Empowered Essence not working on all CAs/spells

Apos · 12-11-2008, 02:55 PM

I have the worst luck on blowing shards on stuff that I find out doesn't work for my abilities. Anyways, it probably isn't flagged to apply to AA attacks, which wouldn't be a big deal but all the mystic (and other priest) 'covert your spells to CAs' are AA abilities... so it doesn't apply the base mod to them. I mean I -think- it's not intended, since heck empowered essence increases my procs afterall, but beats me.

Fyreflyte · 12-11-2008, 04:29 PM

That should be affecting all spellss and CAs (AA or not). Could you give me a little more reference as to what armor you're using and which abilities it's not improving?

Apos · 12-11-2008, 06:44 PM

Soul Lancer's Spaulders, the empowered essence VIII for 8% spells/CA's. Doesn't seem to work on all the mystic combat arts from the EoF AA tree- chilling strike, glacial strike, feverish strike, circle of the ancients. Other AA attacks too from Kingdom of Sky AA tree, like Phalanx from the stamina line for shamans.

Fyreflyte · 12-11-2008, 08:09 PM

Interesting. I guess the AA CAs get a special classification, and aren't strictly specified as CAs. Its now fixed and will be hotfixed in shortly =)

Edit: This goes for all versions of Empowered Essence.

Oakum · 12-12-2008, 03:12 PM

Thanks, I appreciate that also. I never really looked at the warden CA's to see if they were having the same problem or not.

I do have a question and without spending a lot of plat I dont have though. Does the AA line to increase elemental damage for druids work with CA's or is it spell only and just for furys and nuking wardens?

I Havent been able to find anything about it in the forums.

Nebbeny · 12-14-2008, 06:48 AM

Without going to the thread and checking myself, i'm pretty confidant that Wclarry said that it does, and i'm pretty confidant that it does as i am currently using it, go check the aa thread he posted on our warden forums Oak and it should be there

Darchon6 · 12-14-2008, 08:47 AM

Fyreflyte wrote:

Interesting. I guess the AA CAs get a special classification, and aren't strictly specified as CAs. Its now fixed and will be hotfixed in shortly =)
Edit: This goes for all versions of Empowered Essence.

While you're at it, could you fix the combat arts which are somehow being classified as spells? Empowered Arts VIII, for example, doesn't affect the rogue offense stance, on guard, or insight. However, spell % mods such as from Empowered Essence, bloodthirsty choker. amd the troubador mythical epic bonus do affect these abilities. It seems unusual that some of these abilities are modified by a combination of melee crit and spell damage %...

on guard: melee crit / spell dmg %

rogue offense stance: melee crit / spell dmg %

insight: spell crit / spell dmg % - umm, it inflicts piercing damage, right?

As a result of this bug, precision striking (swashbuckler final achievement which "adds 10% base, 5% critical damage to all CAs with a 30 second or longer reuse) doesn't affect as many CAs as it should.... not to mention the dirge and swashbuckler mythical bonuses to CA damage %...

This issue is problematic for classes which rely almost entirely on melee bonuses. Please look into fixing it.

Fyreflyte · 12-15-2008, 05:24 PM

You'll have to bring that issue up with Aeralik, as he does the spell and ability programming. I just make the lootz =)

Wrapye · 12-15-2008, 06:25 PM

Fyreflyte wrote:

Interesting. I guess the AA CAs get a special classification, and aren't strictly specified as CAs. Its now fixed and will be hotfixed in shortly =)
Edit: This goes for all versions of Empowered Essence.

Nope, they are 'abilities'. That is why effects like the +10% spell recast on the coercer mythical does not affect 'spells' that come from AAs (like Tashiana, Thoughtsnap, Manaward, etc.) while the +10% ability recast from the fabled coercer VP pants do.

Naughtesn · 12-16-2008, 03:16 PM

If the AA CA's get changed to normal CAs - the AA "spells" should get changed also.

