Crusaders - Bring them down or warriors UP

tylermadeit · 07-06-2009, 01:17 PM

There is a clear and absurd miscalculation between the amount of dmg warriors recieve, give, and heal for versus crusaders making them an utterly useless class to pvp with until I'm hoping T6.

My personal story:

29 Champ Zerker (my group does all the work)
Max AA in all the right places. WIS line maxed.
Fully adorned.
3 peices of noxious resist jewelry.
2 pieces of WIS MC jewelry. (for resists)
Character Traits specd for disease resist.
Fully mastered.

Level 21 SK > 29 zerker

Level 24 SK > 29 Zerker | This guy didnt even HT me, didnt matter though becuase I couldnt even do 10% damage to him before I died.

Dont give me that 'no skill' crap, I'm warrior, all I do is push combat abilities and pop cure potions. Not too much skill required.

I'll get another cruader to 1v1 me and parse it for proof....soon before I /delete and roll crusader like everyone else.

My suggestions to improve zerkers:

Increase chance to trigger "Blood Rage" or increase heal amount.
Add significant resists to "Wall of Rage" and the other temporary defense buffs.

Azekah1 · 07-06-2009, 02:22 PM

yes, SKs are without a doubt way OP in t2-6 at least...

the damage they can put out, their survivability, and their lifetaps make them a force to be reckoned with...

ask anyone, who they would prefer to have as a MT in a pvp group (at least in t2-7), the answer will be either an SK, or a pally...to pick anything else your simply gimping yourself...

tylermadeit · 07-06-2009, 05:36 PM

Yes, which is why this is my plea for a fix.

Azekah1 · 07-06-2009, 05:43 PM

I think I played with you the other day on my bruiser...Tessh...

you were with a bunch of new pvpers from your guild maybe?

but yea, I was just trying to support your argument : )

I'm all for *cough* buffing other classes, or *cough* bringing others down to size.

We_want_your_soul · 07-06-2009, 05:47 PM

Crusaders are very op in T2-T7. And slightly OP in T8.

They need to be nerfed, its pretty obvious. Even the SKs I know admit it.

jam3 · 07-06-2009, 05:57 PM

they are the best in tier 8 with mythicals, and tso raid gear...

Curs3 · 07-06-2009, 09:21 PM

I'd wrather not nerf a class unless it is strickly needed. I'd much wrather warriors get a tune up before nerfing another.

imapokemonirlrulolwutisupyoooo · 07-06-2009, 10:59 PM

To the OP the reason why you lost is because of your aa line.

Kimber · 07-06-2009, 11:31 PM

imapokemonirlrulolwutisupyoooo wrote:

To the OP the reason why you lost is because of your aa line.

Dont get me wrong I am sure this is just a smurf log in for ya as you prolly dont want people to know who you are but tbh the Wis Line is a great AA line for PvP spec as you get Belly Smash which lowers mit and does damage also stance master so you can PvP in Def stance with higher mit but no hit pen or in Off stance with no mit pen. Also there is a ability in there that increases your mit if I remember properly and the added wis raises your overal resists so the Wis line is pretty [Removed for Content] good for PvP tbh.

Are there other ines that coud do this or that yes there are but tbh since they nerfed zerker health reg accrossed the board ( not that it was that great pre mid T6-T8 anyway ) the gains you get at low lv for specing into the health reg buffs does nothing when fighting other players with how DPS is esp when fighting an SK that pulls a higher % of health from you with taps and stuff than you can reg in combat with out even hitting you with auto attack.

tylermadeit · 07-07-2009, 01:59 AM

Ive respec'd like 10 times. Today I went STA and INT.

I agree Curs3, I'd like to see zerkers "numbers" come up before nerfing another class. Hell, even brusiers are better tanks than zerkers.

tylermadeit · 07-07-2009, 02:03 AM

Aeeron@Nagafen wrote:

they are the best in tier 8 with mythicals, and tso raid gear...

I suppose thats something to look forward to in many many many months from now.

