Fix evac please

Arcanias · 09-02-2008, 02:31 PM

Evac should put you in combat if you have been engaged by another player. Every other teleport spell puts you in combat once you have been attacked. If you fail to evac before I land a root on you, you deserve to die, TBH.

Bloodfa · 09-02-2008, 03:21 PM

Evac is fine as it is, with one exception. Scout evac should be the same as the Warden and Wizzy ones; more easily interruptable and stationary. Making evac throw you into combat automatically kind of negates evac.

Arcanias · 09-02-2008, 03:23 PM

Use it before someone engages you. Everything else puts you in combat, so should evac.

Bozidar · 09-02-2008, 03:25 PM

evac is fine.

Darkor · 09-02-2008, 03:26 PM

Arcanias@Venekor wrote:

Evac should put you in combat if you have been engaged by another player. Every other teleport spell puts you in combat once you have been attacked. If you fail to evac before I land a root on you, you deserve to die, TBH.

hahaha so agreeeee! That would be nice SMILEY

Zexybeast · 09-02-2008, 03:31 PM

Could just take evac out, I'd be satisfied... Except I do like traveling faster through the zone...

Wytie · 09-02-2008, 04:14 PM

Arcanias@Venekor wrote:

Use it before someone engages you. Everything else puts you in combat, so should evac.

Arcanias@Venekor wrote:

Use it before someone engages you. Everything else puts you in combat, so should evac.

Arcanias@Venekor wrote:

Use it before someone engages you. Everything else puts you in combat, so should evac.

Arcanias@Venekor wrote:

Use it before someone engages you. Everything else puts you in combat, so should evac.

Arcanias@Venekor wrote:

Use it before someone engages you. Everything else puts you in combat, so should evac.

QFE

Bozidar · 09-02-2008, 04:33 PM

healers' aoe deaggro, track, sprint, jumping, crouching, walking, activating posts/clouds/griffs, and a host of other things (crafting something) do not put you into pvp combat. (opening a druid portal, for another example)

evac's fine.

Gimet · 09-02-2008, 05:08 PM

Evac is not fine.

It's hard to interrupt, cast on the run, and can be used even while track is up.

1) Lose the ability to use it after you've been hit. You have Track, use it. Scouts preach to everyone else, stay on your toes...don't let me get the jump. YOu guys should do the same.

2) Lose the ability to cast on the run and it being un-interruptible. Keep the use after being hit, but you can't jump around people while they are hitting you hoping to get away at the last second for some fun.

One or the other, THEN it is fine.

Bloodfa · 09-02-2008, 05:16 PM

Gimet@Vox wrote:

Evac is not fine.
It's hard to interrupt, cast on the run, and can be used even while track is up.
1) Lose the ability to use it after you've been hit. You have Track, use it. Scouts preach to everyone else, stay on your toes...don't let me get the jump. YOu guys should do the same.
2) Lose the ability to cast on the run and it being un-interruptible. Keep the use after being hit, but you can't jump around people while they are hitting you hoping to get away at the last second for some fun.
One or the other, THEN it is fine.

Regarding point 1) conversely, one could argue the same about Manashield greying out if you get hit before you pop it. I mean, Snow Filled Steps, totems and such, casters should stay on their toes because after all, you can see us coming. Either way ...

On point 2) /agree and even posted it before you. SMILEY

Wytie · 09-02-2008, 05:38 PM

Bozidar wrote:

healers' aoe deaggro, track, sprint, jumping, crouching, walking, activating posts/clouds/griffs, and a host of other things (crafting something) do not put you into pvp combat. (opening a druid portal, for another example)
evac's fine.

All those things you listed should put you into pvp combat also and should be fixed.

If you are being hit, and do anything other than push a directional key, you should be put into combat but thats just my opinion

Warr · 09-02-2008, 06:12 PM

Pail, you sadist..

Wytie · 09-02-2008, 06:15 PM

Warren@Venekor wrote:

Pail, you sadist..

