Could we get an official answer on LU51? Please?

Zarador · 02-03-2009, 12:05 AM

Are only the fighter changes being delayed? (Please, don't turn this into another fighter thread, we have several of them)

There was a significant change in the crafting aspects being introduced with LU51. So far there has been no official word as to the status of those changes.

I understand the reasoning behind delaying the changes to fighters, however my (selfish?) interest is in what is happing with the "Heirloom" tag being applied to the crafting recipes, epic items and Mara rewards.

Matia · 02-03-2009, 01:37 PM

I know Kander mentioned in one post that they were looking at perhaps being able to hotfix some things.

GrunEQ · 02-03-2009, 02:26 PM

The word is possibly on the 5th.

Froech · 02-03-2009, 04:09 PM

Yes, it's just the fighter changes that are being postponed. There's still some other stuff that is coming soon, as mentioned in my letter, such as Erollisi Day, and the upcoming release of the next expansion for Legends of Norrath, Against the Void.

Anordil · 02-03-2009, 04:13 PM

Thank you! SMILEY

Zarador · 02-03-2009, 04:19 PM

Thank you kindly for your response SMILEY

Thunndar316 · 02-03-2009, 04:29 PM

YES another LoN download I don't want

MCS-Apophis · 02-03-2009, 05:00 PM

Maybe if the developers would quit wasting their time on this stupid LoN stuff, they could focus their time on finishing the figher revamp....

Instead it will be put off for a few MONTHS, but thank god we got new LoN crap.

Anordil · 02-03-2009, 05:02 PM

You do realize that LoN has a separate dev team, right?

hellfire · 02-03-2009, 05:06 PM

Thank you cant wait for the LoN stuff

Isard · 02-03-2009, 05:19 PM

MCS-Apophis wrote:

Maybe if the developers would quit wasting their time on this stupid LoN stuff, they could focus their time on finishing the figher revamp....
Instead it will be put off for a few MONTHS, but thank god we got new LoN crap.

LoN is worked on by the SOE Denver team (at least it was last I knew). That team works on their other trading card games as well and I think developed Pirates of the Burning Sea. There is NO ONE at SOE San Diego that works on LoN and certainly not a portion of the EQ2 team. No resources are "wasted" on LoN at the expense of EQ2.

This has been said so many times already. Could we PLEASE stop throwing those ignorant comments out? Really. If you want to complain that things are not done, don't blame LoN.

Yimway · 02-03-2009, 05:23 PM

Malificant@Unrest wrote:

LoN is worked on by the SOE Denver team (at least it was last I knew). That team works on their other trading card games as well and I think developed Pirates of the Burning Sea. There is NO ONE at SOE San Diego that works on LoN and certainly not a portion of the EQ2 team. No resources are "wasted" on LoN at the expense of EQ2.
This has been said so many times already. Could we PLEASE stop throwing those ignorant comments out? Really. If you want to complain that things are not done, don't blame LoN.

You think they have an eq2 artwork person in Denver?

You think the items and the xml definitions to make those items work are created in Denver?

You don't think meetings and discussions about said items happen outside Denver?

Yes, the card game itself is developed in Denver, I'm not sold that pieces of that development, items, procs, artwork, etc are not created in SD and / or assisted, approved thru, or the process in general leaves the SD team completely unencombered of LoN.

Thundy · 02-03-2009, 05:25 PM

Froech wrote:

Yes, it's just the fighter changes that are being postponed. There's still some other stuff that is coming soon, as mentioned in my letter, such as Erollisi Day, and the upcoming release of the next expansion for Legends of Norrath, Against the Void.

This really didn't answer much of anything. 51 also contained bug fixes (OLH), /follow changes, etc. What is the ETA on these. thanks

Kiara · 02-03-2009, 05:28 PM

The plan is to hotfix in the other content (things not directly related to the Fighter Revamp) this week.

The next GU will become 51 SMILEY

When everything is nailed down, we'll let you know.

