The /rope command

Baccalarium · 05-05-2008, 10:31 PM

How many times have you been in a group and 3 or 4 of the players can make a tricky climb or jump over some obstruction but a couple of players just can't manage. They may be too short, or manual dexerity, or problems with lag, or just don't understand the instructions being given for where/how to make the jump.Another game (Sony should be familiar with vit.) has a /rope command that basically is a very short range call of the hero. If a player is in about 5meters of you, you can /rope them, and when they accept they get ported to your location. This also has the possibility of folks being able to rescue otherwise stuck toons without resorting to evacs or worse yet, GM assistance.I imagine someone can come up with one or two spots that this might be abused, but since someone had to make it over whatever the obstruction was first in order to use the /rope command it seems like its impact would be minimal.

Daghammerskold · 05-05-2008, 11:35 PM

I think that is a great idea.There have been several occasions where someone was stuck in a wall after being rezzed and that would have been the perfect solution.

walaruss · 05-06-2008, 01:35 AM

sometimes when you are stuck you are in attack mode too, and i dont think they will make this command useable in attack mode.

Baccalarium · 05-06-2008, 06:33 AM

It occurs to me that rope could be a vendor item usable with the effect that I described as a /rope command. Then the command parser doesn't change for a new command, and its probably easier to implement cast and recast times.

Dacies18 · 05-06-2008, 12:41 PM

i am in love with this idea

KatrinaDeath · 05-06-2008, 12:49 PM

I support this as long as it never makes it to the PvP servers. I would personally spam a /rope macro non stop.

Karlen · 05-06-2008, 12:55 PM

It should only work in places where the character would otherwise be able to climb himself. Otherwise this could be used to get around areas such as the "exits" to certain tunnels and other areas where you were intended to go in from the front (for example, the fungusman tunnel in Lesser Faydark). EDIT: On the other hand, you can already do this with things like Call of the Hero/Tinkerer

dartie · 05-06-2008, 01:38 PM

Brilliant idea. I'm all for it--primarily because it would enable characters to "unstick" themselves.

I can't imagine why anyone would complain, since someone has to be able to get to the spot that other chars are trying to access.

My tradeskillers would love to be able to make and sell ropes, and I can see how it would be nifty to have handcrafted and mastercrafted versions of them with different properties, but in the end I think the OP is right. It should just be a command, not an item--so that any character can "unstick" any other character even if they are both newborn.

feldon30 · 05-06-2008, 08:18 PM

There are parts of Steamfont that are very difficult to navigate. This command would be very handy.

Jiwi · 05-07-2008, 09:46 AM

Having played Vanguard and having had used this command, I miss it and long for it to be added to EQ2.

Slowdethh

dreamfordaylig · 05-07-2008, 09:56 AM

Great idea and it would help our friends with less fine motor command as well.

Cusashorn · 05-07-2008, 10:44 AM

exploitable by plat farmers, but otherwise a good idea.

Ulrichvon · 05-07-2008, 11:07 AM

Cusashorn wrote:

exploitable by plat farmers, but otherwise a good idea.

Not exactly the best of reasons not to implement the command.Maybe we're not seeing the same plat farmers, but there are tons of them already using 'warp hacks' to do exactly this. Adding the feature with some controls for players to use in 'stuck' conditions seems like a win-win.

Cusashorn · 05-07-2008, 06:35 PM

Ulrichvon wrote:

Cusashorn wrote:
exploitable by plat farmers, but otherwise a good idea.
Not exactly the best of reasons not to implement the command.Maybe we're not seeing the same plat farmers, but there are tons of them already using 'warp hacks' to do exactly this. Adding the feature with some controls for players to use in 'stuck' conditions seems like a win-win.

I wasn't saying that as a reason to NOT impliment it. I was just stating the obvious effect that would result.

ke'la · 05-07-2008, 06:59 PM

I think this would be best as a low level (say 20) crafted consumable, for say Tailors, as they don't have many consumables if any at all, make it use common materials, and maybe make "upgrades" at say Lvl 40, 60 and 80, the upgrade being a faster casting timer or the like, of course you have to be above that level. And as long as it has a relatively short range, say 10m and can only be cast by the person on the difficult to reach place, I think exploits would be at a minimum, especially if it is added as a consumable.