ROFLZ

Well I do have a toon named "Humiliation" so I guess so lol

KannaWhoopass · 09-02-2008, 07:18 PM

well

I have died opening a portal ... and im sure may others have also

The way i figgure it ... it has such an outrageous cast time the whatever proc heal ... or whatever gear goes off

and wham combat

I think it was my godkig buckler ... but .. evac is ok .. i suppose.. most people lead with a stiffle or mez now ..

on my warden ..i can never evac .. so i dont even try ..

Sorffats · 09-02-2008, 08:18 PM

I get ticked off when my scout update evacs, yeah; however, I don't think it should be removed. Nor do I think it should put you in combat, there are some ligit reasons to evac (like if you are fighting mobs, and a group comes up on you and tries to gank you; evac is a viable and ligitimate tool to use). However, I do believe that scout evac should be interuptable and unable to be used on the run.

Buttcliffe · 09-03-2008, 11:10 AM

Bloodfang@Nagafen wrote:

Evac is fine as it is, with one exception. Scout evac should be the same as the Warden and Wizzy ones; more easily interruptable and stationary. Making evac throw you into combat automatically kind of negates evac.

this

Rattfa · 09-03-2008, 11:18 AM

Fix evac? It's not broken, it's working as intended.It should be changed though for PvP.1. Longer recast (say 30 mins)2. Easier to interrupt3. No perma immune after evacStill an 'oh crap' get out of jail card for your group, but harder to use as a fame hugging tool

Kurindor_Mythecnea · 09-03-2008, 12:08 PM

Rattface@Nagafen wrote:

Fix evac? It's not broken, it's working as intended.It should be changed though for PvP.1. Longer recast (say 30 mins)2. Easier to interrupt3. No perma immune after evacStill an 'oh crap' get out of jail card for your group, but harder to use as a fame hugging tool

This underlies the significant sentiments of those who have considered evacuation throughout all the days, weeks, and months of EQ2 PvP, a stance I vehemently support and wherein I attribute accolades for yet another being able to acknowledge apt assessement.

Snoopdevious · 09-03-2008, 12:09 PM

I also think that the evac necklaces should be fixed to do the same as evac. The way it is now, it takes longer to cast, can't cast on the run, and gets interrupted very easily. I know it really isn't an evac, but a port home, but it has to be bought. Why cant it have all of the same oportunities that evac gives. Just a little something more for our 12g and 100k status.

Shadow_Viper · 09-04-2008, 04:31 PM

Bozidar wrote:

evac is fine.

Indeed, people need to stop asking SOE to maker the game easier for them just because they're having difficulty with a certain ability, class, item, etc.

For those individuals that think the answer is nerfing things when they run into the least little bit of challenge, I highly suggest reading the first post in the Welcome to the Jungle thread. It is a great source of information and advice, a must read for each and every PVPer.

Paikis · 09-04-2008, 04:34 PM

Shadow_Viper wrote:

Bozidar wrote:
evac is fine.
Indeed, people need to stop asking SOE to maker the game easier for them just because they're having difficulty with a certain ability, class, item, etc.
For those individuals that think the answer is nerfing things when they run into the least little bit of challenge, I highly suggest reading the first post in the Welcome to the Jungle thread. It is a great source of information and advice, a must read for each and every PVPer.

Do you have a macro to post this garbage into every thread you read? It's almost word-for-word identical to about half of your total posts.

Shadow_Viper · 09-04-2008, 04:42 PM

Paikis wrote:

Shadow_Viper wrote:
Bozidar wrote:
evac is fine.
Indeed, people need to stop asking SOE to maker the game easier for them just because they're having difficulty with a certain ability, class, item, etc.
For those individuals that think the answer is nerfing things when they run into the least little bit of challenge, I highly suggest reading the first post in the Welcome to the Jungle thread. It is a great source of information and advice, a must read for each and every PVPer.
Do you have a macro to post this garbage into every thread you read? It's almost word-for-word identical to about half of your total posts.

Nope.

I simply post my opinions and helpful suggestions.

Arcanias · 09-05-2008, 12:36 PM

Shadow_Viper wrote:

Bozidar wrote:
evac is fine.
Indeed, people need to stop asking SOE to maker the game easier for them just because they're having difficulty with a certain ability, class, item, etc.
For those individuals that think the answer is nerfing things when they run into the least little bit of challenge, I highly suggest reading the first post in the Welcome to the Jungle thread. It is a great source of information and advice, a must read for each and every PVPer.