Anordil · 02-03-2009, 05:29 PM

Thank you, Kiara.

Wingrider01 · 02-03-2009, 07:11 PM

Atan@Unrest wrote:

Malificant@Unrest wrote:
LoN is worked on by the SOE Denver team (at least it was last I knew). That team works on their other trading card games as well and I think developed Pirates of the Burning Sea. There is NO ONE at SOE San Diego that works on LoN and certainly not a portion of the EQ2 team. No resources are "wasted" on LoN at the expense of EQ2.
This has been said so many times already. Could we PLEASE stop throwing those ignorant comments out? Really. If you want to complain that things are not done, don't blame LoN.
You think they have an eq2 artwork person in Denver?
You think the items and the xml definitions to make those items work are created in Denver?
You don't think meetings and discussions about said items happen outside Denver?
Yes, the card game itself is developed in Denver, I'm not sold that pieces of that development, items, procs, artwork, etc are not created in SD and / or assisted, approved thru, or the process in general leaves the SD team completely unencombered of LoN.

If I recall correctly it was a company that SOE purchased, so the answer to 99 percent of those questions is probably yes.

Zarador · 02-03-2009, 07:26 PM

Wingrider01 wrote:

Atan@Unrest wrote:
Malificant@Unrest wrote:
LoN is worked on by the SOE Denver team (at least it was last I knew). That team works on their other trading card games as well and I think developed Pirates of the Burning Sea. There is NO ONE at SOE San Diego that works on LoN and certainly not a portion of the EQ2 team. No resources are "wasted" on LoN at the expense of EQ2.
This has been said so many times already. Could we PLEASE stop throwing those ignorant comments out? Really. If you want to complain that things are not done, don't blame LoN.
You think they have an eq2 artwork person in Denver?
You think the items and the xml definitions to make those items work are created in Denver?
You don't think meetings and discussions about said items happen outside Denver?
Yes, the card game itself is developed in Denver, I'm not sold that pieces of that development, items, procs, artwork, etc are not created in SD and / or assisted, approved thru, or the process in general leaves the SD team completely unencombered of LoN.
If I recall correctly it was a company that SOE purchased, so the answer to 99 percent of those questions is probably yes.

Not to mention the "Circle of Cash"

Everquest II (in this case) is the core game for LoN meaning that the majority of LoN players are interested in it because they play Everquest II.
LoN is owned by SoE and is essentially an "Add On" revenue booster to the MMoRPG's that it's attached too. This means it provides additional revenue to an already existing product.
A Boost in Everquest II interest (i.e. improvements that bring in and retain more players) boosts LoN revenue.
As a buisness their going to look at the combined revenues of LoN, SC and EQ2 as a "package" and not look to take away from the primary product to support a product that won't stand alone.

Ujina · 02-04-2009, 06:28 AM

Isn't LoN supposed to be a separate entity from EQ and EQ2 ?

So the next GU is Erollisi Day (7 days event) and a bunch of hotfix ? I think it's the less exiting GU i have seen for a long time.

I hope GU 52 won't have the additional content delayed too (new zones, new raids, new quests in one month and still nothing on test...).

Wingrider01 · 02-04-2009, 09:14 AM

Zarador wrote:

