Who built/designed the Sanctum of the Scaleborn?

Methrill.Rundran · 08-17-2009, 09:11 AM

I notice the designs eteched into the cloud platforms greatly resemble those found in SoS and ToS. This begs the question of who actually built those zones? The designs look too intricate to have been made by dragons (unless they used magic) so I'm thinking the Droag? Or how about the Froglok slaves? Anybody have any ideas?

Ezariel · 08-17-2009, 12:58 PM

To label the dragons of Norrath as incapable of intelligent thought or artistic expression would be to seriously underestimate them

Methrill.Rundran · 08-17-2009, 05:29 PM

Yeah, I'm with you on that SMILEY . My real problem with the notion of the dragons building them is that I don't see the point (for the dragons or the droag). Could they have been set up for transporting froglok slaves? I thought I saw froglok being used as slaves by the droag, so could have they been the ones who undertook all the construction projects, to droag/draconic specififcations?

Coniaric · 08-17-2009, 08:15 PM

I'll think the frogloks are the most likely reason. They don't have wings and obviously can't fly. Thus the need of some type of transportation. So it's a reasonable speculation.

Aarchaangel · 08-17-2009, 08:21 PM

The dragons have wings, so do the droag. Perhaps they lefted frogloks up byhand or sling. They could have just made the frogs build scaffolding.

AA

Methrill.Rundran · 08-17-2009, 09:05 PM

I wonder if the Dreadknights were involved... I can't remember whether the architecture in the Lyceum of Abhorrence resembles that found in SoS, ToS, etc.

Cusashorn · 08-17-2009, 09:09 PM

Methrill.Rundran wrote:

I wonder if the Dreadknights were involved... I can't remember whether the architecture in the Lyceum of Abhorrence resembles that found in SoS, ToS, etc.

Lyceum was an old dragon-made complex just like Sanctum, but was eventually abandoned and overrun by the influence of Fear's denizens.

Rainmare · 08-21-2009, 07:38 AM

Don't forget the Quellthulians. thier vault there had to get items in it from someplace, and it has droag soldiers there as well..and they or at least one of them..had a deal with Vyemn. you see him in Labs. they could have built the platforms from ther own transportation uses as well.

Methrill.Rundran · 08-23-2009, 10:20 AM

Rainmare@Oasis wrote:

Don't forget the Quellthulians. thier vault there had to get items in it from someplace, and it has droag soldiers there as well..and they or at least one of them..had a deal with Vyemn. you see him in Labs. they could have built the platforms from ther own transportation uses as well.

That was my initial thought but I was put off the idea by the fact that I thought the Quelithulian's built the Ulteran spires, and in design they look SO different from the cloud platforms (distinctively different runes and symbols). Since the platforms have those plinths with a bronze dragon head/landing swan stauette, I wonder if that implies they could be the result of some Aviak/Droag alliance (as in PoA)?

Meirril · 08-24-2009, 09:39 AM

Methrill.Rundran wrote:

Rainmare@Oasis wrote:
Don't forget the Quellthulians. thier vault there had to get items in it from someplace, and it has droag soldiers there as well..and they or at least one of them..had a deal with Vyemn. you see him in Labs. they could have built the platforms from ther own transportation uses as well.
That was my initial thought but I was put off the idea by the fact that I thought the Quelithulian's built the Ulteran spires, and in design they look SO different from the cloud platforms (distinctively different runes and symbols). Since the platforms have those plinths with a bronze dragon head/landing swan stauette, I wonder if that implies they could be the result of some Aviak/Droag alliance (as in PoA)?

What Aviak/Droag alliance? PoA and other similar buildings were built by the Aviaks and taken over by the Dragons/Droag by force. SoS doesn't follow the same architecture style so there are questions of who actually built it. There is no similar question about who built PoA as that is answered in several quests.