Make the game easier? I'm asking to fix a broken game mechanic that will result in more pvp encounters for myself and more deaths to my enemies. I'm not asking to remove evac, but it should put you in combat if you have been engaged just like everything else.

Cigam · 09-05-2008, 12:42 PM

In the first post he said evac should cause a player to go into combat after being attacked.

It should be that way kinda like MANASHIELD puts you into combat when used after being hit by another player.....

Dh · 09-07-2008, 12:02 PM

Scout evac should work just as wizard and warden evacs. Must stand still for the cast and will not finish casting while stunned/stifled.

Sorcerer Translocate spells which are 10second cast should not put u in pvp combat if you are hit by PVP before they finish casting.

Spyderbite · 09-07-2008, 12:36 PM

Eragahn@Nagafen wrote:

However, I do believe that scout evac should be interuptable and unable to be used on the run.

With three scouts of my own, I'd be fine with the above since I use it as intended. I hit evac when I see a group roll in to the zone on my tracking and I'm the only obvious target in the area. It also serves as a rather convenient taxi ride across a zone without the damage to armor due to drowning or jumping.

Kram337 · 09-07-2008, 09:51 PM

I would totally agree if I didn't just roll up a new scout SMILEY

In honesty, scouts already have enough other advantages in pvp to not really need evac. But looking at this from a group perspective I think evac should probably stay as is. Since any decent group should have at least 1 scout. Theres been times while i was grouped with a scout that we'd happen into a x4 and I sure was happy we could evac. That's not pvp that's slaughter!

Geinoch · 09-08-2008, 01:10 AM

I would say Evac is almost fine. I have a scout and I would only give a longer recast time (30 min - 1 hour). I'm getting chased by a guy and I manage to evac. I wait 15 min in immunity (go to bathroom, take a drink) and move again. So, If a scout is chilling a bit he is understructible :/ and is getting his title with so much ease.

3 hours of play mean 12 Evacs. 12 fights in 3 hours is probably as much as we can wish in a pvp server.

(sorry for my english)

Mary the Prophetess · 09-08-2008, 01:16 AM

I can't really speak to the Evac abuses I read that are posted here.

I play solo. In Kunark, without Evac, I am just some Exile groups' latest kill.

Take away Evac, and you destroy solo play for others who play as I do. It is a survival tool for me, and because I play solo, it is the primary reason I chose to play a scout class in the first place.

My 2cp.

Spyderbite · 09-08-2008, 01:40 AM

Mary the Prophetess wrote:

Take away Evac, and you destroy solo play for others who play as I do. It is a survival tool for me, and because I play solo, it is the primary reason I chose to play a scout class in the first place.

Well said.While it might be abused in groups... it is a requirement for the solo scout. If they removed evac from any scout participating in a group (read.. ganks rolling solos) then these threads would triple. Remove the ability to evac completely and these threads would disappear and group's (read.. ganks rolling solos) titles would shoot straight to Destroyer.

09-02-2008, 02:31 PM	#1
Arcanias Server: Venekor Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 87	Evac should put you in combat if you have been engaged by another player. Every other teleport spell puts you in combat once you have been attacked. If you fail to evac before I land a root on you, you deserve to die, TBH. __________________

09-02-2008, 03:21 PM	#2
Bloodfa Server: Nagafen General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,873	Evac is fine as it is, with one exception. Scout evac should be the same as the Warden and Wizzy ones; more easily interruptable and stationary. Making evac throw you into combat automatically kind of negates evac. __________________

09-02-2008, 03:23 PM	#3
Arcanias Server: Venekor Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 87	Use it before someone engages you. Everything else puts you in combat, so should evac. __________________

09-02-2008, 03:26 PM	#5
Darkor Server: Nagafen Guild: Nexus Rank: Ancient and Mummified Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 1,957	Arcanias@Venekor wrote: Evac should put you in combat if you have been engaged by another player. Every other teleport spell puts you in combat once you have been attacked. If you fail to evac before I land a root on you, you deserve to die, TBH. hahaha so agreeeee! That would be nice __________________ Steal 90 Assassin Darkor 90 Swashbuckler Daerkin 90 Shadowknight Daerkor 90 Templar Ajjantis 90 Warden Melodic 90 Dirge Dayo 90 Monk Rasiel 88 Conjuror Razyeel 70 Wizard Biyon 65 Beastlord

