty of time to develop a population. When servers need to be split because of overcrowding, then you can say there is a general interest in PvP. But that isn't the case, is it?

[Faerus]

Pvp gear long time to get? Not! I know of people on the bazaar right now who have almost full set of bg gear.

[Nenamas_Warclaw]

Katarzyna@Mistmoore wrote:

Kkolbe wrote:

wickermanuk wrote:

It is obvious that someone at SOE who is charge of the major decisions involving EQ2 and the direction it is going has decided that BG needs to be a big hit. I presume this is because WOW has BG therefore of course EQ2 has to follow suit.

It still blows my mind that they close down PVP servers due to lack of interest yet spend so much time on another essentially PVP based project. Logically that doesn't make much sense to me.

As for the gear, its just going to be a mess. Already SOE struggle so much with itemization, adding yet another level of gear and balancing that with Solo,Crafting,PVP,Raid and Heroic gear is going to be a big headache.

They didn't close down pvp server due to lack of interest,  they closed them down because every one transfered to the biggest server(Nagafen) so they could find more pvp, which left Venekor deserted(and all euro servers are low pop.)They offered free transfers a year before Venekor went down. Just like how some pve servers are very low pop because so many people join AB( the highgest pop. pve server.) I am sure they will be closing down some pve servers in the future, just  like they have done in the past, as i remeber half of the pve servers went down already. 

Furthermore, pvp was launched years after the game came out, so we didn't have any chance of getting that new player rush when the game came out. Factor in all this, and your statement is untrue(bolded statement)^^. Nagafen  and AB are the biggest servers in EQ2, come play on Nagafen and feel the lag in a lot of zones.

The fact that there are only 2 PvP servers and 22 PvE servers shows that there is a lack of general interest. The combined population of the 2 PvP servers is significantly less than the 22 PvE servers. Also, judging from the server status pages, the average level of both PvP servers are significantly less than all the PvE servers, with the exception of Antonia Bayle. Vox's average level is 29.18, which only says to me either everyone has alts they don't level, or people created characters there, didn't like it and quit and/or went to PvE servers.

The fact that the servers were created later holds no ground. Those servers were created in 2006. That's plenty of time to develop a population. When servers need to be split because of overcrowding, then you can say there is a general interest in PvP. But that isn't the case, is it?

You defently have never played on a pvp server or atleast not for any amount of time. On pvp servers people lock their chars, we have different rule sets for AAs also. There are alot of people who enjoy lower lvl pvp so they keep their alts locked in the lower teirs, also there are many people who want to have full AA at what ever level they are and that required a very slow grind of quest while turning off combat exp. On pvp servers there is a cap of 1.5x your lvl to the amount of AA you can have untill you get high enough and the aa slider can only go to 50% untill you get max lvl.

As for people saying the BG armor has messed up your servers, I would say most of us dont like it at all. BG armor has all but killed open world pvp on the pvp server. And our openworld pvp gear is the exact same gear as BG, besides one or two items. It is alot harder to get good gear on pvp servers, especialy in open zones. Its hard to get to instances sometimes because there is so much pvp, and I love it. I do not like how ever that they screwed up our pvp armor just for BGs. There is usualy pvp otw to raids and with our pvp gear no longer having crit mit like it use to, we are supose to go up agains ppl in pvp gear with none pvp gear.

The lfie tap on the gear, Im sure it is great to have in BGs where deaths do not effect the outcome, where its important to hold onto an item, tower, or catch a flag. But in open world pvp where you need to kill people for writs, its already hard enough to take down some people. I had a full group fight against a SK who had a full set of the pvp gear on, we caused him to heal so much it was pointless to try to fight him.

[swedago]

Seolta@Unrest wrote:

BG gear takes way more time/effort to get than actual PVE gear which is BETTER for PVE as it is DESIGNED for PVE, so stop crying about it you haters. BG is live, get over it. Go shake your fists at the kids in your neighbors yard or go yell at the clouds or something and just drop the BG bashing kthx.

Well said!

[Lethe5683]

Blxckheart wrote:

Will the battlegrounds token gear be able to be worn for PVE outside of the battlegrounds?  

Wearable but pretty much useless in raids.