Euro vs US servers

ScatteringCats · 10-20-2008, 09:31 PM

Why exactly are there separate servers for different continents if euro/asian raid guilds are transfering to US servers for contested. Obviously there is no worry about connectivity being this happens so much. So keepin it short. I may be missing something because I see absolutely no reason for separating the population if people are moving around servers anyway to make sure they dont have to have competition. Is there actually a reason for having them seperate? Not lookin to start a flame of anykind, just curious as to other peoples opinions/takes on this. Slye

TheSpin · 10-21-2008, 02:03 AM

My ping is better on a EU server than a US server, by about 100ms. Not sure if the EU servers are actually located in EU or not, but it seems to be better for me.

I also think there only is one guild on this EU server that is attempting avatars, so the competition is not really an issue. People do move around as they please, but I don't see a reason to take away the two european servers that currently exist as long as they have a population to support the server.

Overall, the seperation is good because it gives a place people know they can go to find players around their time zone...plus you can make more characters if you play on both US and EU servers.

Killerbee3000 · 10-21-2008, 04:02 AM

TheSpin wrote:

it gives a place people know they can go to find players around their time zone...

thats the main reason right there.

Mirdo · 10-21-2008, 06:10 AM

If the European population was spread around the US servers, running a guild and finding poeple to group with during peak times would be much harder.

Raid guilds can manage it because some raiders are willing to move servers and put up with the lower peak population for the chance at raiding contested.

I'm not sure what exactly you are driving at with your post though. My response answers your surface question but you do seem to be a lot more concerned that a Euro raid guild has moved to your server to avoid competition. Do you not have any guilds on Nek that can kill avatars then? Even if they are in a different timezone, surely they still count as competition? As far as I'm aware, hardcore guilds will happily pull outside of their normal raid times for contested mobs.

Shikome · 10-21-2008, 06:21 AM

Just because you have a lot of people who are not speaking so well english on EU server. Abnd we are quiet happy to have opportunities to make quest without having 200 peoples rushing a poor "?" on a center of the map

ScatteringCats · 10-21-2008, 08:27 PM

Mostly wanted to find out why they have euro servers. I can see the point of playing on aserver with people that are from your area of the world and play times. But wouldnt that just work itself out by who is on when mostly? I remember in eq1 we had an asian guild that hardly anyone even knew existed because they played such different times. Wouldnt you just be on around the same time anyways? And yes...there is a euro guild that has jumped our server and is now taking avatars, only ones that pop at off peak hours because they dont get them otherwise. But this just raised my curiousity about why they separate them. So it seems just for playin with people in your area. Just curious though, if there is only one guild even trying avatars, why would a guild come over to a US server just to get the leftovers that happen to show during a very small sliver of the day? Thanks for the responses though, its exactly the kind of thoughts I was hoping for. Specially from folks from across the pond SMILEY

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Warthrax · 10-21-2008, 09:11 PM

This also makes me quite curious as to why they don't regulate the American and European Servers. They are seperate and should be that way. I cannot even create a toon on a European server and yet a whole guild can transfer from a European to an American Server. Competition is fine, but when there is no competition because of the time difference between european and american guilds they basically have free roam of the server. In a sense it's exploiting the american servers because of the time difference. It's really unfair in a lot of ways and it should be regulated.

Alienor · 10-22-2008, 03:32 AM

Warthrax wrote:

I cannot even create a toon on a European server and yet a whole guild can transfer from a European to an American Server.

You are not reading the "Did you knows... " while zoning. Forgive me, but the rest of your statement sounds rude to me, a little bit elite, which is also one point for NOT playing on an EU server as this attitude seems to be at SOE side too.Main reasons for playing on an English server is (in this order imo):a) translation sucks really bad. Yes, it is translated, but without any sense and feeling for the non-english language. On the other hand things like LFG or AFK are translated, which is just ridiculous.b) Population is low I guess. No idea if it takes 1-2h on AB to get a group running. From the postings here it sounds different.c) EU servers are behind. Behind the patch schedule, behind discos (whoever thinks this is important), and are generally the stepchild at SOE datacenter. "Oh, Splitpaw is down again? Err, what was Splitpaw again after all?" Sometimes they even forget to push the patch content to those servers. Support seems to be better on US servers. It is the "US first, world last" attitude which makes people want to move.

