The Tempest repeatable quest- Migraine inducing

[Foofybun]

Hi, I love the live events but after only 2-3 goes through the new tempest repeatable quest series I have migraines and I feel like I want to throw up. Ive been playing this game since Jan of 2005 and I never experienced this kind of quesiness. Im hoping if this quest is around for a bit more or if any devs plan on utilizing this kind of thing in the future they can rethink using sonic vision as a main part of the quest. I understand that we need to see the "tempest touched" mobs with some kind of help but changing our screens with a bright yellow washout puts a huge strain on the eyes, basically making anyone who seriously would want all the items offered with the notes pretty much rendered incapable of continuing. I feel like its somehow a cruel and unusual punishment, probably fitting with the story arc, but please fix this.  I only noticed on the last tempest touched mob when we use the cure for the good side that u get a pretty particle effect, which is totally lost in sonicvision. Not to mention that while theres ways around not fighting the mob that pops out to get you, I would have appreciated being able to keep my helm on in case I wanted to fight these things, which can beat ya down quick if you arent properly equipped. Not being able to wear our helms for fights aside, using the goggles in our helm slot would be fine without any other effects besides seeing the tempest touched mobs.  Please just make it a "use"able item, or a clicky. Id like to finish collecting notes for items but the migraine is killing me. ><

[Nimeesha]

I hear ya.  I did the quest 24 times yesterday and 18 times today. (Yes, they were productive days off work )  But no headaches..  I must be invincible!!! or a looney.   But I got it down to 12 mins from quest give to turn in.  20 more times till I got everything I want.  Then theres my 7 alts... That part gives me the headache.

[Ozymundas]

The effect hasn't caused me any discomfort, but it does make it harder to see other players.  I accidentally ran up on a storm that a lower level player was working on.  I arrived just as he cured a beast and of course, the void creature that spawned was my level (80) instead of his (30-something).  He died.

[Foofybun]

Thats the other thing, I have had higher lvl peeps cruise through and spawn the pop at their lvl, luckily I either can yell pretty loud or the higher up aggros the mob. Ive died more being in the groop with a higher up doing tempest quests than doing it solo, hehe. Still would bite the dust gladly than take any more sonicvision.  After my third run I  end up with a migraine and my eyes like this O.O, you guys are lucky to not get the belly aches like my friends and I.

[Laiina]

Ozymundas wrote:

The effect hasn't caused me any discomfort, but it does make it harder to see other players.  I accidentally ran up on a storm that a lower level player was working on.  I arrived just as he cured a beast and of course, the void creature that spawned was my level (80) instead of his (30-something).  He died.

I think that was one of my alts

The beasts seem to spawn at the level of the person nearest to the storm, regardless of the level of the char doing the curing.

[valkry]

I don't know if you played with the display and/or monitor settings, but that might help the sonic-vision induced migraines. I know when I get migraine-like headaches, I become very photopoblic (light hurts).

My headaches are sinus triggered, so I might be able to stop them by slamming the tylenol/sudifed/cola cocktail. As I to distract myself while I wait for the meds to kick in, I will play EQ on a very very very dark screen in a dark room. I don't know if a yellowish grey would be any better then "limon-vision," but it might be worth a try untill SoE can work a fix for this.

There is no reason a video game should make a person sick in RL.

[Seidhkona]

Try messing with the Gamma settings to add more blue to counteract the yellow.

[GlitterPaws]

Good Advice about Gamma Correction. Regarding migraines:I manage my own migraines. I don't expect anyone else to manage them for me. I adjust gamma quite often if I sense a migraine coming on. If my sensitivity is too much then I quit the game and lay down with damp cloths over my eyes till the spots disappear.This can happen at any time and any place. I have adjustable blinds in my office and at home as any light can affect me.  Fluorescent lights are hell when my migraine radar is high.Many special effects in movies will bring on migaines. I've learned to close my eyes and use my imagination for the action when watching many films.So far the special vision goggles have NOTbrought on a migraine.  Not even a hint of a migraine.  Perhaps it is because I am used to making adjustments for myself and knowing my limitations.I recommend working with the color correction suggestions and also remembering that this event will be around for a few weeks.  It really isn't necessary, IMNSHO, to get a headache just for a guild first or a home decorating contest .GlitterPaws

[Avanya]

I find the vision thing bothers me also so here is what I did...

