Test Copy PVP? - Page 4

Borias · 09-06-2009, 08:49 PM

Wingrider01 wrote:

Borias@Nagafen wrote:
Wingrider01 wrote:
no PVP is not my cup of tea, did it for to long in real life
*snipped*
I am attempting to put forth the idea that this is NOT about PVP environment or PVE environment, this is about respect and cooperation between two different mondsets of players - go ahead and "test" your PVP changes, but repsect and cooperate with your fellow player's that are NOT trying to deal with the PVP changes but are trying to deal with the PVE changes that affect their gaming style - which 99.999999 (lets go six-sigma on this) of the pvp players that are over there. Once more bluntly stated - The point of the discussion is NOT, repeat NOT about it being a PVP or PVE environment, this is about the RESPECT, repeat RESPECT and UNDERSTANDING, repeat UNDERSTANDING of the pvp style player of leaving the pve player alone when they are trying to test things that affect their style, abosoluteing NOTHING, repeat NOTHING is being referenced against the the flagging on the server.
Again, you either miss or deliberately misunderstand the purpose of the comment, it was a refernce to why I do not prefer to play PVP that takes place in a disconnected virtual environment, to satisfy your couriosity - no I did not ask them, I killed them, in the military, and in law enforcement after the military. That was NOT the point of the reference
In closing - have fun "testing" your changes, personally will refrain from doing any higher end testing of the game until the understanding of the player, NOT the environment changes, if I want to check something out in a starting city, will roll a level 1 and check it out. I am curious though, would love to have SOE post the number of bug reports that come in from each genre of player style.
At the end of the day - I give up, your mindset is completely contrary to the discussion - an it has a narrow focus. This is NOT about the enviroment, it is about the mentality and cooperation of the player, and there is nothing that can be done about it, the environment can be changed easiy, the player attitude and mentaility cannot

Actually, respect and cooperation the way you're putting it means that basically it would be pve, because I think maybe 1 or 2 posts have pve server people saying they enjoy pvp, a few have actual mechanics issues that need to be fixed, and the rest are all saying that they are gonna either take their ball and go home because they got killed, or are flat out refusing to even try.

I have suggested several times that perhaps the way to do it is either have 1-2 zones pvp enabled, or just disable pvp for the new testing zones, but leave it in everywhere else.

You claim that I have a narrow focus, but you're the one saying that you're refusing to even TEST things because you can be attacked in pvp. Why not take the plunge full force and see if you like it? The best enemy is the one that doesn't have a script, but change in what they do.

Borias · 09-06-2009, 08:55 PM

Bratface wrote:

Svetlanavera@Nagafen wrote:
The attitude many of us pvp'ers have at this point in these threads is because we are tired of seeing pve'ers complaining up one side and down the other because test_copy is pvp for a little while.
Actually people are not complaining about it being PvP, they, and I, are unhappy that we cannot get along and be left alone to do our thing in our own way.
It isn't the server, it's people who abuse the fact that PvE people are easy targets to gank and can't or won't respect people enough to allow them to PvE.
If you PvP people showed respect to PvE players who do not want to PvP then we wouldn't be having any troubles at all.
PvP attacking PvE who do not want to be attacked reminds me of a saying "just because you can do a thing, doesn't mean you should". If PvP people showed some restraint and courtesy we could all get our testing done on the same server, but you folks don't want to share so it's one or the other, which is unfortunate.
We are not asking for it to be PvP to be turned off, we have only asked for respect and to be left alone, and you folks refuse to honor that request which leave PvE with only one option, wait until PvP is turned off again.
We are willing to let you PvP each other, why can't you let us PvE?

Actually, the majority are complaining about it being PVP. If you're an easy target, spend a little time and learn to pvp better. You probably will enjoy fighting an enemy that isn't tank n spank.

You actually are asking for it to be turned off. You want 90% of the playerbase to be left alone, at all times, on a current pvp server.

PVP players pve as well, why can't you guys give it a try and kill people too instead of throwing in the towel before even getting to the ring?

Bratface · 09-06-2009, 09:35 PM

Borias@Nagafen wrote:

Bratface wrote:
Svetlanavera@Nagafen wrote:
The attitude many of us pvp'ers have at this point in these threads is because we are tired of seeing pve'ers complaining up one side and down the other because test_copy is pvp for a little while.
Actually people are not complaining about it being PvP, they, and I, are unhappy that we cannot get along and be left alone to do our thing in our own way.
It isn't the server, it's people who abuse the fact that PvE people are easy targets to gank and can't or won't respect people enough to allow them to PvE.
If you PvP people showed respect to PvE players who do not want to PvP then we wouldn't be having any troubles at all.
PvP attacking PvE who do not want to be attacked reminds me of a saying "just because you can do a thing, doesn't mean you should". If PvP people showed some restraint and courtesy we could all get our testing done on the same server, but you folks don't want to share so it's one or the other, which is unfortunate.
We are not asking for it to be PvP to be turned off, we have only asked for respect and to be left alone, and you folks refuse to honor that request which leave PvE with only one option, wait until PvP is turned off again.
We are willing to let you PvP each other, why can't you let us PvE?
Actually, the majority are complaining about it being PVP. If you're an easy target, spend a little time and learn to pvp better. You probably will enjoy fighting an enemy that isn't tank n spank.
You actually are asking for it to be turned off. You want 90% of the playerbase to be left alone, at all times, on a current pvp server.
PVP players pve as well, why can't you guys give it a try and kill people too instead of throwing in the towel before even getting to the ring?

If PvE is 90% of the players on copy now then there isn't much real of a PvP community there.

And stop telling us to come PvP, or how it will make us better player, you insult us at every chance and it's really old.

We play just fine and we don't need to PvP to enjoy the game

If you have an inabilty to test PvP without ganking PvE players then that is a shortcoming of the PvP community and not one that the PvE community should be burdened with compensating for.

No matter what you say it does not change the fact that ganking is what is taking place and that PvP refuses to respect any playstyle choice other than their own.

Not one person has ever told you to PvE to be a better player, or called PvP lazy or whiners etc, too bad the same cannot be said about PvP folks. It's downright shameful.

Borias · 09-06-2009, 09:51 PM

So what's plain shameful is how you have 95% of the community, and the crying and complaining here and just plain "I can't have it my way, so I refuse to play" snubness is so high and mighty, I can't believe you can see anyone from your pedestal way up there.

If it's really 90% pve and 10% pvp on there, then there should be no issue at all being ganked. Find a friend or 6, show em up.

And we are refusing to respect your decision to only pve? HELLO SIR ITS A PVP SERVER LEARN TO DEAL WITH IT. By all means, put in a /feedback, talk to a gm to switch it, but just *****ing on the forums is a good way to look like an idiot because you refuse to learn and adapt to the ruleset you're choosing to play on. Let me say that again. You're choosing to play on a server that has the pvp rules on it, and complaining about the pvp rules. /boggle.