Bottom line, Pre T8 Zerkers need some DEV love.

I cant think of one class a zerker could beat 1v1... Maybe a scout if they didnt know how to kite.

q149 · 07-07-2009, 03:35 AM

Hmm I remember when SK's were weak as hell like a year ago.. About that time I made a high elf SK and got to 20 an dlocked.. I got him to Champ still at level 20 just by HTing people with titles lol. That was some fun though, [Removed for Content] so many Q's of their titles with a high elf and a insta-kill button. I think I was about the only SK around at that time.

Jeht · 07-07-2009, 03:48 AM

Emolad is the only shadowknight.

Kovah · 07-07-2009, 03:50 AM

tylermadeit wrote:

Aeeron@Nagafen wrote:
they are the best in tier 8 with mythicals, and tso raid gear...
I suppose thats something to look forward to in many many many months from now.
Bottom line, Pre T8 Zerkers need some DEV love.
I cant think of one class a zerker could beat 1v1... Maybe a scout if they didnt know how to kite.

I believe he was talking about SKs in T8 if you read the posts just before his, but maybe I'm wrong.

We_want_your_soul · 07-07-2009, 06:51 AM

I normally kill Crusaders pretty easily on my swashie.

SumOldMan · 07-07-2009, 11:32 AM

Zaitsev@Venekor wrote:

I'd wrather not nerf a class unless it is strickly needed. I'd much wrather warriors get a tune up before nerfing another.

Except by buffing classes you are in effect giving a relative nerf to all other classes that didn't get a buffin addition to the PVE encounters. You can't just keep buffing classes to the level of the overpowered ones or you will destroy the game and everyone will basically be in god mode. Kinda like the crusaders and non-bard scouts are now.

Orthureon · 07-07-2009, 11:51 AM

q149 wrote:

Hmm I remember when SK's were weak as hell like a year ago.. About that time I made a high elf SK and got to 20 an dlocked.. I got him to Champ still at level 20 just by HTing people with titles lol. That was some fun though, [Removed for Content] so many Q's of their titles with a high elf and a insta-kill button. I think I was about the only SK around at that time.

Crusaders were never really weak, people just sucked at playing them. Can't blame people for crying because they can't press a few buttons and win. I remember on my SK (way before the buff) clicking Death March and spamming my spell rotation and just watching whoever I was fighting for the most part blow up.

Orthureon · 07-07-2009, 11:54 AM

SumOldMan wrote:

Zaitsev@Venekor wrote:
I'd wrather not nerf a class unless it is strickly needed. I'd much wrather warriors get a tune up before nerfing another.
Except by buffing classes you are in effect giving a relative nerf to all other classes that didn't get a buffin addition to the PVE encounters. You can't just keep buffing classes to the level of the overpowered ones or you will destroy the game and everyone will basically be in god mode. Kinda like the crusaders and non-bard scouts are now.

Non-bards... one sec let me catch my breath, I was laughing too hard. Bards in T8 are monsters if played with any kind of intelligence. Especially when a Dirge can destroy you with autoattack.

Curs3 · 07-07-2009, 09:23 PM

Orthureon wrote:

SumOldMan wrote:
Zaitsev@Venekor wrote:
I'd wrather not nerf a class unless it is strickly needed. I'd much wrather warriors get a tune up before nerfing another.
Except by buffing classes you are in effect giving a relative nerf to all other classes that didn't get a buffin addition to the PVE encounters. You can't just keep buffing classes to the level of the overpowered ones or you will destroy the game and everyone will basically be in god mode. Kinda like the crusaders and non-bard scouts are now.
Non-bards... one sec let me catch my breath, I was laughing too hard. Bards in T8 are monsters if played with any kind of intelligence. Especially when a Dirge can destroy you with autoattack.

I think that was his point.

However it may make the game like that, its not my place to ask to nerf another class. But i am a berserker so i can ask to de-nerf mine SMILEY

Muraazi · 07-08-2009, 04:09 AM

To the OP...

