Master P in Shard of Hate and Update Notes

SilkenKidden · 06-05-2008, 12:05 PM

The update notes state the following:

Several raid npcs in shard of hate will now give guild status when defeated. Master P'Tasa will no longer get confused by pet pulls.
Master P'Tasa in the Shard of Hate will only consider fighters who have their auto attack on, those who are inactive are no longer counted as fighters during the fight.

What does this mean? Does this effect mages and priests who usually don't have auto attack on? Does this mean you will not get quest update, experience, or AA unless you have auto attack on?

simpwrx02 · 06-05-2008, 12:32 PM

It has to do with triggering his AE curse.

RanmaBoyType · 06-05-2008, 01:26 PM

simpwrx02 wrote:

It has to do with triggering his AE curse.

which i believe is still buggy as [Removed for Content].

Yimway · 06-05-2008, 04:20 PM

It is not bugged, however, I think it is poorly designed.Any mob script that doesn't allow for a 2s reaction time is going to be an issue. Latency + Lag, there has to be time to adjust.When we fail to the curse, its cause one of the fighters is laggy, or it pinged to our pally on satellite. Sucks, but we have to kick fighters with lag / latency issues out of the raid for this fight.

Margen · 06-05-2008, 07:10 PM

My question is why even design a mob that make it detremental to have the arch type that has the most difficulty getting in raids now. Its hard enough for fighters to get in to raids past the MT/OT role, and they make a mob where you greatly deminish their desirability. Wonder how the community would react if they had a raid mob that would go nuts if a scout or mage was in the raid and did what would usually be their main function.

Sorry for side rant, just proves Sony must of gotten their lunch money stolen from a fighter.

Kyrsten · 06-06-2008, 01:53 AM

Blackoath@Kithicor wrote:

My question is why even design a mob that make it detremental to have the arch type that has the most difficulty getting in raids now. Its hard enough for fighters to get in to raids past the MT/OT role, and they make a mob where you greatly deminish their desirability. Wonder how the community would react if they had a raid mob that would go nuts if a scout or mage was in the raid and did what would usually be their main function.
Sorry for side rant, just proves Sony must of gotten their lunch money stolen from a fighter.

All your post proves is that you have no idea how the encounter works. Master P'Tasa is not bugged, he works just fine.

Davngr1 · 06-06-2008, 02:00 AM

Kyrsten wrote:

Blackoath@Kithicor wrote:
My question is why even design a mob that make it detremental to have the arch type that has the most difficulty getting in raids now. Its hard enough for fighters to get in to raids past the MT/OT role, and they make a mob where you greatly deminish their desirability. Wonder how the community would react if they had a raid mob that would go nuts if a scout or mage was in the raid and did what would usually be their main function.
Sorry for side rant, just proves Sony must of gotten their lunch money stolen from a fighter.
All your post proves is that you have no idea how the encounter works. Master P'Tasa is not bugged, he works just fine.

yea, this last update actualy made it so you HAVE to have a fighter in the raid.

Banditman · 06-06-2008, 10:34 AM

And if you are rolling with only two fighters in your raids, you can pretty much kiss off further progression in Shard of Hate if you do manage to kill P'Tasa, because the next named in there will make you cry unless you have at least three.One thing I have absolutely got to give to SOE on this expansion: They did a GREAT job of making additional Fighters USEFUL on raids. There are a lot of problems with RoK, but on this one point, I have to say I'm extremely pleased.

LygerT · 06-06-2008, 03:12 PM

Davngr1 wrote:

Kyrsten wrote:
Blackoath@Kithicor wrote:
My question is why even design a mob that make it detremental to have the arch type that has the most difficulty getting in raids now. Its hard enough for fighters to get in to raids past the MT/OT role, and they make a mob where you greatly deminish their desirability. Wonder how the community would react if they had a raid mob that would go nuts if a scout or mage was in the raid and did what would usually be their main function.
Sorry for side rant, just proves Sony must of gotten their lunch money stolen from a fighter.
All your post proves is that you have no idea how the encounter works. Master P'Tasa is not bugged, he works just fine.
yea, this last update actualy made it so you HAVE to have a fighter in the raid.

and the more the better, so long as they know how to control their aggro between tank switches.

we do it with 2 warriors, which is probably about as tricky as it gets.