1) hokey both the goggles and your helm

2) click goggles on...target mob and cure

3) click on your helm while waiting for the mob to spawn and fight mob without goggles

rinse and repeat

Hope this helps, it helps me and is not as complicated as it seems

[Kitsune]

Odd but I have just finished my first 9 void beasts for the original quest and yes, I am starting a migraine too. The only visual things that normally trigger them are the strobe effect at rock concerts - they may not use the epileptic range but the one they chose IS the migraine range, and yes, the two diseases are similar - and similar flashing lights like sunlight through trees when driving.Not everyone can control migraines - I wake with mine 99.9% of the time, no warning, nothing, just wake up and BAM. Have to admit this is a first for me.

[GlitterPaws]

I like the hot key idea and will build them for the event....just in case.Just realized that I sailed offshore for six years, with migraines, and when working with God's own glare off the ocean one gets a whole new perspective on taking responsibility for one's own limitations, especially coming into a new anchorage.  Could be I just get my old sailor eyes on to avoid the glare. Oh god, is there a pun in that??Kitsune, if you are waking up with migraines I'd recommend checking out a naturopathic doctor or an acupuncturist. Waking up with a migraine is NOT the norm. You're on the West Coast and there are scads of great complimentary and alternative medicine approaches to help your migraines out there.  If it is only the morning after the strobe light concerts you may be okay...I'd still check out a good ND ))

[Kitsune]

Hi Glitterpaws. I've had migraines since I was ... um 23 and am now 57, and they tell me that yes, this is a classic type. Mine are not triggered by food - except most inexpensive wines -- (mmm Moet et Chandon I love and it loves me but who can afford it often?) but is the classic Relaxation after Stress ie Weekend kind. I recently went through a system change when I immigrated here in 04 and was clustering 3 at a time for a year. If I woke with one, I had 3 days of em. I had acupuncture for 6 months when I was mid 30s in UK and my son was young cos not easy to look after a toddler with a migraine. Nada. They managed to catch me with one threatening which was rare and their preventative did stave it off for the day but the next day was back to the agony of photosensitive and motion sensitive so I gave up on them. They were an Eastern firm. (Mine evolved past the photo and motion sensitive kind to a lesser one thankfully)I had herbal remedies from a herbalist friend - nada.The Doc I had here sent me to neurologist cos she wanted me down to 1 per year, (bright young thing trying me on preventatives she wouldn't believe GAVE me more migraines! I changed her quick to an older doc who listens) and neurologist said it wasn't going to happen.When the new doc took me off all the crap I hadn't stopped taking myself, I settled back down to one every 6 or so weeks, like I have one today after doing 2 lots of the Tempest last night.A few years back I had flashing images like stills on paper that you flick and they seem to move - one of the precursors to developing the moving picture shows in the Victorian times? I had to be put on valium, during an attack because it got so bad and freaked me out cos I couldn't control it! I did demand to get checked by a neurologist for any brain tumors or anything like that, (I was in UK on free health care and you have to demand specialists) and I have nothing else causing the migraines he said.My whole body does the 7 or 14 year complete change and migraines change then too. Now they make me sick so I need metaclopramide, I can't lie down and am better sitting doing this, my depth of vision goes so forget a car or even walking out of the house cos I don't see the sidewalk till I am in the road, and I forget things like to turn rings on stove off.. Not fun. Oh and thought loops, like I am a computer stuck in a mental loop and can't get out of it till I realize it. That's when I finally realize I am awake with a migraine. I keep up on the American Migraine Society, but if you have any other suggestions, be glad to hear em. They may say stress doesn't cause em but sure feels like it to me, and yes, I am stressed out as hell in my life right now with hours cut and rent gone up and trying to get a job in  San Diego to live with a friend cos it will cost less than living alone up here, and I am cooking in the truck cos I can't afford to fix the AC. And I'll be near my son and his new wife. So suggestions are seriously welcome that don't involve money I haven't remotely got.