Most likely the dragons are responsable for the construction of the structures in both TT and Bonemire. Probably they started with Froglok and Aviak slaves doing the grunt work. Eventually they developed the Droag to provide guards and shock troops. There is no evidence to say the Droag have been used as labor, except for the construction of animated armor (and prossibly golems). I would guess there are good reasons you don't want your slaves being directly in control of an army of animated guardians...

I'm guessing somewhere along the way Aviak slaves just proved to difficult to keep to make them work the effort. After all, they can just fly away. As for the cloud transportation system, I'd think the dragons probably built it for the froglok slaves to use. After all, a single dragon can dominate an entire village of froglok, but does the dragon want to serve as a cab service every time he needs something fetched from another island? Training Drakota to serve as mounts/transports would ultimately lead to them being used in an uprising. The very limited cloud path system would serve the dragons servants well enough and leave the slaves no real way to escape until the spire network was re-established by the Euradites with help from Freeport and Qeynos. The dragons did try to stop the reconstruction process (via an in-game event where each spire was attacked when the constrcution was completed).

Methrill.Rundran · 08-24-2009, 12:41 PM

Ah yes, I think I was confused by the lore in the Claymore questline about the Aviak civil war and the Blacktalons siding there with the forces of scale. I agree it doesn't seem likely the cloud platforms were the result of droag/aviak cooperation. I think I should look again at the statuettes on the cloud platform plinths... what I saw as a dragon head/landing swan sculpture may actually be a dragon head/landing dragon sculpture. With regard to the Ulteran spires, I thought the presence of droag in the vault of El'arad implied that there was some cooperation there and the Quellithulian's were re-activating the spires at the behest of the dragons. I didn't realise dragons attacked those spires when they were constructed.

Meirril · 08-25-2009, 02:38 AM

Methrill.Rundran wrote:

Ah yes, I think I was confused by the lore in the Claymore questline about the Aviak civil war and the Blacktalons siding there with the forces of scale. I agree it doesn't seem likely the cloud platforms were the result of droag/aviak cooperation. I think I should look again at the statuettes on the cloud platform plinths... what I saw as a dragon head/landing swan sculpture may actually be a dragon head/landing dragon sculpture. With regard to the Ulteran spires, I thought the presence of droag in the vault of El'arad implied that there was some cooperation there and the Quellithulian's were re-activating the spires at the behest of the dragons. I didn't realise dragons attacked those spires when they were constructed.

The dragons are interested in teleportation magic. The Quellithulians in KoS are working for the Awakened. It isn't explained why the dragons are intersted in this kind of magic. Maybe it was used to help them create Deathtoll? Maybe its being used to hide things or find a way to transport their droag troops to the surface world unnoticed? Maybe they just wished to better understand what happened to the plane of sky or to fight the gods directly? In any case, the Quellithulians are interested in this same research and would be perfectly willing to work for the dragons to gain access to their vast vaults of ancient tomes of magic, especially if they had any well perserved documents from the Combine era.

Who knows? Maybe someday EQ2 will offer a new class: the Geomancer.

Methrill.Rundran · 08-25-2009, 06:46 AM

God, this is why I LOVE the Claymore Quest line! I have so many questions about Deathtoll and Kerafyrm's plans. I always wonder about the blood-based entities in DT: corpuscles, cruor, plasma. Mysterious but very thought provoking.

Barx · 08-25-2009, 09:59 AM

Meirril wrote:

Methrill.Rundran wrote:
Ah yes, I think I was confused by the lore in the Claymore questline about the Aviak civil war and the Blacktalons siding there with the forces of scale. I agree it doesn't seem likely the cloud platforms were the result of droag/aviak cooperation. I think I should look again at the statuettes on the cloud platform plinths... what I saw as a dragon head/landing swan sculpture may actually be a dragon head/landing dragon sculpture. With regard to the Ulteran spires, I thought the presence of droag in the vault of El'arad implied that there was some cooperation there and the Quellithulian's were re-activating the spires at the behest of the dragons. I didn't realise dragons attacked those spires when they were constructed.
The dragons are interested in teleportation magic. The Quellithulians in KoS are working for the Awakened. It isn't explained why the dragons are intersted in this kind of magic. Maybe it was used to help them create Deathtoll? Maybe its being used to hide things or find a way to transport their droag troops to the surface world unnoticed? Maybe they just wished to better understand what happened to the plane of sky or to fight the gods directly? In any case, the Quellithulians are interested in this same research and would be perfectly willing to work for the dragons to gain access to their vast vaults of ancient tomes of magic, especially if they had any well perserved documents from the Combine era.
Who knows? Maybe someday EQ2 will offer a new class: the Geomancer.