Andok · 09-06-2009, 09:55 PM

Borias@Nagafen wrote:

Andok wrote:
Once the all important testing of PVP ganking unsuspecting PvE players is done, please change Test Copy back to PvE so everyone else can test the new content with their live (copy) characters. But, please, take your time - I know how important it is to test ganking PvE players is for a PvP server.
I guarantee to you that if you take just a little bit of time and learn your characters pvp style, it will help you in pve. And one of the most primary rules of pvp- if you're getting griefed, get help! Are you testing exclusively solo content? Bring friends!
PVP isn't some sort of form of leprosy to be avoided, it's another facet of the game. Take the opportunity to buff the snot out of your toons and try it. You might even like it.

I love PvP in games like Planetside, but I am completely not interested in PvP in games like EQ. I tried it, and I didn't like it. Sorry... when I'm in the mood for PvP, I'll log into a PvP game that pits skill vs skill (Planetside), not level/equipment vs level/equipment (EQ).

Borias · 09-06-2009, 09:56 PM

Andok wrote:

Borias@Nagafen wrote:
Andok wrote:
Once the all important testing of PVP ganking unsuspecting PvE players is done, please change Test Copy back to PvE so everyone else can test the new content with their live (copy) characters. But, please, take your time - I know how important it is to test ganking PvE players is for a PvP server.
I guarantee to you that if you take just a little bit of time and learn your characters pvp style, it will help you in pve. And one of the most primary rules of pvp- if you're getting griefed, get help! Are you testing exclusively solo content? Bring friends!
PVP isn't some sort of form of leprosy to be avoided, it's another facet of the game. Take the opportunity to buff the snot out of your toons and try it. You might even like it.
I love PvP in games like Planetside, but I am completely not interested in PvP in games like EQ. I tried it, and I didn't like it. Sorry... when I'm in the mood for PvP, I'll log into a PvP game that pits skill vs skill (Planetside), not level/equipment vs level/equipment (EQ).

Isn't there still a beta buffer?....... You'd be surprised how much skill is involved when it isn't mindless zerg wars.

Andok · 09-06-2009, 10:00 PM

Borias@Nagafen wrote:

Andok wrote:
Borias@Nagafen wrote:
Andok wrote:
Once the all important testing of PVP ganking unsuspecting PvE players is done, please change Test Copy back to PvE so everyone else can test the new content with their live (copy) characters. But, please, take your time - I know how important it is to test ganking PvE players is for a PvP server.
I guarantee to you that if you take just a little bit of time and learn your characters pvp style, it will help you in pve. And one of the most primary rules of pvp- if you're getting griefed, get help! Are you testing exclusively solo content? Bring friends!
PVP isn't some sort of form of leprosy to be avoided, it's another facet of the game. Take the opportunity to buff the snot out of your toons and try it. You might even like it.
I love PvP in games like Planetside, but I am completely not interested in PvP in games like EQ. I tried it, and I didn't like it. Sorry... when I'm in the mood for PvP, I'll log into a PvP game that pits skill vs skill (Planetside), not level/equipment vs level/equipment (EQ).
Isn't there still a beta buffer?....... You'd be surprised how much skill is involved when it isn't mindless zerg wars.

I think the buffers are still down.

Svetty · 09-06-2009, 10:11 PM

Bratface wrote:

Actually people are not complaining about it being PvP, they, and I, are unhappy that we cannot get along and be left alone to do our thing in our own way.
It isn't the server, it's people who abuse the fact that PvE people are easy targets to gank and can't or won't respect people enough to allow them to PvE.
If you PvP people showed respect to PvE players who do not want to PvP then we wouldn't be having any troubles at all.
PvP attacking PvE who do not want to be attacked reminds me of a saying "just because you can do a thing, doesn't mean you should". If PvP people showed some restraint and courtesy we could all get our testing done on the same server, but you folks don't want to share so it's one or the other, which is unfortunate.
We are not asking for it to be PvP to be turned off, we have only asked for respect and to be left alone, and you folks refuse to honor that request which leave PvE with only one option, wait until PvP is turned off again.
We are willing to let you PvP each other, why can't you let us PvE?

It is an unrealistic expectation to ask PVP'ers to not fight PVE players when we have no way to tell a PVE player from a PVP player on the server.

Hecula · 09-06-2009, 11:17 PM

Gungo wrote:

I am a pve'er who despises the fact a bunch of whiny pve'ers are complaining about pvp people testing thier content.I personally have a level 36 alt on test and i have copies on test_copy (now pvp). I saw the developer posts stating the change and I am completely for pvp people able to test thier content. If i want to not be involved in pvp i will play my test toon. But the fact is this bunch of whiny self centered pve'ers who troll and whine the forums because they don't get thier way and make threats of "I refuse to ever test" is sickening at best. How grown adults can act like immature children and stomp thier feet is quite litterally sad.

Not sure if I would be making these sorts of comments. They were the exact reason why the previous thread about the ruleset was locked and there may be some consequences for attacks such as this.

Te'ana · 09-06-2009, 11:45 PM

Andok wrote:

Once the all important testing of PVP ganking unsuspecting PvE players is done, please change Test Copy back to PvE so everyone else can test the new content with their live (copy) characters. But, please, take your time - I know how important it is to test ganking PvE players is for a PvP server.

/nods agreement

Maroger · 09-06-2009, 11:50 PM

Lateana@The Bazaar wrote:

Andok wrote:
Once the all important testing of PVP ganking unsuspecting PvE players is done, please change Test Copy back to PvE so everyone else can test the new content with their live (copy) characters. But, please, take your time - I know how important it is to test ganking PvE players is for a PvP server.
/nods agreement

Applauds -- well said. Will test when the server goes back to PVE. I don't even log on.

Paikis · 09-07-2009, 12:25 AM

Lateana@The Bazaar wrote:

Andok wrote:
Once the all important testing of PVP ganking unsuspecting PvE players is done, please change Test Copy back to PvE so everyone else can test the new content with their live (copy) characters. But, please, take your time - I know how important it is to test ganking PvE players is for a PvP server.
/nods agreement

You're right, its very important. Its so vitally important infact that I propose we leave the PvP test server exactly how it is.

Bratface · 09-07-2009, 01:03 AM

Svetlanavera@Nagafen wrote:

Bratface wrote:
Actually people are not complaining about it being PvP, they, and I, are unhappy that we cannot get along and be left alone to do our thing in our own way.
It isn't the server, it's people who abuse the fact that PvE people are easy targets to gank and can't or won't respect people enough to allow them to PvE.
If you PvP people showed respect to PvE players who do not want to PvP then we wouldn't be having any troubles at all.
PvP attacking PvE who do not want to be attacked reminds me of a saying "just because you can do a thing, doesn't mean you should". If PvP people showed some restraint and courtesy we could all get our testing done on the same server, but you folks don't want to share so it's one or the other, which is unfortunate.
We are not asking for it to be PvP to be turned off, we have only asked for respect and to be left alone, and you folks refuse to honor that request which leave PvE with only one option, wait until PvP is turned off again.
We are willing to let you PvP each other, why can't you let us PvE?
It is an unrealistic expectation to ask PVP'ers to not fight PVE players when we have no way to tell a PVE player from a PVP player on the server.

You are going to beat this drum to death aren't you?

Ok, simple solution to your problem, make your surname pvper or some such descriptor, that way you leave the PvE alone.

If I had the slimmest hope of you folk honoring an honor system I'd log on Right_Now and change my name to PvEer, but we all know that would just be chumming the waters for you folk wouldnt' it?

