Critical hits not working as intended

jangaladangit · 06-18-2009, 12:42 AM

I play an assassin. In my current setup I cranked my self buffed critical hit to 110%, 118 with the dirge, and all my combat arts are in fact criticalling every single time but my autoattack is in the 65 - 72 percent range. This seems to be holding true for the other scouts on the raid as well. anyone else seeing similar results?

EasternKing · 06-18-2009, 12:47 AM

I'm guessing this is on Zw inc named fights right?

only time i see this, is on mobs with Damage shields that reduce your crit chance by a stupid amount (200-300%)

the 100% on ca's is probabaly because like me you dont hit ca's b/cos they miss when you have the debuff on you, and so you dont have 0% crit when using ca's, but you still land auto attack's.

have not noticed it on trash parses.

jangaladangit · 06-18-2009, 02:17 AM

It's on 3 zonewides, tombs, inner, and trak.

In ACT if I swing 4 times and miss one, but the three hits critical it will report a 75 percent hit rate and a 100 percent crit rate because 100% of those swings that hit - criticaled. So if it was a clean miss the hit rate may drop, but the critical hits will not.

What Im saying is on those swings that actually connected - melee oriented CA critical 100 percent of the time. Autoattacks on the other hand that actually connect critical only 75% of the time.

EasternKing · 06-18-2009, 09:35 AM

jangaladangit wrote:

It's on 3 zonewides, tombs, inner, and trak.
In ACT if I swing 4 times and miss one, but the three hits critical it will report a 75 percent hit rate and a 100 percent crit rate because 100% of those swings that hit - criticaled. So if it was a clean miss the hit rate may drop, but the critical hits will not.
What Im saying is on those swings that actually connected - melee oriented CA critical 100 percent of the time. Autoattacks on the other hand that actually connect critical only 75% of the time.

You seem to be missing the point of what im saying, lets say your fighting Xebnok, his Damage shield reduces melee crit chance by a substantial amount, so you engage when hes pulled, everything you land on him crits, then his DS triggers, you stop using CA's till its cured, but you do not stop auto attacking, every auto attack you land while you have this Det effect on you lands but it does not crit. this will lower your auto attack crit rate on the ZW.

Also if your bow / ranged item deals slashing or piercing damage, ACT will not split the damage type (melee/ranged) and so unless you have 114% Ranged MC or so, this will also lower your Crit % Total on the ZW.

That being said, i have just loaded up the last 3 nights raiding, and i also after checking every mob fought, have discrepencies that cannot have been caused by the above reasons, ie no DS lowering crit, ranged ammo not same damage type.

so something is either being over looked by us both, or something has changed.

Quicksilver74 · 06-18-2009, 09:42 AM

Ya there are an awful lot of mobs that lower your crit chance nowadays. That is likely what it is. Ranged also is a good suggestion.

Test on a training dummy or 3. If you get 100% crit there, then that tells you for sure it was something about the encounters you were fighting.

GangleG · 06-18-2009, 10:24 AM

Trakanon has a damage shield that reduces your melee crit by 200%.

The snake and xebnok in tombs have a curse that does something similar.

Almost every mob in inner stronghold have the same type of damage shield, not including trash mobs.

How can you be raiding these mobs and not know this?

06-18-2009, 09:35 AM	#4
EasternKing Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,023	jangaladangit wrote: It's on 3 zonewides, tombs, inner, and trak. In ACT if I swing 4 times and miss one, but the three hits critical it will report a 75 percent hit rate and a 100 percent crit rate because 100% of those swings that hit - criticaled. So if it was a clean miss the hit rate may drop, but the critical hits will not. What Im saying is on those swings that actually connected - melee oriented CA critical 100 percent of the time. Autoattacks on the other hand that actually connect critical only 75% of the time. You seem to be missing the point of what im saying, lets say your fighting Xebnok, his Damage shield reduces melee crit chance by a substantial amount, so you engage when hes pulled, everything you land on him crits, then his DS triggers, you stop using CA's till its cured, but you do not stop auto attacking, every auto attack you land while you have this Det effect on you lands but it does not crit. this will lower your auto attack crit rate on the ZW. Also if your bow / ranged item deals slashing or piercing damage, ACT will not split the damage type (melee/ranged) and so unless you have 114% Ranged MC or so, this will also lower your Crit % Total on the ZW. That being said, i have just loaded up the last 3 nights raiding, and i also after checking every mob fought, have discrepencies that cannot have been caused by the above reasons, ie no DS lowering crit, ranged ammo not same damage type. so something is either being over looked by us both, or something has changed.

06-18-2009, 12:42 AM	#1
jangaladangit Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 10	I play an assassin. In my current setup I cranked my self buffed critical hit to 110%, 118 with the dirge, and all my combat arts are in fact criticalling every single time but my autoattack is in the 65 - 72 percent range. This seems to be holding true for the other scouts on the raid as well. anyone else seeing similar results?

06-18-2009, 12:47 AM	#2
EasternKing Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,023	I'm guessing this is on Zw inc named fights right? only time i see this, is on mobs with Damage shields that reduce your crit chance by a stupid amount (200-300%) the 100% on ca's is probabaly because like me you dont hit ca's b/cos they miss when you have the debuff on you, and so you dont have 0% crit when using ca's, but you still land auto attack's. have not noticed it on trash parses.

06-18-2009, 02:17 AM	#3
jangaladangit Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 10	It's on 3 zonewides, tombs, inner, and trak. In ACT if I swing 4 times and miss one, but the three hits critical it will report a 75 percent hit rate and a 100 percent crit rate because 100% of those swings that hit - criticaled. So if it was a clean miss the hit rate may drop, but the critical hits will not. What Im saying is on those swings that actually connected - melee oriented CA critical 100 percent of the time. Autoattacks on the other hand that actually connect critical only 75% of the time.

06-18-2009, 09:42 AM	#5
Quicksilver74 Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,640	Ya there are an awful lot of mobs that lower your crit chance nowadays. That is likely what it is. Ranged also is a good suggestion. Test on a training dummy or 3. If you get 100% crit there, then that tells you for sure it was something about the encounters you were fighting.

06-18-2009, 10:24 AM	#6
GangleG Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 210	Trakanon has a damage shield that reduces your melee crit by 200%. The snake and xebnok in tombs have a curse that does something similar. Almost every mob in inner stronghold have the same type of damage shield, not including trash mobs. How can you be raiding these mobs and not know this?