I really don't see the significance to class balance by pitting the two classes in question against each other in a 1v 1. Especially in a tier that SKs are known for being OP. While I am not disagreeing with you, I really think you are going about it the wrong way.

We_want_your_soul · 07-08-2009, 04:12 AM

tylermadeit wrote:

There is a clear and absurd miscalculation between the amount of dmg warriors recieve, give, and heal for versus crusaders making them an utterly useless class to pvp with until I'm hoping T6.
My personal story:
29 Champ Zerker (my group does all the work)
Max AA in all the right places. WIS line maxed.
Fully adorned.
3 peices of noxious resist jewelry.
2 pieces of WIS MC jewelry. (for resists)
Character Traits specd for disease resist.
Fully mastered.
Level 21 SK > 29 zerker
Level 24 SK > 29 Zerker | This guy didnt even HT me, didnt matter though becuase I couldnt even do 10% damage to him before I died.
Dont give me that 'no skill' crap, I'm warrior, all I do is push combat abilities and pop cure potions. Not too much skill required.
I'll get another cruader to 1v1 me and parse it for proof....soon before I /delete and roll crusader like everyone else.
My suggestions to improve zerkers:
Increase chance to trigger "Blood Rage" or increase heal amount.
Add significant resists to "Wall of Rage" and the other temporary defense buffs.

You do realize that WIS line (besides 4-1) is absolutely terrible right?

If you're max AA at level 29 you should be 4-4-8 STR 4-4-8 STA and 4-1 INT and working on getting 4-1 for belly smash. That is your problem, your terrible use of AAs.

We_want_your_soul · 07-08-2009, 04:19 AM

We_want_your_soul wrote:

Crusaders are very op in T2-T7. And slightly OP in T8.
They need to be nerfed, its pretty obvious. Even the SKs I know admit it.

By the way, don't ever post on my account again.

Dorsan · 07-08-2009, 05:03 AM

Muraazi wrote:

To the OP...
I really don't see the significance to class balance by pitting the two classes in question against each other in a 1v 1. Especially in a tier that SKs are known for being OP. While I am not disagreeing with you, I really think you are going about it the wrong way.

Do you know what class balance means?

Because if the classes would be balanced then this:

Muraazi wrote:

Especially in a tier that SKs are known for being OP.

should not happen.

Muraazi · 07-08-2009, 06:15 AM

Dorsan@Nagafen wrote:

Muraazi wrote:
To the OP...
I really don't see the significance to class balance by pitting the two classes in question against each other in a 1v 1. Especially in a tier that SKs are known for being OP. While I am not disagreeing with you, I really think you are going about it the wrong way.
Do you know what class balance means?
Because if the classes would be balanced then this:
Muraazi wrote:
Especially in a tier that SKs are known for being OP.
should not happen.

Yes, I know what class balance is. But, I also realize there are far too many variables to judge them based on a few 1 vs 1's. 1 vs 1's should never be used when talking about balance. Some classes are and will always be stronger in different aspects of the game. Again, I never said I disagree'd with the OP. I said he was going about it the wrong way. While I can agree that crusaders have too much atm. I can't agree with basing balance on the previously mentioned fights.

Faenril · 07-08-2009, 08:22 AM

class balance does not mean that every class get a fair shot at killing every class 1 v 1.

Azekah1 · 07-08-2009, 10:12 AM

Faenril@Nagafen wrote:

class balance does not mean that every class get a fair shot at killing every class 1 v 1.

go roll a zerker and fight some sks and then come here and say what you think class balance should be...lulz

Faenril · 07-08-2009, 11:05 AM

Azekah1 wrote:

Faenril@Nagafen wrote:
class balance does not mean that every class get a fair shot at killing every class 1 v 1.
go roll a zerker and fight some sks and then come here and say what you think class balance should be...lulz

Try a equally geared bruiser at end game on an enchanter and tell me about it ...

