Marr 2 Hander Appearance Item - Needs Looking At.

Kunaak · 10-04-2009, 04:48 PM

there has never been a good 2 hander for any tank class since about level 30.

if you guys really wanted to inspire warriors to use 2 handers - heres my suggestion.

take their mythical, and the best easy to get shield, and average out the damage possible. then make a 2 hander, that has about as much HP and STR - STA as those two items combined, and about 10-20% more DPS potential... and that would be a good 2 hander.

there has never been a 2 hander weapon, that had any where near the DPS potential it needed for me to either give up my shield, or not use the claw of khalen instead.

that being said, the Replica sword from SOL is sorely wasted, since its a great looking item.... yet no one will ever use it, for the exact reason mentiond. theres no good 2 hander any where in the game, to be able to use a 2 hander appearance item.

so my suggestion is... make the replica sword a L50 item.

atleast then, someone would use it while leveling up. cause by 80.... theres no logical reason to even consider using a 2 hander weapon, cause simply put, theres no good ones out there at 80.

Queen Alexandria · 10-04-2009, 05:32 PM

I use it on my mannequins in the house. Looks pretty sweet. I agree, mythicals ruined 2hander possibilities. Something needs to be redone about 2 handers.

Mirander_1 · 10-05-2009, 12:26 AM

Zenaide@Mistmoore wrote:

I use it on my mannequins in the house. Looks pretty sweet. I agree, mythicals ruined 2hander possibilities. Something needs to be redone about 2 handers.

Eh, 2-handers were considered sub-par well before epic weapons showed up. Epics just seemed to be an official recognition of that fact, by deciding to make it so important weapons weren't 'wasted' by making them 2-handers (or at least, that's the way I tended to take that decision).

Hopefully Sentinel's Fate will break that cycle, with statistically worthwhile 2-handers available.

Hikinami · 10-05-2009, 01:22 AM

Not sure why you think warriors would be the ideal class to start using two handers since they can dual wield. There should be some two handers itemized for crusaders as they cannot use two one hand weapons.

Seidhkona · 10-05-2009, 08:36 AM

As a young paladin, I used a greatsword a lot in raids where I was present in a support or off-tank role. My favorite KoS swords were rune-sparkling, red glowing two handers. Oh, and the Prismatic 2-H sword.

Nowadays, with the changes in Crusaders (all improvements, please gods, I am not complaining), I do a lot more damage when I have a shield and one-handed weapon equipped. Even before I got my epic/mythical, that was the case.

Froed20 · 10-05-2009, 01:25 PM

Mirander@Unrest wrote:

Zenaide@Mistmoore wrote:
I use it on my mannequins in the house. Looks pretty sweet. I agree, mythicals ruined 2hander possibilities. Something needs to be redone about 2 handers.
Eh, 2-handers were considered sub-par well before epic weapons showed up. Epics just seemed to be an official recognition of that fact, by deciding to make it so important weapons weren't 'wasted' by making them 2-handers (or at least, that's the way I tended to take that decision).
Hopefully Sentinel's Fate will break that cycle, with statistically worthwhile 2-handers available.

Aye, remember the SoD quest, when they originally had the mage reward as a 2-hander? They recieved so many complaints because the weapon actually wasn't anywhere near as good as wielding a 1-hander and a symbol. Instead of powering up the staff to compensate, they turned it into a 1-hander.

This has indeed been a problem for a long time. There are no AA's that reward 2-handers and there are no 2handers that have stats AND effects that at least come on equal terms if not surpass the damage capabilities that a 1-hander+offhand can produce. If anything in this game needs balancing, this is one area that has been sorely lacking for the longest time.

Macross_JR · 10-05-2009, 01:25 PM

Has it been so long ago people have forgot about the Royal Great Flail..../sigh

Yimway · 10-05-2009, 01:31 PM

They haven't itemized a 2hander with enough stats / effects to be a viable choice since the orriginal release.

I've repeatedly stated in class and fighter ballancing threads that they should spec certain classes to best dps specs in 2hand style with tanking specs in one hand styles. This would help restore some balance. As others have stated in this thread crusaders do more damage sword and board than 2hander, and honestly thats a bit of an issue.

