Thumore D'armer [MASSIVE SPOILER]

[Kriptini]

The dashing Thumore D'armer seen in today's festivities is none other than Kyrafyrm. Grats everyone, you just assisted in bringing the most deadly force in the known universe back to Norrath.

[Cusashorn]

LOLWHUT?

Seriously. Please explain.

[Kriptini]

Just do the quest. The guy talks about how he's been asleep and can't wake up, for starters. Kyrafyrm is known as the Sleeper. And at the end of the quest he reveals that he's not who he appears to be, and he can "finally return to his home." On top of this, once you leave the dream world, all the NPC's used in the quest, after being hailed again, report that they have no clue who Thumore is and never knew him in the first place. Suspicious? I think so.

[Taurus_WD]

Well, that wouldn't surprise me, and I can see how you can come to that conclusion, but I guess I'd be shocked if that really was Kerafym.

Spoiler Alert for those that can't hop on the live servers right now (and a mini quest walkthrough).

You get a quest from Milupet Cogsory near the T1 guild hall in NQ, she tells you to seek out Drakin or Thumore, I can't remember which, but initially you look for Drakin.  Drakin tells you Thumore is in the building behind him (the one with the city merchants and a forge outside).  Inside you'll see a man asleep on the floor, and two investigators with a lead investigator Dalhya Felshire.

Drakin basically says the party can't begin without Thurmore, and then Dalhya says that everyone that touches Thurmore falls asleep.  You volunteer to touch him, and go into a dream world where you talk to Thurmore.  He asks that you collect memories from around Norrath, you assume they're his memories.   You then exit the dream world, and take a portal next to his sleeping body to each of the instances, each time it takes you to a different expansion zone in chronological order.  Each time you collect a green shiny from the zone, and return to Thurmore and give him the shard.  You give him all the shards, and he says something cryptic, lets you leave the dream state and then no one remembers Thurmore from the quests.  Everyone you talk to has never heard from him.

You also get the title  "the Dream Hero" from the quest.

Here's the final Dialogue (typos may be mine since I'm just re-typing it):

Thurmore D'armer says to you, "I have been eagerly awaiting your return.  Were you able to find the last shard?"

You say to Thurmore D'armer, "I belive I was.  Is this what you were looking for?"

Thumore D'armer says to you, "You have done a tremendous service.  Not just to me, but quite possibly to all of Norrath as well.  Now that I have all of the shards of my lost self, I can finally break free of this world, and return to the world I once called home."

You say to Thumore D'armer, "You mean to the Heroes' Festival?  I know many people were waiting for you."

Thumore D'armer says to you, "No... I mean return to the memories and dreams of all across Norrath, return to my place I gave up so long ago.  The memoreis and dreams of Norrath have helped to hold my shattered self until you came to help me gather those shards once again.  Now, I am finally whole."

You say to Thumore D'armer, "Wait... those weren't your dreams?  Just who are you?"

 Thumore D'armer says to you, "You will know me once again.  Now awaken, my friend.  Your service will not be forgotten."

You say to Thumore D'armer, "You leave me with many questions, but I will take my leave for now.  Farewell to you."

That's the final dialogue, personally I don't think it's Kerafym, even though you might get that impression because everyone falls asleep around him, and he's known as "The Sleeper".  To me, it'd be more like whatever EQ2's version of the Sandman is, or some other player that is involved in the world of dreams.  Actually if I was going to guess anyone it would be Erollosi Marr, to be completed with the Erollosi day in February.  If Mith Marr has freed her, then she was probably nothing but shards spread throughout Norrath, and she needs to be recombined in order to come back in her Goddess form.  Which will probably involve the re-introduction of Halas, seeing as how I think the sleeping person was a Barbarian male (although I can't be sure).

[denmom]

"Live server"....Test server?

Just want to make sure I'm understanding which server is meant.

Thanks in advance.

[Taurus_WD]

Live, I don't play on test.  =/

[Cusashorn]

He's known as "The Sleeper" because he was magically forced to sleep for eternity. His "Sleeping" had no actual impact on anyone around him, considering that nobody could physically get close to his body to touch him and fall asleep themselves due to the barrier the guardians put up.

"The Sleeper" has long since been a name thrown away. He's now and forever more "The Awakened"... at least until we kill him.