But if all else fails I guess public channels could work, but I doubt a solution is what you are after, more like excuses.

Enjoy it while it lasts, but enjoy it without us throwing ourselves at your feet for your enjoyment.

Lleren · 09-07-2009, 05:14 AM

Bratface wrote:

Svetlanavera@Nagafen wrote:
Bratface wrote:
Actually people are not complaining about it being PvP, they, and I, are unhappy that we cannot get along and be left alone to do our thing in our own way.
It isn't the server, it's people who abuse the fact that PvE people are easy targets to gank and can't or won't respect people enough to allow them to PvE.
If you PvP people showed respect to PvE players who do not want to PvP then we wouldn't be having any troubles at all.
PvP attacking PvE who do not want to be attacked reminds me of a saying "just because you can do a thing, doesn't mean you should". If PvP people showed some restraint and courtesy we could all get our testing done on the same server, but you folks don't want to share so it's one or the other, which is unfortunate.
We are not asking for it to be PvP to be turned off, we have only asked for respect and to be left alone, and you folks refuse to honor that request which leave PvE with only one option, wait until PvP is turned off again.
We are willing to let you PvP each other, why can't you let us PvE?
It is an unrealistic expectation to ask PVP'ers to not fight PVE players when we have no way to tell a PVE player from a PVP player on the server.
You are going to beat this drum to death aren't you?
Ok, simple solution to your problem, make your surname pvper or some such descriptor, that way you leave the PvE alone.
If I had the slimmest hope of you folk honoring an honor system I'd log on Right_Now and change my name to PvEer, but we all know that would just be chumming the waters for you folk wouldnt' it?
But if all else fails I guess public channels could work, but I doubt a solution is what you are after, more like excuses.
Enjoy it while it lasts, but enjoy it without us throwing ourselves at your feet for your enjoyment.

I play PvE. The pvper argument holds more water to me, part of that may be the size of the text and use of bold throughout.

They need to test as well.

One other point, it is very obvious thats it has become a pvp server when you log in, by continueing to play on a pvp enabled server you have given prior consent to any pvp activities you find yourself engaged in. The pvper is following the server ruleset in these instances, and is doing the "right" thing.

SirDinadan · 09-07-2009, 09:34 AM

Llyren@Kithicor wrote:

I play PvE. The pvper argument holds more water to me, part of that may be the size of the text and use of bold throughout.
They need to test as well.
One other point, it is very obvious thats it has become a pvp server when you log in, by continueing to play on a pvp enabled server you have given prior consent to any pvp activities you find yourself engaged in. The pvper is following the server ruleset in these instances, and is doing the "right" thing.

Your two points seemingly cancel each other out. If PVPers need to test.. which, after all, is the entire point of Test_Copy.. then exactly what gets tested ganking folks who don't make any attempt to fight back?

I believe the main issue here is that the game is about to receive a major update, and that update includes features that really intrigue the casual PVEer into finding out how it will affect their main characters. With an unfortunately-timed PVP-enabled Test_Copy the only option, we are seeing the resulting culture shock in this thread.

Based on the postings here, the same issues that divide people between playing PVE or PVP also divide them on seeing common ground in a debate. Perhaps the PVP server merge will provide an outlet to resolve this issue by designating permanent Test_Copy versions for both playstyles.

Wingrider01 · 09-07-2009, 09:57 AM

Borias@Nagafen wrote:

Wingrider01 wrote:
Borias@Nagafen wrote:
Wingrider01 wrote:
no PVP is not my cup of tea, did it for to long in real life
*snipped*
I am attempting to put forth the idea that this is NOT about PVP environment or PVE environment, this is about respect and cooperation between two different mondsets of players - go ahead and "test" your PVP changes, but repsect and cooperate with your fellow player's that are NOT trying to deal with the PVP changes but are trying to deal with the PVE changes that affect their gaming style - which 99.999999 (lets go six-sigma on this) of the pvp players that are over there. Once more bluntly stated - The point of the discussion is NOT, repeat NOT about it being a PVP or PVE environment, this is about the RESPECT, repeat RESPECT and UNDERSTANDING, repeat UNDERSTANDING of the pvp style player of leaving the pve player alone when they are trying to test things that affect their style, abosoluteing NOTHING, repeat NOTHING is being referenced against the the flagging on the server.
Again, you either miss or deliberately misunderstand the purpose of the comment, it was a refernce to why I do not prefer to play PVP that takes place in a disconnected virtual environment, to satisfy your couriosity - no I did not ask them, I killed them, in the military, and in law enforcement after the military. That was NOT the point of the reference
In closing - have fun "testing" your changes, personally will refrain from doing any higher end testing of the game until the understanding of the player, NOT the environment changes, if I want to check something out in a starting city, will roll a level 1 and check it out. I am curious though, would love to have SOE post the number of bug reports that come in from each genre of player style.
At the end of the day - I give up, your mindset is completely contrary to the discussion - an it has a narrow focus. This is NOT about the enviroment, it is about the mentality and cooperation of the player, and there is nothing that can be done about it, the environment can be changed easiy, the player attitude and mentaility cannot
Actually, respect and cooperation the way you're putting it means that basically it would be pve, because I think maybe 1 or 2 posts have pve server people saying they enjoy pvp, a few have actual mechanics issues that need to be fixed, and the rest are all saying that they are gonna either take their ball and go home because they got killed, or are flat out refusing to even try.
I have suggested several times that perhaps the way to do it is either have 1-2 zones pvp enabled, or just disable pvp for the new testing zones, but leave it in everywhere else.
You claim that I have a narrow focus, but you're the one saying that you're refusing to even TEST things because you can be attacked in pvp. Why not take the plunge full force and see if you like it? The best enemy is the one that doesn't have a script, but change in what they do.

Yes I refuse to test anything if I am able to be attack by a player, I prefer to concentrate on what I am doing, have some widget walk up behind me andgank (I think that is the current "cool" term for blindsiding someone) me because they get a thrill out of wiping out a virtual character does not interest me in the least, gargling with hydrocloric acid holds more of my interest then anonomous attacks on other players.

As said over and over again ad nauseum - this is not about the environment, this is about the respect, consideration and attitude of the PVP player that is trying to "test" the pvp changes towards the ones that have no interest in those changes. That is the point you do not seem to understand.

SOE does not have to do anything to accomplish this - this is something the PVP player has to do, period.

Cigam · 09-07-2009, 10:47 AM

I stick strictly to SS for PVP. I have made 2k plat in the last 4 days from those PVErs that dont want to test pvp but attack me while i am sitting there LOL. I can see it now....

scout thinks "Ooh look some poor little mage just sitting there"

Scout dies and loses 1073 plat

True story LOL

Trellium · 09-07-2009, 11:39 AM

I don't understand why the PvP-enabled thing doesn't trigger based on which server you come from. If you come from a PvP server, then that's how you exist on Test. If you come from a PvE, then that's the state of your character as well.

Or, make specific zones PvP or PvE. That is fine too.

But, I won't be testing on a PvP Test server. I had wanted to but looking at this thread makes me think that it's unlikely I will get any real testing done and that the time taken to test-copy plus patching to the test environment just aren't worth it.