Lethe5683 · 12-16-2008, 03:23 PM

Darchon6 wrote:

Fyreflyte wrote:
Interesting. I guess the AA CAs get a special classification, and aren't strictly specified as CAs. Its now fixed and will be hotfixed in shortly =)
Edit: This goes for all versions of Empowered Essence.
While you're at it, could you fix the combat arts which are somehow being classified as spells? Empowered Arts VIII, for example, doesn't affect the rogue offense stance, on guard, or insight. However, spell % mods such as from Empowered Essence, bloodthirsty choker. amd the troubador mythical epic bonus do affect these abilities. It seems unusual that some of these abilities are modified by a combination of melee crit and spell damage %...
on guard: melee crit / spell dmg %
rogue offense stance: melee crit / spell dmg %
insight: spell crit / spell dmg % - umm, it inflicts piercing damage, right?
As a result of this bug, precision striking (swashbuckler final achievement which "adds 10% base, 5% critical damage to all CAs with a 30 second or longer reuse) doesn't affect as many CAs as it should.... not to mention the dirge and swashbuckler mythical bonuses to CA damage %...
This issue is problematic for classes which rely almost entirely on melee bonuses. Please look into fixing it.

That's something I always found odd. They count as spells for the bonus damage but for everything else they count as a CA.

LightCC · 12-31-2008, 02:05 PM

This same issue is affecting the mage AA Bewilderment and Sorcerer AA Thunderclap. They are spells according to their descriptions (should be) but they are not being affected by Empowered Magic on the Sorcerer void shard shoulders. The choker does affect them, as does the sorcerer WIS ability that gives 4% base dmg (with 8 AAs), but not the empowered magic. From the tooltips this also affects the warlock endline AA Plaguebringer, but I don't have it yet to test in game. The Thunderclap and Bewilderment I've tested on training dummies, not just by tooltips.

Everyone, myself included, seems to be seeing much higher resist rates on these AAs then normal profession abilities - could this be tied in with the empowered magic issue? If they are classified as CAs then I understand why mages might see higher resist rates. I would like to see these clearly classified as one type of attack or the other and that listed in the spell description. Right now I have no good way to help lower the resists on these then just wait for dispatch, please clarify all these AAs and get the classifications straight.

It's bad that spending 42 shards on greater void shoulders doesn't get you the base damage on the new TSO AAs, especially on your class endline ability like plaguebringer, if that is indeed affected by this issue.

Fendaria · 01-05-2009, 01:24 PM

Any more news about this?

Fendaria

12-12-2008, 03:12 PM	#5
Oakum Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,441	Thanks, I appreciate that also. I never really looked at the warden CA's to see if they were having the same problem or not. I do have a question and without spending a lot of plat I dont have though. Does the AA line to increase elemental damage for druids work with CA's or is it spell only and just for furys and nuking wardens? I Havent been able to find anything about it in the forums. __________________

12-14-2008, 08:47 AM	#7
Darchon6 Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 166	Fyreflyte wrote: Interesting. I guess the AA CAs get a special classification, and aren't strictly specified as CAs. Its now fixed and will be hotfixed in shortly =) Edit: This goes for all versions of Empowered Essence. While you're at it, could you fix the combat arts which are somehow being classified as spells? Empowered Arts VIII, for example, doesn't affect the rogue offense stance, on guard, or insight. However, spell % mods such as from Empowered Essence, bloodthirsty choker. amd the troubador mythical epic bonus do affect these abilities. It seems unusual that some of these abilities are modified by a combination of melee crit and spell damage %... on guard: melee crit / spell dmg % rogue offense stance: melee crit / spell dmg % insight: spell crit / spell dmg % - umm, it inflicts piercing damage, right? As a result of this bug, precision striking (swashbuckler final achievement which "adds 10% base, 5% critical damage to all CAs with a 30 second or longer reuse) doesn't affect as many CAs as it should.... not to mention the dirge and swashbuckler mythical bonuses to CA damage %... This issue is problematic for classes which rely almost entirely on melee bonuses. Please look into fixing it. __________________ Koldsteel Bladestorm 90 Assassin Tyranny Oasis

12-15-2008, 06:25 PM	#9
Wrapye Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 912	Fyreflyte wrote: Interesting. I guess the AA CAs get a special classification, and aren't strictly specified as CAs. Its now fixed and will be hotfixed in shortly =) Edit: This goes for all versions of Empowered Essence. Nope, they are 'abilities'. That is why effects like the +10% spell recast on the coercer mythical does not affect 'spells' that come from AAs (like Tashiana, Thoughtsnap, Manaward, etc.) while the +10% ability recast from the fabled coercer VP pants do. __________________

12-16-2008, 03:16 PM	#10
Naughtesn General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 271	If the AA CA's get changed to normal CAs - the AA "spells" should get changed also. __________________ Hausbau, 80 Coercer