Mirdo · 10-22-2008, 03:38 AM

Warthrax wrote:

This also makes me quite curious as to why they don't regulate the American and European Servers. They are seperate and should be that way. I cannot even create a toon on a European server and yet a whole guild can transfer from a European to an American Server. Competition is fine, but when there is no competition because of the time difference between european and american guilds they basically have free roam of the server. In a sense it's exploiting the american servers because of the time difference. It's really unfair in a lot of ways and it should be regulated.

There should be nothing stopping you making an account on a Euro server. I know a number of American residents that play on Runnyeye. If that's the case, there should be no reason a US guild could not do exactly the same thing and start up on a Euro server.

Your post only indicates that there are no US guilds on your server that are prepared to call out to contest if a mob pops Euro raid times. That's fine but it's also a choice (and I would guess is one of the the reasons your server was chosen). You might find one reason US guilds have not started on Euro servers is that one or two of the Euro guilds might well be prepared to contest well into US raid times.

Not living in the USA I'm prepared to be proven wrong that a whole guild could not transfer to a Euro server, but if if individual US citizens can play here, I see no reason why guild loads couldn't.

Killerbee3000 · 10-22-2008, 04:05 AM

Warthrax wrote:

I cannot even create a toon on a European server and yet a whole guild can transfer from a European to an American Server.

Wrong, you can, you just dont know how to, at the launchpad where the eula is, there is a dropdown menu where you can select a region and depending on that you then see different servers, just ignore the warnings when picking the european english servers about the "big" download, gamefiles are identical half the time, (other half they are off a small bit as patch time on euro servers is later).

Triste-Lune · 10-22-2008, 05:07 AM

i m a european player and i have only played on US server for a few reason, i prefer the community of the US server, server get update first as well maintenance first, and no realtime translation in my own language causing a 1k ping. @ OP, are you really loosing avatars to HW? i mean they are only good at healing avatars to death with their 10+healer a raid, by the time they should be wiping when learning 1 hour must have pass and you should have enought online to kill it by then :p

Mirdo · 10-22-2008, 05:40 AM

Triste-Lune wrote:

i m a european player and i have only played on US server for a few reason, i prefer the community of the US server, server get update first as well maintenance first, and no realtime translation in my own language causing a 1k ping.@ OP, are you really loosing avatars to HW? i mean they are only good at healing avatars to death with their 10+healer a raid, by the time they should be wiping when learning 1 hour must have pass and you should have enought online to kill it by then :p

I think he's referring to Absolution. They are a good guild more than capable of killing avatars.

swedago · 10-24-2008, 05:07 AM

Warthrax wrote:

This also makes me quite curious as to why they don't regulate the American and European Servers. They are seperate and should be that way. I cannot even create a toon on a European server and yet a whole guild can transfer from a European to an American Server. Competition is fine, but when there is no competition because of the time difference between european and american guilds they basically have free roam of the server. In a sense it's exploiting the american servers because of the time difference. It's really unfair in a lot of ways and it should be regulated.

Yes you can... When you load your client there is an option in the top right hand corner to choose English (US), English (EU), etc.... If you choose the English (EU) you can not only create a new toon on a euro server, but you have max slots to do so. I have toons (4) on a EU server and (12) on US servers.

Competition leads to success my friend. It may be true that euro hour players transfer to a US server to grab contested. I do not see why US raiding guilds do not do the same on a EU server?

Tsunai · 10-24-2008, 06:41 AM

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Noaani · 10-24-2008, 10:56 AM

Killerbee3000 wrote:

TheSpin wrote:
it gives a place people know they can go to find players around their time zone...
thats the main reason right there.

No its not, the main reason is so that they can pull the european servers down at a time more appropriate for those in europe.

Edit: some servers (Phara Dar, Barren Sky, The Nexus, Innovation, Sebilis and Storms are all I am aware of) exist so that players are able to play the game in their native language. Most of these are in european time zones as well.

gi · 10-24-2008, 11:45 AM

I live in UK however I play on the AB Server in the US. I play on this server as there was no Euro servers when the game was released on day1. And there is still no euro roleplay server, so I have no reason to consider moving. Also euro servers don't get the content updates until a day or so later. Thats Why I play on the US servers

10-21-2008, 04:02 AM	#3
Killerbee3000 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: right behind you Posts: 1,802	TheSpin wrote: it gives a place people know they can go to find players around their time zone... thats the main reason right there. __________________ Whiskers without loosing Eyes in '08!

