Please, end the Void storyline. - Page 2

shadowscale · 06-22-2009, 09:00 PM

feh its just villen sterotypeing. look in D&D, the metalic dragons are rather friendly and helpful to other races.

everyone saying the void plot is over done? dragon slaying is more so really, thats rather done to death in multiple games/storys...

Cusashorn · 06-22-2009, 09:03 PM

Yes, but unlike with dragon slaying, it doesn't get SHOVED DOWN OUR THROATS! Players are given the option to kill dragons. The Void is FORCED on us.

shadowscale · 06-22-2009, 09:10 PM

Cusashorn wrote:

Yes, but unlike with dragon slaying, it doesn't get SHOVED DOWN OUR THROATS! Players are given the option to kill dragons. The Void is FORCED on us.

uhh VP? we kinda were forced to do that to finnish kunark. DoF? we had to kill the two dragons there to progress to dijin master. KoS? you couldent avoid killing some kind of dragon.

sure the void plot might be over done to but throwing in another dragon shows a lack of creativity as well. they seem to be generic end bosses.

keep in mind kyrafym is still out there, the remaining dragons not loayl to him may need the help of mortals to bring him down one day. they might be arrogent, but they arnt stupid.

also.. how is this any more sci fi then when ralloses army invaded earth. how are the shadowmen any diffrent then any other creature from a diffrent plane? is shard of hate and fear sci fi becaus they are diffrent planes of existance? by the definition of alien being used here. wouldent any elementals and almageddens be called aliens?

Homeskillet · 06-22-2009, 09:32 PM

The argument is not based on it being repetative. Yes there were dragons you faced in Kingdom of Sky, which had an AMAZING plot involving a new cult based around the Sleeper that had even the mother of Phara Dar become a fanatic. The fact that a more chunks of the Plane of Sky bled into Norrath was a huge story element. Nagafen was deeply involved in this plot and there were multiple parties with varied agendas; the Quellthulians, Lord Vyemm, Gorenair and Talendor, all represented slightly differing factions within the Cult of the Awakened. You also had the invasion of the forces of Fear in Tenebrous Tangle. The Claymore, despite eventually being tied to the Void, was a subplot of this expansion at best and yet did not shove the Void down our throats. There was so much to awe over with the fact that both Claws of Veeshan and Ring of Scale dragons had decided to follow Kerafym in a brand new faction of dragonkind, something that had not happened since the original split of the Ring from the Claws.

DoF had two dragons we had to kill yes, but there were THREE large plot elements in this expansion. The Godking involved the city of Anket Akhen and the culture of the Sul'dal elves, a mysterious group of Eldarr Elves that split off to follow Anashti Sul, the predecessor to Rodcent Nife. We learn of connections between the Godking and the D'morte vampire clan. We also find vampires from Faydwer taking an active interest in the Silent City and even confront them. In addition to this, there is a seperate plot involving the city of Maj'dul's factions being caught up in a war incited by Dorn B'dynn of the Court of Tears, who is using the Rujarkian orcs to attempt to take over the city. Comparatively the plot involving the Mudeef, the Djinn Master, and the two dragons was nowhere near as in depth.

Lately, it's all VOID VOID VOID NOTHING ELSE INTERESTING IS GOING ON VOID VOID VOID OH HEY WE FORGOT ABOUT ALL THOSE DRAGONS AND VAMPIRES AND OTHER FANCY INTERESTING SUBPLOTS VOID VOID VOID LA LA LA VOID.

shadowscale · 06-22-2009, 09:41 PM

hm? the void plot was around sence the launch of the game, all it did now was reach its climax. it even extends on the lore of anashti sul. and this hasent been the first time the name theer has been mentiond.

and its not like they are the compleat focus, mayong is still out there messing with stuff. and the valintines event has mentiond issues with the plane of love. lucian is going to end up being important as well with soulfire. there is still the mystery of the qeynos claymore that needs to be answerd. and we still have a dept to nagafen after doing the deathtoll accses.

Homeskillet · 06-22-2009, 09:44 PM

Yes, my point is that it was alluded to in previous expansions in which you say the whole dragon thing is the same as the Void. There were a variety of other things all going on, many threats, interests etc. With the Shadow Odyssey..there is almost NOTHING else going on in Moors but that, the other elements ie Guk, Befallen, Kunark are barely fleshed out beyond the actual group and raid instances.

shadowscale · 06-22-2009, 09:46 PM

hmm ok have a point there. but that dosent have to do with the void itself, just poor implantation. that can be screwed up even if they do bring in a new plot.

Homeskillet · 06-22-2009, 09:56 PM

No, its just kind of an annoying blanket thing. Gunthak pirates? Who cares! VOID SERVANTS. Holy crap there is a whole section of the underfoot exposed! Who cares, look at Palace of Ferzhul over there past all this mushroom crap!

Oh wow, apparently the Greenmist converted a whole bunch of Ogres into a NEW [Removed for Content] RACE FOR CAZIC THULE. There is so much potential story there. Who cares! Let's just make them a solo mob stop over on our way to the VOID! For flavor though, lets make one of the solo Thullosian named look like the Hulk dur hur. He is green get it? Green and big? He'll even wear purple pants!