Wingrider01 wrote:
Atan@Unrest wrote:
Malificant@Unrest wrote:
LoN is worked on by the SOE Denver team (at least it was last I knew). That team works on their other trading card games as well and I think developed Pirates of the Burning Sea. There is NO ONE at SOE San Diego that works on LoN and certainly not a portion of the EQ2 team. No resources are "wasted" on LoN at the expense of EQ2.
This has been said so many times already. Could we PLEASE stop throwing those ignorant comments out? Really. If you want to complain that things are not done, don't blame LoN.
You think they have an eq2 artwork person in Denver?
You think the items and the xml definitions to make those items work are created in Denver?
You don't think meetings and discussions about said items happen outside Denver?
Yes, the card game itself is developed in Denver, I'm not sold that pieces of that development, items, procs, artwork, etc are not created in SD and / or assisted, approved thru, or the process in general leaves the SD team completely unencombered of LoN.
If I recall correctly it was a company that SOE purchased, so the answer to 99 percent of those questions is probably yes.
Not to mention the "Circle of Cash"
Everquest II (in this case) is the core game for LoN meaning that the majority of LoN players are interested in it because they play Everquest II.
LoN is owned by SoE and is essentially an "Add On" revenue booster to the MMoRPG's that it's attached too. This means it provides additional revenue to an already existing product.
A Boost in Everquest II interest (i.e. improvements that bring in and retain more players) boosts LoN revenue.
As a buisness their going to look at the combined revenues of LoN, SC and EQ2 as a "package" and not look to take away from the primary product to support a product that won't stand alone.

LON bothers me none in the least, don;t care about it, don;t play it, I check it right now for the free booster packs. As far as it being integrated into the eq2, game client and having to patch, does not bother me in the least. This is a game to me and it will stay a game, if it starts getting me upset and frustrated, I will walk away and find something else. Everything you post is is basic business 101 - go into business to make money for yourself, and your stockholders

Zarador · 02-04-2009, 07:05 PM

Wingrider01 wrote:

Zarador wrote:
Wingrider01 wrote:
Atan@Unrest wrote:
Malificant@Unrest wrote:
LoN is worked on by the SOE Denver team (at least it was last I knew). That team works on their other trading card games as well and I think developed Pirates of the Burning Sea. There is NO ONE at SOE San Diego that works on LoN and certainly not a portion of the EQ2 team. No resources are "wasted" on LoN at the expense of EQ2.
This has been said so many times already. Could we PLEASE stop throwing those ignorant comments out? Really. If you want to complain that things are not done, don't blame LoN.
You think they have an eq2 artwork person in Denver?
You think the items and the xml definitions to make those items work are created in Denver?
You don't think meetings and discussions about said items happen outside Denver?
Yes, the card game itself is developed in Denver, I'm not sold that pieces of that development, items, procs, artwork, etc are not created in SD and / or assisted, approved thru, or the process in general leaves the SD team completely unencombered of LoN.
If I recall correctly it was a company that SOE purchased, so the answer to 99 percent of those questions is probably yes.
Not to mention the "Circle of Cash"
Everquest II (in this case) is the core game for LoN meaning that the majority of LoN players are interested in it because they play Everquest II.
LoN is owned by SoE and is essentially an "Add On" revenue booster to the MMoRPG's that it's attached too. This means it provides additional revenue to an already existing product.
A Boost in Everquest II interest (i.e. improvements that bring in and retain more players) boosts LoN revenue.
As a buisness their going to look at the combined revenues of LoN, SC and EQ2 as a "package" and not look to take away from the primary product to support a product that won't stand alone.
LON bothers me none in the least, don;t care about it, don;t play it, I check it right now for the free booster packs. As far as it being integrated into the eq2, game client and having to patch, does not bother me in the least. This is a game to me and it will stay a game, if it starts getting me upset and frustrated, I will walk away and find something else. Everything you post is is basic business 101 - go into business to make money for yourself, and your stockholders

I agree with you completely. I just think that more players need to get a grasp on the difference between a "Game" and a "Business". When we log in to play, it's a "Game"; SoE however runds a "Business". Now if we want that "Game" that we enjoy to stick around, then we have to understand that they will make their decesions based on a "Business".

I see so many posts explaining "What would it cost them..." or "How dare they profit on...". Their neither greedy or really nice people that really really want us all to be happy no matter what it costs them. They developed the game to make a profit like any other company out there.

The more they tie additional services into the core games, the more interest they have in making those games more appealing to make more profit. With that in mind, I may never purchase a LoN Deck or a SC item, but I will benefit in the long run by both services anyway.