SumOldMan · 09-07-2009, 12:00 PM

Isnt there a really simple solution now that the priests of discord have returned?

Simply make it a PVE server and if you want to enable yourself for PVP, use the PoD to do so.

Karrane1 · 09-07-2009, 12:12 PM

Ya.. your name turns RED and there ya go!!!

Tabrina · 09-07-2009, 12:35 PM

I have noticed that there are even a few players that at first I noticed were evil based toons when I first logged into the pvp test server now they have exiled so that they can attack anyone, thats just a bit ridiculous imo. When is this server going to be back to pve based? Im not logging it and testing till it is.

Brimestar · 09-07-2009, 12:39 PM

Bratface wrote:

Borias@Nagafen wrote:
Bratface wrote:
Svetlanavera@Nagafen wrote:
The attitude many of us pvp'ers have at this point in these threads is because we are tired of seeing pve'ers complaining up one side and down the other because test_copy is pvp for a little while.
Actually people are not complaining about it being PvP, they, and I, are unhappy that we cannot get along and be left alone to do our thing in our own way.
It isn't the server, it's people who abuse the fact that PvE people are easy targets to gank and can't or won't respect people enough to allow them to PvE.
If you PvP people showed respect to PvE players who do not want to PvP then we wouldn't be having any troubles at all.
PvP attacking PvE who do not want to be attacked reminds me of a saying "just because you can do a thing, doesn't mean you should". If PvP people showed some restraint and courtesy we could all get our testing done on the same server, but you folks don't want to share so it's one or the other, which is unfortunate.
We are not asking for it to be PvP to be turned off, we have only asked for respect and to be left alone, and you folks refuse to honor that request which leave PvE with only one option, wait until PvP is turned off again.
We are willing to let you PvP each other, why can't you let us PvE?
Actually, the majority are complaining about it being PVP. If you're an easy target, spend a little time and learn to pvp better. You probably will enjoy fighting an enemy that isn't tank n spank.
You actually are asking for it to be turned off. You want 90% of the playerbase to be left alone, at all times, on a current pvp server.
PVP players pve as well, why can't you guys give it a try and kill people too instead of throwing in the towel before even getting to the ring?
If PvE is 90% of the players on copy now then there isn't much real of a PvP community there.
And stop telling us to come PvP, or how it will make us better player, you insult us at every chance and it's really old.
We play just fine and we don't need to PvP to enjoy the game
If you have an inabilty to test PvP without ganking PvE players then that is a shortcoming of the PvP community and not one that the PvE community should be burdened with compensating for.
No matter what you say it does not change the fact that ganking is what is taking place and that PvP refuses to respect any playstyle choice other than their own.
Not one person has ever told you to PvE to be a better player, or called PvP lazy or whiners etc, too bad the same cannot be said about PvP folks. It's downright shameful.

You're right, but its the PVE community that is getting into the "spirit" of it all...For those who had been curious about it, but didn't want to re-roll...This is their time.

Bratface · 09-07-2009, 01:13 PM

Brimestar wrote:

You're right, but its the PVE community that is getting into the "spirit" of it all...

LOL is that what you call it now? Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.

Rrec · 09-07-2009, 01:48 PM

So how do you know when your being attackd by a pvp server based person or a pve server based person?

I see alot of hate toward the pvp'ers for being the gankers, when you dont know who they are or where they are from. For all you know the guy killing you 17 times in a row was your guildy from your blue server that copied his alt over traked you down and did that.

Oh and you know people from PVP server also test bluebie content......

TBH any true tester would want to test ALL the changes to the game. not just be here to figure out the quests and then be the 1st one on your server to diso new items (we know your secret).

LOVE THE RAGE THO.

sirmoosealot · 09-07-2009, 07:31 PM

i understand where both PvP players and PvE players are coming from, i really think sony should just add a beta buffer temporarily to the normal test so people who dont do PvP can test it there way. Taking PvP off of the test copy would not be fair to those who are PvP testers.

But readin every post it really is not necessary to insult eachother because we all have our own way to play the game, doesnt mean we have to insult others because they play different. it isnt the PvP players fault for the test server becoming a pvp server so why take out our anger on them?

Another thing to add. theres a difference in People who are here to actually test the new content with PVP then the ones who come on test not to test the new stuff but just to grief others for the fun of it. so people if you arent here to test the new game update and how it affects the PvP servers please just go grieve people on your own live servers and not waste peoples time who are actually testing the new content.

Nakaru-Nitepaw · 09-07-2009, 07:46 PM

Svetlanavera@Nagafen wrote:

You want respect from the PVP community. Fine, but you need to turn around and give the PVP community that same respect.

I agree to that. I've tried to show patiance because i know not all PvPers are the kind that i identified a few pages back. Which is why i created a topic requesting a 3rd test server for PvE testing so that PvP players can keep test_copy. Sure they may change test_copy back to PvE soon, but there still needs to be a 3rd server for PvP if so. This way we can all test the new content.

Borias · 09-08-2009, 03:32 AM

I'm going to cross post from the other thread, just so people can read it here that are extremely shortsighted.

I've posted it before, but here it is again- the fix that would basically work for the test copy server.

First- keep it pvp.

Second- implement a very quick and simple way for people to switch factions, so they can group with their guildies that copied over from a blue server. Faster than exiling. Something like a NPC only on test outside the gates that does it for you, with no loss of spells.

Third- Any zone that is *currently* under new testing has pvp disabled. That means if there is a new instance, the zone it is in is disabled. If there is a new big revamp or quest area, it's disabled for that zone.

3.1- Any other zone is considered fair game and pvp enabled. There's no reason to *need* no pvp in zones that have nothing new in them. You can do all that legwork on your own server. But real, legitimate new testing areas should be pvp free, and let people run around everywhere else and kill folk.

Fourth- Any new pvp items should be buyable with 1 token, or free, so you can test them immediately. It's not like you keep the items forever anyways.

Is any of that unreasonable? Both rulesets can co-exist on copy test, the actual 'pure' testers wouldn't step inside a non testing zone anyways, and they can go everywhere else to pvp and play with that, see if they like it, and test that aspect.

Te'ana · 09-08-2009, 10:02 AM

I like your spirit of compromise, but I do see a flaw in it. How would a PvE player get to a new zone without being killed by a team of PvPers ambushing someone on their way to the testing zone? Perhaps the best alternative is to make PvEers untouchable by PvPers via an SOE character flag of some sort that puts a halo over their heads (pun intended).

Kiara · 09-08-2009, 01:48 PM

* sigh * Folks, I've had to lock too many of these threads.

Let me remind you that I require civil and polite/respectful discussion on the forums. That means that attacking each other over a difference in play style preference is not permitted.

Let's not have any more of these threads, if you please.

Thank you.