Valdaglerion · 05-08-2008, 04:37 PM

ke'la wrote:

I think this would be best as a low level (say 20) crafted consumable, for say Tailors, as they don't have many consumables if any at all, make it use common materials, and maybe make "upgrades" at say Lvl 40, 60 and 80, the upgrade being a faster casting timer or the like, of course you have to be above that level. And as long as it has a relatively short range, say 10m and can only be cast by the person on the difficult to reach place, I think exploits would be at a minimum, especially if it is added as a consumable.

Love the idea but hate the idea of carrying a consumable around. Make it an ability I am all for it.As it is I would like to see the illusion items changed to scribed spells and free up bag and storage space.

Rashaak · 05-08-2008, 04:43 PM

This is definately an interesting idea to implement, whether it be a consumable item or a common trait all could use. I'd say though...the only restriction would be the player had to have line of sight in order to use it.

Baccalarium · 05-08-2008, 08:04 PM

Jordin@Nagafen wrote:

I support this as long as it never makes it to the PvP servers. I would personally spam a /rope macro non stop.

Perhaps a group/raid friend restriction is in order.

LordPazuzu · 05-08-2008, 08:33 PM

It was a group only command in Vanguard, and very useful there... considering how easy it was to get stuck in or on terrain.

Chickenlady · 05-08-2008, 09:12 PM

I think this would be a fantastic idea - either as a consumable or as an ability... I have a terrible time jumping up places on my main - part I think due to her being very small, part due to lack of coordination on my part. At times, I have had to have a CoH cast on me simply because I CANNOT jump up... so someting like this could be incredibly usefulAnd yes, I think it would have to be raid/group only to prevent abuse

05-06-2008, 12:41 PM	#5
Dacies18 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Renton, WA (outside seattle Posts: 71	i am in love with this idea __________________ "My spelling and grammer is a known bug and no fix is scedualed at this time"

05-06-2008, 08:18 PM	#9
feldon30 Fansite Staff Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 5,424	There are parts of Steamfont that are very difficult to navigate. This command would be very handy. __________________ .. EQ2Wire.com \| EQ2U - Character, Item, Spell, and Guild Data

05-07-2008, 09:46 AM	#10
Jiwi Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 141	Having played Vanguard and having had used this command, I miss it and long for it to be added to EQ2. Slowdethh __________________

05-07-2008, 11:07 AM	#13
Ulrichvon Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 641	Cusashorn wrote: exploitable by plat farmers, but otherwise a good idea. Not exactly the best of reasons not to implement the command.Maybe we're not seeing the same plat farmers, but there are tons of them already using 'warp hacks' to do exactly this. Adding the feature with some controls for players to use in 'stuck' conditions seems like a win-win. __________________ Hey, where's my random act of kindness?

05-07-2008, 06:35 PM	#14
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	Ulrichvon wrote: Cusashorn wrote: exploitable by plat farmers, but otherwise a good idea. Not exactly the best of reasons not to implement the command.Maybe we're not seeing the same plat farmers, but there are tons of them already using 'warp hacks' to do exactly this. Adding the feature with some controls for players to use in 'stuck' conditions seems like a win-win. I wasn't saying that as a reason to NOT impliment it. I was just stating the obvious effect that would result.

05-05-2008, 10:31 PM	#1
Baccalarium Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 502	How many times have you been in a group and 3 or 4 of the players can make a tricky climb or jump over some obstruction but a couple of players just can't manage. They may be too short, or manual dexerity, or problems with lag, or just don't understand the instructions being given for where/how to make the jump.Another game (Sony should be familiar with vit.) has a /rope command that basically is a very short range call of the hero. If a player is in about 5meters of you, you can /rope them, and when they accept they get ported to your location. This also has the possibility of folks being able to rescue otherwise stuck toons without resorting to evacs or worse yet, GM assistance.I imagine someone can come up with one or two spots that this might be abused, but since someone had to make it over whatever the obstruction was first in order to use the /rope command it seems like its impact would be minimal.