This is nothing new classes have always been inbalanced especially in their teens where some classes already have some nice flashy nukes (fury ?) when others are still struggling with weak CAs and auto attack SMILEY

Azekah1 · 07-08-2009, 11:17 AM

Faenril@Nagafen wrote:

Azekah1 wrote:
Faenril@Nagafen wrote:
class balance does not mean that every class get a fair shot at killing every class 1 v 1.
go roll a zerker and fight some sks and then come here and say what you think class balance should be...lulz
Try a equally geared bruiser at end game on an enchanter and tell me about it ...
This is nothing new classes have always been inbalanced especially in their teens where some classes already have some nice flashy nukes (fury ?) when others are still struggling with weak CAs and auto attack

then you should understand the plight of the OP : )

currently, there is no point to play anything other than a pally or sk in the lower tiers for a tank.

that makes it kind of boring...

Bloodfa · 07-08-2009, 11:38 AM

If they couldn't heal so well, they wouldn't be the only tank for PvP. They can out lifetap a Necro; I'd be ticked if I had a Necro. I mean, isn't that the Necro's bread & butter?

Magius789 · 07-08-2009, 12:39 PM

Bloodfang@Nagafen wrote:

If they couldn't heal so well, they wouldn't be the only tank for PvP. They can out lifetap a Necro; I'd be ticked if I had a Necro. I mean, isn't that the Necro's bread & butter?

They should switch it. Give the necro all the cool and effective lifetaps the SK gets and give the SK the very small and not so effective lifetaps the necro's have. As it stands right now the SK's lifetaps are actually noticeable when you get into a fight where as the necro's are not.

07-06-2009, 01:17 PM	#1
tylermadeit Augur Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 42	There is a clear and absurd miscalculation between the amount of dmg warriors recieve, give, and heal for versus crusaders making them an utterly useless class to pvp with until I'm hoping T6. My personal story: 29 Champ Zerker (my group does all the work) Max AA in all the right places. WIS line maxed. Fully adorned. 3 peices of noxious resist jewelry. 2 pieces of WIS MC jewelry. (for resists) Character Traits specd for disease resist. Fully mastered. Level 21 SK > 29 zerker Level 24 SK > 29 Zerker \| This guy didnt even HT me, didnt matter though becuase I couldnt even do 10% damage to him before I died. Dont give me that 'no skill' crap, I'm warrior, all I do is push combat abilities and pop cure potions. Not too much skill required. I'll get another cruader to 1v1 me and parse it for proof....soon before I /delete and roll crusader like everyone else. My suggestions to improve zerkers: Increase chance to trigger "Blood Rage" or increase heal amount. Add significant resists to "Wall of Rage" and the other temporary defense buffs.

07-06-2009, 11:31 PM	#9
Kimber Server: Nagafen Guild: Rapture Rank: Ni4Ni CEO Alts Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 721	imapokemonirlrulolwutisupyoooo wrote: To the OP the reason why you lost is because of your aa line. Dont get me wrong I am sure this is just a smurf log in for ya as you prolly dont want people to know who you are but tbh the Wis Line is a great AA line for PvP spec as you get Belly Smash which lowers mit and does damage also stance master so you can PvP in Def stance with higher mit but no hit pen or in Off stance with no mit pen. Also there is a ability in there that increases your mit if I remember properly and the added wis raises your overal resists so the Wis line is pretty [Removed for Content] good for PvP tbh. Are there other ines that coud do this or that yes there are but tbh since they nerfed zerker health reg accrossed the board ( not that it was that great pre mid T6-T8 anyway ) the gains you get at low lv for specing into the health reg buffs does nothing when fighting other players with how DPS is esp when fighting an SK that pulls a higher % of health from you with taps and stuff than you can reg in combat with out even hitting you with auto attack. __________________ Server Nagafen Guild Sickpuppies

07-07-2009, 02:03 AM	#11
tylermadeit Augur Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 42	Aeeron@Nagafen wrote: they are the best in tier 8 with mythicals, and tso raid gear... I suppose thats something to look forward to in many many many months from now. Bottom line, Pre T8 Zerkers need some DEV love. I cant think of one class a zerker could beat 1v1... Maybe a scout if they didnt know how to kite.