Senr · 06-12-2008, 10:16 AM

Banditman wrote:

And if you are rolling with only two fighters in your raids, you can pretty much kiss off further progression in Shard of Hate if you do manage to kill P'Tasa, because the next named in there will make you cry unless you have at least three.One thing I have absolutely got to give to SOE on this expansion: They did a GREAT job of making additional Fighters USEFUL on raids. There are a lot of problems with RoK, but on this one point, I have to say I'm extremely pleased.

SoE made them required, not useful. Big difference.

Rahatmattata · 06-13-2008, 08:48 PM

Kyrsten wrote:

Master P'Tasa is not bugged, he works just fine.

Actually he can be a little buggy as I have witnessed with my own eyes. On 1 pull I have personally been tanking, seen him bounce to another player and back to me and no curse. During the same pull he even pinged between me and the other fighter, no curse. Every single other pull that has happened (whether it was a rip or memblur) we got cursed.

Drewz · 06-17-2008, 01:21 PM

I still think it's ridiculous to dramatically change the encounter after letting people kill him so many times before the encounter change. It makes getting the drops for some 10x more difficult than it was for others.

simpwrx02 · 06-17-2008, 01:30 PM

Drewzor wrote:

I still think it's ridiculous to dramatically change the encounter after letting people kill him so many times before the encounter change. It makes getting the drops for some 10x more difficult than it was for others.

You mean fixing the bug that caused the script to break when he was pet pulled. The encounter is the exact same it is now not able to be explioted with a pet pull.

if you mean a different aspect please inform us how it was changed.

Drewz · 06-19-2008, 09:20 AM

You used to be able to fight him with no fighters at all, negating the curse. Now you have to use fighters.

OpethPA · 06-19-2008, 11:42 AM

Blackoath@Kithicor wrote:

My question is why even design a mob that make it detremental to have the arch type that has the most difficulty getting in raids now. Its hard enough for fighters to get in to raids past the MT/OT role, and they make a mob where you greatly deminish their desirability. Wonder how the community would react if they had a raid mob that would go nuts if a scout or mage was in the raid and did what would usually be their main function.
Sorry for side rant, just proves Sony must of gotten their lunch money stolen from a fighter.

Have you actually done this fight? You need 2 - 4 fighters to do it though 3 is a good number that makes the fight trivial.

1. Fighter 1 engages on pull.

2. Master P loses target on Fighter 1

3. Fighter 2 takes over

4. oo look no curse

5. Repeat until loot

as opposed to

1. Fighter 1 engages on pull

2. Master P loses target on Fighter 1

3. Fighter 1 aggros Master P again

4. oh noes curse!

5. ride wipes.

6. people sad.

lstead · 06-22-2008, 05:44 PM

SoE made them required, not useful. Big difference.Particularly Mal & Ire. We did it a few times just having a crusader and bruiser alt parked at the zone, brought them in for the fight, then sent them back out. Really silly. They need to fix the classes, not just create a revolving door for alts.

Illine · 06-23-2008, 06:37 AM

Drewzor wrote:

You used to be able to fight him with no fighters at all, negating the curse. Now you have to use fighters.

yeah, that's the point !!!

as said, fighters are usually the classes left behind for raids, and in SoH you need them. see the logic behind ? SOE doesn't want to delete the fighter classes so they create encounters where you NEED them.

plus now there's some kind of strategy, I personnaly like it better now.

Killerbee3000 · 06-23-2008, 06:37 AM

Drewzor wrote:

You used to be able to fight him with no fighters at all, negating the curse. Now you have to use fighters.

exactly, you could use scouts to tank p'tasa and have the fighters sit out, the pet pull was really only a work around so the tanks woudnt get bored during the fight.

06-05-2008, 12:05 PM	#1
SilkenKidden Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,039	The update notes state the following: Several raid npcs in shard of hate will now give guild status when defeated. Master P'Tasa will no longer get confused by pet pulls. Master P'Tasa in the Shard of Hate will only consider fighters who have their auto attack on, those who are inactive are no longer counted as fighters during the fight. What does this mean? Does this effect mages and priests who usually don't have auto attack on? Does this mean you will not get quest update, experience, or AA unless you have auto attack on?