09-02-2008, 04:14 PM	#7
Wytie Mouse Betrayer! Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,579	Arcanias@Venekor wrote: Use it before someone engages you. Everything else puts you in combat, so should evac. Arcanias@Venekor wrote: Use it before someone engages you. Everything else puts you in combat, so should evac. Arcanias@Venekor wrote: Use it before someone engages you. Everything else puts you in combat, so should evac. Arcanias@Venekor wrote: Use it before someone engages you. Everything else puts you in combat, so should evac. Arcanias@Venekor wrote: Use it before someone engages you. Everything else puts you in combat, so should evac. QFE __________________

09-02-2008, 03:25 PM	#4
Bozidar Loremaster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,292	evac is fine.

09-02-2008, 03:31 PM	#6
Zexybeast Server: Venekor Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 90	Could just take evac out, I'd be satisfied... Except I do like traveling faster through the zone...

09-02-2008, 04:33 PM	#8
Bozidar Loremaster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,292	healers' aoe deaggro, track, sprint, jumping, crouching, walking, activating posts/clouds/griffs, and a host of other things (crafting something) do not put you into pvp combat. (opening a druid portal, for another example) evac's fine.

09-02-2008, 05:08 PM	#9
Gimet Server: Vox Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 552	Evac is not fine. It's hard to interrupt, cast on the run, and can be used even while track is up. 1) Lose the ability to use it after you've been hit. You have Track, use it. Scouts preach to everyone else, stay on your toes...don't let me get the jump. YOu guys should do the same. 2) Lose the ability to cast on the run and it being un-interruptible. Keep the use after being hit, but you can't jump around people while they are hitting you hoping to get away at the last second for some fun. One or the other, THEN it is fine.

09-02-2008, 05:16 PM	#10
Bloodfa Server: Nagafen General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,873	Gimet@Vox wrote: Evac is not fine. It's hard to interrupt, cast on the run, and can be used even while track is up. 1) Lose the ability to use it after you've been hit. You have Track, use it. Scouts preach to everyone else, stay on your toes...don't let me get the jump. YOu guys should do the same. 2) Lose the ability to cast on the run and it being un-interruptible. Keep the use after being hit, but you can't jump around people while they are hitting you hoping to get away at the last second for some fun. One or the other, THEN it is fine. Regarding point 1) conversely, one could argue the same about Manashield greying out if you get hit before you pop it. I mean, Snow Filled Steps, totems and such, casters should stay on their toes because after all, you can see us coming. Either way ... On point 2) /agree and even posted it before you. __________________

09-02-2008, 05:38 PM	#11
Wytie Mouse Betrayer! Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,579	Bozidar wrote: healers' aoe deaggro, track, sprint, jumping, crouching, walking, activating posts/clouds/griffs, and a host of other things (crafting something) do not put you into pvp combat. (opening a druid portal, for another example) evac's fine. All those things you listed should put you into pvp combat also and should be fixed. If you are being hit, and do anything other than push a directional key, you should be put into combat but thats just my opinion __________________

09-02-2008, 06:12 PM	#12
Warr Server: Venekor Guild: Veritas Aequitas Rank: Leader General Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 224	Pail, you sadist..

09-02-2008, 06:15 PM	#13
Wytie Mouse Betrayer! Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,579	Warren@Venekor wrote: Pail, you sadist.. ROFLZ Well I do have a toon named "Humiliation" so I guess so lol __________________

09-02-2008, 07:18 PM	#14
KannaWhoopass Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 399	well I have died opening a portal ... and im sure may others have also The way i figgure it ... it has such an outrageous cast time the whatever proc heal ... or whatever gear goes off and wham combat I think it was my godkig buckler ... but .. evac is ok .. i suppose.. most people lead with a stiffle or mez now .. on my warden ..i can never evac .. so i dont even try ..