Nerphon · 02-04-2009, 07:27 PM

Zarador wrote:

Wingrider01 wrote:
Zarador wrote:
Wingrider01 wrote:
Atan@Unrest wrote:
Malificant@Unrest wrote:
LoN is worked on by the SOE Denver team (at least it was last I knew). That team works on their other trading card games as well and I think developed Pirates of the Burning Sea. There is NO ONE at SOE San Diego that works on LoN and certainly not a portion of the EQ2 team. No resources are "wasted" on LoN at the expense of EQ2.
This has been said so many times already. Could we PLEASE stop throwing those ignorant comments out? Really. If you want to complain that things are not done, don't blame LoN.
You think they have an eq2 artwork person in Denver?
You think the items and the xml definitions to make those items work are created in Denver?
You don't think meetings and discussions about said items happen outside Denver?
Yes, the card game itself is developed in Denver, I'm not sold that pieces of that development, items, procs, artwork, etc are not created in SD and / or assisted, approved thru, or the process in general leaves the SD team completely unencombered of LoN.
If I recall correctly it was a company that SOE purchased, so the answer to 99 percent of those questions is probably yes.
Not to mention the "Circle of Cash"
Everquest II (in this case) is the core game for LoN meaning that the majority of LoN players are interested in it because they play Everquest II.
LoN is owned by SoE and is essentially an "Add On" revenue booster to the MMoRPG's that it's attached too. This means it provides additional revenue to an already existing product.
A Boost in Everquest II interest (i.e. improvements that bring in and retain more players) boosts LoN revenue.
As a buisness their going to look at the combined revenues of LoN, SC and EQ2 as a "package" and not look to take away from the primary product to support a product that won't stand alone.
LON bothers me none in the least, don;t care about it, don;t play it, I check it right now for the free booster packs. As far as it being integrated into the eq2, game client and having to patch, does not bother me in the least. This is a game to me and it will stay a game, if it starts getting me upset and frustrated, I will walk away and find something else. Everything you post is is basic business 101 - go into business to make money for yourself, and your stockholders
I agree with you completely. I just think that more players need to get a grasp on the difference between a "Game" and a "Business". When we log in to play, it's a "Game"; SoE however runds a "Business". Now if we want that "Game" that we enjoy to stick around, then we have to understand that they will make their decesions based on a "Business".
I see so many posts explaining "What would it cost them..." or "How dare they profit on...". Their neither greedy or really nice people that really really want us all to be happy no matter what it costs them. They developed the game to make a profit like any other company out there.
The more they tie additional services into the core games, the more interest they have in making those games more appealing to make more profit. With that in mind, I may never purchase a LoN Deck or a SC item, but I will benefit in the long run by both services anyway.

Amen to that! I mean a lot of people I think need to just take a second and think "does it really affect me?" no it doesnt. If LoN was a huge money pit I could understand but as it is I highly doubt LoN is losing them money and same goes for SC. I play a game and they run a business...if they do things to the game I don't like well that sucks but im not gonna lose sleep over it I play a Conjuror which most people seem to think aren't even worth playing and I enjoy it and have a blast so oh well! I can deal i'm sure everyone else can too.

02-03-2009, 02:26 PM	#3
GrunEQ Tester Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,307	The word is possibly on the 5th. __________________ GrunEQ2 "O to be a voyager and a yoyeur no longer."

02-03-2009, 04:09 PM	#4
Froech Developer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 48	Yes, it's just the fighter changes that are being postponed. There's still some other stuff that is coming soon, as mentioned in my letter, such as Erollisi Day, and the upcoming release of the next expansion for Legends of Norrath, Against the Void. __________________ Froech Bruce A. Ferguson Senior Producer, EverQuest II

02-03-2009, 04:29 PM	#7
Thunndar316 Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,681	YES another LoN download I don't want __________________ Sleight of Hand is USELESS