I can't access the game right now. i don't know when i will be allowed too, but I can only hope these quests will last at least for the rest of the week. I hope to have my computer back up and running in a few days.

[Mirander_1]

Acuza@The Bazaar wrote:

Here's the final Dialogue (typos may be mine since I'm just re-typing it):

Thurmore D'armer says to you, "I have been eagerly awaiting your return.  Were you able to find the last shard?"

You say to Thurmore D'armer, "I belive I was.  Is this what you were looking for?"

Thumore D'armer says to you, "You have done a tremendous service.  Not just to me, but quite possibly to all of Norrath as well.  Now that I have all of the shards of my lost self, I can finally break free of this world, and return to the world I once called home."

You say to Thumore D'armer, "You mean to the Heroes' Festival?  I know many people were waiting for you."

Thumore D'armer says to you, "No... I mean return to the memories and dreams of all across Norrath, return to my place I gave up so long ago.  The memoreis and dreams of Norrath have helped to hold my shattered self until you came to help me gather those shards once again.  Now, I am finally whole."

You say to Thumore D'armer, "Wait... those weren't your dreams?  Just who are you?"

 Thumore D'armer says to you, "You will know me once again.  Now awaken, my friend.  Your service will not be forgotten."

You say to Thumore D'armer, "You leave me with many questions, but I will take my leave for now.  Farewell to you."

Sounds like Morrel Thule to me.

[Kriptini]

Cusashorn wrote:

He's known as "The Sleeper" because he was magically forced to sleep for eternity. His "Sleeping" had no actual impact on anyone around him, considering that nobody could physically get close to his body to touch him and fall asleep themselves due to the barrier the guardians put up.

Kyrafyrm is a pretty strong dragon tbh. I wouldn't be surprised if he could pull crazy hat tricks.

[Kriptini]

Mirander@Unrest wrote:

Sounds like Morrel Thule to me.

Nope, you're wrong.

[Kriptini]

Mirander@Unrest wrote:

Sounds like Morrel Thule to me.

Nope, you're wrong.

[Taurus_WD]

Playing the anagram game, I can see at least one anagram that seems to make sense.

The Dream Rumor?  or The Rumor Dream.

[Cusashorn]

Kriptini@Everfrost wrote:

Mirander@Unrest wrote:

Sounds like Morrel Thule to me.

Nope, you're wrong.

Wow, not even I am that blunt and arrogant. You should at least back yourself up with your claims that he is wrong. it seems you don't have any evidence to prove your theory yourself.

[Thoronve]

Acuza@The Bazaar wrote:

Playing the anagram game, I can see at least one anagram that seems to make sense.

The Dream Rumor?  or The Rumor Dream.

...or 'More Thru Dream'? (given he says we'll meet again)

I can also see both Marr and Theer in there... 'Theer Do Um Marr'??

-Thoronve-

[Kriptini]

Cusashorn wrote:

Wow, not even I am that blunt and arrogant. You should at least back yourself up with your claims that he is wrong. it seems you don't have any evidence to prove your theory yourself.

Scroll back up and read the posts I've already made.

And it's not like the guy explained how the quote was relevant to Morrel Thule at all.

[Cusashorn]

Kriptini@Everfrost wrote:

Cusashorn wrote:

Wow, not even I am that blunt and arrogant. You should at least back yourself up with your claims that he is wrong. it seems you don't have any evidence to prove your theory yourself.

Scroll back up and read the posts I've already made.

And it's not like the guy explained how the quote was relevant to Morrel Thule at all.

I've read all your posts. You have no evidence that proves it's Kerafyrm. Just remember. Kerafyrm has been "The Awakened" for the last 500 years. He was only known as "The Sleeper" when he was forcefully kept asleep due to Dragon magics. He hasn't been put back to sleep since he was woken up.

[Kriptini]

Acuza@The Bazaar wrote:

To me, it'd be more like whatever EQ2's version of the Sandman is, or some other player that is involved in the world of dreams.  Actually if I was going to guess anyone it would be Erollosi Marr, to be completed with the Erollosi day in February.  If Mith Marr has freed her, then she was probably nothing but shards spread throughout Norrath, and she needs to be recombined in order to come back in her Goddess form.  Which will probably involve the re-introduction of Halas, seeing as how I think the sleeping person was a Barbarian male (although I can't be sure).