09-02-2008, 08:18 PM	#15
Sorffats Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 377	I get ticked off when my scout update evacs, yeah; however, I don't think it should be removed. Nor do I think it should put you in combat, there are some ligit reasons to evac (like if you are fighting mobs, and a group comes up on you and tries to gank you; evac is a viable and ligitimate tool to use). However, I do believe that scout evac should be interuptable and unable to be used on the run.

09-03-2008, 11:10 AM	#16
Buttcliffe Loremaster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 704	Bloodfang@Nagafen wrote: Evac is fine as it is, with one exception. Scout evac should be the same as the Warden and Wizzy ones; more easily interruptable and stationary. Making evac throw you into combat automatically kind of negates evac. this

09-03-2008, 11:18 AM	#17
Rattfa Server: Nagafen Guild: Purity Rank: Friends And Family General Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: England Posts: 1,083	Fix evac? It's not broken, it's working as intended.It should be changed though for PvP.1. Longer recast (say 30 mins)2. Easier to interrupt3. No perma immune after evacStill an 'oh crap' get out of jail card for your group, but harder to use as a fame hugging tool __________________ Squeeeek, 80 Brigand - Nagafen Rattface, 80 Fury - Nagafen

09-03-2008, 12:08 PM	#18
Kurindor_Mythecnea Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,072	Rattface@Nagafen wrote: Fix evac? It's not broken, it's working as intended.It should be changed though for PvP.1. Longer recast (say 30 mins)2. Easier to interrupt3. No perma immune after evacStill an 'oh crap' get out of jail card for your group, but harder to use as a fame hugging tool This underlies the significant sentiments of those who have considered evacuation throughout all the days, weeks, and months of EQ2 PvP, a stance I vehemently support and wherein I attribute accolades for yet another being able to acknowledge apt assessement. __________________ \|-\| EverQuest Next Principles to Abide by (30) \|-\| True Ks: 40.2K Ds: 3.6K Ratio:11:1 \|-\| \|-\| PvP Briefing 101 (Outdated) \|-\| 45 Points of Awesome-o for PvP! \|-\|

09-03-2008, 12:09 PM	#19
Snoopdevious Server: Nagafen Guild: Decay Rank: Active Member (70%-100%) Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 30	I also think that the evac necklaces should be fixed to do the same as evac. The way it is now, it takes longer to cast, can't cast on the run, and gets interrupted very easily. I know it really isn't an evac, but a port home, but it has to be bought. Why cant it have all of the same oportunities that evac gives. Just a little something more for our 12g and 100k status.

09-04-2008, 04:31 PM	#20
Shadow_Viper Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 438	Bozidar wrote: evac is fine. Indeed, people need to stop asking SOE to maker the game easier for them just because they're having difficulty with a certain ability, class, item, etc. For those individuals that think the answer is nerfing things when they run into the least little bit of challenge, I highly suggest reading the first post in the Welcome to the Jungle thread. It is a great source of information and advice, a must read for each and every PVPer.

09-04-2008, 04:34 PM	#21
Paikis Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,254	Shadow_Viper wrote: Bozidar wrote: evac is fine. Indeed, people need to stop asking SOE to maker the game easier for them just because they're having difficulty with a certain ability, class, item, etc. For those individuals that think the answer is nerfing things when they run into the least little bit of challenge, I highly suggest reading the first post in the Welcome to the Jungle thread. It is a great source of information and advice, a must read for each and every PVPer. Do you have a macro to post this garbage into every thread you read? It's almost word-for-word identical to about half of your total posts. __________________ Kaelas, Necromancer Valindor, Templar Paikis, Troubador Ashk, Berserker Mirbolt, Shadowknight

09-04-2008, 04:42 PM	#22
Shadow_Viper Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 438	Paikis wrote: Shadow_Viper wrote: Bozidar wrote: evac is fine. Indeed, people need to stop asking SOE to maker the game easier for them just because they're having difficulty with a certain ability, class, item, etc. For those individuals that think the answer is nerfing things when they run into the least little bit of challenge, I highly suggest reading the first post in the Welcome to the Jungle thread. It is a great source of information and advice, a must read for each and every PVPer. Do you have a macro to post this garbage into every thread you read? It's almost word-for-word identical to about half of your total posts. Nope. I simply post my opinions and helpful suggestions.