02-03-2009, 05:06 PM	#10
hellfire Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: NY Posts: 1,842	Thank you cant wait for the LoN stuff __________________ Summoner pets are 1/3 the dps of a summoner and yet our stats and modifiers do not affect them.Since a pet is 1/3 a summoners dps,a summoner receives 2/3 benefit from gear when compared to any other class. SHARED STATS AND MODIFIERS ARE A MUST! FIX SUMMONERS IN 08! FIX SUMMONERS IN 09! FIX SUMMONERS IN 10! 2011 and Finally we are Fixed! /Rides off into the sunset

02-03-2009, 05:19 PM	#11
Isard Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: South Qeynos Posts: 294	MCS-Apophis wrote: Maybe if the developers would quit wasting their time on this stupid LoN stuff, they could focus their time on finishing the figher revamp.... Instead it will be put off for a few MONTHS, but thank god we got new LoN crap. LoN is worked on by the SOE Denver team (at least it was last I knew). That team works on their other trading card games as well and I think developed Pirates of the Burning Sea. There is NO ONE at SOE San Diego that works on LoN and certainly not a portion of the EQ2 team. No resources are "wasted" on LoN at the expense of EQ2. This has been said so many times already. Could we PLEASE stop throwing those ignorant comments out? Really. If you want to complain that things are not done, don't blame LoN. __________________ Malificant 90 Dirge - 90 Carpenter - Leader of Arion Unrest Server Hamsandwich 90 Mystic - 64 Weaponsmith Tenal 82 Warden - 74 Tailor

02-03-2009, 12:05 AM	#1
Zarador Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,194	Are only the fighter changes being delayed? (Please, don't turn this into another fighter thread, we have several of them) There was a significant change in the crafting aspects being introduced with LU51. So far there has been no official word as to the status of those changes. I understand the reasoning behind delaying the changes to fighters, however my (selfish?) interest is in what is happing with the "Heirloom" tag being applied to the crafting recipes, epic items and Mara rewards.

02-03-2009, 01:37 PM	#2
Matia Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 232	I know Kander mentioned in one post that they were looking at perhaps being able to hotfix some things.

02-03-2009, 04:13 PM	#5
Anordil Server: Lucan DLere Guild: The Order of the Silver Tree Rank: Chancellor Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 498	Thank you!

02-03-2009, 04:19 PM	#6
Zarador Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,194	Thank you kindly for your response

02-03-2009, 05:00 PM	#8
MCS-Apophis Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 168	Maybe if the developers would quit wasting their time on this stupid LoN stuff, they could focus their time on finishing the figher revamp.... Instead it will be put off for a few MONTHS, but thank god we got new LoN crap.

02-03-2009, 05:02 PM	#9
Anordil Server: Lucan DLere Guild: The Order of the Silver Tree Rank: Chancellor Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 498	You do realize that LoN has a separate dev team, right?

02-03-2009, 05:23 PM	#12
Yimway Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 9,707	Malificant@Unrest wrote: LoN is worked on by the SOE Denver team (at least it was last I knew). That team works on their other trading card games as well and I think developed Pirates of the Burning Sea. There is NO ONE at SOE San Diego that works on LoN and certainly not a portion of the EQ2 team. No resources are "wasted" on LoN at the expense of EQ2. This has been said so many times already. Could we PLEASE stop throwing those ignorant comments out? Really. If you want to complain that things are not done, don't blame LoN. You think they have an eq2 artwork person in Denver? You think the items and the xml definitions to make those items work are created in Denver? You don't think meetings and discussions about said items happen outside Denver? Yes, the card game itself is developed in Denver, I'm not sold that pieces of that development, items, procs, artwork, etc are not created in SD and / or assisted, approved thru, or the process in general leaves the SD team completely unencombered of LoN. __________________

02-03-2009, 05:25 PM	#13
Thundy Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 123	Froech wrote: Yes, it's just the fighter changes that are being postponed. There's still some other stuff that is coming soon, as mentioned in my letter, such as Erollisi Day, and the upcoming release of the next expansion for Legends of Norrath, Against the Void. This really didn't answer much of anything. 51 also contained bug fixes (OLH), /follow changes, etc. What is the ETA on these. thanks __________________ __________________ Tirinya - 80 Swashbuckler - Nektulos Guild Leader, [Clan Lupar]

02-03-2009, 05:28 PM	#14
Kiara Community Relations Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 4,359	The plan is to hotfix in the other content (things not directly related to the Fighter Revamp) this week. The next GU will become 51 When everything is nailed down, we'll let you know.