Well they certainly wouldn't create Deathtoll -- that existed far before the quellithulians ever did. They might have been used in created the portal to access it though. I'll have to try and re-read some of the lore in the DT access quest, it's been years since I did that last.

Methrill.Rundran · 08-26-2009, 06:22 AM

Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Meirril wrote:
Well they certainly wouldn't create Deathtoll -- that existed far before the quellithulians ever did. They might have been used in created the portal to access it though. I'll have to try and re-read some of the lore in the DT access quest, it's been years since I did that last.

I'd love to read that lore or quest dialogue, if you do manage to find it. Due to time zone and level differences and being too late to get on the quest, I can't get the ToS and two AoA x4 raids together in order to complete Serving A New Master...

Meirril · 08-26-2009, 06:44 AM

Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Meirril wrote:
Methrill.Rundran wrote:
Ah yes, I think I was confused by the lore in the Claymore questline about the Aviak civil war and the Blacktalons siding there with the forces of scale. I agree it doesn't seem likely the cloud platforms were the result of droag/aviak cooperation. I think I should look again at the statuettes on the cloud platform plinths... what I saw as a dragon head/landing swan sculpture may actually be a dragon head/landing dragon sculpture. With regard to the Ulteran spires, I thought the presence of droag in the vault of El'arad implied that there was some cooperation there and the Quellithulian's were re-activating the spires at the behest of the dragons. I didn't realise dragons attacked those spires when they were constructed.
The dragons are interested in teleportation magic. The Quellithulians in KoS are working for the Awakened. It isn't explained why the dragons are intersted in this kind of magic. Maybe it was used to help them create Deathtoll? Maybe its being used to hide things or find a way to transport their droag troops to the surface world unnoticed? Maybe they just wished to better understand what happened to the plane of sky or to fight the gods directly? In any case, the Quellithulians are interested in this same research and would be perfectly willing to work for the dragons to gain access to their vast vaults of ancient tomes of magic, especially if they had any well perserved documents from the Combine era.
Who knows? Maybe someday EQ2 will offer a new class: the Geomancer.
Well they certainly wouldn't create Deathtoll -- that existed far before the quellithulians ever did. They might have been used in created the portal to access it though. I'll have to try and re-read some of the lore in the DT access quest, it's been years since I did that last.

Well, actually yes and no. Yes there is a Deathtoll that is older than the Quellithulians. That one is found in the etherneer(sp?). Then there is the Deathtoll that you visit in Kingdom of Sky which was created by Kerafyrm. I'm not sure if it was created before or after the Quellthulians started their association with the Awakened or not, but either is possible.

Yes, the zone you visit is not the "real" Deathtoll. Wonder if we'll ever visit the real one?

Cusashorn · 08-26-2009, 09:18 AM

Meirril wrote:

Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote:
Meirril wrote:
Methrill.Rundran wrote:
Ah yes, I think I was confused by the lore in the Claymore questline about the Aviak civil war and the Blacktalons siding there with the forces of scale. I agree it doesn't seem likely the cloud platforms were the result of droag/aviak cooperation. I think I should look again at the statuettes on the cloud platform plinths... what I saw as a dragon head/landing swan sculpture may actually be a dragon head/landing dragon sculpture. With regard to the Ulteran spires, I thought the presence of droag in the vault of El'arad implied that there was some cooperation there and the Quellithulian's were re-activating the spires at the behest of the dragons. I didn't realise dragons attacked those spires when they were constructed.
The dragons are interested in teleportation magic. The Quellithulians in KoS are working for the Awakened. It isn't explained why the dragons are intersted in this kind of magic. Maybe it was used to help them create Deathtoll? Maybe its being used to hide things or find a way to transport their droag troops to the surface world unnoticed? Maybe they just wished to better understand what happened to the plane of sky or to fight the gods directly? In any case, the Quellithulians are interested in this same research and would be perfectly willing to work for the dragons to gain access to their vast vaults of ancient tomes of magic, especially if they had any well perserved documents from the Combine era.
Who knows? Maybe someday EQ2 will offer a new class: the Geomancer.
Well they certainly wouldn't create Deathtoll -- that existed far before the quellithulians ever did. They might have been used in created the portal to access it though. I'll have to try and re-read some of the lore in the DT access quest, it's been years since I did that last.
Well, actually yes and no. Yes there is a Deathtoll that is older than the Quellithulians. That one is found in the etherneer(sp?). Then there is the Deathtoll that you visit in Kingdom of Sky which was created by Kerafyrm. I'm not sure if it was created before or after the Quellthulians started their association with the Awakened or not, but either is possible.
Yes, the zone you visit is not the "real" Deathtoll. Wonder if we'll ever visit the real one?

More than likely the Deathtoll Dragon Necropolis existed long before the Quellithulians existed too.

Barx · 08-26-2009, 09:49 AM

Cusashorn wrote:

Meirril wrote:
Well, actually yes and no. Yes there is a Deathtoll that is older than the Quellithulians. That one is found in the etherneer(sp?). Then there is the Deathtoll that you visit in Kingdom of Sky which was created by Kerafyrm. I'm not sure if it was created before or after the Quellthulians started their association with the Awakened or not, but either is possible.
Yes, the zone you visit is not the "real" Deathtoll. Wonder if we'll ever visit the real one?
More than likely the Deathtoll Dragon Necropolis existed long before the Quellithulians existed too.

This. Whether or not the Deathtoll that you visit may not actually be in or be a part of the Ethernere (it is probably not), it still seems older than the Quellithulians. I don't remember seeing where it says Kerafyrm built the Deathtoll that you go to however; yes it's portal is in the Overrealm, but exactly where you go when you step through that portal, I don't remember it ever saying.

Meirril · 08-27-2009, 04:30 AM

Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote:

Cusashorn wrote:
Meirril wrote:
Well, actually yes and no. Yes there is a Deathtoll that is older than the Quellithulians. That one is found in the etherneer(sp?). Then there is the Deathtoll that you visit in Kingdom of Sky which was created by Kerafyrm. I'm not sure if it was created before or after the Quellthulians started their association with the Awakened or not, but either is possible.
Yes, the zone you visit is not the "real" Deathtoll. Wonder if we'll ever visit the real one?
More than likely the Deathtoll Dragon Necropolis existed long before the Quellithulians existed too.
This. Whether or not the Deathtoll that you visit may not actually be in or be a part of the Ethernere (it is probably not), it still seems older than the Quellithulians. I don't remember seeing where it says Kerafyrm built the Deathtoll that you go to however; yes it's portal is in the Overrealm, but exactly where you go when you step through that portal, I don't remember it ever saying.

Ugh. I seem to remember that came from an interview but I'm not sure. Definately Kerafyrm is the one responsable for that undead dragon. I think the gnome is a more recent addition. Not being able to trace an adequate timeline between the Awakened cult and the Quellithulians I can't say if they could or couldn't be involved in Deathtoll's creation.

Methrill.Rundran · 08-27-2009, 07:56 AM

I haven't read it all yet, but I found this online (the entire dialogue for the DT access quest): http://www.everquest2.com.cn/forum/...&extra=page%3D4

08-17-2009, 05:29 PM	#3
Methrill.Rundran Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 34	Yeah, I'm with you on that . My real problem with the notion of the dragons building them is that I don't see the point (for the dragons or the droag). Could they have been set up for transporting froglok slaves? I thought I saw froglok being used as slaves by the droag, so could have they been the ones who undertook all the construction projects, to droag/draconic specififcations?