Guktans and Trolls working together? Nah, just a book to mention they have a hugfest now because of the VOID!

I understand this is essentially the sticky climax for the Void plot but TSO could have been much more well done. It REEKS of Gates of Discord.

Cusashorn · 06-22-2009, 09:56 PM

shadowscale wrote:

Cusashorn wrote:
Yes, but unlike with dragon slaying, it doesn't get SHOVED DOWN OUR THROATS! Players are given the option to kill dragons. The Void is FORCED on us.
uhh VP? we kinda were forced to do that to finnish kunark. DoF? we had to kill the two dragons there to progress to dijin master. KoS? you couldent avoid killing some kind of dragon.
sure the void plot might be over done to but throwing in another dragon shows a lack of creativity as well. they seem to be generic end bosses.
keep in mind kyrafym is still out there, the remaining dragons not loayl to him may need the help of mortals to bring him down one day. they might be arrogent, but they arnt stupid.
also.. how is this any more sci fi then when ralloses army invaded earth. how are the shadowmen any diffrent then any other creature from a diffrent plane? is shard of hate and fear sci fi becaus they are diffrent planes of existance? by the definition of alien being used here. wouldent any elementals and almageddens be called aliens?

The planes have been in the game since the very start. The Void is an alternate dimension entirely. It's not part of Norrath, which is why it feels so alien.

shadowscale · 06-22-2009, 10:08 PM

Homeskillet wrote:

No, its just kind of an annoying blanket thing. Gunthak pirates? Who cares! VOID SERVANTS. Holy crap there is a whole section of the underfoot exposed! Who cares, look at Palace of Ferzhul over there past all this mushroom crap!
Oh wow, apparently the Greenmist converted a whole bunch of Ogres into a NEW [Removed for Content] RACE FOR CAZIC THULE. There is so much potential story there. Who cares! Let's just make them a solo mob stop over on our way to the VOID! For flavor though, lets make one of the solo Thullosian named look like the Hulk dur hur. He is green get it? Green and big? He'll even wear purple pants!
Guktans and Trolls working together? Nah, just a book to mention they have a hugfest now because of the VOID!
I understand this is essentially the sticky climax for the Void plot but TSO could have been much more well done. It REEKS of Gates of Discord.

ya i do admit to there could have been alot more done with some of that, but poor implantation like that can happen with any plot.

i would honistly like to know more about the thulosians and the part of the underfoot you mentiond. i havent heard of the underfoot part.

really i would be saying lighten up on the void plot, rather then remove it entirely. its not finnished yet itself.

Cusashorn · 06-22-2009, 10:13 PM

Yeah.. Whats this about the underfoot being exposed now?

Homeskillet · 06-22-2009, 10:15 PM

The Tillage Patch is essentially an exposed part of the Underfoot. By appearances, the Moors of Ykesha is Innothule swamp that got pushed up into this giant cliff island that defies physics, since now the Innothule Swamp is now a contained valley within the Moors. Technically it should have ceased being a swamp due to run off of water and the sudden shift in elevation that assumingly occured during the Rending.. Broken Skull rock is at the same sea level as it always has been, it is the location of the Palace of Ferzhul. The Tillage patch was lifted up and exposed with it, so that coastal area of the Moors is actually a former area of the Underfoot which was settled by the Survival Accord whom cooporated with a friendly group of Shroom Men.

Cusashorn · 06-22-2009, 10:21 PM

Homeskillet wrote:

The Tillage Patch is essentially an exposed part of the Underfoot. By appearances, the Moors of Ykesha is Innothule swamp that got pushed up into this giant cliff island that defies physics, since now the Innothule Swamp is now a contained valley within the Moors. Technically it should have ceased being a swamp due to run off of water and the sudden shift in elevation that assumingly occured during the Rending.. Broken Skull rock is at the same sea level as it always has been, it is the location of the Palace of Ferzhul. The Tillage patch was lifted up and exposed with it, so that coastal area of the Moors is actually a former area of the Underfoot which was settled by the Survival Accord whom cooporated with a friendly group of Shroom Men.

I don't know where you came to that conclusion that it is, because there were natural fungus men living in Innothule Swamp in EQlive, and the questlines mention nothing about the Underfoot.

Homeskillet · 06-22-2009, 10:24 PM

They never bothered to explain why Innothule is a swamp contained in a valley resting on an enormous pillar of rock that did not somehow collapse in upon itself. Tillage Patch is indeed an exposed portion of the Underfoot. I may be wrong but by the borderline alien features, the elevation difference between the swamp contained by chunks of the Rathe mountains that still rise further above even the swamp itself, its pretty much there.

Winter · 06-22-2009, 10:32 PM

The... the void thing did get a little tired. ^_^;

LordPazuzu · 06-22-2009, 10:56 PM

Having everything single thing come back to the Void in the end gets tiring for me. Constant looming apocalypse is just so blah and Buffy the Vampire Slayer did it better.

Cusashorn · 06-22-2009, 11:08 PM

well until someone clarifies through quests or developer intervention, there's no proof that Tillage Patch is part of the Underfoot.