09-06-2009, 08:49 PM	#91
Borias Server: Venekor Guild: Shadows of Storm Rank: Lord of Shadows Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts: 621	Wingrider01 wrote: Borias@Nagafen wrote: Wingrider01 wrote: no PVP is not my cup of tea, did it for to long in real life snipped I am attempting to put forth the idea that this is NOT about PVP environment or PVE environment, this is about respect and cooperation between two different mondsets of players - go ahead and "test" your PVP changes, but repsect and cooperate with your fellow player's that are NOT trying to deal with the PVP changes but are trying to deal with the PVE changes that affect their gaming style - which 99.999999 (lets go six-sigma on this) of the pvp players that are over there. Once more bluntly stated - The point of the discussion is NOT, repeat NOT about it being a PVP or PVE environment, this is about the RESPECT, repeat RESPECT and UNDERSTANDING, repeat UNDERSTANDING of the pvp style player of leaving the pve player alone when they are trying to test things that affect their style, abosoluteing NOTHING, repeat NOTHING is being referenced against the the flagging on the server. Again, you either miss or deliberately misunderstand the purpose of the comment, it was a refernce to why I do not prefer to play PVP that takes place in a disconnected virtual environment, to satisfy your couriosity - no I did not ask them, I killed them, in the military, and in law enforcement after the military. That was NOT the point of the reference In closing - have fun "testing" your changes, personally will refrain from doing any higher end testing of the game until the understanding of the player, NOT the environment changes, if I want to check something out in a starting city, will roll a level 1 and check it out. I am curious though, would love to have SOE post the number of bug reports that come in from each genre of player style. At the end of the day - I give up, your mindset is completely contrary to the discussion - an it has a narrow focus. This is NOT about the enviroment, it is about the mentality and cooperation of the player, and there is nothing that can be done about it, the environment can be changed easiy, the player attitude and mentaility cannot Actually, respect and cooperation the way you're putting it means that basically it would be pve, because I think maybe 1 or 2 posts have pve server people saying they enjoy pvp, a few have actual mechanics issues that need to be fixed, and the rest are all saying that they are gonna either take their ball and go home because they got killed, or are flat out refusing to even try. I have suggested several times that perhaps the way to do it is either have 1-2 zones pvp enabled, or just disable pvp for the new testing zones, but leave it in everywhere else. You claim that I have a narrow focus, but you're the one saying that you're refusing to even TEST things because you can be attacked in pvp. Why not take the plunge full force and see if you like it? The best enemy is the one that doesn't have a script, but change in what they do.

09-06-2009, 08:55 PM	#92
Borias Server: Venekor Guild: Shadows of Storm Rank: Lord of Shadows Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts: 621	Bratface wrote: Svetlanavera@Nagafen wrote: The attitude many of us pvp'ers have at this point in these threads is because we are tired of seeing pve'ers complaining up one side and down the other because test_copy is pvp for a little while. Actually people are not complaining about it being PvP, they, and I, are unhappy that we cannot get along and be left alone to do our thing in our own way. It isn't the server, it's people who abuse the fact that PvE people are easy targets to gank and can't or won't respect people enough to allow them to PvE. If you PvP people showed respect to PvE players who do not want to PvP then we wouldn't be having any troubles at all. PvP attacking PvE who do not want to be attacked reminds me of a saying "just because you can do a thing, doesn't mean you should". If PvP people showed some restraint and courtesy we could all get our testing done on the same server, but you folks don't want to share so it's one or the other, which is unfortunate. We are not asking for it to be PvP to be turned off, we have only asked for respect and to be left alone, and you folks refuse to honor that request which leave PvE with only one option, wait until PvP is turned off again. We are willing to let you PvP each other, why can't you let us PvE? Actually, the majority are complaining about it being PVP. If you're an easy target, spend a little time and learn to pvp better. You probably will enjoy fighting an enemy that isn't tank n spank. You actually are asking for it to be turned off. You want 90% of the playerbase to be left alone, at all times, on a current pvp server. PVP players pve as well, why can't you guys give it a try and kill people too instead of throwing in the towel before even getting to the ring?

09-06-2009, 09:35 PM	#93
Bratface Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,227	Borias@Nagafen wrote: Bratface wrote: Svetlanavera@Nagafen wrote: The attitude many of us pvp'ers have at this point in these threads is because we are tired of seeing pve'ers complaining up one side and down the other because test_copy is pvp for a little while. Actually people are not complaining about it being PvP, they, and I, are unhappy that we cannot get along and be left alone to do our thing in our own way. It isn't the server, it's people who abuse the fact that PvE people are easy targets to gank and can't or won't respect people enough to allow them to PvE. If you PvP people showed respect to PvE players who do not want to PvP then we wouldn't be having any troubles at all. PvP attacking PvE who do not want to be attacked reminds me of a saying "just because you can do a thing, doesn't mean you should". If PvP people showed some restraint and courtesy we could all get our testing done on the same server, but you folks don't want to share so it's one or the other, which is unfortunate. We are not asking for it to be PvP to be turned off, we have only asked for respect and to be left alone, and you folks refuse to honor that request which leave PvE with only one option, wait until PvP is turned off again. We are willing to let you PvP each other, why can't you let us PvE? Actually, the majority are complaining about it being PVP. If you're an easy target, spend a little time and learn to pvp better. You probably will enjoy fighting an enemy that isn't tank n spank. You actually are asking for it to be turned off. You want 90% of the playerbase to be left alone, at all times, on a current pvp server. PVP players pve as well, why can't you guys give it a try and kill people too instead of throwing in the towel before even getting to the ring? If PvE is 90% of the players on copy now then there isn't much real of a PvP community there. And stop telling us to come PvP, or how it will make us better player, you insult us at every chance and it's really old. We play just fine and we don't need to PvP to enjoy the game If you have an inabilty to test PvP without ganking PvE players then that is a shortcoming of the PvP community and not one that the PvE community should be burdened with compensating for. No matter what you say it does not change the fact that ganking is what is taking place and that PvP refuses to respect any playstyle choice other than their own. Not one person has ever told you to PvE to be a better player, or called PvP lazy or whiners etc, too bad the same cannot be said about PvP folks. It's downright shameful.

09-06-2009, 09:55 PM	#95
Andok Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,039	Borias@Nagafen wrote: Andok wrote: Once the all important testing of PVP ganking unsuspecting PvE players is done, please change Test Copy back to PvE so everyone else can test the new content with their live (copy) characters. But, please, take your time - I know how important it is to test ganking PvE players is for a PvP server. I guarantee to you that if you take just a little bit of time and learn your characters pvp style, it will help you in pve. And one of the most primary rules of pvp- if you're getting griefed, get help! Are you testing exclusively solo content? Bring friends! PVP isn't some sort of form of leprosy to be avoided, it's another facet of the game. Take the opportunity to buff the snot out of your toons and try it. You might even like it. I love PvP in games like Planetside, but I am completely not interested in PvP in games like EQ. I tried it, and I didn't like it. Sorry... when I'm in the mood for PvP, I'll log into a PvP game that pits skill vs skill (Planetside), not level/equipment vs level/equipment (EQ).

09-06-2009, 09:56 PM	#96
Borias Server: Venekor Guild: Shadows of Storm Rank: Lord of Shadows Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts: 621	Andok wrote: Borias@Nagafen wrote: Andok wrote: Once the all important testing of PVP ganking unsuspecting PvE players is done, please change Test Copy back to PvE so everyone else can test the new content with their live (copy) characters. But, please, take your time - I know how important it is to test ganking PvE players is for a PvP server. I guarantee to you that if you take just a little bit of time and learn your characters pvp style, it will help you in pve. And one of the most primary rules of pvp- if you're getting griefed, get help! Are you testing exclusively solo content? Bring friends! PVP isn't some sort of form of leprosy to be avoided, it's another facet of the game. Take the opportunity to buff the snot out of your toons and try it. You might even like it. I love PvP in games like Planetside, but I am completely not interested in PvP in games like EQ. I tried it, and I didn't like it. Sorry... when I'm in the mood for PvP, I'll log into a PvP game that pits skill vs skill (Planetside), not level/equipment vs level/equipment (EQ). Isn't there still a beta buffer?....... You'd be surprised how much skill is involved when it isn't mindless zerg wars.