Erollisi Marr is completely and utterly dead. In the Shard of Love, Marr even talks about how she is completely and utterly dead. The devs have washed their hands with Erollisi.

[Cusashorn]

Kriptini@Everfrost wrote:

Acuza@The Bazaar wrote:

To me, it'd be more like whatever EQ2's version of the Sandman is, or some other player that is involved in the world of dreams.  Actually if I was going to guess anyone it would be Erollosi Marr, to be completed with the Erollosi day in February.  If Mith Marr has freed her, then she was probably nothing but shards spread throughout Norrath, and she needs to be recombined in order to come back in her Goddess form.  Which will probably involve the re-introduction of Halas, seeing as how I think the sleeping person was a Barbarian male (although I can't be sure).

Erollisi Marr is completely and utterly dead. In the Shard of Love, Marr even talks about how she is completely and utterly dead. The devs have washed their hands with Erollisi.

The developers have also stated that the Shard of Love is only the BEGINNING of the story, and even Mithanial Marr himself inside the zone hints that it is possible for her to be reborn and return.

[Kriptini]

Cusashorn wrote:

I've read all your posts. You have no evidence that proves it's Kerafyrm.

Kriptini@Everfrost wrote:

Just do the quest. The guy talks about how he's been asleep and can't wake up, for starters. Kyrafyrm is known as the Sleeper. And at the end of the quest he reveals that he's not who he appears to be, and he can "finally return to his home." On top of this, once you leave the dream world, all the NPC's used in the quest, after being hailed again, report that they have no clue who Thumore is and never knew him in the first place. Suspicious? I think so.

O rly? I think I did a bit better than quoting a post and saying, "Morrel Thule."

Cusashorn wrote:

Just remember. Kerafyrm has been "The Awakened" for the last 500 years. He was only known as "The Sleeper" when he was forcefully kept asleep due to Dragon magics. He hasn't been put back to sleep since he was woken up.

Was he ever awakened in the world of EQ2, or only awakened in the world of EQ1? Recall the book of Zebuxoruuk. Events that have taken place in EQ1 may not have taken place yet in EQ2.

[Kriptini]

Cusashorn wrote:

The developers have also stated that the Shard of Love is only the BEGINNING of the story, and even Mithanial Marr himself inside the zone hints that it is possible for her to be reborn and return.

All these contradictions remind me of the Bible. /sigh

[Taurus_WD]

With one zone per expansion there may be some rhyme or reason to the chosen zones.  I don't know the names of all of them, but someone else can hopefully fill it in.

Expansion - Zone

Desert of Flames - Tower of the Moon in Maj'Dul

Kingdom of Sky - Halls of Fate

Echoes of Faydwer - Estate of Unrest

Ruins of Kunark -  Karnor's Castle

The Shadow Odyssey - ? (I've never been to the zone before)

As far as general critique of the quest goes, I really wish that I didn't have to zone in to NQ then out to the appropriate zone.  As it is, I actually went to Maj'Dul and the tower of the moon the first time I went through the quest.

[Cusashorn]

Kriptini@Everfrost wrote:

Cusashorn wrote:

I've read all your posts. You have no evidence that proves it's Kerafyrm.

Kriptini@Everfrost wrote:

Just do the quest. The guy talks about how he's been asleep and can't wake up, for starters. Kyrafyrm is known as the Sleeper. And at the end of the quest he reveals that he's not who he appears to be, and he can "finally return to his home." On top of this, once you leave the dream world, all the NPC's used in the quest, after being hailed again, report that they have no clue who Thumore is and never knew him in the first place. Suspicious? I think so.

O rly? I think I did a bit better than quoting a post and saying, "Morrel Thule."

Cusashorn wrote:

Just remember. Kerafyrm has been "The Awakened" for the last 500 years. He was only known as "The Sleeper" when he was forcefully kept asleep due to Dragon magics. He hasn't been put back to sleep since he was woken up.

Was he ever awakened in the world of EQ2, or only awakened in the world of EQ1? Recall the book of Zebuxoruuk. Events that have taken place in EQ1 may not have taken place yet in EQ2.

Did you even do any of the research when you started playing this game?