10-21-2008, 08:27 PM	#6
ScatteringCats Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 17	Mostly wanted to find out why they have euro servers. I can see the point of playing on aserver with people that are from your area of the world and play times. But wouldnt that just work itself out by who is on when mostly? I remember in eq1 we had an asian guild that hardly anyone even knew existed because they played such different times. Wouldnt you just be on around the same time anyways? And yes...there is a euro guild that has jumped our server and is now taking avatars, only ones that pop at off peak hours because they dont get them otherwise. But this just raised my curiousity about why they separate them. So it seems just for playin with people in your area. Just curious though, if there is only one guild even trying avatars, why would a guild come over to a US server just to get the leftovers that happen to show during a very small sliver of the day? Thanks for the responses though, its exactly the kind of thoughts I was hoping for. Specially from folks from across the pond Slye

10-22-2008, 03:32 AM	#8
Alienor Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,393	Warthrax wrote: I cannot even create a toon on a European server and yet a whole guild can transfer from a European to an American Server. You are not reading the "Did you knows... " while zoning. Forgive me, but the rest of your statement sounds rude to me, a little bit elite, which is also one point for NOT playing on an EU server as this attitude seems to be at SOE side too.Main reasons for playing on an English server is (in this order imo):a) translation sucks really bad. Yes, it is translated, but without any sense and feeling for the non-english language. On the other hand things like LFG or AFK are translated, which is just ridiculous.b) Population is low I guess. No idea if it takes 1-2h on AB to get a group running. From the postings here it sounds different.c) EU servers are behind. Behind the patch schedule, behind discos (whoever thinks this is important), and are generally the stepchild at SOE datacenter. "Oh, Splitpaw is down again? Err, what was Splitpaw again after all?" Sometimes they even forget to push the patch content to those servers. Support seems to be better on US servers. It is the "US first, world last" attitude which makes people want to move.

10-22-2008, 03:38 AM	#9
Mirdo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: UK Posts: 395	Warthrax wrote: This also makes me quite curious as to why they don't regulate the American and European Servers. They are seperate and should be that way. I cannot even create a toon on a European server and yet a whole guild can transfer from a European to an American Server. Competition is fine, but when there is no competition because of the time difference between european and american guilds they basically have free roam of the server. In a sense it's exploiting the american servers because of the time difference. It's really unfair in a lot of ways and it should be regulated. There should be nothing stopping you making an account on a Euro server. I know a number of American residents that play on Runnyeye. If that's the case, there should be no reason a US guild could not do exactly the same thing and start up on a Euro server. Your post only indicates that there are no US guilds on your server that are prepared to call out to contest if a mob pops Euro raid times. That's fine but it's also a choice (and I would guess is one of the the reasons your server was chosen). You might find one reason US guilds have not started on Euro servers is that one or two of the Euro guilds might well be prepared to contest well into US raid times. Not living in the USA I'm prepared to be proven wrong that a whole guild could not transfer to a Euro server, but if if individual US citizens can play here, I see no reason why guild loads couldn't.

10-22-2008, 04:05 AM	#10
Killerbee3000 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: right behind you Posts: 1,802	Warthrax wrote: I cannot even create a toon on a European server and yet a whole guild can transfer from a European to an American Server. Wrong, you can, you just dont know how to, at the launchpad where the eula is, there is a dropdown menu where you can select a region and depending on that you then see different servers, just ignore the warnings when picking the european english servers about the "big" download, gamefiles are identical half the time, (other half they are off a small bit as patch time on euro servers is later). __________________ Whiskers without loosing Eyes in '08!

10-20-2008, 09:31 PM	#1
ScatteringCats Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 17	Why exactly are there separate servers for different continents if euro/asian raid guilds are transfering to US servers for contested. Obviously there is no worry about connectivity being this happens so much. So keepin it short. I may be missing something because I see absolutely no reason for separating the population if people are moving around servers anyway to make sure they dont have to have competition. Is there actually a reason for having them seperate? Not lookin to start a flame of anykind, just curious as to other peoples opinions/takes on this. Slye

10-21-2008, 02:03 AM	#2
TheSpin Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,587	My ping is better on a EU server than a US server, by about 100ms. Not sure if the EU servers are actually located in EU or not, but it seems to be better for me. I also think there only is one guild on this EU server that is attempting avatars, so the competition is not really an issue. People do move around as they please, but I don't see a reason to take away the two european servers that currently exist as long as they have a population to support the server. Overall, the seperation is good because it gives a place people know they can go to find players around their time zone...plus you can make more characters if you play on both US and EU servers.