Mirander_1 · 10-05-2009, 06:41 PM

Fayle@Mistmoore wrote:

Mirander@Unrest wrote:
Zenaide@Mistmoore wrote:
I use it on my mannequins in the house. Looks pretty sweet. I agree, mythicals ruined 2hander possibilities. Something needs to be redone about 2 handers.
Eh, 2-handers were considered sub-par well before epic weapons showed up. Epics just seemed to be an official recognition of that fact, by deciding to make it so important weapons weren't 'wasted' by making them 2-handers (or at least, that's the way I tended to take that decision).
Hopefully Sentinel's Fate will break that cycle, with statistically worthwhile 2-handers available.
Aye, remember the SoD quest, when they originally had the mage reward as a 2-hander? They recieved so many complaints because the weapon actually wasn't anywhere near as good as wielding a 1-hander and a symbol. Instead of powering up the staff to compensate, they turned it into a 1-hander.

Or go back even further to the Godking weapons from DoF, where they had to make it so the staff and the halberd could transform into a wand and sword to make people happy.

BabyAngel · 10-06-2009, 02:39 PM

I am 60, never used a one hander. I am going to loose my two handed staff in a few levels? SMILEY

This game is feeling more and more broken everyday...

Froed20 · 10-06-2009, 06:02 PM

BabyAngel wrote:

I am 60, never used a one hander. I am going to loose my two handed staff in a few levels?
This game is feeling more and more broken everyday...

You'll definately find less reasons to equip it, especially once you start seeing some of the RoK gear dropping. You don't HAVE to go with 1-handers, but it's still far more better to use them with a shield/symbol/offhand weapon in terms of combined stats, damage potential, and extra procs/effects.

Jesdyr · 10-06-2009, 06:31 PM

Easy fix .. make the 2h from SoL transmutable ! SMILEY

Paikis · 10-07-2009, 08:27 AM

Easy fix: Change Knight's Stance (bonus damage on 1H weapons currently) to effect 2 handers and not 1 handers.

10-04-2009, 05:32 PM	#2
Queen Alexandria Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 221	I use it on my mannequins in the house. Looks pretty sweet. I agree, mythicals ruined 2hander possibilities. Something needs to be redone about 2 handers. __________________

10-05-2009, 12:26 AM	#3
Mirander_1 Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,229	Zenaide@Mistmoore wrote: I use it on my mannequins in the house. Looks pretty sweet. I agree, mythicals ruined 2hander possibilities. Something needs to be redone about 2 handers. Eh, 2-handers were considered sub-par well before epic weapons showed up. Epics just seemed to be an official recognition of that fact, by deciding to make it so important weapons weren't 'wasted' by making them 2-handers (or at least, that's the way I tended to take that decision). Hopefully Sentinel's Fate will break that cycle, with statistically worthwhile 2-handers available. __________________ Mirander 90 Wizard Unrest server

10-05-2009, 08:36 AM	#5
Seidhkona Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 4,115	As a young paladin, I used a greatsword a lot in raids where I was present in a support or off-tank role. My favorite KoS swords were rune-sparkling, red glowing two handers. Oh, and the Prismatic 2-H sword. Nowadays, with the changes in Crusaders (all improvements, please gods, I am not complaining), I do a lot more damage when I have a shield and one-handed weapon equipped. Even before I got my epic/mythical, that was the case. __________________

10-05-2009, 01:25 PM	#6
Froed20 General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 464	Mirander@Unrest wrote: Zenaide@Mistmoore wrote: I use it on my mannequins in the house. Looks pretty sweet. I agree, mythicals ruined 2hander possibilities. Something needs to be redone about 2 handers. Eh, 2-handers were considered sub-par well before epic weapons showed up. Epics just seemed to be an official recognition of that fact, by deciding to make it so important weapons weren't 'wasted' by making them 2-handers (or at least, that's the way I tended to take that decision). Hopefully Sentinel's Fate will break that cycle, with statistically worthwhile 2-handers available. Aye, remember the SoD quest, when they originally had the mage reward as a 2-hander? They recieved so many complaints because the weapon actually wasn't anywhere near as good as wielding a 1-hander and a symbol. Instead of powering up the staff to compensate, they turned it into a 1-hander. This has indeed been a problem for a long time. There are no AA's that reward 2-handers and there are no 2handers that have stats AND effects that at least come on equal terms if not surpass the damage capabilities that a 1-hander+offhand can produce. If anything in this game needs balancing, this is one area that has been sorely lacking for the longest time.

