EQ2 pvp is dominated by hacks, exploits, and other lame stuff

Renaissoxx · 02-19-2009, 10:16 PM

Hacks:

Frequently have people suddenly become "out of sight" or "too far away" when they are right in front of you running into a wall about to die. IE they unplugged their cord or used a packet manipulator program. Sometimes they just warp across the map really quickly.

Exploits:

People group with much higher levels in the middle of a pvp fight and then the higher level player ganks the opposing player or group. Some people have claimed this works by accepting the invite right before they engage at which point it is too late to back down, but I have seen it happen AFTER the other player was already fighting in pvp. (maybe it doesn't update their icon right away when they join.

People run and turn in a quest in the middle of pvp and get a mini-ding when they are about to die.

People run from pvp, regenerate out of combat, then run back. This still happens when multiple ungrouped players attack someone.

Lame stuff:

People die in pvp, then run back while their friends are still fighting.

As a Qeynos Player, groups and raids of Freeport players wander ALL zones both Q and F. As a general rule (at least at the lower tiers) Q players are horribly outnumbered.

Twinbladed · 02-20-2009, 05:28 AM

Yeah because there using third party programs like eq2climb and xunleashed, some players even have radars for whole entire zones. SOE cant fix it obviously for some reason, just like cheatengine hack people still use it. Lag and unpluggin things of that nature are not on soe mind. Yes I did name all these programs because all you got to do is go to youtube an type the eq2 an look (amazing what people will do to win.)

Azekah1 · 02-20-2009, 11:12 AM

It's not dominated...I'm sure it happens...as it happens in every online game...

but to say its dominated? As though most people are doing it?

Onoz@Nagafen wrote:

Exploits:
People group with much higher levels in the middle of a pvp fight

Never seen this before. It's usually not possible to invite anyone once your engaged in combat.

Onoz@Nagafen wrote:

People run and turn in a quest in the middle of pvp and get a mini-ding when they are about to die.
People run from pvp, regenerate out of combat, then run back. This still happens when multiple ungrouped

Lol...yea it happens sometimes, I guess they could put something in there to not allow quest turn ins while in pvp combat. But as far as regenerating then running back...I don't see anything wrong with that.

Onoz@Nagafen wrote:

People die in pvp, then run back while their friends are still fighting.

That is being fixed in next update.

Onoz@Nagafen wrote:

As a general rule (at least at the lower tiers) Q players are horribly outnumbered.

hahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahhaha hahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahah...

dude...seriously?

Vandesdelca · 02-20-2009, 12:02 PM

Onoz@Nagafen wrote:

Hacks:
Frequently have people suddenly become "out of sight" or "too far away" when they are right in front of you running into a wall about to die. IE they unplugged their cord or used a packet manipulator program. Sometimes they just warp across the map really quickly.
Exploits:
People group with much higher levels in the middle of a pvp fight and then the higher level player ganks the opposing player or group. Some people have claimed this works by accepting the invite right before they engage at which point it is too late to back down, but I have seen it happen AFTER the other player was already fighting in pvp. (maybe it doesn't update their icon right away when they join.
People run and turn in a quest in the middle of pvp and get a mini-ding when they are about to die.
People run from pvp, regenerate out of combat, then run back. This still happens when multiple ungrouped players attack someone.
Lame stuff:
People die in pvp, then run back while their friends are still fighting.
As a Qeynos Player, groups and raids of Freeport players wander ALL zones both Q and F. As a general rule (at least at the lower tiers) Q players are horribly outnumbered.

Hacks are something you just have to learn to live with since SOE can fix them but it will only take basically 2 weeks for the hackers to find the new port etc. and get back to buisness.

The grouping with soemone while in pvp combat is basically just someone getting a group invite before pvp starts and then accepting after it starts and it only works about 50% of the time. Mini dings from quests are no different from me killing a mob or killing one of your group members and getting the same thing, if it bothers you that much hit 80 and then it is no longer an issue.

Running and regenerating is a tactic if you see someone doing it don't chase them instead run the other way and renerate yourself.

Renaissoxx · 02-21-2009, 12:03 PM

Azekah1 wrote:

Onoz@Nagafen wrote:
People run and turn in a quest in the middle of pvp and get a mini-ding when they are about to die.
People run from pvp, regenerate out of combat, then run back. This still happens when multiple ungrouped
Lol...yea it happens sometimes, I guess they could put something in there to not allow quest turn ins while in pvp combat. But as far as regenerating then running back...I don't see anything wrong with that.
Onoz@Nagafen wrote:

As a general rule (at least at the lower tiers) Q players are horribly outnumbered.

hahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahhaha hahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahah...
dude...seriously?