08-17-2009, 08:15 PM	#4
Coniaric Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 756	I'll think the frogloks are the most likely reason. They don't have wings and obviously can't fly. Thus the need of some type of transportation. So it's a reasonable speculation. __________________

08-17-2009, 09:09 PM	#7
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	Methrill.Rundran wrote: I wonder if the Dreadknights were involved... I can't remember whether the architecture in the Lyceum of Abhorrence resembles that found in SoS, ToS, etc. Lyceum was an old dragon-made complex just like Sanctum, but was eventually abandoned and overrun by the influence of Fear's denizens.

08-23-2009, 10:20 AM	#9
Methrill.Rundran Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 34	Rainmare@Oasis wrote: Don't forget the Quellthulians. thier vault there had to get items in it from someplace, and it has droag soldiers there as well..and they or at least one of them..had a deal with Vyemn. you see him in Labs. they could have built the platforms from ther own transportation uses as well. That was my initial thought but I was put off the idea by the fact that I thought the Quelithulian's built the Ulteran spires, and in design they look SO different from the cloud platforms (distinctively different runes and symbols). Since the platforms have those plinths with a bronze dragon head/landing swan stauette, I wonder if that implies they could be the result of some Aviak/Droag alliance (as in PoA)?

08-24-2009, 09:39 AM	#10
Meirril Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,552	Methrill.Rundran wrote: Rainmare@Oasis wrote: Don't forget the Quellthulians. thier vault there had to get items in it from someplace, and it has droag soldiers there as well..and they or at least one of them..had a deal with Vyemn. you see him in Labs. they could have built the platforms from ther own transportation uses as well. That was my initial thought but I was put off the idea by the fact that I thought the Quelithulian's built the Ulteran spires, and in design they look SO different from the cloud platforms (distinctively different runes and symbols). Since the platforms have those plinths with a bronze dragon head/landing swan stauette, I wonder if that implies they could be the result of some Aviak/Droag alliance (as in PoA)? What Aviak/Droag alliance? PoA and other similar buildings were built by the Aviaks and taken over by the Dragons/Droag by force. SoS doesn't follow the same architecture style so there are questions of who actually built it. There is no similar question about who built PoA as that is answered in several quests. Most likely the dragons are responsable for the construction of the structures in both TT and Bonemire. Probably they started with Froglok and Aviak slaves doing the grunt work. Eventually they developed the Droag to provide guards and shock troops. There is no evidence to say the Droag have been used as labor, except for the construction of animated armor (and prossibly golems). I would guess there are good reasons you don't want your slaves being directly in control of an army of animated guardians... I'm guessing somewhere along the way Aviak slaves just proved to difficult to keep to make them work the effort. After all, they can just fly away. As for the cloud transportation system, I'd think the dragons probably built it for the froglok slaves to use. After all, a single dragon can dominate an entire village of froglok, but does the dragon want to serve as a cab service every time he needs something fetched from another island? Training Drakota to serve as mounts/transports would ultimately lead to them being used in an uprising. The very limited cloud path system would serve the dragons servants well enough and leave the slaves no real way to escape until the spire network was re-established by the Euradites with help from Freeport and Qeynos. The dragons did try to stop the reconstruction process (via an in-game event where each spire was attacked when the constrcution was completed).

08-17-2009, 09:11 AM	#1
Methrill.Rundran Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 34	I notice the designs eteched into the cloud platforms greatly resemble those found in SoS and ToS. This begs the question of who actually built those zones? The designs look too intricate to have been made by dragons (unless they used magic) so I'm thinking the Droag? Or how about the Froglok slaves? Anybody have any ideas?