[Celline-Layonaire]

Foofybunny wrote:

Hi, I love the live events but after only 2-3 goes through the new tempest repeatable quest series I have migraines and I feel like I want to throw up. Ive been playing this game since Jan of 2005 and I never experienced this kind of quesiness. Im hoping if this quest is around for a bit more or if any devs plan on utilizing this kind of thing in the future they can rethink using sonic vision as a main part of the quest. I understand that we need to see the "tempest touched" mobs with some kind of help but changing our screens with a bright yellow washout puts a huge strain on the eyes, basically making anyone who seriously would want all the items offered with the notes pretty much rendered incapable of continuing. I feel like its somehow a cruel and unusual punishment, probably fitting with the story arc, but please fix this.  I only noticed on the last tempest touched mob when we use the cure for the good side that u get a pretty particle effect, which is totally lost in sonicvision. Not to mention that while theres ways around not fighting the mob that pops out to get you, I would have appreciated being able to keep my helm on in case I wanted to fight these things, which can beat ya down quick if you arent properly equipped. Not being able to wear our helms for fights aside, using the goggles in our helm slot would be fine without any other effects besides seeing the tempest touched mobs.  Please just make it a "use"able item, or a clicky. Id like to finish collecting notes for items but the migraine is killing me. ><

I think I'm a very weird person. I did this [the Void storm continues] quest over 15 times last night and it was fun. I'm now doing this quest but it is still fun lol.... 

[valkry]

Kitsune, Mine aren't 'true migraines,' they feel the same (God, just please let me die), but the brain pattern isn't quite the same (no auras). I get sinus (or stress) headaches that trigger over into the photopobic, nausious headaches. Use to have to tylenol 3 (codiene) them & pass out.

A couple years ago I started using peppermint essential oil & I'm off the codiene. You need to get a GOOD QUALITY (read medical grade, if the company won't tell you it is safe to take INTERALLY, it has probably been aldulterated with chemicals and will NOT work).* Pour a couple drops in the palm of your hands, rub then together, then place your cupped hands over your mouth and nose (like a mask) and inhale through your nose. Do this carefully at first, the oil is strong and will definately clear sinuses. I take about 3-5 full breathes, which usually faintly dulles the pain, then I wipe the residue oil from one hand along the back of my neck (were the tightened nerves and bloodvessels to the brain are), and I wipe the other hand over my forehead. The oil will help hyper-oxygenate the blood, which can help with the pain, and also the cooling tingle of the mint can help numb the pain too.

*Mainland European practioners are more likely to recommend taking certain essentail oils internally. British/American trained practioners are more likely to assert that oils should NEVER be taken internally. You can do more research on this topic (as it is much debated on the internet), but the main reason I mention taking them interally vs external use only is a simple way to separate medical from 'fragrance-grade' oils. You will get almost no effect from a fragrance oil and could actually cause more harm. (If you have a head-ache, do you take a tylenol, or do you spray on perfume?)

[Zehl_Ice-Fire]

Repeatable quest are never fun. Repeatable quest with pee vision are super duper not fun.

[NightGod473]

Kitsune-while it's not a free option, if you get to a doctor, talk to them about a migraine drug called MaxALT-MLT. When I used to suffer migraines, it would kill them within 30-45 minutes, with almost zero side effects (minimal enough that I could then drive an hour to work and finish out the day without problem). It was such a wonder drug for me that, upon learning that a friend who worked at a medical clinic had a visit from the drug reps for it, I was mad at her for not calling me up so I could come hug them.Yes, seriously. Hug them.

[Zehl_Ice-Fire]

I praise SoE when it's called for and here I have to give a huge unpraise to whoever designed the pee vision for 10 hours quest. I say 10 hours because I've done it about 20 or 25 times now and it has taken me over 6 hours (with some afks). I'm being generous with the 10 hours, it will probably be longer. Not exagerating, to get every item I want on one character I have to get about 90 notes. I want the items, and I get to to lose my eyesight doing it. Do we get a free eye doctor visit with our legacy account?I'm begging you dump the pee vision AND let us get 3 notes per run. The pee vision was a horrible idea and it is painful.ANYONE who wants ANY of the items will need an average of 20 to 40 times, and that is the people who don't want everything like I do or those who can't tolerate it more than 5 times.EDIT:I forgot to mention that the entire time I've been chaining this quest since I got home from work 6 hours ago, I have been doing it in the fastest possible zone to get to, and using evacs and calls set to the library to make it faster when the are up, and I have not had anyone else fighting me for the mobs the entire time.