Is there something about this you had trouble understanding? Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. All over the forums Freeport players only are complaining about finding pvp. I have NEVER had a lack of pvp in this game - rather the exact opposite. I can't finish a fight with a player or even a couple players without another group or two of freeporters joining in at the last second before the other guy dies. If we group up, they raid up. This happens in every zone, ours, theirs, regardless. One person said a type of census using combined /who commands revealed a 6:1 ratio of Freeport players to Q's but I am not sure how that was conducted.

Your not supposed to be able to engage someone in pvp, then start to lose and run, then keep alive just long enough to get out of combat, then NOT just get away but turn around and attack the guy who is drained from your fight still (possibly even low power from trying to chase your punk self down after you ran) and start fighting him all over again totally fresh.

If you can't see why thats wrong, then you are ridiculous. Sony knows it is wrong and has already tried to fix it. Now both players go in or out of combat at the same time as long as they aren't still attacking. However it is still a problem from ungrouped zerg rushes where a player about to die can just run away and regen while the other guy is still fighting.

Kimber · 02-23-2009, 02:19 AM

Hacks--- Learn to live with it and this happens from Q, Freeps and Exhile there are just some ""unsavory"" players.

Exploits---- Show me a game that does not have them and players that dont use em learn who they are and avoid them of hunt them down and own them when you can your choice.

Lame Stuff--- See Exploits

As for your population issue I have no idea what you are talking about since when I am on its the exact opposite and I am out numbered 6-10Q to 1FP in any zone other than starter zones. I really think it depends on what time you are on tbh. As if I log in for a couple hours here and there over a 24 hour period I do notice a popluation shift at diff times from Q to Exhile to Freeps. So if you want to ouot number the freeps log in at a diff time and it will happen. I flew into 6 full groups of Q and 2 full groups of exhile at Dreggs Landing last night. Wanna know how many freeps were in the zone cause I checked, 18 when I hit hit the /who. Now that number went up as we sent the call out yet more Q and Exhile showed also untill KP1 crashed and KP3 was opened.

Edit to add

Oh and you are in Sovereignty and are complaining about low poulation I hardly ever see a Solo member of your guild in any Tier ( good strat for PvP btw). Your guild is (also from my experiance) some of the biggest gankers and griefers out there. I cannot count the number of times I have been killed by a full group or two full groups of Sovereignty while enguaged with a mob not even for the writ update as I did not drop a chest, or lose fame or anything. The only thing I can think is either a) they were doing it so I would call for help and get more freeps in the zone or b) so I would leave the zone so they could quest or c) so I would take an armor hit and have to spend my cash on repairs instead of spells so I would stay [Removed for Content]. All of which are good PvP strats in all honesty as they keep the other player weaker or raise the amount of PvP in a zone, but in all honesty I think it was more just to be lil punks and a pain in my backside (which is fine too, just shows the mentality of some of your members IMO ) Anyway have a nice day.

draxhellion · 02-23-2009, 03:27 PM

Azekah1 wrote:

It's not dominated...I'm sure it happens...as it happens in every online game...
but to say its dominated? As though most people are doing it?
Onoz@Nagafen wrote:
Exploits:
People group with much higher levels in the middle of a pvp fight
Never seen this before. It's usually not possible to invite anyone once your engaged in combat.
Onoz@Nagafen wrote:
People run and turn in a quest in the middle of pvp and get a mini-ding when they are about to die.
People run from pvp, regenerate out of combat, then run back. This still happens when multiple ungrouped
Lol...yea it happens sometimes, I guess they could put something in there to not allow quest turn ins while in pvp combat. But as far as regenerating then running back...I don't see anything wrong with that.
Onoz@Nagafen wrote:
People die in pvp, then run back while their friends are still fighting.
That is being fixed in next update.
Onoz@Nagafen wrote:
As a general rule (at least at the lower tiers) Q players are horribly outnumbered.
hahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahhaha hahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahah...
dude...seriously?

