Simple little request for skilling up.

Lasai · 08-17-2009, 06:05 PM

With accelerated leveling people are far outrunning thier skill leveling vs level.

We all know what this does.. and it is frustrating for new characters to realize how deep in the hole they have become by simply leveling.

Would it be feasable to put in a practice wall, like the one in KJ, in places accessable to players as low as level 10 or so?

The wall is nice for skillups, and would give newer, faster leveling players a place to catch themselves up.

Aeralik · 08-17-2009, 06:16 PM

The next update actually has some stuff to fix this. If you are really low in skill it will be much easier to level it up and the skill gains will come along much faster. Then once you get closer in skill to your level you will then slow down to a more gradual level.

Lasai · 08-17-2009, 06:22 PM

Thanks for the response. I actually didn't know how fast new chars were outrunning skills till I rolled a little newb Bruiser Arasai.. she is locked at level 12.. something like 4k kills and still has not caught up her slash/pierce, and its coming sooo slowly.

Jesdyr · 08-17-2009, 06:35 PM

Lasai wrote:

Would it be feasable to put in a practice wall, like the one in KJ, in places accessable to players as low as level 10 or so?
The wall is nice for skillups, and would give newer, faster leveling players a place to catch themselves up.

Guildhall training dummy . Not in a guild that has one? Then find a guild that has it set to public.

interstellarmatter · 08-17-2009, 06:41 PM

You could always beat up on the city guards.

Lasai · 08-17-2009, 06:44 PM

Jesdyr@Unrest wrote:

Lasai wrote:
Would it be feasable to put in a practice wall, like the one in KJ, in places accessable to players as low as level 10 or so?
The wall is nice for skillups, and would give newer, faster leveling players a place to catch themselves up.
Guildhall training dummy . Not in a guild that has one? Then find a guild that has it set to public.

I am aware of those. That is not what I asked for, nor is that the answer to a true new player. low level guild, etc.

The wall was a nice addition to KJ.. and would be nice for lower levels.

Lasai · 08-17-2009, 06:45 PM

interstellarmatter wrote:

You could always beat up on the city guards.

Blackfire.. grrr, you know how I feel about that.

Watch it.. or I'll tell everyone about the wizard I knew who got overburdoned by copper pennies and couldnt figure it out.

Eriol · 08-17-2009, 07:16 PM

Lasai wrote:

Jesdyr@Unrest wrote:
Guildhall training dummy . Not in a guild that has one? Then find a guild that has it set to public.
I am aware of those. That is not what I asked for, nor is that the answer to a true new player. low level guild, etc.

Actually that was a good answer. He mentioned going to OTHER PEOPLE'S public guildhalls to do this, which anybody (even unguilded) can do from level 1 (for the T3 guildhalls at least). Definitely more convenient if you have it in your OWN guild's hall, but it's not impossible for anybody else either.

Having said that, I'm glad that skills will go up faster the further behind you are.

Thunndar316 · 08-17-2009, 07:19 PM

Would be cool to do this for harvesting. Just have a thing that never goes away so I can sit my drinking bird on my keyboard and get my harvesting maxed out while im at work or something.

Lasai · 08-17-2009, 07:19 PM

Eriol wrote:

Lasai wrote:
Jesdyr@Unrest wrote:
Guildhall training dummy . Not in a guild that has one? Then find a guild that has it set to public.
I am aware of those. That is not what I asked for, nor is that the answer to a true new player. low level guild, etc.
Actually that was a good answer. He mentioned going to OTHER PEOPLE'S public guildhalls to do this, which anybody (even unguilded) can do from level 1 (for the T3 guildhalls at least). Definitely more convenient if you have it in your OWN guild's hall, but it's not impossible for anybody else either.
Having said that, I'm glad that skills will go up faster the further behind you are.

Good answer if I had asked how to skill up, which, I did not. I simply asked for training walls.

