Healadin? Why not?

Arkinon · 12-22-2008, 05:02 PM

So after playing the offtank in raids for a long time I took a break and now find that im having a difficult time getting in on raids because the offtank roll has been filled by another pally in our guild. Not a big issue since I had left the game and he is good tank. The question came up about a utility role. Now I know im going to get flamed for this but hear me out. How about a Healadin? Pallys get 2 single target heals 1 group heal and a self heal, LoH, an intervention and ward. All of wich allow the AA lines to provide benifits. So I have come to the belief that between our skills the AA line and items that we could actually become decent group healers. (mind you im not saying the best or better then Class A or B) This is something I would like your thought on. Why or why not. And please dont just say because we are a tank class. I really want to put some thought and effort into this and eventually test it out. Anyways Thoughts?

Full_Metal_Mage · 12-22-2008, 08:07 PM

My thought is that there are 6 real healer classes in the game.

Niou · 12-23-2008, 07:59 PM

In the proper spec a Paladin can put out alot of heals now. However, seeing as we do not have a group cure, and the single target cure we do currently have not only refreshes semi slow, but does not cure trauma. Add that in with the fact that we have no Cure Curse, and you have enough problems to answer your question.

The problem however, does not stem simply from cures. Although it may seem as though a Paladin can heal a ton, in comparison to a real healer, you'd quickly find yourself lacking even if you were say...Strength specced and heal/cure lines.

Thats not to say that a Paladin's heals are not useful though. If you have 2 tanks and 1 healer for a tough zone, a Paladin can easily adapt to dish out high dps and back up heal effectively. Throw in avoidance and armament for the person tanking the zone, and you provide more than enough.

This is by far my favorite expansion and I enjoy the changes to the class thus far. Many times now I've done exactly that, dishing out around 5-6k dps and providing needed heals/avoidance/mitigation to another tank.

Any Paladin that thinks he's a tank and only a tank is limiting the class needlessly. We're not Guardians and the heals are there for a reason, though they should not be depended upon as if you were a full healer.

Arkinon · 12-24-2008, 02:33 PM

All good points.

We do have an AA cure that has seemed to work out quite well. I think I will need to test this out further before I make my final decision.

NANEEJE · 12-24-2008, 03:51 PM

So... I found this item in the Chelsith Mobs interesting, its called the EDICT OF THE WHISPERED WIND, or just type edict of in the broker, it has a prevent aoe, and a decrease hate gain by 50%.. Wow, I don't know but when I am in DPS role, i hardly pull aggro. So if I am in a group and I am pulling aggro as a dps, i throw that on, and problem solved. I can even amend the wizard not tanking and mitigate the aggro. To answer your question, I am finding a problem with the cure, I can't seem to figure out what the hell it cures, it dispels magic, but what mob is casting magic right now? Hardly works for me, and until i figure out which cures it works for, I'm dumping it. You play a Paladin, and therefore you have a choice how you play. I don't find the healing line beneficial anywhere but Venril Sathir myself. You can gain sooo much to your dps , so personally i have a tank/dps spec , and a venril sathir spec, when we beat him, I will go to a permanent dps, or tank spec. If you are in healing line, you are probably just having fun with it as I did, kind of a break. But do this... go to coa with your buddies. If you can solo heal COA and VOES on your own.. then i would say .. healadin.. why not! Good luck and have fun SMILEY

Belzeebub2 · 01-28-2009, 02:24 PM

Aye, on the rare occasion i join a raid, i don't even try to be main tank, as i work on the basis that there is always some-one better than you. Therefore i go toward the utility role, and dish out the heals and wards to the MT, and deal damage when people arn't dieing. This also works in groups however, it incredably rare to see a group invite a pally on the basic they can add i little extra heals, wards or DPS.

Belzeebub

Kordran · 01-28-2009, 03:23 PM

The problem with a "healadin" in EQ2 (edit: as opposed to the Paladin in WoW, which I gather is what you were thinking of) is that our heals are incredibly inefficient compared to a primary healing class, even with the Healing line and wearing gear primarily designed for healers. You're left to spamming your direct heal, group heal and slow-casting, low-value single-target ward, watching your power drop like a stone and still are unable to deal with any of the major spike damage that the MT can take.

Raid healing for the Paladin is like lipstick on a pig.

Cyrdemac · 01-29-2009, 06:00 AM

Due to the concept of the fighter revamp and the fact that paladin heals have high aggro potential (higher than usual healers), our cure has a aggro component too..we are quite inefficient as healers. Especially since they changes the (de)taunt-effect from the offensive stance.

Its true, that we can heal and even spec it to be better, but I think its nothing compared to real healers.