02-03-2009, 05:29 PM	#15
Anordil Server: Lucan DLere Guild: The Order of the Silver Tree Rank: Chancellor Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 498	Thank you, Kiara.

02-03-2009, 07:11 PM	#16
Wingrider01 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,999	Atan@Unrest wrote: Malificant@Unrest wrote: LoN is worked on by the SOE Denver team (at least it was last I knew). That team works on their other trading card games as well and I think developed Pirates of the Burning Sea. There is NO ONE at SOE San Diego that works on LoN and certainly not a portion of the EQ2 team. No resources are "wasted" on LoN at the expense of EQ2. This has been said so many times already. Could we PLEASE stop throwing those ignorant comments out? Really. If you want to complain that things are not done, don't blame LoN. You think they have an eq2 artwork person in Denver? You think the items and the xml definitions to make those items work are created in Denver? You don't think meetings and discussions about said items happen outside Denver? Yes, the card game itself is developed in Denver, I'm not sold that pieces of that development, items, procs, artwork, etc are not created in SD and / or assisted, approved thru, or the process in general leaves the SD team completely unencombered of LoN. If I recall correctly it was a company that SOE purchased, so the answer to 99 percent of those questions is probably yes. __________________ Fixing computer issues, one SOC7 at a time. Yes Jim, the user has experienced the dreaded PICNIC error

02-03-2009, 07:26 PM	#17
Zarador Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,194	Wingrider01 wrote: Atan@Unrest wrote: Malificant@Unrest wrote: LoN is worked on by the SOE Denver team (at least it was last I knew). That team works on their other trading card games as well and I think developed Pirates of the Burning Sea. There is NO ONE at SOE San Diego that works on LoN and certainly not a portion of the EQ2 team. No resources are "wasted" on LoN at the expense of EQ2. This has been said so many times already. Could we PLEASE stop throwing those ignorant comments out? Really. If you want to complain that things are not done, don't blame LoN. You think they have an eq2 artwork person in Denver? You think the items and the xml definitions to make those items work are created in Denver? You don't think meetings and discussions about said items happen outside Denver? Yes, the card game itself is developed in Denver, I'm not sold that pieces of that development, items, procs, artwork, etc are not created in SD and / or assisted, approved thru, or the process in general leaves the SD team completely unencombered of LoN. If I recall correctly it was a company that SOE purchased, so the answer to 99 percent of those questions is probably yes. Not to mention the "Circle of Cash" Everquest II (in this case) is the core game for LoN meaning that the majority of LoN players are interested in it because they play Everquest II. LoN is owned by SoE and is essentially an "Add On" revenue booster to the MMoRPG's that it's attached too. This means it provides additional revenue to an already existing product. A Boost in Everquest II interest (i.e. improvements that bring in and retain more players) boosts LoN revenue. As a buisness their going to look at the combined revenues of LoN, SC and EQ2 as a "package" and not look to take away from the primary product to support a product that won't stand alone.

