Charm Animal ? is it an animal or not???

Shanth · 12-20-2007, 11:30 AM

I wish to know what it's consider animal and what's not.

A wolf is it an animal? yes it is, work

A wolf named is it an animal? yes it is, work

A crab in nek is it an animal? yes it is, work

A crab named in nek is it an animal? NOT don't work...

It works with spider non named and named too....

Well i wish to know what it's an animal and what's not, it's not possibile to try a charm for example a "an ash owlbear" and it's say dan't won't work!!!! what is it considered??? an undead?? an human?? a zombie???

PLS FIX THIS

DrOctober · 12-20-2007, 01:16 PM

If you think it's bad now, wait till T8 when 3 of the first 5 bipeds you find in Kylong Plains are considered animals, but the only animal looking mob (wyvern/wyrm) aren't.Just keep charming, remember the pets you have good results with, and remember that charming names is usually disallowed, and keeping them is bad form since it keeps others from killing them.

ButterKnifeNinja · 12-20-2007, 04:31 PM

charm animal is a joke. but it's nice when it works. but there are soooo many animals it doesn't work on, it makes me laugh and cry a little inside.

DrOctober · 12-20-2007, 05:02 PM

I still use it with both my warden and fury.The additional DPS it provides (when I can find an animal to charm) more than makes up for the occasional pain in the [Removed for Content].And really, the charm/mes animal is just gravy for getting the faster, heartier HoT.

Skivley101 · 12-26-2007, 08:55 AM

DrOctober wrote:

I still use it with both my warden and fury.The additional DPS it provides (when I can find an animal to charm) more than makes up for the occasional pain in the [I cannot control my vocabulary].And really, the charm/mes animal is just gravy for getting the faster, heartier HoT.

I freakin hear that ....charming a pet a couple lvls above you is invaluable ....get some subj gear whiners!!!

So im out in the jungle today doing the christmas quest .....killl freakin leeches right ....im lvl 72 ... i charm a lvl 74 kunzar tiger(+30 subjugation ...hes very tame ,plus i gave him treats) .... well anyways i accidently pull 2 leeches ....tiger takes one i take the other ....standing close so my group heal will hit him(he didnt need it), pushing all the dps i can ,,, what ' a ' ya know ....the freaking tiger finishes his off before i do .... and my mob was the one getting hit with infusion.

Cheeze and rice that Tiger kicks [I cannot control my vocabulary] ... ya, you better watch out then Arie .

Kunzar Tigers commin to get cha ....

Jalanix · 03-14-2008, 11:17 AM

It would be nice if there was some easier method for telling "what is an animal". I mean, I thought I knew! But I was surprised today when I couldn't charm a crocodile in fens. And then reading another thread and hearing that drovalgs and yeti's are considered animals?! I just wandered around with a gorilla in KP as it was the only obvious animal I saw. I guess technically yes drovalgs and yetis ARE animals, but then shouldn't we be able to charm anything thats not a plant, elemental, golem or undead? Anyway, I am having tons of fun with this ability. I have always loved pet classes and its really nice to play one that isn't so squishy on its own like a caster. I do have one major gripe though:Why oh why, for the love of all that is holy, does my pet insist on standing on top of whatever I'm trying to loot or harvest? It's so annoying trying to click through a giant rhino butt. Maybe this is the pet's passive rebellion.

xandez · 03-14-2008, 01:12 PM

Skivley101 wrote:

So im out in the jungle today doing the christmas quest .....killl freakin leeches right ....im lvl 72 ... i charm a lvl 74 kunzar tiger(+30 subjugation ...hes very tame ,plus i gave him treats) .... well anyways i accidently pull 2 leeches ....tiger takes one i take the other ....standing close so my group heal will hit him(he didnt need it), pushing all the dps i can ,,, what ' a ' ya know ....the freaking tiger finishes his off before i do .... and my mob was the one getting hit with infusion.

lolz, its just because you suck Skiv! SMILEY

++Xan

ps. i wont tell the tiger SMILEY

Overburnzz · 03-14-2008, 01:56 PM

so do you guys believe having a pet is better than root and nuke?I went down the int tree and down the wis tree to get the improved sowi can root and dmg the 5hit out of mobsbut have always wanted to try the charm animali am level 65 and solo alot just not sure which is better i love blasting a mob for 2000 dmg

Arielle Nightshade · 03-15-2008, 01:23 PM

I have charm animal incidentally....because I wanted the heal crit in AGI, and you can't get there if you didn't get all the charming abilities. I always kind of cringe when I charm something. Even though I have maxed (and then some..with gear) subjugation, when charm breaks, there I am being beaten up by the mob and by my charmed animal...and unbuffed cause I had to give up 3 slots.

I'd rather just root 'em and nuke 'em. Roots are far more reliable and rarely, if ever, break. Charm doesn't hold nearly as well, and with rooting/nuking I never have to worry about whether the thing is an animal or not. If the 'animal' tag was consistent across the game, even, charm would be a little more useful. If, say, a spider in Oakmyst is 'an animal', a spider in Skyfire should be, and so should every spider in between.