06-05-2008, 01:26 PM	#3
RanmaBoyType Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 440	simpwrx02 wrote: It has to do with triggering his AE curse. which i believe is still buggy as [Removed for Content]. __________________ Chan Clan Stats - eq2 Players

06-05-2008, 04:20 PM	#4
Yimway Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 9,707	It is not bugged, however, I think it is poorly designed.Any mob script that doesn't allow for a 2s reaction time is going to be an issue. Latency + Lag, there has to be time to adjust.When we fail to the curse, its cause one of the fighters is laggy, or it pinged to our pally on satellite. Sucks, but we have to kick fighters with lag / latency issues out of the raid for this fight. __________________

06-05-2008, 07:10 PM	#5
Margen Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 648	My question is why even design a mob that make it detremental to have the arch type that has the most difficulty getting in raids now. Its hard enough for fighters to get in to raids past the MT/OT role, and they make a mob where you greatly deminish their desirability. Wonder how the community would react if they had a raid mob that would go nuts if a scout or mage was in the raid and did what would usually be their main function. Sorry for side rant, just proves Sony must of gotten their lunch money stolen from a fighter. __________________ Blackoath Uglyone 80 Shadow Knight of Chaos Phang 80 Swashbuckler of Chaos You EVER going to fix SKs Sony?

06-06-2008, 01:53 AM	#6
Kyrsten Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 149	Blackoath@Kithicor wrote: My question is why even design a mob that make it detremental to have the arch type that has the most difficulty getting in raids now. Its hard enough for fighters to get in to raids past the MT/OT role, and they make a mob where you greatly deminish their desirability. Wonder how the community would react if they had a raid mob that would go nuts if a scout or mage was in the raid and did what would usually be their main function. Sorry for side rant, just proves Sony must of gotten their lunch money stolen from a fighter. All your post proves is that you have no idea how the encounter works. Master P'Tasa is not bugged, he works just fine.

06-05-2008, 12:32 PM	#2
simpwrx02 Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 919	It has to do with triggering his AE curse.

06-06-2008, 02:00 AM	#7
Davngr1 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,179	Kyrsten wrote: Blackoath@Kithicor wrote: My question is why even design a mob that make it detremental to have the arch type that has the most difficulty getting in raids now. Its hard enough for fighters to get in to raids past the MT/OT role, and they make a mob where you greatly deminish their desirability. Wonder how the community would react if they had a raid mob that would go nuts if a scout or mage was in the raid and did what would usually be their main function. Sorry for side rant, just proves Sony must of gotten their lunch money stolen from a fighter. All your post proves is that you have no idea how the encounter works. Master P'Tasa is not bugged, he works just fine. yea, this last update actualy made it so you HAVE to have a fighter in the raid. __________________

06-06-2008, 10:34 AM	#8
Banditman Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,459	And if you are rolling with only two fighters in your raids, you can pretty much kiss off further progression in Shard of Hate if you do manage to kill P'Tasa, because the next named in there will make you cry unless you have at least three.One thing I have absolutely got to give to SOE on this expansion: They did a GREAT job of making additional Fighters USEFUL on raids. There are a lot of problems with RoK, but on this one point, I have to say I'm extremely pleased. __________________

06-06-2008, 03:12 PM	#9
LygerT Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: las vegas, NV Posts: 2,144	Davngr1 wrote: Kyrsten wrote: Blackoath@Kithicor wrote: My question is why even design a mob that make it detremental to have the arch type that has the most difficulty getting in raids now. Its hard enough for fighters to get in to raids past the MT/OT role, and they make a mob where you greatly deminish their desirability. Wonder how the community would react if they had a raid mob that would go nuts if a scout or mage was in the raid and did what would usually be their main function. Sorry for side rant, just proves Sony must of gotten their lunch money stolen from a fighter. All your post proves is that you have no idea how the encounter works. Master P'Tasa is not bugged, he works just fine. yea, this last update actualy made it so you HAVE to have a fighter in the raid. and the more the better, so long as they know how to control their aggro between tank switches. we do it with 2 warriors, which is probably about as tricky as it gets.