Either way, I am glad this is being addressed.

Boyar · 08-18-2009, 03:45 AM

Since I didn't see it mentioned yet...

While you're waiting for the dev fix, the best way for remedial skilling for combat skills is to find mobs that match your actual skill rather than your level. Divide your skill by 5 and fight mobs of that level for optimal skillup (so if I have 220/400 piercing, I equip a dagger and start hitting lvl 44 mobs, as many as I can find.)

Alienor · 08-18-2009, 05:53 AM

I think it is still not fair that melee classes can afk skill with auto-attack on the training dummy while casters have to sit in front of the client and have to push buttons all the time.

Noaani · 08-18-2009, 06:50 AM

Lasai wrote:

Good answer if I had asked how to skill up, which, I did not. I simply asked for training walls.
Either way, I am glad this is being addressed.

You asked for training walls in a place accessable to level 10 characters.

Training dummies are as close to training walls as you could possibly want, so the post about using them could and should be viewed as a direct answer to your request.

There are already training walls, or a variation thereof, in a location accessable to every player in the game, reguardless of character level or guild affilitation.

feldon30 · 08-18-2009, 09:19 AM

Alienor wrote:

I think it is still not fair that melee classes can afk skill with auto-attack on the training dummy while casters have to sit in front of the client and have to push buttons all the time.

I personally think mages should have spell autoattack just to make it fair. And I say that with a straight face.

Guy De Alsace · 08-18-2009, 09:56 AM

Training walls and dummies dont improve :

Any casting skills unless you are sat in front of it for hours
Swimming
Harvesting
Defence
Focus
Safe Fall
Parry
Deflection

And probably more. So they arent ideal by any means.

Barx · 08-18-2009, 02:55 PM

feldon30 wrote:

Alienor wrote:
I think it is still not fair that melee classes can afk skill with auto-attack on the training dummy while casters have to sit in front of the client and have to push buttons all the time.
I personally think mages should have spell autoattack just to make it fair. And I say that with a straight face.

G15 + L1 nuke + training dummy / wall + A book and some patience?

SMILEY

Jesdyr · 08-18-2009, 03:12 PM

Lasai wrote:

Good answer if I had asked how to skill up, which, I did not. I simply asked for training walls.
Either way, I am glad this is being addressed.

Umm .. I fail to see what the difference is between the training wall and a training dummy (aside from total HP) ? This is what you asked about in the post.

Aeralik's post just shows they are working on a better solution that having people train a skill using training mobs

woolf2k · 08-18-2009, 04:50 PM

yeah. I love this idea.

I've used that wall in KJ to level Healer melee skills everytime since my healers in general just heal we never really get enough chances to level our melee skills.

Noaani · 08-18-2009, 11:49 PM

Guy De Alsace wrote:

Training walls and dummies dont improve :
Any casting skills unless you are sat in front of it for hours
Swimming
Harvesting
Defence
Focus
Safe Fall
Parry
Deflection
And probably more. So they arent ideal by any means.

I agree, they are not ideal.

They are, however, what the OP asked for.

Guy De Alsace · 08-19-2009, 04:46 AM

Bah, the whole point of forum posting is missing the point the OP was trying to make...

erin · 08-19-2009, 09:56 AM

Lasai wrote:

Eriol wrote:
Lasai wrote:
Jesdyr@Unrest wrote:
Guildhall training dummy . Not in a guild that has one? Then find a guild that has it set to public.
I am aware of those. That is not what I asked for, nor is that the answer to a true new player. low level guild, etc.
Actually that was a good answer. He mentioned going to OTHER PEOPLE'S public guildhalls to do this, which anybody (even unguilded) can do from level 1 (for the T3 guildhalls at least). Definitely more convenient if you have it in your OWN guild's hall, but it's not impossible for anybody else either.
Having said that, I'm glad that skills will go up faster the further behind you are.
Good answer if I had asked how to skill up, which, I did not. I simply asked for training walls.
Either way, I am glad this is being addressed.