08-17-2009, 12:58 PM	#2
Ezariel Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 97	To label the dragons of Norrath as incapable of intelligent thought or artistic expression would be to seriously underestimate them

08-17-2009, 08:21 PM	#5
Aarchaangel Loremaster Join Date: May 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 65	The dragons have wings, so do the droag. Perhaps they lefted frogloks up byhand or sling. They could have just made the frogs build scaffolding. AA

08-17-2009, 09:05 PM	#6
Methrill.Rundran Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 34	I wonder if the Dreadknights were involved... I can't remember whether the architecture in the Lyceum of Abhorrence resembles that found in SoS, ToS, etc.

08-21-2009, 07:38 AM	#8
Rainmare Server: Oasis Guild: Pillage Rank: Captain Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,982	Don't forget the Quellthulians. thier vault there had to get items in it from someplace, and it has droag soldiers there as well..and they or at least one of them..had a deal with Vyemn. you see him in Labs. they could have built the platforms from ther own transportation uses as well.

08-24-2009, 12:41 PM	#11
Methrill.Rundran Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 34	Ah yes, I think I was confused by the lore in the Claymore questline about the Aviak civil war and the Blacktalons siding there with the forces of scale. I agree it doesn't seem likely the cloud platforms were the result of droag/aviak cooperation. I think I should look again at the statuettes on the cloud platform plinths... what I saw as a dragon head/landing swan sculpture may actually be a dragon head/landing dragon sculpture. With regard to the Ulteran spires, I thought the presence of droag in the vault of El'arad implied that there was some cooperation there and the Quellithulian's were re-activating the spires at the behest of the dragons. I didn't realise dragons attacked those spires when they were constructed.

08-25-2009, 02:38 AM	#12
Meirril Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,552	Methrill.Rundran wrote: Ah yes, I think I was confused by the lore in the Claymore questline about the Aviak civil war and the Blacktalons siding there with the forces of scale. I agree it doesn't seem likely the cloud platforms were the result of droag/aviak cooperation. I think I should look again at the statuettes on the cloud platform plinths... what I saw as a dragon head/landing swan sculpture may actually be a dragon head/landing dragon sculpture. With regard to the Ulteran spires, I thought the presence of droag in the vault of El'arad implied that there was some cooperation there and the Quellithulian's were re-activating the spires at the behest of the dragons. I didn't realise dragons attacked those spires when they were constructed. The dragons are interested in teleportation magic. The Quellithulians in KoS are working for the Awakened. It isn't explained why the dragons are intersted in this kind of magic. Maybe it was used to help them create Deathtoll? Maybe its being used to hide things or find a way to transport their droag troops to the surface world unnoticed? Maybe they just wished to better understand what happened to the plane of sky or to fight the gods directly? In any case, the Quellithulians are interested in this same research and would be perfectly willing to work for the dragons to gain access to their vast vaults of ancient tomes of magic, especially if they had any well perserved documents from the Combine era. Who knows? Maybe someday EQ2 will offer a new class: the Geomancer.

08-25-2009, 06:46 AM	#13
Methrill.Rundran Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 34	God, this is why I LOVE the Claymore Quest line! I have so many questions about Deathtoll and Kerafyrm's plans. I always wonder about the blood-based entities in DT: corpuscles, cruor, plasma. Mysterious but very thought provoking.