[Kitsune]

valkry wrote:

Kitsune, Mine aren't 'true migraines,' they feel the same (God, just please let me die), but the brain pattern isn't quite the same (no auras). I get sinus (or stress) headaches that trigger over into the photopobic, nausious headaches. Use to have to tylenol 3 (codiene) them & pass out.

A couple years ago I started using peppermint essential oil & I'm off the codiene. You need to get a GOOD QUALITY (read medical grade, if the company won't tell you it is safe to take INTERALLY, it has probably been aldulterated with chemicals and will NOT work).* Pour a couple drops in the palm of your hands, rub then together, then place your cupped hands over your mouth and nose (like a mask) and inhale through your nose. Do this carefully at first, the oil is strong and will definately clear sinuses. I take about 3-5 full breathes, which usually faintly dulles the pain, then I wipe the residue oil from one hand along the back of my neck (were the tightened nerves and bloodvessels to the brain are), and I wipe the other hand over my forehead. The oil will help hyper-oxygenate the blood, which can help with the pain, and also the cooling tingle of the mint can help numb the pain too.

*Mainland European practioners are more likely to recommend taking certain essentail oils internally. British/American trained practioners are more likely to assert that oils should NEVER be taken internally. You can do more research on this topic (as it is much debated on the internet), but the main reason I mention taking them interally vs external use only is a simple way to separate medical from 'fragrance-grade' oils. You will get almost no effect from a fragrance oil and could actually cause more harm. (If you have a head-ache, do you take a tylenol, or do you spray on perfume?)

Apologies for the delay in replying. Thank you for the advice but I really have tried everything, including that. A friend found a place in Medford Oregon that makes a grand oil in a jar for migraine sufferers and though it doesn't help the blood vessel expansion, it does help clear the blocked sinuses at the time. I find the sinus wash just too painful to use, especially when I need to use it! The only things that work at all for migraines for me are Imitrex migraine pill, and metaclopromide for the nausea, and sitting up doing something gentle like city building games. " /> Once the pain stops, then maybe I can go sleep for a couple hours, but lying down makes it worse, and also increases the likelihood of getting into a mental loop that scares me - kinda like you mentally count seconds then find you can't stop, to explain it at its simplest.

[Kitsune]

NightGod473 wrote:

Kitsune-while it's not a free option, if you get to a doctor, talk to them about a migraine drug called MaxALT-MLT. When I used to suffer migraines, it would kill them within 30-45 minutes, with almost zero side effects (minimal enough that I could then drive an hour to work and finish out the day without problem). It was such a wonder drug for me that, upon learning that a friend who worked at a medical clinic had a visit from the drug reps for it, I was mad at her for not calling me up so I could come hug them.Yes, seriously. Hug them.

Oh I can totally understand that. " /> I was on a Migril routine till they came out and trust me, that is the pits. It is Ergotamine based, made from the mold found on grain, yes, the kind that made the villagers of Hamlin in Germany have to invent the Pied Piper legend to explain them hallucinating their heads off and likely slaughtering their poor children while out of their skulls on the stuff. " />I had a wonderful doc then who impressed on me the dangers of Migril. "If you feel tingling in tors and fingers go immediately to an ER and tell them because Migraine sufferers have LOST toes and finger due to blood supply being cut off to their extremities. You can take 6 pills in 7 days cos they don't excrete from your system till then..." I was needing on average 1.5 pills per attack and sometimes got to 6 while a cluster of consecutive days of attacks was still in full flood within the 6 day period! He effectively scared the wotzits out of me. I did take Maxalt Melts but I hate peppermint with a passion and had to gulp coffee when I put it on my tongue to try and avoid the taste which made me want to barf. " /> I could actually take the Maxalt pills with the same efficiency - acted just as quickly as the melts with no taste.  So I was glad when Imitrex came along since I was told when I got here that "We don't like using Maxalt pills, we prefer Imitrex..." Crazy American Docs. Thank you all for the suggestions, they are much appreciated.