LordPazuzu · 06-22-2009, 11:23 PM

Cusashorn wrote:

well until someone clarifies through quests or developer intervention, there's no proof that Tillage Patch is part of the Underfoot.

Looks more like a section of the sea floor that was dredged up and settled by mushrooms and troll pirates from Brokenskull Rock.

dawy · 06-23-2009, 07:46 AM

Meaghan@Lucan DLere wrote:

Having everything single thing come back to the Void in the end gets tiring for me. Constant looming apocalypse is just so blah and Buffy the Vampire Slayer did it better.

LOL,aye buffy would have whooped the voids backside a longtime back.

Khurghan · 06-23-2009, 12:58 PM

Please no more aliens!

I remember seeing some stuff on player feed-back from G.o.D. (yeah that's a long time ago but ..) and one of those was players didn't like "alien monsters" please go back and read that stuff sony.

andurilh · 06-23-2009, 04:18 PM

Brickfist wrote:

Yes please end it. And no more purple. I like grape kool-aid, I don't really wanna wear it though.

I support this 100% as long as we can extend this moratorium to armor. Whatever artist has settled into this area of the color spectrum needs a nudge. Or a noogie.

bleh, on second glace the poster did say "wear". So a 100% support as it stands.

Rainmare · 06-23-2009, 06:23 PM

I personally have enjoyed the Void. I got sick of the 'evil dragon faction 01' in Eq1.

and the Void is no [Removed for Content] different then the Planes. it's a seperate reality/dimension. this one is more akin to a black hole, while the planes are simply the lego toys of the Gods. are the planes 'tied' into Norrath? yes, by the will of the gods. as they have proven, they can at a whim shut us out of the Planes with no way to get to them.

you talked about all these subplots in the previous expansions. the Ring of Fate, the Claymore, Soulfire, etc. name one that dosn't involve Mayong, or a dragon. I can only think of 2. the Ring of Fate and the Peacock line. everything else has been tied into Mayong, or the dragons. (theorectically you can probably tie the peacock line to mayong as it involves the D'morte vampires who are actively trying to usurp Mayong's power in the vampire realm)

So do you want to just get rid of Mayong now? I mean he's been in every major expansion past KoS as a power player. you can't do any of the major storylines without running into him or working for him or working against him.

the Void has been here since day 1. they've been secretive, hiding, learning, waiting. now with TSO. and the LS update and this one, we're seeing them pull out a full scale attack on us. there are 2 powers in the Void. Theer and Anashti Sul. in TSO, we sever Anashti from the void, fight back hard, and manage to best at least one half of the 'dark powers'.

I imagine in the next expansion, or maybe in a LU before then, we're going to see us face Theer.

I akin TSO to the Battle of Helm's Deep in LoTR. Anashti is our Saruman. we have to get past her, so we can rally and prove that they can be beaten, before we take on Sauron/Theer.

Morghus · 06-23-2009, 06:34 PM

Rainmare@Oasis wrote:

So do you want to just get rid of Mayong now?

In a word, yes. He was overdone and overused in eqlive, and overdone and overused now in eq2. Mayong has been pretty much just a way to "god mode" as he was pretty much invincible in all the eqlive gm events in the past. If the next expansion will be velious, I will hope they finally tie off the dragon's role in norrath in some way. Even those among them knew that their end was coming in eqlive.

You say, 'Hail, Klandicar' Klandicar says 'Oi, what is this? A Half Elf, if my tired old eyes are not mistaken. Knew it would happen. Sooner rather than later. No stopping the flood now, eh?' You say, 'What flood?' Klandicar says 'The flood of beings to Velious. Starts with a trickle, like all floods. Sweeps the old away in the end, leaving a new landscape. Blessing and shame that I will not be around to see it all unfold.' You say, 'why won't you be around?' Klandicar says 'I will be leaving this world soon enough, I think. Too tired to continue this existence, too jaded to believe tomorrow would be any different than today. Seeing you here is the most exciting thing that has happened to me in aeons, and even that isn't enough to make me want to continue. Yes, it is the Necropolis for me, and the swift embrace of fire, and then my dust shall fly free as I once did.' You say, 'Why don't you fly free anymore?' Klandicar says 'Dragons have never been truly free. The Claws, the Ring, the One Who Sleeps, our very nature, all conspire to keep us enslaved. We can not grow beyond what we are now, so doomed we all are. Masters of this world we are not. Your very presence here screams this to any who have ears to hear. The Age of Scale is long past.' You say, 'why is it long past?' Klandicar says 'It proves how weak and static our race has become. Here you stand, in the most sacred of places, fearing nothing, daring to converse with me. If I were to consume you now, a dozen would appear to replace you. As mighty as Dragonkind is, we can never hope to match the power you wield. Dragons have limits set upon themselves, while you and your kind refuse to accept any limits. We can not compete with that. If only we could throw off these shackles we bind ourselves with.' You say, 'What not cast off the shackles?' Klandicar says 'I do not see this happening. Too proud, too sure of ourselves, as a race we could never concede that we have anything to learn from the likes of you. We need a revelation. Something to open our eye, a poke in the rump. The Iksar almost woke us up, they had us united and striving for something for a brief while, but the Iksar Empire was in many ways as doomed as we are, too inflexible. What does not bend will break. The same could be said of the Kromzek.' You say, 'What about the kromzek?' Klandicar says 'The Kromzek are also clinging to the old ways, they have changed no more than we have over the generations. We kill some,they kill some, nothing really changes. Now the Coldain, they are a group to admire, the first trickles of that flood I spoke of.' You say, 'What about the coldain?' Klandicar says 'I admire the Coldain They are strong because they adapt. They fought the Kromzek to a standstill, then pushed them back. They have not really crossed Dragons yet, but I feel that if they had a feud with us, they would present quite a challenge. And lo! There is a whole WORLD of peoples such as yourself, hardy and flexible as the Coldain, and here you stand at our doorstep, knocking.'