07-07-2009, 03:50 AM	#14
Kovah Server: Nagafen Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 23	tylermadeit wrote: Aeeron@Nagafen wrote: they are the best in tier 8 with mythicals, and tso raid gear... I suppose thats something to look forward to in many many many months from now. Bottom line, Pre T8 Zerkers need some DEV love. I cant think of one class a zerker could beat 1v1... Maybe a scout if they didnt know how to kite. I believe he was talking about SKs in T8 if you read the posts just before his, but maybe I'm wrong.

07-07-2009, 11:32 AM	#16
SumOldMan Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 48	Zaitsev@Venekor wrote: I'd wrather not nerf a class unless it is strickly needed. I'd much wrather warriors get a tune up before nerfing another. Except by buffing classes you are in effect giving a relative nerf to all other classes that didn't get a buffin addition to the PVE encounters. You can't just keep buffing classes to the level of the overpowered ones or you will destroy the game and everyone will basically be in god mode. Kinda like the crusaders and non-bard scouts are now.

07-06-2009, 02:22 PM	#2
Azekah1 Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,887	yes, SKs are without a doubt way OP in t2-6 at least... the damage they can put out, their survivability, and their lifetaps make them a force to be reckoned with... ask anyone, who they would prefer to have as a MT in a pvp group (at least in t2-7), the answer will be either an SK, or a pally...to pick anything else your simply gimping yourself...

07-06-2009, 05:36 PM	#3
tylermadeit Augur Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 42	Yes, which is why this is my plea for a fix.

07-06-2009, 05:43 PM	#4
Azekah1 Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,887	I think I played with you the other day on my bruiser...Tessh... you were with a bunch of new pvpers from your guild maybe? but yea, I was just trying to support your argument : ) I'm all for cough buffing other classes, or cough bringing others down to size.

07-06-2009, 05:47 PM	#5
We_want_your_soul Loremaster Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 194	Crusaders are very op in T2-T7. And slightly OP in T8. They need to be nerfed, its pretty obvious. Even the SKs I know admit it.

07-06-2009, 05:57 PM	#6
jam3 General Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 724	they are the best in tier 8 with mythicals, and tso raid gear...

07-06-2009, 09:21 PM	#7
Curs3 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 225	I'd wrather not nerf a class unless it is strickly needed. I'd much wrather warriors get a tune up before nerfing another.

07-06-2009, 10:59 PM	#8
imapokemonirlrulolwutisupyoooo Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 31	To the OP the reason why you lost is because of your aa line.

07-07-2009, 01:59 AM	#10
tylermadeit Augur Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 42	Ive respec'd like 10 times. Today I went STA and INT. I agree Curs3, I'd like to see zerkers "numbers" come up before nerfing another class. Hell, even brusiers are better tanks than zerkers.

07-07-2009, 03:35 AM	#12
q149 Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Japan Posts: 132	Hmm I remember when SK's were weak as hell like a year ago.. About that time I made a high elf SK and got to 20 an dlocked.. I got him to Champ still at level 20 just by HTing people with titles lol. That was some fun though, [Removed for Content] so many Q's of their titles with a high elf and a insta-kill button. I think I was about the only SK around at that time.

07-07-2009, 03:48 AM	#13
Jeht Server: Vox Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 230	Emolad is the only shadowknight.

07-07-2009, 06:51 AM	#15
We_want_your_soul Loremaster Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 194	I normally kill Crusaders pretty easily on my swashie.