[NightGod473]

Kitsune wrote:

NightGod473 wrote:

Kitsune-while it's not a free option, if you get to a doctor, talk to them about a migraine drug called MaxALT-MLT. When I used to suffer migraines, it would kill them within 30-45 minutes, with almost zero side effects (minimal enough that I could then drive an hour to work and finish out the day without problem). It was such a wonder drug for me that, upon learning that a friend who worked at a medical clinic had a visit from the drug reps for it, I was mad at her for not calling me up so I could come hug them.Yes, seriously. Hug them.

Oh I can totally understand that. " /> I was on a Migril routine till they came out and trust me, that is the pits. It is Ergotamine based, made from the mold found on grain, yes, the kind that made the villagers of Hamlin in Germany have to invent the Pied Piper legend to explain them hallucinating their heads off and likely slaughtering their poor children while out of their skulls on the stuff. " />I had a wonderful doc then who impressed on me the dangers of Migril. "If you feel tingling in tors and fingers go immediately to an ER and tell them because Migraine sufferers have LOST toes and finger due to blood supply being cut off to their extremities. You can take 6 pills in 7 days cos they don't excrete from your system till then..." I was needing on average 1.5 pills per attack and sometimes got to 6 while a cluster of consecutive days of attacks was still in full flood within the 6 day period! He effectively scared the wotzits out of me. I did take Maxalt Melts but I hate peppermint with a passion and had to gulp coffee when I put it on my tongue to try and avoid the taste which made me want to barf. " /> I could actually take the Maxalt pills with the same efficiency - acted just as quickly as the melts with no taste.  So I was glad when Imitrex came along since I was told when I got here that "We don't like using Maxalt pills, we prefer Imitrex..." Crazy American Docs. Thank you all for the suggestions, they are much appreciated.

Funnily enough, my doctor told me he prefers the MaxALT over Imitrex because of the chain of side effects and hours of useless-drugged-out-of-ones-mind that Imitrex results in for most people. I've heard the regular Maxalt pills are only slightly slower than the MLTs (mostly I think it depends on whether or not you have anything in your stomach when you take it-which we both know is usually a no when a migraine threatens, since the last thing you want to do is eat), nice to hear a direct confirmation of it, though.I've actually mostly avoided migraines over the past 8 years or so, I maybe get one every two years now. A combination of stress removal (leaving a high-stress job, getting divorced (which is less stress in the long run, lol), as well as some treatment for neck nerve/muscle issues as well as identifying and avoiding a major trigger (strong floral scents, of all things, except for lavender-it doesn't make sense to me, either-it makes candle shopping interesting at times, though, I usually have my daughter or female friend pre-smell questionable ones, also, I can only use a few types of dryer sheets-that was what was causing a lot of my problems way back when, actually-Unscented or Gain Original are the only ones I can use, ditto on my detergent) and I only rarely have problems these days. Hope you find the right combination of things to give you relief. The difference between in quality of life with weekly (or more) migraines and life with bi-annual ones is hard to understand until you find the balance that gets you there.

[Kitsune]

NightGod473 wrote:

Kitsune wrote:

NightGod473 wrote:

Kitsune-while it's not a free option, if you get to a doctor, talk to them about a migraine drug called MaxALT-MLT. When I used to suffer migraines, it would kill them within 30-45 minutes, with almost zero side effects (minimal enough that I could then drive an hour to work and finish out the day without problem). It was such a wonder drug for me that, upon learning that a friend who worked at a medical clinic had a visit from the drug reps for it, I was mad at her for not calling me up so I could come hug them.Yes, seriously. Hug them.