Please explain how a training dummy differs from a training wall?

interstellarmatter · 08-19-2009, 12:05 PM

erin wrote:

Lasai wrote:
Eriol wrote:
Lasai wrote:
Jesdyr@Unrest wrote:
Guildhall training dummy . Not in a guild that has one? Then find a guild that has it set to public.
I am aware of those. That is not what I asked for, nor is that the answer to a true new player. low level guild, etc.
Actually that was a good answer. He mentioned going to OTHER PEOPLE'S public guildhalls to do this, which anybody (even unguilded) can do from level 1 (for the T3 guildhalls at least). Definitely more convenient if you have it in your OWN guild's hall, but it's not impossible for anybody else either.
Having said that, I'm glad that skills will go up faster the further behind you are.
Good answer if I had asked how to skill up, which, I did not. I simply asked for training walls.
Either way, I am glad this is being addressed.
Please explain how a training dummy differs from a training wall?

Why would she bother answering you? The dev answered her question and you're doing nothing but antagonizing her request.

Kitsune · 08-19-2009, 05:15 PM

Training walls? Kunzar Jungle? I have never heard of them till now. Please tell me where they are.

08-17-2009, 06:05 PM	#1
Lasai Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: my own basement Posts: 1,295	With accelerated leveling people are far outrunning thier skill leveling vs level. We all know what this does.. and it is frustrating for new characters to realize how deep in the hole they have become by simply leveling. Would it be feasable to put in a practice wall, like the one in KJ, in places accessable to players as low as level 10 or so? The wall is nice for skillups, and would give newer, faster leveling players a place to catch themselves up. __________________ Never try to teach a pig to whistle. It only frustrates you and annoys the pig.

08-17-2009, 06:22 PM	#3
Lasai Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: my own basement Posts: 1,295	Thanks for the response. I actually didn't know how fast new chars were outrunning skills till I rolled a little newb Bruiser Arasai.. she is locked at level 12.. something like 4k kills and still has not caught up her slash/pierce, and its coming sooo slowly. __________________ Never try to teach a pig to whistle. It only frustrates you and annoys the pig.

08-17-2009, 06:35 PM	#4
Jesdyr Server: Unrest Guild: Curmudgeons Rank: Senior Officer Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,710	Lasai wrote: Would it be feasable to put in a practice wall, like the one in KJ, in places accessable to players as low as level 10 or so? The wall is nice for skillups, and would give newer, faster leveling players a place to catch themselves up. Guildhall training dummy . Not in a guild that has one? Then find a guild that has it set to public.

08-17-2009, 06:41 PM	#5
interstellarmatter Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Location: A small place Posts: 1,362	You could always beat up on the city guards. __________________

08-17-2009, 06:44 PM	#6
Lasai Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: my own basement Posts: 1,295	Jesdyr@Unrest wrote: Lasai wrote: Would it be feasable to put in a practice wall, like the one in KJ, in places accessable to players as low as level 10 or so? The wall is nice for skillups, and would give newer, faster leveling players a place to catch themselves up. Guildhall training dummy . Not in a guild that has one? Then find a guild that has it set to public. I am aware of those. That is not what I asked for, nor is that the answer to a true new player. low level guild, etc. The wall was a nice addition to KJ.. and would be nice for lower levels. __________________ Never try to teach a pig to whistle. It only frustrates you and annoys the pig.

08-17-2009, 06:16 PM	#2
Aeralik Developer Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 672	The next update actually has some stuff to fix this. If you are really low in skill it will be much easier to level it up and the skill gains will come along much faster. Then once you get closer in skill to your level you will then slow down to a more gradual level.