This was from eqlive, which supposedly is around 500 years before our current situation. Their time is at an end and their race in the decline. The ring of scale and their leader Trakanon, one of the more powerful dragons is now dead. Either the dragons find their revelation and change, or they should die off as the lore has repeatedly hinted that they would.

Taldier · 06-23-2009, 09:51 PM

Rainmare@Oasis wrote:

I personally have enjoyed the Void. I got sick of the 'evil dragon faction 01' in Eq1.
and the Void is no [Removed for Content] different then the Planes.

The reason people play a Fantasy game IS to kill dragons and orcs and vampires and Fantasy creatures. Its cliche because Its #*@$ing supposed to be. People Want to be reminded of D&D or Tolkien or Forgotten Realms or any of the hundreds of various Fantasy books they read as kids.

It doesnt matter how lore is used to explain the void, the fact still remains that youre fighting a refugee from area 51 with some crazy antigrav hover device. Space aliens do Not belong in a Fantasy game. The top of kurns tower, a zone that had so much possiblity, looks like a #@#$ space ship.

EVE is that way ----->

liveja · 06-23-2009, 10:12 PM

Taldier@Venekor wrote:

The top of kurns tower, a zone that had so much possiblity, looks like a #@#$ space ship.

I nearly cried when I saw the Void thingie sticking up out of the top of Kurn's Tower, so mark me down for ending the Void story, preferrably before the next xpac.

Maroger · 06-24-2009, 02:04 PM

I agree I hope this is the end of the VOid Storyline - it was one of the worst storylines in the game!!

Thunndar316 · 06-24-2009, 02:35 PM

I am much more interested in the possible Velious/Kunark war than I ever was in the entire void plot.

Galithdor · 06-24-2009, 03:27 PM

Thunndar316 wrote:

I am much more interested in the possible Velious/Kunark war than I ever was in the entire void plot.

Same...the void was interesting when tossed in as a random thing, but the Void invasion is old

GrunEQ · 06-24-2009, 03:47 PM

The void was nice for a brief change of pace....but it's over stayed it welcome.

Rainmare · 06-24-2009, 06:04 PM

what I meant was that everyone wants dragons, dragons, dragons. I'm tired of the dragons always being the super bad villian. where the hell are the norrath version of the 'metallic' dragons. you know, the ones that were good guys? I bet you five to one if they introduced the Rygorr Chief as the newest bad guy, people would still be going '[Removed for Content]...it's a ORC. how badass can he be?!'

No one complains about going to Hate, or Fear. Yet everyone complains about the Void. and there's really NO difference between them other then the models of the creatures. Fear and Hate can be anything Cazic or Inny want it to be, and they aren't attached to norrath except for a 'gateway' in one of the zones...you know, kinda like those Void Anchors? I bet if they'd put the Grathok mob in Hate to replace the golems and never introduced them as 'void' monsters, not one of you would complain about them now.

I don't see anyone complaining that Rodcet Nife looks like a green 'area 51' alien. Yet everyone wants to complain about the 'area 51' Void/Shadowedmen. Why is that? because it's Rodcet Nife?

it's been 500 years. the old Kurns tower has been consumed by the void in places as part of thier invasion. and frankly, good riddance. if I wanted zombie and skeleton zones I'd just stay with Befallen, which was all Kurns in Eq1 reminded me of. Befallen on Kunark.

The lore on it was nice, don't get me wrong there. but as a zone, I got the 'been there, done that' feeling the second I stepped inside it.

But that's all a side track. back to the topic at hand.

So do answer me. why is it okay to have the God of Health look like a little green space man, but not okay for the Void monsters to sport the same appearance in a different color?

why is it okay to venture to extra planar realms that are owned by Gods, and not okay to go to the extra planar realm that is basically Purgatory/Oblivion? I have an elven paladin that I can send to his version of Hell (PoH) but it's a terrible gaming idea to send him to Purgatory.