That timeline split took place during the Planes of Power expansion pack in EQlive... 2 expansions *AFTER* Kerafyrm was woken up in the Velious expansion. They even revamped the city of Skyshrine on Velious to reflect that he had woken up back before Planes of Power was released.

Furthermore, this game is expressly stated as taking place 500 years A.K... AFTER KERAFYRM, meaning after he was woken up, rampaged through the Temple of Veeshan, and left for places unknown. His very awakening heralded a new Calender system.

Even more than that, the entire Qeynos Claymore questline in the Kingdom of Sky expansion talks about how all the dragons living up there chose to follow Kerafyrm after he came to them and told them he could help them with thier problems. He promised Harla Dar that he could bring back her husband and son. A false promise, but one he made after he woke up. He is a dragon who wants to destroy all of dragon-kind and then beyond that even still. Why would he ever come to Qeynos and Freeport and ask us to help him? He doesn't need help in razing both cities to the ground in mere seconds!

Erollisi's storyline isn't a contradiction to anything the developers have said either. They said that her death was only the beginning of her story.

[Kriptini]

Acuza@The Bazaar wrote:

The Shadow Odyssey - ? (I've never been to the zone before)

That's Palace of Ferzhul/Palace of the Ancient One. I don't think there's any reason behind picking that place, other than SoE likes to recycle that zone time and again for anything void related. I nearly cried tears of happiness when I learned that Munzok's would be modeled after Anchor of Bazzul rather than recycling Ferzhul yet again.

[Triasa]

Hmmm...  I was wondering if Kerafyrm would be somehow entering the story, now that we're headed to Odus:

Vhalen wrote:

The Quellithulians and the Awakened, what an odd alliance. To better understand the alliance you would have to walk the palaces of an island continent or know the master of the spires. As for the excavated resources, they have many uses.  

From link

[Kriptini]

Cusashorn wrote:

He doesn't need help in razing both cities to the ground in mere seconds!

Erollisi's storyline isn't a contradiction to anything the developers have said either. They said that her death was only the beginning of her story.

Then why hasn't he done it already?

"The beginning of her story" probably means that we'll go back and find out why she was killed, etc. Doesn't promise that she will be revived.

[Cusashorn]

Kriptini@Everfrost wrote:

Cusashorn wrote:

He doesn't need help in razing both cities to the ground in mere seconds!

Erollisi's storyline isn't a contradiction to anything the developers have said either. They said that her death was only the beginning of her story.

Then why hasn't he done it already?

"The beginning of her story" probably means that we'll go back and find out why she was killed, etc. Doesn't promise that she will be revived.

With the way we've been lead up these last few years as to what has happened to her, her revival will be inevitable. You don't just kill a god, let the players find out that she is dead by seeing her body, learning that Innoruuk was the one responsible for causing her death, and just leave it at that.

There has never been any story about Erollisi fighting against Innoruuk in the past. You don't just introduce a story and say it all happened and that one side won. If you do, you don't allow the players to get involved in the story and still decide that the evil god who won will still win.

No, you start investigating how to bring her back and eventually do so. She was a major diety in EQlive and has always had a huge fanbase following for roleplay reasons and whatnot. They wouldn't just write a story out of the blue that is so shallow as to just give Innoruuk his victory without there being any conflict in obtaining it.

[Xalmat]

Kerafyrm was awakened during Velious, which occured well within EQ2 canon.

He was put back to sleep in the EQ1 expansion Secrets of Faydwer, but that expansion falls well outside the EQ2 timeline. For all we know in this time line, he's either dead or he's hiding.

[Taurus_WD]

Since I'm going through the quest again, would anyone like me to post the entire transcript?  I'm thinking mainly for the people that can't access the game in their near future.

[Xalmat]

Acuza@The Bazaar wrote:

Since I'm going through the quest again, would anyone like me to post the entire transcript?  I'm thinking mainly for the people that can't access the game in their near future.

I would love it!

[Homeskillet]

Actually, just going through this quest and reading what I have read here...Morrel Thule seems to make more sense than anything. He seems benevolent, somewhat, a part of Norrath from before. The way he influences people to believe in him and draws them into dreams...I mean Morrel Thule was the demigod of Dreams was he not? Counterpart to his sister Terris Thule.