02-04-2009, 06:28 AM	#18
Ujina Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 59	Isn't LoN supposed to be a separate entity from EQ and EQ2 ? So the next GU is Erollisi Day (7 days event) and a bunch of hotfix ? I think it's the less exiting GU i have seen for a long time. I hope GU 52 won't have the additional content delayed too (new zones, new raids, new quests in one month and still nothing on test...). __________________ Pikifou, Swashbuckler 90 Carpenter 90 tinkerer 400 of the Clan Nan Dreolan on Permafrost

02-04-2009, 09:14 AM	#19
Wingrider01 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,999	Zarador wrote: Wingrider01 wrote: Atan@Unrest wrote: Malificant@Unrest wrote: LoN is worked on by the SOE Denver team (at least it was last I knew). That team works on their other trading card games as well and I think developed Pirates of the Burning Sea. There is NO ONE at SOE San Diego that works on LoN and certainly not a portion of the EQ2 team. No resources are "wasted" on LoN at the expense of EQ2. This has been said so many times already. Could we PLEASE stop throwing those ignorant comments out? Really. If you want to complain that things are not done, don't blame LoN. You think they have an eq2 artwork person in Denver? You think the items and the xml definitions to make those items work are created in Denver? You don't think meetings and discussions about said items happen outside Denver? Yes, the card game itself is developed in Denver, I'm not sold that pieces of that development, items, procs, artwork, etc are not created in SD and / or assisted, approved thru, or the process in general leaves the SD team completely unencombered of LoN. If I recall correctly it was a company that SOE purchased, so the answer to 99 percent of those questions is probably yes. Not to mention the "Circle of Cash" Everquest II (in this case) is the core game for LoN meaning that the majority of LoN players are interested in it because they play Everquest II. LoN is owned by SoE and is essentially an "Add On" revenue booster to the MMoRPG's that it's attached too. This means it provides additional revenue to an already existing product. A Boost in Everquest II interest (i.e. improvements that bring in and retain more players) boosts LoN revenue. As a buisness their going to look at the combined revenues of LoN, SC and EQ2 as a "package" and not look to take away from the primary product to support a product that won't stand alone. LON bothers me none in the least, don;t care about it, don;t play it, I check it right now for the free booster packs. As far as it being integrated into the eq2, game client and having to patch, does not bother me in the least. This is a game to me and it will stay a game, if it starts getting me upset and frustrated, I will walk away and find something else. Everything you post is is basic business 101 - go into business to make money for yourself, and your stockholders __________________ Fixing computer issues, one SOC7 at a time. Yes Jim, the user has experienced the dreaded PICNIC error

02-04-2009, 07:05 PM	#20
Zarador Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,194	Wingrider01 wrote: Zarador wrote: Wingrider01 wrote: Atan@Unrest wrote: Malificant@Unrest wrote: LoN is worked on by the SOE Denver team (at least it was last I knew). That team works on their other trading card games as well and I think developed Pirates of the Burning Sea. There is NO ONE at SOE San Diego that works on LoN and certainly not a portion of the EQ2 team. No resources are "wasted" on LoN at the expense of EQ2. This has been said so many times already. Could we PLEASE stop throwing those ignorant comments out? Really. If you want to complain that things are not done, don't blame LoN. You think they have an eq2 artwork person in Denver? You think the items and the xml definitions to make those items work are created in Denver? You don't think meetings and discussions about said items happen outside Denver? Yes, the card game itself is developed in Denver, I'm not sold that pieces of that development, items, procs, artwork, etc are not created in SD and / or assisted, approved thru, or the process in general leaves the SD team completely unencombered of LoN. If I recall correctly it was a company that SOE purchased, so the answer to 99 percent of those questions is probably yes. Not to mention the "Circle of Cash" Everquest II (in this case) is the core game for LoN meaning that the majority of LoN players are interested in it because they play Everquest II. LoN is owned by SoE and is essentially an "Add On" revenue booster to the MMoRPG's that it's attached too. This means it provides additional revenue to an already existing product. A Boost in Everquest II interest (i.e. improvements that bring in and retain more players) boosts LoN revenue. As a buisness their going to look at the combined revenues of LoN, SC and EQ2 as a "package" and not look to take away from the primary product to support a product that won't stand alone. LON bothers me none in the least, don;t care about it, don;t play it, I check it right now for the free booster packs. As far as it being integrated into the eq2, game client and having to patch, does not bother me in the least. This is a game to me and it will stay a game, if it starts getting me upset and frustrated, I will walk away and find something else. Everything you post is is basic business 101 - go into business to make money for yourself, and your stockholders I agree with you completely. I just think that more players need to get a grasp on the difference between a "Game" and a "Business". When we log in to play, it's a "Game"; SoE however runds a "Business". Now if we want that "Game" that we enjoy to stick around, then we have to understand that they will make their decesions based on a "Business". I see so many posts explaining "What would it cost them..." or "How dare they profit on...". Their neither greedy or really nice people that really really want us all to be happy no matter what it costs them. They developed the game to make a profit like any other company out there. The more they tie additional services into the core games, the more interest they have in making those games more appealing to make more profit. With that in mind, I may never purchase a LoN Deck or a SC item, but I will benefit in the long run by both services anyway.