06-22-2009, 09:10 PM	#33
shadowscale Forum Dragon Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,535	Cusashorn wrote: Yes, but unlike with dragon slaying, it doesn't get SHOVED DOWN OUR THROATS! Players are given the option to kill dragons. The Void is FORCED on us. uhh VP? we kinda were forced to do that to finnish kunark. DoF? we had to kill the two dragons there to progress to dijin master. KoS? you couldent avoid killing some kind of dragon. sure the void plot might be over done to but throwing in another dragon shows a lack of creativity as well. they seem to be generic end bosses. keep in mind kyrafym is still out there, the remaining dragons not loayl to him may need the help of mortals to bring him down one day. they might be arrogent, but they arnt stupid. also.. how is this any more sci fi then when ralloses army invaded earth. how are the shadowmen any diffrent then any other creature from a diffrent plane? is shard of hate and fear sci fi becaus they are diffrent planes of existance? by the definition of alien being used here. wouldent any elementals and almageddens be called aliens?

06-22-2009, 09:32 PM	#34
Homeskillet Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 388	The argument is not based on it being repetative. Yes there were dragons you faced in Kingdom of Sky, which had an AMAZING plot involving a new cult based around the Sleeper that had even the mother of Phara Dar become a fanatic. The fact that a more chunks of the Plane of Sky bled into Norrath was a huge story element. Nagafen was deeply involved in this plot and there were multiple parties with varied agendas; the Quellthulians, Lord Vyemm, Gorenair and Talendor, all represented slightly differing factions within the Cult of the Awakened. You also had the invasion of the forces of Fear in Tenebrous Tangle. The Claymore, despite eventually being tied to the Void, was a subplot of this expansion at best and yet did not shove the Void down our throats. There was so much to awe over with the fact that both Claws of Veeshan and Ring of Scale dragons had decided to follow Kerafym in a brand new faction of dragonkind, something that had not happened since the original split of the Ring from the Claws. DoF had two dragons we had to kill yes, but there were THREE large plot elements in this expansion. The Godking involved the city of Anket Akhen and the culture of the Sul'dal elves, a mysterious group of Eldarr Elves that split off to follow Anashti Sul, the predecessor to Rodcent Nife. We learn of connections between the Godking and the D'morte vampire clan. We also find vampires from Faydwer taking an active interest in the Silent City and even confront them. In addition to this, there is a seperate plot involving the city of Maj'dul's factions being caught up in a war incited by Dorn B'dynn of the Court of Tears, who is using the Rujarkian orcs to attempt to take over the city. Comparatively the plot involving the Mudeef, the Djinn Master, and the two dragons was nowhere near as in depth. Lately, it's all VOID VOID VOID NOTHING ELSE INTERESTING IS GOING ON VOID VOID VOID OH HEY WE FORGOT ABOUT ALL THOSE DRAGONS AND VAMPIRES AND OTHER FANCY INTERESTING SUBPLOTS VOID VOID VOID LA LA LA VOID. __________________ Solufein Alastrarran

06-22-2009, 09:44 PM	#36
Homeskillet Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 388	Yes, my point is that it was alluded to in previous expansions in which you say the whole dragon thing is the same as the Void. There were a variety of other things all going on, many threats, interests etc. With the Shadow Odyssey..there is almost NOTHING else going on in Moors but that, the other elements ie Guk, Befallen, Kunark are barely fleshed out beyond the actual group and raid instances. __________________ Solufein Alastrarran

06-22-2009, 09:56 PM	#38
Homeskillet Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 388	No, its just kind of an annoying blanket thing. Gunthak pirates? Who cares! VOID SERVANTS. Holy crap there is a whole section of the underfoot exposed! Who cares, look at Palace of Ferzhul over there past all this mushroom crap! Oh wow, apparently the Greenmist converted a whole bunch of Ogres into a NEW [Removed for Content] RACE FOR CAZIC THULE. There is so much potential story there. Who cares! Let's just make them a solo mob stop over on our way to the VOID! For flavor though, lets make one of the solo Thullosian named look like the Hulk dur hur. He is green get it? Green and big? He'll even wear purple pants! Guktans and Trolls working together? Nah, just a book to mention they have a hugfest now because of the VOID! I understand this is essentially the sticky climax for the Void plot but TSO could have been much more well done. It REEKS of Gates of Discord. __________________ Solufein Alastrarran

06-22-2009, 09:56 PM	#39
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	shadowscale wrote: Cusashorn wrote: Yes, but unlike with dragon slaying, it doesn't get SHOVED DOWN OUR THROATS! Players are given the option to kill dragons. The Void is FORCED on us. uhh VP? we kinda were forced to do that to finnish kunark. DoF? we had to kill the two dragons there to progress to dijin master. KoS? you couldent avoid killing some kind of dragon. sure the void plot might be over done to but throwing in another dragon shows a lack of creativity as well. they seem to be generic end bosses. keep in mind kyrafym is still out there, the remaining dragons not loayl to him may need the help of mortals to bring him down one day. they might be arrogent, but they arnt stupid. also.. how is this any more sci fi then when ralloses army invaded earth. how are the shadowmen any diffrent then any other creature from a diffrent plane? is shard of hate and fear sci fi becaus they are diffrent planes of existance? by the definition of alien being used here. wouldent any elementals and almageddens be called aliens? The planes have been in the game since the very start. The Void is an alternate dimension entirely. It's not part of Norrath, which is why it feels so alien.