Oh I can totally understand that. " /> I was on a Migril routine till they came out and trust me, that is the pits. It is Ergotamine based, made from the mold found on grain, yes, the kind that made the villagers of Hamlin in Germany have to invent the Pied Piper legend to explain them hallucinating their heads off and likely slaughtering their poor children while out of their skulls on the stuff. " />I had a wonderful doc then who impressed on me the dangers of Migril. "If you feel tingling in tors and fingers go immediately to an ER and tell them because Migraine sufferers have LOST toes and finger due to blood supply being cut off to their extremities. You can take 6 pills in 7 days cos they don't excrete from your system till then..." I was needing on average 1.5 pills per attack and sometimes got to 6 while a cluster of consecutive days of attacks was still in full flood within the 6 day period! He effectively scared the wotzits out of me. I did take Maxalt Melts but I hate peppermint with a passion and had to gulp coffee when I put it on my tongue to try and avoid the taste which made me want to barf. " /> I could actually take the Maxalt pills with the same efficiency - acted just as quickly as the melts with no taste.  So I was glad when Imitrex came along since I was told when I got here that "We don't like using Maxalt pills, we prefer Imitrex..." Crazy American Docs. Thank you all for the suggestions, they are much appreciated.

Funnily enough, my doctor told me he prefers the MaxALT over Imitrex because of the chain of side effects and hours of useless-drugged-out-of-ones-mind that Imitrex results in for most people. I've heard the regular Maxalt pills are only slightly slower than the MLTs (mostly I think it depends on whether or not you have anything in your stomach when you take it-which we both know is usually a no when a migraine threatens, since the last thing you want to do is eat), nice to hear a direct confirmation of it, though.I've actually mostly avoided migraines over the past 8 years or so, I maybe get one every two years now. A combination of stress removal (leaving a high-stress job, getting divorced (which is less stress in the long run, lol), as well as some treatment for neck nerve/muscle issues as well as identifying and avoiding a major trigger (strong floral scents, of all things, except for lavender-it doesn't make sense to me, either-it makes candle shopping interesting at times, though, I usually have my daughter or female friend pre-smell questionable ones, also, I can only use a few types of dryer sheets-that was what was causing a lot of my problems way back when, actually-Unscented or Gain Original are the only ones I can use, ditto on my detergent) and I only rarely have problems these days. Hope you find the right combination of things to give you relief. The difference between in quality of life with weekly (or more) migraines and life with bi-annual ones is hard to understand until you find the balance that gets you there.

I did prefer the Maxalt pills, but to be absolutely honest, the drugged out of the mind effect is not normally the pills, it is directly attributable, at least in my case, the the migraine. I have had over 5 different incarnations of migraines over the years, but until the new recent ones, I had the following effects on the same pills - I lost all depth of vision - I could not judge distances at all, so forget driving. I was mentally confused and would forget i had a stove ring on etc. I went down a LOT in IQ and had difficulty finding the right words (I am a professional fiction writer!) and I had difficulty talking at any speed but almost dead slow and stop. I was giggly and silly, like a kid. And ALL of it was the migraine. Now I get very few of those effects at all, and I am still on Imitrex.Perfumes with a powdery under-scent set off my allergic responses big time. They also make me want to sneeze violently I hate perfumed stores for that reason. Thankfully there are not too many of those scents about.Lavender is an essential oil that acts on headaches and soothes them, good for migraines too. That's prolly why you aren't affected by it.Scent is one of the first and major senses we have and the brain ties memories to scents more than any other sense we have. Thus they do act on us in a major way which is why aromatherapy works so well. Glade used to have a series of True aromatherapy candles out and when my son was 17 and full of angst I would light a soothing one and in 20 minutes he was chilled out, and so was I.  Magic. But this is why you are so adversely affected by scents.My balance is having 1 or 2 a month! For years I have lived unable to be sure the weekend won't be spoiled by a migraine, and that a drive won't result in too much sensory overload and be followed by a migraine, cos that does it occasionally for me. I would love to have fewer ones! I was told I would grow out of them and remember asking at 30 odd how much MORE I had to grow, to grow out of them!  Glad to hear you are so much better, though.

[thepriz]

I just want to say that I am sorry for those that suffer with migraines. My daughter and wife have them occationally and they have tried all the available prescription medications available with no avail. I however wish to impress the fact that I am really impressed with the quest and thank the devs for the original thought that went in to using one of the racial visions to solve a quest. I think more quests need to be inventive like this. And as one poster puts it if pee vision bothers you put the glasses on and then take them off after you have cured the mob.

[Kitsune]

That does help. " /> And so sorry o hear your wife n daughter have had no help form the meds they've tried.