10-21-2008, 06:10 AM	#4
Mirdo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: UK Posts: 395	If the European population was spread around the US servers, running a guild and finding poeple to group with during peak times would be much harder. Raid guilds can manage it because some raiders are willing to move servers and put up with the lower peak population for the chance at raiding contested. I'm not sure what exactly you are driving at with your post though. My response answers your surface question but you do seem to be a lot more concerned that a Euro raid guild has moved to your server to avoid competition. Do you not have any guilds on Nek that can kill avatars then? Even if they are in a different timezone, surely they still count as competition? As far as I'm aware, hardcore guilds will happily pull outside of their normal raid times for contested mobs.

10-21-2008, 06:21 AM	#5
Shikome Server: Storms Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: France - Nice (Storms Server) Posts: 104	Just because you have a lot of people who are not speaking so well english on EU server. Abnd we are quiet happy to have opportunities to make quest without having 200 peoples rushing a poor "?" on a center of the map

10-21-2008, 09:11 PM	#7
Warthrax Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2	This also makes me quite curious as to why they don't regulate the American and European Servers. They are seperate and should be that way. I cannot even create a toon on a European server and yet a whole guild can transfer from a European to an American Server. Competition is fine, but when there is no competition because of the time difference between european and american guilds they basically have free roam of the server. In a sense it's exploiting the american servers because of the time difference. It's really unfair in a lot of ways and it should be regulated.

10-22-2008, 05:07 AM	#11
Triste-Lune Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 482	i m a european player and i have only played on US server for a few reason, i prefer the community of the US server, server get update first as well maintenance first, and no realtime translation in my own language causing a 1k ping. @ OP, are you really loosing avatars to HW? i mean they are only good at healing avatars to death with their 10+healer a raid, by the time they should be wiping when learning 1 hour must have pass and you should have enought online to kill it by then :p __________________ outside of a dog reading is man's best friend. Inside it s too dark to read...

10-22-2008, 05:40 AM	#12
Mirdo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: UK Posts: 395	Triste-Lune wrote: i m a european player and i have only played on US server for a few reason, i prefer the community of the US server, server get update first as well maintenance first, and no realtime translation in my own language causing a 1k ping.@ OP, are you really loosing avatars to HW? i mean they are only good at healing avatars to death with their 10+healer a raid, by the time they should be wiping when learning 1 hour must have pass and you should have enought online to kill it by then :p I think he's referring to Absolution. They are a good guild more than capable of killing avatars.

10-24-2008, 05:07 AM	#13
swedago Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 377	Warthrax wrote: This also makes me quite curious as to why they don't regulate the American and European Servers. They are seperate and should be that way. I cannot even create a toon on a European server and yet a whole guild can transfer from a European to an American Server. Competition is fine, but when there is no competition because of the time difference between european and american guilds they basically have free roam of the server. In a sense it's exploiting the american servers because of the time difference. It's really unfair in a lot of ways and it should be regulated. Yes you can... When you load your client there is an option in the top right hand corner to choose English (US), English (EU), etc.... If you choose the English (EU) you can not only create a new toon on a euro server, but you have max slots to do so. I have toons (4) on a EU server and (12) on US servers. Competition leads to success my friend. It may be true that euro hour players transfer to a US server to grab contested. I do not see why US raiding guilds do not do the same on a EU server? __________________

10-24-2008, 06:41 AM	#14
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10-24-2008, 10:56 AM	#15
Noaani Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 6,077	Killerbee3000 wrote: TheSpin wrote: it gives a place people know they can go to find players around their time zone... thats the main reason right there. No its not, the main reason is so that they can pull the european servers down at a time more appropriate for those in europe. Edit: some servers (Phara Dar, Barren Sky, The Nexus, Innovation, Sebilis and Storms are all I am aware of) exist so that players are able to play the game in their native language. Most of these are in european time zones as well. __________________ The superior man knows what is right. The inferior man knows what will sell. Confucius

10-24-2008, 11:45 AM	#16
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