12-16-2008, 03:23 PM	#11
Lethe5683 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 5,351	Darchon6 wrote: Fyreflyte wrote: Interesting. I guess the AA CAs get a special classification, and aren't strictly specified as CAs. Its now fixed and will be hotfixed in shortly =) Edit: This goes for all versions of Empowered Essence. While you're at it, could you fix the combat arts which are somehow being classified as spells? Empowered Arts VIII, for example, doesn't affect the rogue offense stance, on guard, or insight. However, spell % mods such as from Empowered Essence, bloodthirsty choker. amd the troubador mythical epic bonus do affect these abilities. It seems unusual that some of these abilities are modified by a combination of melee crit and spell damage %... on guard: melee crit / spell dmg % rogue offense stance: melee crit / spell dmg % insight: spell crit / spell dmg % - umm, it inflicts piercing damage, right? As a result of this bug, precision striking (swashbuckler final achievement which "adds 10% base, 5% critical damage to all CAs with a 30 second or longer reuse) doesn't affect as many CAs as it should.... not to mention the dirge and swashbuckler mythical bonuses to CA damage %... This issue is problematic for classes which rely almost entirely on melee bonuses. Please look into fixing it. That's something I always found odd. They count as spells for the bonus damage but for everything else they count as a CA.

12-11-2008, 02:55 PM	#1
Apos Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 63	I have the worst luck on blowing shards on stuff that I find out doesn't work for my abilities. Anyways, it probably isn't flagged to apply to AA attacks, which wouldn't be a big deal but all the mystic (and other priest) 'covert your spells to CAs' are AA abilities... so it doesn't apply the base mod to them. I mean I -think- it's not intended, since heck empowered essence increases my procs afterall, but beats me.

12-11-2008, 04:29 PM	#2
Fyreflyte Black Mage Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Hawaii Posts: 751	That should be affecting all spellss and CAs (AA or not). Could you give me a little more reference as to what armor you're using and which abilities it's not improving?

12-11-2008, 06:44 PM	#3
Apos Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 63	Soul Lancer's Spaulders, the empowered essence VIII for 8% spells/CA's. Doesn't seem to work on all the mystic combat arts from the EoF AA tree- chilling strike, glacial strike, feverish strike, circle of the ancients. Other AA attacks too from Kingdom of Sky AA tree, like Phalanx from the stamina line for shamans.

12-11-2008, 08:09 PM	#4
Fyreflyte Black Mage Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Hawaii Posts: 751	Interesting. I guess the AA CAs get a special classification, and aren't strictly specified as CAs. Its now fixed and will be hotfixed in shortly =) Edit: This goes for all versions of Empowered Essence.

12-14-2008, 06:48 AM	#6
Nebbeny Tester Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 420	Without going to the thread and checking myself, i'm pretty confidant that Wclarry said that it does, and i'm pretty confidant that it does as i am currently using it, go check the aa thread he posted on our warden forums Oak and it should be there

12-15-2008, 05:24 PM	#8
Fyreflyte Black Mage Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Hawaii Posts: 751	You'll have to bring that issue up with Aeralik, as he does the spell and ability programming. I just make the lootz =)

12-31-2008, 02:05 PM	#12
LightCC Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 39	This same issue is affecting the mage AA Bewilderment and Sorcerer AA Thunderclap. They are spells according to their descriptions (should be) but they are not being affected by Empowered Magic on the Sorcerer void shard shoulders. The choker does affect them, as does the sorcerer WIS ability that gives 4% base dmg (with 8 AAs), but not the empowered magic. From the tooltips this also affects the warlock endline AA Plaguebringer, but I don't have it yet to test in game. The Thunderclap and Bewilderment I've tested on training dummies, not just by tooltips. Everyone, myself included, seems to be seeing much higher resist rates on these AAs then normal profession abilities - could this be tied in with the empowered magic issue? If they are classified as CAs then I understand why mages might see higher resist rates. I would like to see these clearly classified as one type of attack or the other and that listed in the spell description. Right now I have no good way to help lower the resists on these then just wait for dispatch, please clarify all these AAs and get the classifications straight. It's bad that spending 42 shards on greater void shoulders doesn't get you the base damage on the new TSO AAs, especially on your class endline ability like plaguebringer, if that is indeed affected by this issue.

01-05-2009, 01:24 PM	#13
Fendaria Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 296	Any more news about this? Fendaria