06-22-2009, 09:00 PM	#31
shadowscale Forum Dragon Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,535	feh its just villen sterotypeing. look in D&D, the metalic dragons are rather friendly and helpful to other races. everyone saying the void plot is over done? dragon slaying is more so really, thats rather done to death in multiple games/storys...

06-22-2009, 09:03 PM	#32
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	Yes, but unlike with dragon slaying, it doesn't get SHOVED DOWN OUR THROATS! Players are given the option to kill dragons. The Void is FORCED on us.

06-22-2009, 09:41 PM	#35
shadowscale Forum Dragon Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,535	hm? the void plot was around sence the launch of the game, all it did now was reach its climax. it even extends on the lore of anashti sul. and this hasent been the first time the name theer has been mentiond. and its not like they are the compleat focus, mayong is still out there messing with stuff. and the valintines event has mentiond issues with the plane of love. lucian is going to end up being important as well with soulfire. there is still the mystery of the qeynos claymore that needs to be answerd. and we still have a dept to nagafen after doing the deathtoll accses.

06-22-2009, 09:46 PM	#37
shadowscale Forum Dragon Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,535	hmm ok have a point there. but that dosent have to do with the void itself, just poor implantation. that can be screwed up even if they do bring in a new plot.

06-22-2009, 10:08 PM	#40
shadowscale Forum Dragon Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,535	Homeskillet wrote: No, its just kind of an annoying blanket thing. Gunthak pirates? Who cares! VOID SERVANTS. Holy crap there is a whole section of the underfoot exposed! Who cares, look at Palace of Ferzhul over there past all this mushroom crap! Oh wow, apparently the Greenmist converted a whole bunch of Ogres into a NEW [Removed for Content] RACE FOR CAZIC THULE. There is so much potential story there. Who cares! Let's just make them a solo mob stop over on our way to the VOID! For flavor though, lets make one of the solo Thullosian named look like the Hulk dur hur. He is green get it? Green and big? He'll even wear purple pants! Guktans and Trolls working together? Nah, just a book to mention they have a hugfest now because of the VOID! I understand this is essentially the sticky climax for the Void plot but TSO could have been much more well done. It REEKS of Gates of Discord. ya i do admit to there could have been alot more done with some of that, but poor implantation like that can happen with any plot. i would honistly like to know more about the thulosians and the part of the underfoot you mentiond. i havent heard of the underfoot part. really i would be saying lighten up on the void plot, rather then remove it entirely. its not finnished yet itself.

06-22-2009, 10:13 PM	#41
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	Yeah.. Whats this about the underfoot being exposed now?

06-22-2009, 10:15 PM	#42
Homeskillet Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 388	The Tillage Patch is essentially an exposed part of the Underfoot. By appearances, the Moors of Ykesha is Innothule swamp that got pushed up into this giant cliff island that defies physics, since now the Innothule Swamp is now a contained valley within the Moors. Technically it should have ceased being a swamp due to run off of water and the sudden shift in elevation that assumingly occured during the Rending.. Broken Skull rock is at the same sea level as it always has been, it is the location of the Palace of Ferzhul. The Tillage patch was lifted up and exposed with it, so that coastal area of the Moors is actually a former area of the Underfoot which was settled by the Survival Accord whom cooporated with a friendly group of Shroom Men. __________________ Solufein Alastrarran

06-22-2009, 10:21 PM	#43
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	Homeskillet wrote: The Tillage Patch is essentially an exposed part of the Underfoot. By appearances, the Moors of Ykesha is Innothule swamp that got pushed up into this giant cliff island that defies physics, since now the Innothule Swamp is now a contained valley within the Moors. Technically it should have ceased being a swamp due to run off of water and the sudden shift in elevation that assumingly occured during the Rending.. Broken Skull rock is at the same sea level as it always has been, it is the location of the Palace of Ferzhul. The Tillage patch was lifted up and exposed with it, so that coastal area of the Moors is actually a former area of the Underfoot which was settled by the Survival Accord whom cooporated with a friendly group of Shroom Men. I don't know where you came to that conclusion that it is, because there were natural fungus men living in Innothule Swamp in EQlive, and the questlines mention nothing about the Underfoot.

06-22-2009, 10:24 PM	#44
Homeskillet Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 388	They never bothered to explain why Innothule is a swamp contained in a valley resting on an enormous pillar of rock that did not somehow collapse in upon itself. Tillage Patch is indeed an exposed portion of the Underfoot. I may be wrong but by the borderline alien features, the elevation difference between the swamp contained by chunks of the Rathe mountains that still rise further above even the swamp itself, its pretty much there. __________________ Solufein Alastrarran

06-22-2009, 10:32 PM	#45
Winter Crazy for Fae! Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 655	The... the void thing did get a little tired. ^_^; __________________

06-22-2009, 10:56 PM	#46
LordPazuzu Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 2,157	Having everything single thing come back to the Void in the end gets tiring for me. Constant looming apocalypse is just so blah and Buffy the Vampire Slayer did it better.

06-22-2009, 11:08 PM	#47
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	well until someone clarifies through quests or developer intervention, there's no proof that Tillage Patch is part of the Underfoot.