09-06-2009, 09:51 PM	#94
Borias Server: Venekor Guild: Shadows of Storm Rank: Lord of Shadows Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts: 621	So what's plain shameful is how you have 95% of the community, and the crying and complaining here and just plain "I can't have it my way, so I refuse to play" snubness is so high and mighty, I can't believe you can see anyone from your pedestal way up there. If it's really 90% pve and 10% pvp on there, then there should be no issue at all being ganked. Find a friend or 6, show em up. And we are refusing to respect your decision to only pve? HELLO SIR ITS A PVP SERVER LEARN TO DEAL WITH IT. By all means, put in a /feedback, talk to a gm to switch it, but just ***ing on the forums is a good way to look like an idiot because you refuse to learn and adapt to the ruleset you're choosing to play on. Let me say that again. You're choosing** to play on a server that has the pvp rules on it, and complaining about the pvp rules. /boggle.

09-06-2009, 10:00 PM	#97
Andok Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,039	Borias@Nagafen wrote: Andok wrote: Borias@Nagafen wrote: Andok wrote: Once the all important testing of PVP ganking unsuspecting PvE players is done, please change Test Copy back to PvE so everyone else can test the new content with their live (copy) characters. But, please, take your time - I know how important it is to test ganking PvE players is for a PvP server. I guarantee to you that if you take just a little bit of time and learn your characters pvp style, it will help you in pve. And one of the most primary rules of pvp- if you're getting griefed, get help! Are you testing exclusively solo content? Bring friends! PVP isn't some sort of form of leprosy to be avoided, it's another facet of the game. Take the opportunity to buff the snot out of your toons and try it. You might even like it. I love PvP in games like Planetside, but I am completely not interested in PvP in games like EQ. I tried it, and I didn't like it. Sorry... when I'm in the mood for PvP, I'll log into a PvP game that pits skill vs skill (Planetside), not level/equipment vs level/equipment (EQ). Isn't there still a beta buffer?....... You'd be surprised how much skill is involved when it isn't mindless zerg wars. I think the buffers are still down.

09-06-2009, 10:11 PM	#98
Svetty Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 162	Bratface wrote: Actually people are not complaining about it being PvP, they, and I, are unhappy that we cannot get along and be left alone to do our thing in our own way. It isn't the server, it's people who abuse the fact that PvE people are easy targets to gank and can't or won't respect people enough to allow them to PvE. If you PvP people showed respect to PvE players who do not want to PvP then we wouldn't be having any troubles at all. PvP attacking PvE who do not want to be attacked reminds me of a saying "just because you can do a thing, doesn't mean you should". If PvP people showed some restraint and courtesy we could all get our testing done on the same server, but you folks don't want to share so it's one or the other, which is unfortunate. We are not asking for it to be PvP to be turned off, we have only asked for respect and to be left alone, and you folks refuse to honor that request which leave PvE with only one option, wait until PvP is turned off again. We are willing to let you PvP each other, why can't you let us PvE? It is an unrealistic expectation to ask PVP'ers to not fight PVE players when we have no way to tell a PVE player from a PVP player on the server. __________________

09-06-2009, 11:17 PM	#99
Hecula Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 422	Gungo wrote: I am a pve'er who despises the fact a bunch of whiny pve'ers are complaining about pvp people testing thier content.I personally have a level 36 alt on test and i have copies on test_copy (now pvp). I saw the developer posts stating the change and I am completely for pvp people able to test thier content. If i want to not be involved in pvp i will play my test toon. But the fact is this bunch of whiny self centered pve'ers who troll and whine the forums because they don't get thier way and make threats of "I refuse to ever test" is sickening at best. How grown adults can act like immature children and stomp thier feet is quite litterally sad. Not sure if I would be making these sorts of comments. They were the exact reason why the previous thread about the ruleset was locked and there may be some consequences for attacks such as this.

09-06-2009, 11:45 PM	#100
Te'ana Tester Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 1,807	Andok wrote: Once the all important testing of PVP ganking unsuspecting PvE players is done, please change Test Copy back to PvE so everyone else can test the new content with their live (copy) characters. But, please, take your time - I know how important it is to test ganking PvE players is for a PvP server. /nods agreement

09-06-2009, 11:50 PM	#101
Maroger Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,313	Lateana@The Bazaar wrote: Andok wrote: Once the all important testing of PVP ganking unsuspecting PvE players is done, please change Test Copy back to PvE so everyone else can test the new content with their live (copy) characters. But, please, take your time - I know how important it is to test ganking PvE players is for a PvP server. /nods agreement Applauds -- well said. Will test when the server goes back to PVE. I don't even log on.

09-07-2009, 12:25 AM	#102
Paikis Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,254	Lateana@The Bazaar wrote: Andok wrote: Once the all important testing of PVP ganking unsuspecting PvE players is done, please change Test Copy back to PvE so everyone else can test the new content with their live (copy) characters. But, please, take your time - I know how important it is to test ganking PvE players is for a PvP server. /nods agreement You're right, its very important. Its so vitally important infact that I propose we leave the PvP test server exactly how it is. __________________ Kaelas, Necromancer Valindor, Templar Paikis, Troubador Ashk, Berserker Mirbolt, Shadowknight

09-07-2009, 01:03 AM	#103
Bratface Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,227	Svetlanavera@Nagafen wrote: Bratface wrote: Actually people are not complaining about it being PvP, they, and I, are unhappy that we cannot get along and be left alone to do our thing in our own way. It isn't the server, it's people who abuse the fact that PvE people are easy targets to gank and can't or won't respect people enough to allow them to PvE. If you PvP people showed respect to PvE players who do not want to PvP then we wouldn't be having any troubles at all. PvP attacking PvE who do not want to be attacked reminds me of a saying "just because you can do a thing, doesn't mean you should". If PvP people showed some restraint and courtesy we could all get our testing done on the same server, but you folks don't want to share so it's one or the other, which is unfortunate. We are not asking for it to be PvP to be turned off, we have only asked for respect and to be left alone, and you folks refuse to honor that request which leave PvE with only one option, wait until PvP is turned off again. We are willing to let you PvP each other, why can't you let us PvE? It is an unrealistic expectation to ask PVP'ers to not fight PVE players when we have no way to tell a PVE player from a PVP player on the server. You are going to beat this drum to death aren't you? Ok, simple solution to your problem, make your surname pvper or some such descriptor, that way you leave the PvE alone. If I had the slimmest hope of you folk honoring an honor system I'd log on Right_Now and change my name to PvEer, but we all know that would just be chumming the waters for you folk wouldnt' it? But if all else fails I guess public channels could work, but I doubt a solution is what you are after, more like excuses. Enjoy it while it lasts, but enjoy it without us throwing ourselves at your feet for your enjoyment.