Onoz@Nagafen wrote:

People run and turn in a quest in the middle of pvp and get a mini-ding when they are about to die.
People run from pvp, regenerate out of combat, then run back. This still happens when multiple ungrouped

I agree with the person that there is nothing with that as far as turning in quests in the middle of pvp combat. Back on sullon zek i had to survive and i wanted to know how and i look at this like nagafen. So i researched and read and i apply this.... which is if iam fighting a person(s) i will unlock my xp and kill a mob and i read this on forums from eq1 back a long time ago. Its called survival! And on nagafen you gotta do whatever you gotta do as long as its not a illegal violation.

I can understand yer frusteration though i mean i get attacked all the time and when people find out iam not easy and run off it kinda bothers me.

As far as the exploits and hacks.... the things which are illegal.. totally wrong. should be banned for life like they did in eq1.

Valenx · 02-23-2009, 05:11 PM

Sounds to me like the OP is a noob and blames hacks and exploits for him sucking at PVP. Seriously go cry somewhere else. Learn to deal with the people who hack or avoid them all together. If you lose to someone because of hacks or whatever than so be it, who cares. Lets also not forget that sometime lag or the occasional LD is inevitable and to automaticaly assume its a hack or exploit is just plain dumb.

Wed · 02-23-2009, 05:42 PM

I'd say about one in every thousand or so fights I have end in some sort of hack. Exploits, meh, hard to define what this encompasses. Doing some anyone is capable of, but not necessarily intended?

Lame stuff? Again, lame isn't easy to define in an open PvP game. I don't define a full group rolling me as lame, some might.

Either way, EQ2 PvP is certainly not dominated by these things. I think the OP probably just needs to man up to life on a PvP server.

Twinbladed · 02-24-2009, 07:56 PM

Valenx@Nagafen wrote:

Sounds to me like the OP is a noob and blames hacks and exploits for him sucking at PVP. Seriously go cry somewhere else. Learn to deal with the people who hack or avoid them all together. If you lose to someone because of hacks or whatever than so be it, who cares. Lets also not forget that sometime lag or the occasional LD is inevitable and to automaticaly assume its a hack or exploit is just plain dumb.

Yes I can agree with some of that, but when someone comes up to u an kill u in less than two seconds (Certain Berserker and Assassin) with over 13 Ca's an it shows up on your act but not your in game combat log there is a problem.

02-20-2009, 11:12 AM	#3
Azekah1 Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,887	It's not dominated...I'm sure it happens...as it happens in every online game... but to say its dominated? As though most people are doing it? Onoz@Nagafen wrote: Exploits: People group with much higher levels in the middle of a pvp fight Never seen this before. It's usually not possible to invite anyone once your engaged in combat. Onoz@Nagafen wrote: People run and turn in a quest in the middle of pvp and get a mini-ding when they are about to die. People run from pvp, regenerate out of combat, then run back. This still happens when multiple ungrouped Lol...yea it happens sometimes, I guess they could put something in there to not allow quest turn ins while in pvp combat. But as far as regenerating then running back...I don't see anything wrong with that. Onoz@Nagafen wrote: People die in pvp, then run back while their friends are still fighting. That is being fixed in next update. Onoz@Nagafen wrote: As a general rule (at least at the lower tiers) Q players are horribly outnumbered. hahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahhaha hahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahah... dude...seriously?

02-20-2009, 12:02 PM	#4
Vandesdelca Server: Vox Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 22	Onoz@Nagafen wrote: Hacks: Frequently have people suddenly become "out of sight" or "too far away" when they are right in front of you running into a wall about to die. IE they unplugged their cord or used a packet manipulator program. Sometimes they just warp across the map really quickly. Exploits: People group with much higher levels in the middle of a pvp fight and then the higher level player ganks the opposing player or group. Some people have claimed this works by accepting the invite right before they engage at which point it is too late to back down, but I have seen it happen AFTER the other player was already fighting in pvp. (maybe it doesn't update their icon right away when they join. People run and turn in a quest in the middle of pvp and get a mini-ding when they are about to die. People run from pvp, regenerate out of combat, then run back. This still happens when multiple ungrouped players attack someone. Lame stuff: People die in pvp, then run back while their friends are still fighting. As a Qeynos Player, groups and raids of Freeport players wander ALL zones both Q and F. As a general rule (at least at the lower tiers) Q players are horribly outnumbered. Hacks are something you just have to learn to live with since SOE can fix them but it will only take basically 2 weeks for the hackers to find the new port etc. and get back to buisness. The grouping with soemone while in pvp combat is basically just someone getting a group invite before pvp starts and then accepting after it starts and it only works about 50% of the time. Mini dings from quests are no different from me killing a mob or killing one of your group members and getting the same thing, if it bothers you that much hit 80 and then it is no longer an issue. Running and regenerating is a tactic if you see someone doing it don't chase them instead run the other way and renerate yourself.