10-05-2009, 01:25 PM	#7
Macross_JR Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 547	Has it been so long ago people have forgot about the Royal Great Flail..../sigh __________________

10-04-2009, 04:48 PM	#1
Kunaak Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,081	there has never been a good 2 hander for any tank class since about level 30. if you guys really wanted to inspire warriors to use 2 handers - heres my suggestion. take their mythical, and the best easy to get shield, and average out the damage possible. then make a 2 hander, that has about as much HP and STR - STA as those two items combined, and about 10-20% more DPS potential... and that would be a good 2 hander. there has never been a 2 hander weapon, that had any where near the DPS potential it needed for me to either give up my shield, or not use the claw of khalen instead. that being said, the Replica sword from SOL is sorely wasted, since its a great looking item.... yet no one will ever use it, for the exact reason mentiond. theres no good 2 hander any where in the game, to be able to use a 2 hander appearance item. so my suggestion is... make the replica sword a L50 item. atleast then, someone would use it while leveling up. cause by 80.... theres no logical reason to even consider using a 2 hander weapon, cause simply put, theres no good ones out there at 80.

10-05-2009, 01:22 AM	#4
Hikinami Server: Lucan DLere Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 367	Not sure why you think warriors would be the ideal class to start using two handers since they can dual wield. There should be some two handers itemized for crusaders as they cannot use two one hand weapons.

10-05-2009, 01:31 PM	#8
Yimway Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 9,707	They haven't itemized a 2hander with enough stats / effects to be a viable choice since the orriginal release. I've repeatedly stated in class and fighter ballancing threads that they should spec certain classes to best dps specs in 2hand style with tanking specs in one hand styles. This would help restore some balance. As others have stated in this thread crusaders do more damage sword and board than 2hander, and honestly thats a bit of an issue. __________________

10-05-2009, 06:41 PM	#9
Mirander_1 Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,229	Fayle@Mistmoore wrote: Mirander@Unrest wrote: Zenaide@Mistmoore wrote: I use it on my mannequins in the house. Looks pretty sweet. I agree, mythicals ruined 2hander possibilities. Something needs to be redone about 2 handers. Eh, 2-handers were considered sub-par well before epic weapons showed up. Epics just seemed to be an official recognition of that fact, by deciding to make it so important weapons weren't 'wasted' by making them 2-handers (or at least, that's the way I tended to take that decision). Hopefully Sentinel's Fate will break that cycle, with statistically worthwhile 2-handers available. Aye, remember the SoD quest, when they originally had the mage reward as a 2-hander? They recieved so many complaints because the weapon actually wasn't anywhere near as good as wielding a 1-hander and a symbol. Instead of powering up the staff to compensate, they turned it into a 1-hander. Or go back even further to the Godking weapons from DoF, where they had to make it so the staff and the halberd could transform into a wand and sword to make people happy. __________________ Mirander 90 Wizard Unrest server

10-06-2009, 02:39 PM	#10
BabyAngel Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 490	I am 60, never used a one hander. I am going to loose my two handed staff in a few levels? This game is feeling more and more broken everyday...

10-06-2009, 06:02 PM	#11
Froed20 General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 464	BabyAngel wrote: I am 60, never used a one hander. I am going to loose my two handed staff in a few levels? This game is feeling more and more broken everyday... You'll definately find less reasons to equip it, especially once you start seeing some of the RoK gear dropping. You don't HAVE to go with 1-handers, but it's still far more better to use them with a shield/symbol/offhand weapon in terms of combined stats, damage potential, and extra procs/effects.

10-06-2009, 06:31 PM	#12
Jesdyr Server: Unrest Guild: Curmudgeons Rank: Senior Officer Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,710	Easy fix .. make the 2h from SoL transmutable !

10-07-2009, 08:27 AM	#13
Paikis Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,254	Easy fix: Change Knight's Stance (bonus damage on 1H weapons currently) to effect 2 handers and not 1 handers. __________________ Kaelas, Necromancer Valindor, Templar Paikis, Troubador Ashk, Berserker Mirbolt, Shadowknight