06-22-2009, 11:23 PM	#48
LordPazuzu Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 2,157	Cusashorn wrote: well until someone clarifies through quests or developer intervention, there's no proof that Tillage Patch is part of the Underfoot. Looks more like a section of the sea floor that was dredged up and settled by mushrooms and troll pirates from Brokenskull Rock.

06-23-2009, 07:46 AM	#49
dawy Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,373	Meaghan@Lucan DLere wrote: Having everything single thing come back to the Void in the end gets tiring for me. Constant looming apocalypse is just so blah and Buffy the Vampire Slayer did it better. LOL,aye buffy would have whooped the voids backside a longtime back.

06-23-2009, 12:58 PM	#50
Khurghan Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 487	Please no more aliens! I remember seeing some stuff on player feed-back from G.o.D. (yeah that's a long time ago but ..) and one of those was players didn't like "alien monsters" please go back and read that stuff sony.

06-23-2009, 04:18 PM	#51
andurilh Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 34	Brickfist wrote: Yes please end it. And no more purple. I like grape kool-aid, I don't really wanna wear it though. I support this 100% as long as we can extend this moratorium to armor. Whatever artist has settled into this area of the color spectrum needs a nudge. Or a noogie. bleh, on second glace the poster did say "wear". So a 100% support as it stands.

06-23-2009, 06:23 PM	#52
Rainmare Server: Oasis Guild: Pillage Rank: Captain Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,982	I personally have enjoyed the Void. I got sick of the 'evil dragon faction 01' in Eq1. and the Void is no [Removed for Content] different then the Planes. it's a seperate reality/dimension. this one is more akin to a black hole, while the planes are simply the lego toys of the Gods. are the planes 'tied' into Norrath? yes, by the will of the gods. as they have proven, they can at a whim shut us out of the Planes with no way to get to them. you talked about all these subplots in the previous expansions. the Ring of Fate, the Claymore, Soulfire, etc. name one that dosn't involve Mayong, or a dragon. I can only think of 2. the Ring of Fate and the Peacock line. everything else has been tied into Mayong, or the dragons. (theorectically you can probably tie the peacock line to mayong as it involves the D'morte vampires who are actively trying to usurp Mayong's power in the vampire realm) So do you want to just get rid of Mayong now? I mean he's been in every major expansion past KoS as a power player. you can't do any of the major storylines without running into him or working for him or working against him. the Void has been here since day 1. they've been secretive, hiding, learning, waiting. now with TSO. and the LS update and this one, we're seeing them pull out a full scale attack on us. there are 2 powers in the Void. Theer and Anashti Sul. in TSO, we sever Anashti from the void, fight back hard, and manage to best at least one half of the 'dark powers'. I imagine in the next expansion, or maybe in a LU before then, we're going to see us face Theer. I akin TSO to the Battle of Helm's Deep in LoTR. Anashti is our Saruman. we have to get past her, so we can rally and prove that they can be beaten, before we take on Sauron/Theer.

06-23-2009, 06:34 PM	#53
Morghus Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,105	Rainmare@Oasis wrote: So do you want to just get rid of Mayong now? In a word, yes. He was overdone and overused in eqlive, and overdone and overused now in eq2. Mayong has been pretty much just a way to "god mode" as he was pretty much invincible in all the eqlive gm events in the past. If the next expansion will be velious, I will hope they finally tie off the dragon's role in norrath in some way. Even those among them knew that their end was coming in eqlive. You say, 'Hail, Klandicar' Klandicar says 'Oi, what is this? A Half Elf, if my tired old eyes are not mistaken. Knew it would happen. Sooner rather than later. No stopping the flood now, eh?' You say, 'What flood?' Klandicar says 'The flood of beings to Velious. Starts with a trickle, like all floods. Sweeps the old away in the end, leaving a new landscape. Blessing and shame that I will not be around to see it all unfold.' You say, 'why won't you be around?' Klandicar says 'I will be leaving this world soon enough, I think. Too tired to continue this existence, too jaded to believe tomorrow would be any different than today. Seeing you here is the most exciting thing that has happened to me in aeons, and even that isn't enough to make me want to continue. Yes, it is the Necropolis for me, and the swift embrace of fire, and then my dust shall fly free as I once did.' You say, 'Why don't you fly free anymore?' Klandicar says 'Dragons have never been truly free. The Claws, the Ring, the One Who Sleeps, our very nature, all conspire to keep us enslaved. We can not grow beyond what we are now, so doomed we all are. Masters of this world we are not. Your very presence here screams this to any who have ears to hear. The Age of Scale is long past.' You say, 'why is it long past?' Klandicar says 'It proves how weak and static our race has become. Here you stand, in the most sacred of places, fearing nothing, daring to converse with me. If I were to consume you now, a dozen would appear to replace you. As mighty as Dragonkind is, we can never hope to match the power you wield. Dragons have limits set upon themselves, while you and your kind refuse to accept any limits. We can not compete with that. If only we could throw off these shackles we bind ourselves with.' You say, 'What not cast off the shackles?' Klandicar says 'I do not see this happening. Too proud, too sure of ourselves, as a race we could never concede that we have anything to learn from the likes of you. We need a revelation. Something to open our eye, a poke in the rump. The Iksar almost woke us up, they had us united and striving for something for a brief while, but the Iksar Empire was in many ways as doomed as we are, too inflexible. What does not bend will break. The same could be said of the Kromzek.' You say, 'What about the kromzek?' Klandicar says 'The Kromzek are also clinging to the old ways, they have changed no more than we have over the generations. We kill some,they kill some, nothing really changes. Now the Coldain, they are a group to admire, the first trickles of that flood I spoke of.' You say, 'What about the coldain?' Klandicar says 'I admire the Coldain They are strong because they adapt. They fought the Kromzek to a standstill, then pushed them back. They have not really crossed Dragons yet, but I feel that if they had a feud with us, they would present quite a challenge. And lo! There is a whole WORLD of peoples such as yourself, hardy and flexible as the Coldain, and here you stand at our doorstep, knocking.' This was from eqlive, which supposedly is around 500 years before our current situation. Their time is at an end and their race in the decline. The ring of scale and their leader Trakanon, one of the more powerful dragons is now dead. Either the dragons find their revelation and change, or they should die off as the lore has repeatedly hinted that they would.