05-05-2008, 11:35 PM	#2
Daghammerskold Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 176	I think that is a great idea.There have been several occasions where someone was stuck in a wall after being rezzed and that would have been the perfect solution.

05-06-2008, 01:35 AM	#3
walaruss Tester Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 237	sometimes when you are stuck you are in attack mode too, and i dont think they will make this command useable in attack mode.

05-06-2008, 06:33 AM	#4
Baccalarium Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 502	It occurs to me that rope could be a vendor item usable with the effect that I described as a /rope command. Then the command parser doesn't change for a new command, and its probably easier to implement cast and recast times.

05-06-2008, 12:49 PM	#6
KatrinaDeath Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota Posts: 690	I support this as long as it never makes it to the PvP servers. I would personally spam a /rope macro non stop.

05-06-2008, 12:55 PM	#7
Karlen Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,513	It should only work in places where the character would otherwise be able to climb himself. Otherwise this could be used to get around areas such as the "exits" to certain tunnels and other areas where you were intended to go in from the front (for example, the fungusman tunnel in Lesser Faydark). EDIT: On the other hand, you can already do this with things like Call of the Hero/Tinkerer

05-06-2008, 01:38 PM	#8
dartie Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 354	Brilliant idea. I'm all for it--primarily because it would enable characters to "unstick" themselves. I can't imagine why anyone would complain, since someone has to be able to get to the spot that other chars are trying to access. My tradeskillers would love to be able to make and sell ropes, and I can see how it would be nifty to have handcrafted and mastercrafted versions of them with different properties, but in the end I think the OP is right. It should just be a command, not an item--so that any character can "unstick" any other character even if they are both newborn.

05-07-2008, 09:56 AM	#11
dreamfordaylig General Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 17	Great idea and it would help our friends with less fine motor command as well.

05-07-2008, 10:44 AM	#12
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	exploitable by plat farmers, but otherwise a good idea.

05-07-2008, 06:59 PM	#15
ke'la Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 5,445	I think this would be best as a low level (say 20) crafted consumable, for say Tailors, as they don't have many consumables if any at all, make it use common materials, and maybe make "upgrades" at say Lvl 40, 60 and 80, the upgrade being a faster casting timer or the like, of course you have to be above that level. And as long as it has a relatively short range, say 10m and can only be cast by the person on the difficult to reach place, I think exploits would be at a minimum, especially if it is added as a consumable. __________________

05-08-2008, 04:37 PM	#16
Valdaglerion Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,870	ke'la wrote: I think this would be best as a low level (say 20) crafted consumable, for say Tailors, as they don't have many consumables if any at all, make it use common materials, and maybe make "upgrades" at say Lvl 40, 60 and 80, the upgrade being a faster casting timer or the like, of course you have to be above that level. And as long as it has a relatively short range, say 10m and can only be cast by the person on the difficult to reach place, I think exploits would be at a minimum, especially if it is added as a consumable. Love the idea but hate the idea of carrying a consumable around. Make it an ability I am all for it.As it is I would like to see the illusion items changed to scribed spells and free up bag and storage space.

05-08-2008, 04:43 PM	#17
Rashaak Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,413	This is definately an interesting idea to implement, whether it be a consumable item or a common trait all could use. I'd say though...the only restriction would be the player had to have line of sight in order to use it.

05-08-2008, 08:04 PM	#18
Baccalarium Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 502	Jordin@Nagafen wrote: I support this as long as it never makes it to the PvP servers. I would personally spam a /rope macro non stop. Perhaps a group/raid friend restriction is in order.

05-08-2008, 08:33 PM	#19
LordPazuzu Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 2,157	It was a group only command in Vanguard, and very useful there... considering how easy it was to get stuck in or on terrain.

05-08-2008, 09:12 PM	#20
Chickenlady Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 52	I think this would be a fantastic idea - either as a consumable or as an ability... I have a terrible time jumping up places on my main - part I think due to her being very small, part due to lack of coordination on my part. At times, I have had to have a CoH cast on me simply because I CANNOT jump up... so someting like this could be incredibly usefulAnd yes, I think it would have to be raid/group only to prevent abuse