08-17-2009, 06:45 PM	#7
Lasai Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: my own basement Posts: 1,295	interstellarmatter wrote: You could always beat up on the city guards. Blackfire.. grrr, you know how I feel about that. Watch it.. or I'll tell everyone about the wizard I knew who got overburdoned by copper pennies and couldnt figure it out. __________________ Never try to teach a pig to whistle. It only frustrates you and annoys the pig.

08-17-2009, 07:16 PM	#8
Eriol Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,125	Lasai wrote: Jesdyr@Unrest wrote: Guildhall training dummy . Not in a guild that has one? Then find a guild that has it set to public. I am aware of those. That is not what I asked for, nor is that the answer to a true new player. low level guild, etc. Actually that was a good answer. He mentioned going to OTHER PEOPLE'S public guildhalls to do this, which anybody (even unguilded) can do from level 1 (for the T3 guildhalls at least). Definitely more convenient if you have it in your OWN guild's hall, but it's not impossible for anybody else either. Having said that, I'm glad that skills will go up faster the further behind you are. __________________ Eriol Ancalagon A Summoner's Fall into Darkness

08-17-2009, 07:19 PM	#9
Thunndar316 Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,681	Would be cool to do this for harvesting. Just have a thing that never goes away so I can sit my drinking bird on my keyboard and get my harvesting maxed out while im at work or something. __________________ Sleight of Hand is USELESS

08-17-2009, 07:19 PM	#10
Lasai Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: my own basement Posts: 1,295	Eriol wrote: Lasai wrote: Jesdyr@Unrest wrote: Guildhall training dummy . Not in a guild that has one? Then find a guild that has it set to public. I am aware of those. That is not what I asked for, nor is that the answer to a true new player. low level guild, etc. Actually that was a good answer. He mentioned going to OTHER PEOPLE'S public guildhalls to do this, which anybody (even unguilded) can do from level 1 (for the T3 guildhalls at least). Definitely more convenient if you have it in your OWN guild's hall, but it's not impossible for anybody else either. Having said that, I'm glad that skills will go up faster the further behind you are. Good answer if I had asked how to skill up, which, I did not. I simply asked for training walls. Either way, I am glad this is being addressed. __________________ Never try to teach a pig to whistle. It only frustrates you and annoys the pig.

08-18-2009, 03:45 AM	#11
Boyar Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Seattle area Posts: 146	Since I didn't see it mentioned yet... While you're waiting for the dev fix, the best way for remedial skilling for combat skills is to find mobs that match your actual skill rather than your level. Divide your skill by 5 and fight mobs of that level for optimal skillup (so if I have 220/400 piercing, I equip a dagger and start hitting lvl 44 mobs, as many as I can find.) __________________

08-18-2009, 05:53 AM	#12
Alienor Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,393	I think it is still not fair that melee classes can afk skill with auto-attack on the training dummy while casters have to sit in front of the client and have to push buttons all the time.

08-18-2009, 06:50 AM	#13
Noaani Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 6,077	Lasai wrote: Good answer if I had asked how to skill up, which, I did not. I simply asked for training walls. Either way, I am glad this is being addressed. You asked for training walls in a place accessable to level 10 characters. Training dummies are as close to training walls as you could possibly want, so the post about using them could and should be viewed as a direct answer to your request. There are already training walls, or a variation thereof, in a location accessable to every player in the game, reguardless of character level or guild affilitation. __________________ The superior man knows what is right. The inferior man knows what will sell. Confucius

08-18-2009, 09:19 AM	#14
feldon30 Fansite Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 5,424	Alienor wrote: I think it is still not fair that melee classes can afk skill with auto-attack on the training dummy while casters have to sit in front of the client and have to push buttons all the time. I personally think mages should have spell autoattack just to make it fair. And I say that with a straight face. __________________ .. EQ2Wire.com \| EQ2U - Character, Item, Spell, and Guild Data

08-18-2009, 09:56 AM	#15
Guy De Alsace Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: England Posts: 1,902	Training walls and dummies dont improve : Any casting skills unless you are sat in front of it for hours Swimming Harvesting Defence Focus Safe Fall Parry Deflection And probably more. So they arent ideal by any means.