08-25-2009, 09:59 AM	#14
Barx Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Mayhem Rank: Officers Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Manors of Mithaniel, New Halas Posts: 3,480	Meirril wrote: Methrill.Rundran wrote: Ah yes, I think I was confused by the lore in the Claymore questline about the Aviak civil war and the Blacktalons siding there with the forces of scale. I agree it doesn't seem likely the cloud platforms were the result of droag/aviak cooperation. I think I should look again at the statuettes on the cloud platform plinths... what I saw as a dragon head/landing swan sculpture may actually be a dragon head/landing dragon sculpture. With regard to the Ulteran spires, I thought the presence of droag in the vault of El'arad implied that there was some cooperation there and the Quellithulian's were re-activating the spires at the behest of the dragons. I didn't realise dragons attacked those spires when they were constructed. The dragons are interested in teleportation magic. The Quellithulians in KoS are working for the Awakened. It isn't explained why the dragons are intersted in this kind of magic. Maybe it was used to help them create Deathtoll? Maybe its being used to hide things or find a way to transport their droag troops to the surface world unnoticed? Maybe they just wished to better understand what happened to the plane of sky or to fight the gods directly? In any case, the Quellithulians are interested in this same research and would be perfectly willing to work for the dragons to gain access to their vast vaults of ancient tomes of magic, especially if they had any well perserved documents from the Combine era. Who knows? Maybe someday EQ2 will offer a new class: the Geomancer. Well they certainly wouldn't create Deathtoll -- that existed far before the quellithulians ever did. They might have been used in created the portal to access it though. I'll have to try and re-read some of the lore in the DT access quest, it's been years since I did that last.

08-26-2009, 06:22 AM	#15
Methrill.Rundran Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 34	Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote: Meirril wrote: Well they certainly wouldn't create Deathtoll -- that existed far before the quellithulians ever did. They might have been used in created the portal to access it though. I'll have to try and re-read some of the lore in the DT access quest, it's been years since I did that last. I'd love to read that lore or quest dialogue, if you do manage to find it. Due to time zone and level differences and being too late to get on the quest, I can't get the ToS and two AoA x4 raids together in order to complete Serving A New Master...

08-26-2009, 06:44 AM	#16
Meirril Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,552	Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote: Meirril wrote: Methrill.Rundran wrote: Ah yes, I think I was confused by the lore in the Claymore questline about the Aviak civil war and the Blacktalons siding there with the forces of scale. I agree it doesn't seem likely the cloud platforms were the result of droag/aviak cooperation. I think I should look again at the statuettes on the cloud platform plinths... what I saw as a dragon head/landing swan sculpture may actually be a dragon head/landing dragon sculpture. With regard to the Ulteran spires, I thought the presence of droag in the vault of El'arad implied that there was some cooperation there and the Quellithulian's were re-activating the spires at the behest of the dragons. I didn't realise dragons attacked those spires when they were constructed. The dragons are interested in teleportation magic. The Quellithulians in KoS are working for the Awakened. It isn't explained why the dragons are intersted in this kind of magic. Maybe it was used to help them create Deathtoll? Maybe its being used to hide things or find a way to transport their droag troops to the surface world unnoticed? Maybe they just wished to better understand what happened to the plane of sky or to fight the gods directly? In any case, the Quellithulians are interested in this same research and would be perfectly willing to work for the dragons to gain access to their vast vaults of ancient tomes of magic, especially if they had any well perserved documents from the Combine era. Who knows? Maybe someday EQ2 will offer a new class: the Geomancer. Well they certainly wouldn't create Deathtoll -- that existed far before the quellithulians ever did. They might have been used in created the portal to access it though. I'll have to try and re-read some of the lore in the DT access quest, it's been years since I did that last. Well, actually yes and no. Yes there is a Deathtoll that is older than the Quellithulians. That one is found in the etherneer(sp?). Then there is the Deathtoll that you visit in Kingdom of Sky which was created by Kerafyrm. I'm not sure if it was created before or after the Quellthulians started their association with the Awakened or not, but either is possible. Yes, the zone you visit is not the "real" Deathtoll. Wonder if we'll ever visit the real one?