06-12-2008, 10:16 AM	#10
Senr Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 57	Banditman wrote: And if you are rolling with only two fighters in your raids, you can pretty much kiss off further progression in Shard of Hate if you do manage to kill P'Tasa, because the next named in there will make you cry unless you have at least three.One thing I have absolutely got to give to SOE on this expansion: They did a GREAT job of making additional Fighters USEFUL on raids. There are a lot of problems with RoK, but on this one point, I have to say I'm extremely pleased. SoE made them required, not useful. Big difference.

06-13-2008, 08:48 PM	#11
Rahatmattata Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,232	Kyrsten wrote: Master P'Tasa is not bugged, he works just fine. Actually he can be a little buggy as I have witnessed with my own eyes. On 1 pull I have personally been tanking, seen him bounce to another player and back to me and no curse. During the same pull he even pinged between me and the other fighter, no curse. Every single other pull that has happened (whether it was a rip or memblur) we got cursed. __________________ A Cure For Cancer

06-17-2008, 01:21 PM	#12
Drewz General Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 45	I still think it's ridiculous to dramatically change the encounter after letting people kill him so many times before the encounter change. It makes getting the drops for some 10x more difficult than it was for others. __________________ Me am Bizzaro #1

06-17-2008, 01:30 PM	#13
simpwrx02 Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 919	Drewzor wrote: I still think it's ridiculous to dramatically change the encounter after letting people kill him so many times before the encounter change. It makes getting the drops for some 10x more difficult than it was for others. You mean fixing the bug that caused the script to break when he was pet pulled. The encounter is the exact same it is now not able to be explioted with a pet pull. if you mean a different aspect please inform us how it was changed.

06-19-2008, 09:20 AM	#14
Drewz General Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 45	You used to be able to fight him with no fighters at all, negating the curse. Now you have to use fighters. __________________ Me am Bizzaro #1

06-19-2008, 11:42 AM	#15
OpethPA Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 49	Blackoath@Kithicor wrote: My question is why even design a mob that make it detremental to have the arch type that has the most difficulty getting in raids now. Its hard enough for fighters to get in to raids past the MT/OT role, and they make a mob where you greatly deminish their desirability. Wonder how the community would react if they had a raid mob that would go nuts if a scout or mage was in the raid and did what would usually be their main function. Sorry for side rant, just proves Sony must of gotten their lunch money stolen from a fighter. Have you actually done this fight? You need 2 - 4 fighters to do it though 3 is a good number that makes the fight trivial. 1. Fighter 1 engages on pull. 2. Master P loses target on Fighter 1 3. Fighter 2 takes over 4. oo look no curse 5. Repeat until loot as opposed to 1. Fighter 1 engages on pull 2. Master P loses target on Fighter 1 3. Fighter 1 aggros Master P again 4. oh noes curse! 5. ride wipes. 6. people sad. __________________

06-22-2008, 05:44 PM	#16
lstead Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 183	SoE made them required, not useful. Big difference.Particularly Mal & Ire. We did it a few times just having a crusader and bruiser alt parked at the zone, brought them in for the fight, then sent them back out. Really silly. They need to fix the classes, not just create a revolving door for alts. __________________ Kathy, Gnome Mystic Antonia Bayle

06-23-2008, 06:37 AM	#17
Illine Server: Storms Guild: Apocalypse Rank: Honorifique Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: storms Posts: 870	Drewzor wrote: You used to be able to fight him with no fighters at all, negating the curse. Now you have to use fighters. yeah, that's the point !!! as said, fighters are usually the classes left behind for raids, and in SoH you need them. see the logic behind ? SOE doesn't want to delete the fighter classes so they create encounters where you NEED them. plus now there's some kind of strategy, I personnaly like it better now.

06-23-2008, 06:37 AM	#18
Killerbee3000 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: right behind you Posts: 1,802	Drewzor wrote: You used to be able to fight him with no fighters at all, negating the curse. Now you have to use fighters. exactly, you could use scouts to tank p'tasa and have the fighters sit out, the pet pull was really only a work around so the tanks woudnt get bored during the fight. __________________ Whiskers without loosing Eyes in '08!