08-18-2009, 02:55 PM	#16
Barx Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Mayhem Rank: Officers Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Manors of Mithaniel, New Halas Posts: 3,480	feldon30 wrote: Alienor wrote: I think it is still not fair that melee classes can afk skill with auto-attack on the training dummy while casters have to sit in front of the client and have to push buttons all the time. I personally think mages should have spell autoattack just to make it fair. And I say that with a straight face. G15 + L1 nuke + training dummy / wall + A book and some patience?

08-18-2009, 03:12 PM	#17
Jesdyr Server: Unrest Guild: Curmudgeons Rank: Senior Officer Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,710	Lasai wrote: Good answer if I had asked how to skill up, which, I did not. I simply asked for training walls. Either way, I am glad this is being addressed. Umm .. I fail to see what the difference is between the training wall and a training dummy (aside from total HP) ? This is what you asked about in the post. Aeralik's post just shows they are working on a better solution that having people train a skill using training mobs

08-18-2009, 04:50 PM	#18
woolf2k Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 845	yeah. I love this idea. I've used that wall in KJ to level Healer melee skills everytime since my healers in general just heal we never really get enough chances to level our melee skills.

08-18-2009, 11:49 PM	#19
Noaani Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 6,077	Guy De Alsace wrote: Training walls and dummies dont improve : Any casting skills unless you are sat in front of it for hours Swimming Harvesting Defence Focus Safe Fall Parry Deflection And probably more. So they arent ideal by any means. I agree, they are not ideal. They are, however, what the OP asked for. __________________ The superior man knows what is right. The inferior man knows what will sell. Confucius

08-19-2009, 04:46 AM	#20
Guy De Alsace Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: England Posts: 1,902	Bah, the whole point of forum posting is missing the point the OP was trying to make...

08-19-2009, 09:56 AM	#21
erin Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,834	Lasai wrote: Eriol wrote: Lasai wrote: Jesdyr@Unrest wrote: Guildhall training dummy . Not in a guild that has one? Then find a guild that has it set to public. I am aware of those. That is not what I asked for, nor is that the answer to a true new player. low level guild, etc. Actually that was a good answer. He mentioned going to OTHER PEOPLE'S public guildhalls to do this, which anybody (even unguilded) can do from level 1 (for the T3 guildhalls at least). Definitely more convenient if you have it in your OWN guild's hall, but it's not impossible for anybody else either. Having said that, I'm glad that skills will go up faster the further behind you are. Good answer if I had asked how to skill up, which, I did not. I simply asked for training walls. Either way, I am glad this is being addressed. Please explain how a training dummy differs from a training wall?

08-19-2009, 12:05 PM	#22
interstellarmatter Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Location: A small place Posts: 1,362	erin wrote: Lasai wrote: Eriol wrote: Lasai wrote: Jesdyr@Unrest wrote: Guildhall training dummy . Not in a guild that has one? Then find a guild that has it set to public. I am aware of those. That is not what I asked for, nor is that the answer to a true new player. low level guild, etc. Actually that was a good answer. He mentioned going to OTHER PEOPLE'S public guildhalls to do this, which anybody (even unguilded) can do from level 1 (for the T3 guildhalls at least). Definitely more convenient if you have it in your OWN guild's hall, but it's not impossible for anybody else either. Having said that, I'm glad that skills will go up faster the further behind you are. Good answer if I had asked how to skill up, which, I did not. I simply asked for training walls. Either way, I am glad this is being addressed. Please explain how a training dummy differs from a training wall? Why would she bother answering you? The dev answered her question and you're doing nothing but antagonizing her request. __________________

08-19-2009, 05:15 PM	#23
Kitsune Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: West coast USA Posts: 624	Training walls? Kunzar Jungle? I have never heard of them till now. Please tell me where they are.