09-07-2009, 05:14 AM	#104
Lleren Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 678	Bratface wrote: Svetlanavera@Nagafen wrote: Bratface wrote: Actually people are not complaining about it being PvP, they, and I, are unhappy that we cannot get along and be left alone to do our thing in our own way. It isn't the server, it's people who abuse the fact that PvE people are easy targets to gank and can't or won't respect people enough to allow them to PvE. If you PvP people showed respect to PvE players who do not want to PvP then we wouldn't be having any troubles at all. PvP attacking PvE who do not want to be attacked reminds me of a saying "just because you can do a thing, doesn't mean you should". If PvP people showed some restraint and courtesy we could all get our testing done on the same server, but you folks don't want to share so it's one or the other, which is unfortunate. We are not asking for it to be PvP to be turned off, we have only asked for respect and to be left alone, and you folks refuse to honor that request which leave PvE with only one option, wait until PvP is turned off again. We are willing to let you PvP each other, why can't you let us PvE? It is an unrealistic expectation to ask PVP'ers to not fight PVE players when we have no way to tell a PVE player from a PVP player on the server. You are going to beat this drum to death aren't you? Ok, simple solution to your problem, make your surname pvper or some such descriptor, that way you leave the PvE alone. If I had the slimmest hope of you folk honoring an honor system I'd log on Right_Now and change my name to PvEer, but we all know that would just be chumming the waters for you folk wouldnt' it? But if all else fails I guess public channels could work, but I doubt a solution is what you are after, more like excuses. Enjoy it while it lasts, but enjoy it without us throwing ourselves at your feet for your enjoyment. I play PvE. The pvper argument holds more water to me, part of that may be the size of the text and use of bold throughout. They need to test as well. One other point, it is very obvious thats it has become a pvp server when you log in, by continueing to play on a pvp enabled server you have given prior consent to any pvp activities you find yourself engaged in. The pvper is following the server ruleset in these instances, and is doing the "right" thing. __________________ Llyren, Martn, and Noih hunting for cheese in all the wrong places.

09-07-2009, 09:34 AM	#105
SirDinadan Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 195	Llyren@Kithicor wrote: I play PvE. The pvper argument holds more water to me, part of that may be the size of the text and use of bold throughout. They need to test as well. One other point, it is very obvious thats it has become a pvp server when you log in, by continueing to play on a pvp enabled server you have given prior consent to any pvp activities you find yourself engaged in. The pvper is following the server ruleset in these instances, and is doing the "right" thing. Your two points seemingly cancel each other out. If PVPers need to test.. which, after all, is the entire point of Test_Copy.. then exactly what gets tested ganking folks who don't make any attempt to fight back? I believe the main issue here is that the game is about to receive a major update, and that update includes features that really intrigue the casual PVEer into finding out how it will affect their main characters. With an unfortunately-timed PVP-enabled Test_Copy the only option, we are seeing the resulting culture shock in this thread. Based on the postings here, the same issues that divide people between playing PVE or PVP also divide them on seeing common ground in a debate. Perhaps the PVP server merge will provide an outlet to resolve this issue by designating permanent Test_Copy versions for both playstyles.

09-07-2009, 09:57 AM	#106
Wingrider01 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,999	Borias@Nagafen wrote: Wingrider01 wrote: Borias@Nagafen wrote: Wingrider01 wrote: no PVP is not my cup of tea, did it for to long in real life snipped I am attempting to put forth the idea that this is NOT about PVP environment or PVE environment, this is about respect and cooperation between two different mondsets of players - go ahead and "test" your PVP changes, but repsect and cooperate with your fellow player's that are NOT trying to deal with the PVP changes but are trying to deal with the PVE changes that affect their gaming style - which 99.999999 (lets go six-sigma on this) of the pvp players that are over there. Once more bluntly stated - The point of the discussion is NOT, repeat NOT about it being a PVP or PVE environment, this is about the RESPECT, repeat RESPECT and UNDERSTANDING, repeat UNDERSTANDING of the pvp style player of leaving the pve player alone when they are trying to test things that affect their style, abosoluteing NOTHING, repeat NOTHING is being referenced against the the flagging on the server. Again, you either miss or deliberately misunderstand the purpose of the comment, it was a refernce to why I do not prefer to play PVP that takes place in a disconnected virtual environment, to satisfy your couriosity - no I did not ask them, I killed them, in the military, and in law enforcement after the military. That was NOT the point of the reference In closing - have fun "testing" your changes, personally will refrain from doing any higher end testing of the game until the understanding of the player, NOT the environment changes, if I want to check something out in a starting city, will roll a level 1 and check it out. I am curious though, would love to have SOE post the number of bug reports that come in from each genre of player style. At the end of the day - I give up, your mindset is completely contrary to the discussion - an it has a narrow focus. This is NOT about the enviroment, it is about the mentality and cooperation of the player, and there is nothing that can be done about it, the environment can be changed easiy, the player attitude and mentaility cannot Actually, respect and cooperation the way you're putting it means that basically it would be pve, because I think maybe 1 or 2 posts have pve server people saying they enjoy pvp, a few have actual mechanics issues that need to be fixed, and the rest are all saying that they are gonna either take their ball and go home because they got killed, or are flat out refusing to even try. I have suggested several times that perhaps the way to do it is either have 1-2 zones pvp enabled, or just disable pvp for the new testing zones, but leave it in everywhere else. You claim that I have a narrow focus, but you're the one saying that you're refusing to even TEST things because you can be attacked in pvp. Why not take the plunge full force and see if you like it? The best enemy is the one that doesn't have a script, but change in what they do. Yes I refuse to test anything if I am able to be attack by a player, I prefer to concentrate on what I am doing, have some widget walk up behind me andgank (I think that is the current "cool" term for blindsiding someone) me because they get a thrill out of wiping out a virtual character does not interest me in the least, gargling with hydrocloric acid holds more of my interest then anonomous attacks on other players. As said over and over again ad nauseum - this is *not about the environment*, this is about the respect, consideration and attitude of the PVP player that is trying to "test" the pvp changes towards the ones that have no interest in those changes. That is the point you do not seem to understand. SOE does not have to do anything to accomplish this - this is something the PVP player has to do, period. __________________ Fixing computer issues, one SOC7 at a time. Yes Jim, the user has experienced the dreaded PICNIC error

09-07-2009, 10:47 AM	#107
Cigam Server: Venekor Guild: Eyes Of Darkness Rank: Officer Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Virginia Beach VA Posts: 285	I stick strictly to SS for PVP. I have made 2k plat in the last 4 days from those PVErs that dont want to test pvp but attack me while i am sitting there LOL. I can see it now.... scout thinks "Ooh look some poor little mage just sitting there" Scout dies and loses 1073 plat True story LOL __________________

09-07-2009, 11:39 AM	#108
Trellium Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 747	I don't understand why the PvP-enabled thing doesn't trigger based on which server you come from. If you come from a PvP server, then that's how you exist on Test. If you come from a PvE, then that's the state of your character as well. Or, make specific zones PvP or PvE. That is fine too. But, I won't be testing on a PvP Test server. I had wanted to but looking at this thread makes me think that it's unlikely I will get any real testing done and that the time taken to test-copy plus patching to the test environment just aren't worth it.