07-07-2009, 11:51 AM	#17
Orthureon Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,073	q149 wrote: Hmm I remember when SK's were weak as hell like a year ago.. About that time I made a high elf SK and got to 20 an dlocked.. I got him to Champ still at level 20 just by HTing people with titles lol. That was some fun though, [Removed for Content] so many Q's of their titles with a high elf and a insta-kill button. I think I was about the only SK around at that time. Crusaders were never really weak, people just sucked at playing them. Can't blame people for crying because they can't press a few buttons and win. I remember on my SK (way before the buff) clicking Death March and spamming my spell rotation and just watching whoever I was fighting for the most part blow up. __________________ NAGAFEN Server DAEMIEN 92 Shadowknight XEOS 92 Ranger EXILON 92 Inquisitor.

07-07-2009, 11:54 AM	#18
Orthureon Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,073	SumOldMan wrote: Zaitsev@Venekor wrote: I'd wrather not nerf a class unless it is strickly needed. I'd much wrather warriors get a tune up before nerfing another. Except by buffing classes you are in effect giving a relative nerf to all other classes that didn't get a buffin addition to the PVE encounters. You can't just keep buffing classes to the level of the overpowered ones or you will destroy the game and everyone will basically be in god mode. Kinda like the crusaders and non-bard scouts are now. Non-bards... one sec let me catch my breath, I was laughing too hard. Bards in T8 are monsters if played with any kind of intelligence. Especially when a Dirge can destroy you with autoattack. __________________ NAGAFEN Server DAEMIEN 92 Shadowknight XEOS 92 Ranger EXILON 92 Inquisitor.

07-07-2009, 09:23 PM	#19
Curs3 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 225	Orthureon wrote: SumOldMan wrote: Zaitsev@Venekor wrote: I'd wrather not nerf a class unless it is strickly needed. I'd much wrather warriors get a tune up before nerfing another. Except by buffing classes you are in effect giving a relative nerf to all other classes that didn't get a buffin addition to the PVE encounters. You can't just keep buffing classes to the level of the overpowered ones or you will destroy the game and everyone will basically be in god mode. Kinda like the crusaders and non-bard scouts are now. Non-bards... one sec let me catch my breath, I was laughing too hard. Bards in T8 are monsters if played with any kind of intelligence. Especially when a Dirge can destroy you with autoattack. I think that was his point. However it may make the game like that, its not my place to ask to nerf another class. But i am a berserker so i can ask to de-nerf mine

07-08-2009, 04:09 AM	#20
Muraazi Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 302	To the OP... I really don't see the significance to class balance by pitting the two classes in question against each other in a 1v 1. Especially in a tier that SKs are known for being OP. While I am not disagreeing with you, I really think you are going about it the wrong way. __________________

07-08-2009, 04:12 AM	#21
We_want_your_soul Loremaster Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 194	tylermadeit wrote: There is a clear and absurd miscalculation between the amount of dmg warriors recieve, give, and heal for versus crusaders making them an utterly useless class to pvp with until I'm hoping T6. My personal story: 29 Champ Zerker (my group does all the work) Max AA in all the right places. WIS line maxed. Fully adorned. 3 peices of noxious resist jewelry. 2 pieces of WIS MC jewelry. (for resists) Character Traits specd for disease resist. Fully mastered. Level 21 SK > 29 zerker Level 24 SK > 29 Zerker \| This guy didnt even HT me, didnt matter though becuase I couldnt even do 10% damage to him before I died. Dont give me that 'no skill' crap, I'm warrior, all I do is push combat abilities and pop cure potions. Not too much skill required. I'll get another cruader to 1v1 me and parse it for proof....soon before I /delete and roll crusader like everyone else. My suggestions to improve zerkers: Increase chance to trigger "Blood Rage" or increase heal amount. Add significant resists to "Wall of Rage" and the other temporary defense buffs. You do realize that WIS line (besides 4-1) is absolutely terrible right? If you're max AA at level 29 you should be 4-4-8 STR 4-4-8 STA and 4-1 INT and working on getting 4-1 for belly smash. That is your problem, your terrible use of AAs.

07-08-2009, 04:19 AM	#22
We_want_your_soul Loremaster Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 194	We_want_your_soul wrote: Crusaders are very op in T2-T7. And slightly OP in T8. They need to be nerfed, its pretty obvious. Even the SKs I know admit it. By the way, don't ever post on my account again.