02-04-2009, 07:27 PM	#21
Nerphon Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 51	Zarador wrote: Wingrider01 wrote: Zarador wrote: Wingrider01 wrote: Atan@Unrest wrote: Malificant@Unrest wrote: LoN is worked on by the SOE Denver team (at least it was last I knew). That team works on their other trading card games as well and I think developed Pirates of the Burning Sea. There is NO ONE at SOE San Diego that works on LoN and certainly not a portion of the EQ2 team. No resources are "wasted" on LoN at the expense of EQ2. This has been said so many times already. Could we PLEASE stop throwing those ignorant comments out? Really. If you want to complain that things are not done, don't blame LoN. You think they have an eq2 artwork person in Denver? You think the items and the xml definitions to make those items work are created in Denver? You don't think meetings and discussions about said items happen outside Denver? Yes, the card game itself is developed in Denver, I'm not sold that pieces of that development, items, procs, artwork, etc are not created in SD and / or assisted, approved thru, or the process in general leaves the SD team completely unencombered of LoN. If I recall correctly it was a company that SOE purchased, so the answer to 99 percent of those questions is probably yes. Not to mention the "Circle of Cash" Everquest II (in this case) is the core game for LoN meaning that the majority of LoN players are interested in it because they play Everquest II. LoN is owned by SoE and is essentially an "Add On" revenue booster to the MMoRPG's that it's attached too. This means it provides additional revenue to an already existing product. A Boost in Everquest II interest (i.e. improvements that bring in and retain more players) boosts LoN revenue. As a buisness their going to look at the combined revenues of LoN, SC and EQ2 as a "package" and not look to take away from the primary product to support a product that won't stand alone. LON bothers me none in the least, don;t care about it, don;t play it, I check it right now for the free booster packs. As far as it being integrated into the eq2, game client and having to patch, does not bother me in the least. This is a game to me and it will stay a game, if it starts getting me upset and frustrated, I will walk away and find something else. Everything you post is is basic business 101 - go into business to make money for yourself, and your stockholders I agree with you completely. I just think that more players need to get a grasp on the difference between a "Game" and a "Business". When we log in to play, it's a "Game"; SoE however runds a "Business". Now if we want that "Game" that we enjoy to stick around, then we have to understand that they will make their decesions based on a "Business". I see so many posts explaining "What would it cost them..." or "How dare they profit on...". Their neither greedy or really nice people that really really want us all to be happy no matter what it costs them. They developed the game to make a profit like any other company out there. The more they tie additional services into the core games, the more interest they have in making those games more appealing to make more profit. With that in mind, I may never purchase a LoN Deck or a SC item, but I will benefit in the long run by both services anyway. Amen to that! I mean a lot of people I think need to just take a second and think "does it really affect me?" no it doesnt. If LoN was a huge money pit I could understand but as it is I highly doubt LoN is losing them money and same goes for SC. I play a game and they run a business...if they do things to the game I don't like well that sucks but im not gonna lose sleep over it I play a Conjuror which most people seem to think aren't even worth playing and I enjoy it and have a blast so oh well! I can deal i'm sure everyone else can too.