06-23-2009, 09:51 PM	#54
Taldier Server: Venekor Guild: Opus Dei Rank: Officer Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,071	Rainmare@Oasis wrote: I personally have enjoyed the Void. I got sick of the 'evil dragon faction 01' in Eq1. and the Void is no [Removed for Content] different then the Planes. The reason people play a Fantasy game IS to kill dragons and orcs and vampires and Fantasy creatures. Its cliche because Its #*@$ing supposed to be. People Want to be reminded of D&D or Tolkien or Forgotten Realms or any of the hundreds of various Fantasy books they read as kids. It doesnt matter how lore is used to explain the void, the fact still remains that youre fighting a refugee from area 51 with some crazy antigrav hover device. Space aliens do Not belong in a Fantasy game. The top of kurns tower, a zone that had so much possiblity, looks like a #@#$ space ship. EVE is that way ----->

06-23-2009, 10:12 PM	#55
liveja General Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends Posts: 4,793	Taldier@Venekor wrote: The top of kurns tower, a zone that had so much possiblity, looks like a #@#$ space ship. I nearly cried when I saw the Void thingie sticking up out of the top of Kurn's Tower, so mark me down for ending the Void story, preferrably before the next xpac. __________________

06-24-2009, 02:04 PM	#56
Maroger Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,313	I agree I hope this is the end of the VOid Storyline - it was one of the worst storylines in the game!!

06-24-2009, 02:35 PM	#57
Thunndar316 Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,681	I am much more interested in the possible Velious/Kunark war than I ever was in the entire void plot. __________________ Sleight of Hand is USELESS

06-24-2009, 03:27 PM	#58
Galithdor Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 984	Thunndar316 wrote: I am much more interested in the possible Velious/Kunark war than I ever was in the entire void plot. Same...the void was interesting when tossed in as a random thing, but the Void invasion is old __________________

06-24-2009, 03:47 PM	#59
GrunEQ Tester Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,307	The void was nice for a brief change of pace....but it's over stayed it welcome. __________________ GrunEQ2 "O to be a voyager and a yoyeur no longer."

06-24-2009, 06:04 PM	#60
Rainmare Server: Oasis Guild: Pillage Rank: Captain Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,982	what I meant was that everyone wants dragons, dragons, dragons. I'm tired of the dragons always being the super bad villian. where the hell are the norrath version of the 'metallic' dragons. you know, the ones that were good guys? I bet you five to one if they introduced the Rygorr Chief as the newest bad guy, people would still be going '[Removed for Content]...it's a ORC. how badass can he be?!' No one complains about going to Hate, or Fear. Yet everyone complains about the Void. and there's really NO difference between them other then the models of the creatures. Fear and Hate can be anything Cazic or Inny want it to be, and they aren't attached to norrath except for a 'gateway' in one of the zones...you know, kinda like those Void Anchors? I bet if they'd put the Grathok mob in Hate to replace the golems and never introduced them as 'void' monsters, not one of you would complain about them now. I don't see anyone complaining that Rodcet Nife looks like a green 'area 51' alien. Yet everyone wants to complain about the 'area 51' Void/Shadowedmen. Why is that? because it's Rodcet Nife? it's been 500 years. the old Kurns tower has been consumed by the void in places as part of thier invasion. and frankly, good riddance. if I wanted zombie and skeleton zones I'd just stay with Befallen, which was all Kurns in Eq1 reminded me of. Befallen on Kunark. The lore on it was nice, don't get me wrong there. but as a zone, I got the 'been there, done that' feeling the second I stepped inside it. But that's all a side track. back to the topic at hand. So do answer me. why is it okay to have the God of Health look like a little green space man, but not okay for the Void monsters to sport the same appearance in a different color? why is it okay to venture to extra planar realms that are owned by Gods, and not okay to go to the extra planar realm that is basically Purgatory/Oblivion? I have an elven paladin that I can send to his version of Hell (PoH) but it's a terrible gaming idea to send him to Purgatory.