07-08-2009, 05:03 AM	#23
Dorsan Server: Nagafen Guild: Onyx Rank: Member Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 971	Muraazi wrote: To the OP... I really don't see the significance to class balance by pitting the two classes in question against each other in a 1v 1. Especially in a tier that SKs are known for being OP. While I am not disagreeing with you, I really think you are going about it the wrong way. Do you know what class balance means? Because if the classes would be balanced then this: Muraazi wrote: Especially in a tier that SKs are known for being OP. should not happen. __________________

07-08-2009, 06:15 AM	#24
Muraazi Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 302	Dorsan@Nagafen wrote: Muraazi wrote: To the OP... I really don't see the significance to class balance by pitting the two classes in question against each other in a 1v 1. Especially in a tier that SKs are known for being OP. While I am not disagreeing with you, I really think you are going about it the wrong way. Do you know what class balance means? Because if the classes would be balanced then this: Muraazi wrote: Especially in a tier that SKs are known for being OP. should not happen. Yes, I know what class balance is. But, I also realize there are far too many variables to judge them based on a few 1 vs 1's. 1 vs 1's should never be used when talking about balance. Some classes are and will always be stronger in different aspects of the game. Again, I never said I disagree'd with the OP. I said he was going about it the wrong way. While I can agree that crusaders have too much atm. I can't agree with basing balance on the previously mentioned fights. __________________

07-08-2009, 08:22 AM	#25
Faenril Server: Nagafen Guild: Purity Rank: Sushi Maker - Alt Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,136	class balance does not mean that every class get a fair shot at killing every class 1 v 1.

07-08-2009, 10:12 AM	#26
Azekah1 Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,887	Faenril@Nagafen wrote: class balance does not mean that every class get a fair shot at killing every class 1 v 1. go roll a zerker and fight some sks and then come here and say what you think class balance should be...lulz

07-08-2009, 11:05 AM	#27
Faenril Server: Nagafen Guild: Purity Rank: Sushi Maker - Alt Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,136	Azekah1 wrote: Faenril@Nagafen wrote: class balance does not mean that every class get a fair shot at killing every class 1 v 1. go roll a zerker and fight some sks and then come here and say what you think class balance should be...lulz Try a equally geared bruiser at end game on an enchanter and tell me about it ... This is nothing new classes have always been inbalanced especially in their teens where some classes already have some nice flashy nukes (fury ?) when others are still struggling with weak CAs and auto attack

07-08-2009, 11:17 AM	#28
Azekah1 Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,887	Faenril@Nagafen wrote: Azekah1 wrote: Faenril@Nagafen wrote: class balance does not mean that every class get a fair shot at killing every class 1 v 1. go roll a zerker and fight some sks and then come here and say what you think class balance should be...lulz Try a equally geared bruiser at end game on an enchanter and tell me about it ... This is nothing new classes have always been inbalanced especially in their teens where some classes already have some nice flashy nukes (fury ?) when others are still struggling with weak CAs and auto attack then you should understand the plight of the OP : ) currently, there is no point to play anything other than a pally or sk in the lower tiers for a tank. that makes it kind of boring...

07-08-2009, 11:38 AM	#29
Bloodfa Server: Nagafen General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,873	If they couldn't heal so well, they wouldn't be the only tank for PvP. They can out lifetap a Necro; I'd be ticked if I had a Necro. I mean, isn't that the Necro's bread & butter? __________________

07-08-2009, 12:39 PM	#30
Magius789 Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 580	Bloodfang@Nagafen wrote: If they couldn't heal so well, they wouldn't be the only tank for PvP. They can out lifetap a Necro; I'd be ticked if I had a Necro. I mean, isn't that the Necro's bread & butter? They should switch it. Give the necro all the cool and effective lifetaps the SK gets and give the SK the very small and not so effective lifetaps the necro's have. As it stands right now the SK's lifetaps are actually noticeable when you get into a fight where as the necro's are not.