02-21-2009, 12:03 PM	#5
Renaissoxx Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 19	Azekah1 wrote: Onoz@Nagafen wrote: People run and turn in a quest in the middle of pvp and get a mini-ding when they are about to die. People run from pvp, regenerate out of combat, then run back. This still happens when multiple ungrouped Lol...yea it happens sometimes, I guess they could put something in there to not allow quest turn ins while in pvp combat. But as far as regenerating then running back...I don't see anything wrong with that. Onoz@Nagafen wrote: As a general rule (at least at the lower tiers) Q players are horribly outnumbered. hahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahhaha hahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahah... dude...seriously? Is there something about this you had trouble understanding? Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. All over the forums Freeport players only are complaining about finding pvp. I have NEVER had a lack of pvp in this game - rather the exact opposite. I can't finish a fight with a player or even a couple players without another group or two of freeporters joining in at the last second before the other guy dies. If we group up, they raid up. This happens in every zone, ours, theirs, regardless. One person said a type of census using combined /who commands revealed a 6:1 ratio of Freeport players to Q's but I am not sure how that was conducted. Your not supposed to be able to engage someone in pvp, then start to lose and run, then keep alive just long enough to get out of combat, then NOT just get away but turn around and attack the guy who is drained from your fight still (possibly even low power from trying to chase your punk self down after you ran) and start fighting him all over again totally fresh. If you can't see why thats wrong, then you are ridiculous. Sony knows it is wrong and has already tried to fix it. Now both players go in or out of combat at the same time as long as they aren't still attacking. However it is still a problem from ungrouped zerg rushes where a player about to die can just run away and regen while the other guy is still fighting.

02-23-2009, 02:19 AM	#6
Kimber Server: Nagafen Guild: Rapture Rank: Ni4Ni CEO Alts Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 721	Hacks--- Learn to live with it and this happens from Q, Freeps and Exhile there are just some ""unsavory"" players. Exploits---- Show me a game that does not have them and players that dont use em learn who they are and avoid them of hunt them down and own them when you can your choice. Lame Stuff--- See Exploits As for your population issue I have no idea what you are talking about since when I am on its the exact opposite and I am out numbered 6-10Q to 1FP in any zone other than starter zones. I really think it depends on what time you are on tbh. As if I log in for a couple hours here and there over a 24 hour period I do notice a popluation shift at diff times from Q to Exhile to Freeps. So if you want to ouot number the freeps log in at a diff time and it will happen. I flew into 6 full groups of Q and 2 full groups of exhile at Dreggs Landing last night. Wanna know how many freeps were in the zone cause I checked, 18 when I hit hit the /who. Now that number went up as we sent the call out yet more Q and Exhile showed also untill KP1 crashed and KP3 was opened. Edit to add Oh and you are in Sovereignty and are complaining about low poulation I hardly ever see a Solo member of your guild in any Tier ( good strat for PvP btw). Your guild is (also from my experiance) some of the biggest gankers and griefers out there. I cannot count the number of times I have been killed by a full group or two full groups of Sovereignty while enguaged with a mob not even for the writ update as I did not drop a chest, or lose fame or anything. The only thing I can think is either a) they were doing it so I would call for help and get more freeps in the zone or b) so I would leave the zone so they could quest or c) so I would take an armor hit and have to spend my cash on repairs instead of spells so I would stay [Removed for Content]. All of which are good PvP strats in all honesty as they keep the other player weaker or raise the amount of PvP in a zone, but in all honesty I think it was more just to be lil punks and a pain in my backside (which is fine too, just shows the mentality of some of your members IMO ) Anyway have a nice day. __________________ Server Nagafen Guild Sickpuppies