09-05-2008, 12:36 PM	#23
Arcanias Server: Venekor Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 87	Shadow_Viper wrote: Bozidar wrote: evac is fine. Indeed, people need to stop asking SOE to maker the game easier for them just because they're having difficulty with a certain ability, class, item, etc. For those individuals that think the answer is nerfing things when they run into the least little bit of challenge, I highly suggest reading the first post in the Welcome to the Jungle thread. It is a great source of information and advice, a must read for each and every PVPer. Make the game easier? I'm asking to fix a broken game mechanic that will result in more pvp encounters for myself and more deaths to my enemies. I'm not asking to remove evac, but it should put you in combat if you have been engaged just like everything else. __________________

09-05-2008, 12:42 PM	#24
Cigam Server: Venekor Guild: Eyes Of Darkness Rank: Officer Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Virginia Beach VA Posts: 285	In the first post he said evac should cause a player to go into combat after being attacked. It should be that way kinda like MANASHIELD puts you into combat when used after being hit by another player..... __________________

09-07-2008, 12:02 PM	#25
Dh Server: Nagafen Guild: Champions of Sebilis Rank: Member General Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 609	Scout evac should work just as wizard and warden evacs. Must stand still for the cast and will not finish casting while stunned/stifled. Sorcerer Translocate spells which are 10second cast should not put u in pvp combat if you are hit by PVP before they finish casting.

09-07-2008, 12:36 PM	#26
Spyderbite Server: Venekor Guild: Dark Vengeance Rank: Member Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Connecticut Posts: 4,262	Eragahn@Nagafen wrote: However, I do believe that scout evac should be interuptable and unable to be used on the run. With three scouts of my own, I'd be fine with the above since I use it as intended. I hit evac when I see a group roll in to the zone on my tracking and I'm the only obvious target in the area. It also serves as a rather convenient taxi ride across a zone without the damage to armor due to drowning or jumping.

09-07-2008, 09:51 PM	#27
Kram337 Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: 123 Fake ST SE, Freeport, Norath 90210 Posts: 499	I would totally agree if I didn't just roll up a new scout In honesty, scouts already have enough other advantages in pvp to not really need evac. But looking at this from a group perspective I think evac should probably stay as is. Since any decent group should have at least 1 scout. Theres been times while i was grouped with a scout that we'd happen into a x4 and I sure was happy we could evac. That's not pvp that's slaughter!

09-08-2008, 01:10 AM	#28
Geinoch Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 188	I would say Evac is almost fine. I have a scout and I would only give a longer recast time (30 min - 1 hour). I'm getting chased by a guy and I manage to evac. I wait 15 min in immunity (go to bathroom, take a drink) and move again. So, If a scout is chilling a bit he is understructible :/ and is getting his title with so much ease. 3 hours of play mean 12 Evacs. 12 fights in 3 hours is probably as much as we can wish in a pvp server. (sorry for my english) __________________ The wind of Hope has closed its eyes for the last time... Genocid Deadwind, Harvester of despair.

09-08-2008, 01:16 AM	#29
Mary the Prophetess Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,472	I can't really speak to the Evac abuses I read that are posted here. I play solo. In Kunark, without Evac, I am just some Exile groups' latest kill. Take away Evac, and you destroy solo play for others who play as I do. It is a survival tool for me, and because I play solo, it is the primary reason I chose to play a scout class in the first place. My 2cp.

09-08-2008, 01:40 AM	#30
Spyderbite Server: Venekor Guild: Dark Vengeance Rank: Member Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Connecticut Posts: 4,262	Mary the Prophetess wrote: Take away Evac, and you destroy solo play for others who play as I do. It is a survival tool for me, and because I play solo, it is the primary reason I chose to play a scout class in the first place. Well said.While it might be abused in groups... it is a requirement for the solo scout. If they removed evac from any scout participating in a group (read.. ganks rolling solos) then these threads would triple. Remove the ability to evac completely and these threads would disappear and group's (read.. ganks rolling solos) titles would shoot straight to Destroyer.