12-22-2008, 05:02 PM	#1
Arkinon Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 274	So after playing the offtank in raids for a long time I took a break and now find that im having a difficult time getting in on raids because the offtank roll has been filled by another pally in our guild. Not a big issue since I had left the game and he is good tank. The question came up about a utility role. Now I know im going to get flamed for this but hear me out. How about a Healadin? Pallys get 2 single target heals 1 group heal and a self heal, LoH, an intervention and ward. All of wich allow the AA lines to provide benifits. So I have come to the belief that between our skills the AA line and items that we could actually become decent group healers. (mind you im not saying the best or better then Class A or B) This is something I would like your thought on. Why or why not. And please dont just say because we are a tank class. I really want to put some thought and effort into this and eventually test it out. Anyways Thoughts? __________________ ... and the monkey presses the button.

12-23-2008, 07:59 PM	#3
Niou Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 201	In the proper spec a Paladin can put out alot of heals now. However, seeing as we do not have a group cure, and the single target cure we do currently have not only refreshes semi slow, but does not cure trauma. Add that in with the fact that we have no Cure Curse, and you have enough problems to answer your question. The problem however, does not stem simply from cures. Although it may seem as though a Paladin can heal a ton, in comparison to a real healer, you'd quickly find yourself lacking even if you were say...Strength specced and heal/cure lines. Thats not to say that a Paladin's heals are not useful though. If you have 2 tanks and 1 healer for a tough zone, a Paladin can easily adapt to dish out high dps and back up heal effectively. Throw in avoidance and armament for the person tanking the zone, and you provide more than enough. This is by far my favorite expansion and I enjoy the changes to the class thus far. Many times now I've done exactly that, dishing out around 5-6k dps and providing needed heals/avoidance/mitigation to another tank. Any Paladin that thinks he's a tank and only a tank is limiting the class needlessly. We're not Guardians and the heals are there for a reason, though they should not be depended upon as if you were a full healer. __________________

12-24-2008, 02:33 PM	#4
Arkinon Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 274	All good points. We do have an AA cure that has seemed to work out quite well. I think I will need to test this out further before I make my final decision. __________________ ... and the monkey presses the button.

12-24-2008, 03:51 PM	#5
NANEEJE Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Jax Fl, Seattle Wa. Posts: 357	So... I found this item in the Chelsith Mobs interesting, its called the EDICT OF THE WHISPERED WIND, or just type edict of in the broker, it has a prevent aoe, and a decrease hate gain by 50%.. Wow, I don't know but when I am in DPS role, i hardly pull aggro. So if I am in a group and I am pulling aggro as a dps, i throw that on, and problem solved. I can even amend the wizard not tanking and mitigate the aggro. To answer your question, I am finding a problem with the cure, I can't seem to figure out what the hell it cures, it dispels magic, but what mob is casting magic right now? Hardly works for me, and until i figure out which cures it works for, I'm dumping it. You play a Paladin, and therefore you have a choice how you play. I don't find the healing line beneficial anywhere but Venril Sathir myself. You can gain sooo much to your dps , so personally i have a tank/dps spec , and a venril sathir spec, when we beat him, I will go to a permanent dps, or tank spec. If you are in healing line, you are probably just having fun with it as I did, kind of a break. But do this... go to coa with your buddies. If you can solo heal COA and VOES on your own.. then i would say .. healadin.. why not! Good luck and have fun __________________

01-28-2009, 02:24 PM	#6
Belzeebub2 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 57	Aye, on the rare occasion i join a raid, i don't even try to be main tank, as i work on the basis that there is always some-one better than you. Therefore i go toward the utility role, and dish out the heals and wards to the MT, and deal damage when people arn't dieing. This also works in groups however, it incredably rare to see a group invite a pally on the basic they can add i little extra heals, wards or DPS. Belzeebub __________________ You want a cure? What's a cure? Who told you inquisitor can cure ?!?

12-22-2008, 08:07 PM	#2
Full_Metal_Mage Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 322	My thought is that there are 6 real healer classes in the game.

01-28-2009, 03:23 PM	#7
Kordran Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,484	The problem with a "healadin" in EQ2 (edit: as opposed to the Paladin in WoW, which I gather is what you were thinking of) is that our heals are incredibly inefficient compared to a primary healing class, even with the Healing line and wearing gear primarily designed for healers. You're left to spamming your direct heal, group heal and slow-casting, low-value single-target ward, watching your power drop like a stone and still are unable to deal with any of the major spike damage that the MT can take. Raid healing for the Paladin is like lipstick on a pig. __________________

01-29-2009, 06:00 AM	#8
Cyrdemac Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 274	Due to the concept of the fighter revamp and the fact that paladin heals have high aggro potential (higher than usual healers), our cure has a aggro component too..we are quite inefficient as healers. Especially since they changes the (de)taunt-effect from the offensive stance. Its true, that we can heal and even spec it to be better, but I think its nothing compared to real healers. __________________