02-23-2009, 03:27 PM	#7
draxhellion Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 79	Azekah1 wrote: It's not dominated...I'm sure it happens...as it happens in every online game... but to say its dominated? As though most people are doing it? Onoz@Nagafen wrote: Exploits: People group with much higher levels in the middle of a pvp fight Never seen this before. It's usually not possible to invite anyone once your engaged in combat. Onoz@Nagafen wrote: People run and turn in a quest in the middle of pvp and get a mini-ding when they are about to die. People run from pvp, regenerate out of combat, then run back. This still happens when multiple ungrouped Lol...yea it happens sometimes, I guess they could put something in there to not allow quest turn ins while in pvp combat. But as far as regenerating then running back...I don't see anything wrong with that. Onoz@Nagafen wrote: People die in pvp, then run back while their friends are still fighting. That is being fixed in next update. Onoz@Nagafen wrote: As a general rule (at least at the lower tiers) Q players are horribly outnumbered. hahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahhaha hahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahah... dude...seriously? Onoz@Nagafen wrote: People run and turn in a quest in the middle of pvp and get a mini-ding when they are about to die. People run from pvp, regenerate out of combat, then run back. This still happens when multiple ungrouped I agree with the person that there is nothing with that as far as turning in quests in the middle of pvp combat. Back on sullon zek i had to survive and i wanted to know how and i look at this like nagafen. So i researched and read and i apply this.... which is if iam fighting a person(s) i will unlock my xp and kill a mob and i read this on forums from eq1 back a long time ago. Its called survival! And on nagafen you gotta do whatever you gotta do as long as its not a illegal violation. I can understand yer frusteration though i mean i get attacked all the time and when people find out iam not easy and run off it kinda bothers me. As far as the exploits and hacks.... the things which are illegal.. totally wrong. should be banned for life like they did in eq1. __________________

02-19-2009, 10:16 PM	#1
Renaissoxx Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 19	Hacks: Frequently have people suddenly become "out of sight" or "too far away" when they are right in front of you running into a wall about to die. IE they unplugged their cord or used a packet manipulator program. Sometimes they just warp across the map really quickly. Exploits: People group with much higher levels in the middle of a pvp fight and then the higher level player ganks the opposing player or group. Some people have claimed this works by accepting the invite right before they engage at which point it is too late to back down, but I have seen it happen AFTER the other player was already fighting in pvp. (maybe it doesn't update their icon right away when they join. People run and turn in a quest in the middle of pvp and get a mini-ding when they are about to die. People run from pvp, regenerate out of combat, then run back. This still happens when multiple ungrouped players attack someone. Lame stuff: People die in pvp, then run back while their friends are still fighting. As a Qeynos Player, groups and raids of Freeport players wander ALL zones both Q and F. As a general rule (at least at the lower tiers) Q players are horribly outnumbered.

02-20-2009, 05:28 AM	#2
Twinbladed Server: Nagafen Guild: Illuminati Rank: Raider Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 468	Yeah because there using third party programs like eq2climb and xunleashed, some players even have radars for whole entire zones. SOE cant fix it obviously for some reason, just like cheatengine hack people still use it. Lag and unpluggin things of that nature are not on soe mind. Yes I did name all these programs because all you got to do is go to youtube an type the eq2 an look (amazing what people will do to win.)

02-23-2009, 05:11 PM	#8
Valenx Server: Nagafen Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 45	Sounds to me like the OP is a noob and blames hacks and exploits for him sucking at PVP. Seriously go cry somewhere else. Learn to deal with the people who hack or avoid them all together. If you lose to someone because of hacks or whatever than so be it, who cares. Lets also not forget that sometime lag or the occasional LD is inevitable and to automaticaly assume its a hack or exploit is just plain dumb.

02-23-2009, 05:42 PM	#9
Wed General Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 413	I'd say about one in every thousand or so fights I have end in some sort of hack. Exploits, meh, hard to define what this encompasses. Doing some anyone is capable of, but not necessarily intended? Lame stuff? Again, lame isn't easy to define in an open PvP game. I don't define a full group rolling me as lame, some might. Either way, EQ2 PvP is certainly not dominated by these things. I think the OP probably just needs to man up to life on a PvP server.

02-24-2009, 07:56 PM	#10
Twinbladed Server: Nagafen Guild: Illuminati Rank: Raider Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 468	Valenx@Nagafen wrote: Sounds to me like the OP is a noob and blames hacks and exploits for him sucking at PVP. Seriously go cry somewhere else. Learn to deal with the people who hack or avoid them all together. If you lose to someone because of hacks or whatever than so be it, who cares. Lets also not forget that sometime lag or the occasional LD is inevitable and to automaticaly assume its a hack or exploit is just plain dumb. Yes I can agree with some of that, but when someone comes up to u an kill u in less than two seconds (Certain Berserker and Assassin) with over 13 Ca's an it shows up on your act but not your in game combat log there is a problem.