08-26-2009, 09:18 AM	#17
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	Meirril wrote: Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote: Meirril wrote: Methrill.Rundran wrote: Ah yes, I think I was confused by the lore in the Claymore questline about the Aviak civil war and the Blacktalons siding there with the forces of scale. I agree it doesn't seem likely the cloud platforms were the result of droag/aviak cooperation. I think I should look again at the statuettes on the cloud platform plinths... what I saw as a dragon head/landing swan sculpture may actually be a dragon head/landing dragon sculpture. With regard to the Ulteran spires, I thought the presence of droag in the vault of El'arad implied that there was some cooperation there and the Quellithulian's were re-activating the spires at the behest of the dragons. I didn't realise dragons attacked those spires when they were constructed. The dragons are interested in teleportation magic. The Quellithulians in KoS are working for the Awakened. It isn't explained why the dragons are intersted in this kind of magic. Maybe it was used to help them create Deathtoll? Maybe its being used to hide things or find a way to transport their droag troops to the surface world unnoticed? Maybe they just wished to better understand what happened to the plane of sky or to fight the gods directly? In any case, the Quellithulians are interested in this same research and would be perfectly willing to work for the dragons to gain access to their vast vaults of ancient tomes of magic, especially if they had any well perserved documents from the Combine era. Who knows? Maybe someday EQ2 will offer a new class: the Geomancer. Well they certainly wouldn't create Deathtoll -- that existed far before the quellithulians ever did. They might have been used in created the portal to access it though. I'll have to try and re-read some of the lore in the DT access quest, it's been years since I did that last. Well, actually yes and no. Yes there is a Deathtoll that is older than the Quellithulians. That one is found in the etherneer(sp?). Then there is the Deathtoll that you visit in Kingdom of Sky which was created by Kerafyrm. I'm not sure if it was created before or after the Quellthulians started their association with the Awakened or not, but either is possible. Yes, the zone you visit is not the "real" Deathtoll. Wonder if we'll ever visit the real one? More than likely the Deathtoll Dragon Necropolis existed long before the Quellithulians existed too.

08-26-2009, 09:49 AM	#18
Barx Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Mayhem Rank: Officers Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Manors of Mithaniel, New Halas Posts: 3,480	Cusashorn wrote: Meirril wrote: Well, actually yes and no. Yes there is a Deathtoll that is older than the Quellithulians. That one is found in the etherneer(sp?). Then there is the Deathtoll that you visit in Kingdom of Sky which was created by Kerafyrm. I'm not sure if it was created before or after the Quellthulians started their association with the Awakened or not, but either is possible. Yes, the zone you visit is not the "real" Deathtoll. Wonder if we'll ever visit the real one? More than likely the Deathtoll Dragon Necropolis existed long before the Quellithulians existed too. This. Whether or not the Deathtoll that you visit may not actually be in or be a part of the Ethernere (it is probably not), it still seems older than the Quellithulians. I don't remember seeing where it says Kerafyrm built the Deathtoll that you go to however; yes it's portal is in the Overrealm, but exactly where you go when you step through that portal, I don't remember it ever saying.

08-27-2009, 04:30 AM	#19
Meirril Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,552	Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote: Cusashorn wrote: Meirril wrote: Well, actually yes and no. Yes there is a Deathtoll that is older than the Quellithulians. That one is found in the etherneer(sp?). Then there is the Deathtoll that you visit in Kingdom of Sky which was created by Kerafyrm. I'm not sure if it was created before or after the Quellthulians started their association with the Awakened or not, but either is possible. Yes, the zone you visit is not the "real" Deathtoll. Wonder if we'll ever visit the real one? More than likely the Deathtoll Dragon Necropolis existed long before the Quellithulians existed too. This. Whether or not the Deathtoll that you visit may not actually be in or be a part of the Ethernere (it is probably not), it still seems older than the Quellithulians. I don't remember seeing where it says Kerafyrm built the Deathtoll that you go to however; yes it's portal is in the Overrealm, but exactly where you go when you step through that portal, I don't remember it ever saying. Ugh. I seem to remember that came from an interview but I'm not sure. Definately Kerafyrm is the one responsable for that undead dragon. I think the gnome is a more recent addition. Not being able to trace an adequate timeline between the Awakened cult and the Quellithulians I can't say if they could or couldn't be involved in Deathtoll's creation.

08-27-2009, 07:56 AM	#20
Methrill.Rundran Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 34	I haven't read it all yet, but I found this online (the entire dialogue for the DT access quest): http://www.everquest2.com.cn/forum/...&extra=page%3D4