09-07-2009, 12:00 PM	#109
SumOldMan Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 48	Isnt there a really simple solution now that the priests of discord have returned? Simply make it a PVE server and if you want to enable yourself for PVP, use the PoD to do so.

09-07-2009, 12:12 PM	#110
Karrane1 Tester Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,055	Ya.. your name turns RED and there ya go!!! __________________

09-07-2009, 12:35 PM	#111
Tabrina Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 30	I have noticed that there are even a few players that at first I noticed were evil based toons when I first logged into the pvp test server now they have exiled so that they can attack anyone, thats just a bit ridiculous imo. When is this server going to be back to pve based? Im not logging it and testing till it is.

09-07-2009, 12:39 PM	#112
Brimestar Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Ft Lauderdale, FL (USA) Posts: 883	Bratface wrote: Borias@Nagafen wrote: Bratface wrote: Svetlanavera@Nagafen wrote: The attitude many of us pvp'ers have at this point in these threads is because we are tired of seeing pve'ers complaining up one side and down the other because test_copy is pvp for a little while. Actually people are not complaining about it being PvP, they, and I, are unhappy that we cannot get along and be left alone to do our thing in our own way. It isn't the server, it's people who abuse the fact that PvE people are easy targets to gank and can't or won't respect people enough to allow them to PvE. If you PvP people showed respect to PvE players who do not want to PvP then we wouldn't be having any troubles at all. PvP attacking PvE who do not want to be attacked reminds me of a saying "just because you can do a thing, doesn't mean you should". If PvP people showed some restraint and courtesy we could all get our testing done on the same server, but you folks don't want to share so it's one or the other, which is unfortunate. We are not asking for it to be PvP to be turned off, we have only asked for respect and to be left alone, and you folks refuse to honor that request which leave PvE with only one option, wait until PvP is turned off again. We are willing to let you PvP each other, why can't you let us PvE? Actually, the majority are complaining about it being PVP. If you're an easy target, spend a little time and learn to pvp better. You probably will enjoy fighting an enemy that isn't tank n spank. You actually are asking for it to be turned off. You want 90% of the playerbase to be left alone, at all times, on a current pvp server. PVP players pve as well, why can't you guys give it a try and kill people too instead of throwing in the towel before even getting to the ring? If PvE is 90% of the players on copy now then there isn't much real of a PvP community there. And stop telling us to come PvP, or how it will make us better player, you insult us at every chance and it's really old. We play just fine and we don't need to PvP to enjoy the game If you have an inabilty to test PvP without ganking PvE players then that is a shortcoming of the PvP community and not one that the PvE community should be burdened with compensating for. No matter what you say it does not change the fact that ganking is what is taking place and that PvP refuses to respect any playstyle choice other than their own. Not one person has ever told you to PvE to be a better player, or called PvP lazy or whiners etc, too bad the same cannot be said about PvP folks. It's downright shameful. You're right, but its the PVE community that is getting into the "spirit" of it all...For those who had been curious about it, but didn't want to re-roll...This is their time. __________________ Create your Profile at MyArmedForces.com.

09-07-2009, 01:13 PM	#113
Bratface Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,227	Brimestar wrote: You're right, but its the PVE community that is getting into the "spirit" of it all... LOL is that what you call it now? Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.

09-07-2009, 01:48 PM	#114
Rrec Server: Nagafen Guild: Arcadia Rank: Aussie Girls General Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 8	So how do you know when your being attackd by a pvp server based person or a pve server based person? I see alot of hate toward the pvp'ers for being the gankers, when you dont know who they are or where they are from. For all you know the guy killing you 17 times in a row was your guildy from your blue server that copied his alt over traked you down and did that. Oh and you know people from PVP server also test bluebie content...... TBH any true tester would want to test ALL the changes to the game. not just be here to figure out the quests and then be the 1st one on your server to diso new items (we know your secret). LOVE THE RAGE THO. __________________

09-07-2009, 07:31 PM	#115
sirmoosealot Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: new jersey Posts: 43	i understand where both PvP players and PvE players are coming from, i really think sony should just add a beta buffer temporarily to the normal test so people who dont do PvP can test it there way. Taking PvP off of the test copy would not be fair to those who are PvP testers. But readin every post it really is not necessary to insult eachother because we all have our own way to play the game, doesnt mean we have to insult others because they play different. it isnt the PvP players fault for the test server becoming a pvp server so why take out our anger on them? Another thing to add. theres a difference in People who are here to actually test the new content with PVP then the ones who come on test not to test the new stuff but just to grief others for the fun of it. so people if you arent here to test the new game update and how it affects the PvP servers please just go grieve people on your own live servers and not waste peoples time who are actually testing the new content. __________________ "In Nomeni Patri Et Fili Spiritus Sancti."

09-07-2009, 07:46 PM	#116
Nakaru-Nitepaw Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 596	Svetlanavera@Nagafen wrote: You want respect from the PVP community. Fine, but you need to turn around and give the PVP community that same respect. I agree to that. I've tried to show patiance because i know not all PvPers are the kind that i identified a few pages back. Which is why i created a topic requesting a 3rd test server for PvE testing so that PvP players can keep test_copy. Sure they may change test_copy back to PvE soon, but there still needs to be a 3rd server for PvP if so. This way we can all test the new content. __________________

09-08-2009, 03:32 AM	#117
Borias Server: Venekor Guild: Shadows of Storm Rank: Lord of Shadows Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts: 621	I'm going to cross post from the other thread, just so people can read it here that are extremely shortsighted. I've posted it before, but here it is again- the fix that would basically work for the test copy server. First- keep it pvp. Second- implement a very quick and simple way for people to switch factions, so they can group with their guildies that copied over from a blue server. Faster than exiling. Something like a NPC only on test outside the gates that does it for you, with no loss of spells. Third- Any zone that is currently under new testing has pvp disabled. That means if there is a new instance, the zone it is in is disabled. If there is a new big revamp or quest area, it's disabled for that zone. 3.1- Any other zone is considered fair game and pvp enabled. There's no reason to need no pvp in zones that have nothing new in them. You can do all that legwork on your own server. But real, legitimate new testing areas should be pvp free, and let people run around everywhere else and kill folk. Fourth- Any new pvp items should be buyable with 1 token, or free, so you can test them immediately. It's not like you keep the items forever anyways. Is any of that unreasonable? Both rulesets can co-exist on copy test, the actual 'pure' testers wouldn't step inside a non testing zone anyways, and they can go everywhere else to pvp and play with that, see if they like it, and test that aspect.

09-08-2009, 10:02 AM	#118
Te'ana Tester Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 1,807	I like your spirit of compromise, but I do see a flaw in it. How would a PvE player get to a new zone without being killed by a team of PvPers ambushing someone on their way to the testing zone? Perhaps the best alternative is to make PvEers untouchable by PvPers via an SOE character flag of some sort that puts a halo over their heads (pun intended).

09-08-2009, 01:48 PM	#119
Kiara Community Relations Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 4,359	* sigh * Folks, I've had to lock too many of these threads. Let me remind you that I require civil and polite/respectful discussion on the forums. That means that attacking each other over a difference in play style preference is not permitted. Let's not have any more of these threads, if you please. Thank you.