If I were Queen........!!!

metacell · 03-17-2008, 04:30 AM

It's probably just a case of the devs not talking enough to each other.

xandez · 03-17-2008, 07:42 AM

Overburnzz wrote:

so do you guys believe having a pet is better than root and nuke?

for me atleast, since i do melee... *shrug*the 3 concentration feels steep sometimes, but ive managed to live w/o some wis+agi and health SMILEY

++Xan

Overburnzz · 03-17-2008, 02:09 PM

I would rather not get wailed on by 2 mobs especially in places like KP or KJthe root nuke method seems to work just fine for methe only thing that bothers me now is when i get in my late 70's I will have to respecfor raiding down to a heal bot for my guildoh well, thanks for the input

gatrm · 03-17-2008, 05:08 PM

Overburnzz wrote:

I would rather not get wailed on by 2 mobs especially in places like KP or KJthe root nuke method seems to work just fine for methe only thing that bothers me now is when i get in my late 70's I will have to respecfor raiding down to a heal bot for my guildoh well, thanks for the input

Even if you respec, you can stay in the int tree so that your soloing method does not change. Agi/sta/int would work for soloing if you root/nuke and for raiding/grouping...

I melee and I have found it sometimes useful to have a pet for some added dps. Even if the charm breaks mid-fight, unless it is a heroic, or while fighting a heroic (yeah, I'm just a masochist like that...), I don't notice it usually- the exception being if I am already fighting 3-4 mobs when the pet breaks.

I am just dissappointed that the charm won't allow me the soloability vs heroic mobs I had in T7...for me it's a lot more fun going into a dungeon solo with the chance at earning loot by killing a few names than it is to kill a bunch of trash single, no arrow mobs in an overland zone...but that's another topic and sorry to psuedo derail...

Edit: oh, and [Removed for Content] is it with that formless grey blob next to my name? Is that supposed to be an inflamed liver after having too much brew?

Oakum · 03-18-2008, 04:56 PM

You can also use the aa mirrors. They are getting very cheap on the broker now to switch for raids and have 2 sets of gear. I don't bother with switching my aa's personally since I dont raid much and havent seen any noticable improvement when I did switch the couple of times I tryed it.

I do have 2 gear sets, one wis/melee I normally wear and one wis/heal procs (usually with useless int) for raid named weak group instances where I will spend most of my time healing and even the ca's, as quick as they are, will not be used much.

Overburnzz · 03-19-2008, 01:48 PM

well I will say this I am level 68 and almost complete with all the quests in KP from what I have read on eq2 wiki the suggested starting level is 68 for that area..lolso rooting and blasting away on all yellow and orange mobs without them beating me has helped a toni feel sorry for you suckers get beat on by kunark mobsmy friend who is a zerker is mad cause he couldnt start KP till he was late 60's when i told him I am almost done and that i started at 65 he couldnt believe itSo all those are are not sure what route to go Here is my suggestion:50 Points in Druid go all the way down Int Line and put remaining in Wis (Improved sow helps me run away when root breaks)Remaining points get the Improved Root, Sow, and Mitigation in Warden lineDo that and you will be able to goto areas beyond your level and kick some a55

Dockwi · 03-21-2008, 03:01 PM

Is it just me, or did the saber teeth in Fens go from charmable to non-charmable in the last patch?

cooper9280 · 04-07-2008, 01:57 PM

The Sabertooths in the Fens are still charmable for me. However, I do prefer the Stonebeaks, personally. They seem to hold the Charm better and have a nice little knockback that procs periodically. If you like the Sabertooths, then you will probably like the Warslik Prowlers as well.

Arielle Nightshade · 04-07-2008, 06:00 PM

They are crosseyed though.

12-20-2007, 01:16 PM	#2
DrOctober Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Pits of Hades Posts: 48	If you think it's bad now, wait till T8 when 3 of the first 5 bipeds you find in Kylong Plains are considered animals, but the only animal looking mob (wyvern/wyrm) aren't.Just keep charming, remember the pets you have good results with, and remember that charming names is usually disallowed, and keeping them is bad form since it keeps others from killing them. __________________ Hellespont - Hemmlock - Jorgen Vinsent - Gabriellan - Sirocco Draconic Legion -Unrest There are 10 kinds of people in the world: .....those who understand binary, .....and those who don't.

12-20-2007, 05:02 PM	#4
DrOctober Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Pits of Hades Posts: 48	I still use it with both my warden and fury.The additional DPS it provides (when I can find an animal to charm) more than makes up for the occasional pain in the [Removed for Content].And really, the charm/mes animal is just gravy for getting the faster, heartier HoT. __________________ Hellespont - Hemmlock - Jorgen Vinsent - Gabriellan - Sirocco Draconic Legion -Unrest There are 10 kinds of people in the world: .....those who understand binary, .....and those who don't.

12-26-2007, 08:55 AM	#5
Skivley101 Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: @ the desk Posts: 1,051	DrOctober wrote: I still use it with both my warden and fury.The additional DPS it provides (when I can find an animal to charm) more than makes up for the occasional pain in the [I cannot control my vocabulary].And really, the charm/mes animal is just gravy for getting the faster, heartier HoT. I freakin hear that ....charming a pet a couple lvls above you is invaluable ....get some subj gear whiners!!! So im out in the jungle today doing the christmas quest .....killl freakin leeches right ....im lvl 72 ... i charm a lvl 74 kunzar tiger(+30 subjugation ...hes very tame ,plus i gave him treats) .... well anyways i accidently pull 2 leeches ....tiger takes one i take the other ....standing close so my group heal will hit him(he didnt need it), pushing all the dps i can ,,, what ' a ' ya know ....the freaking tiger finishes his off before i do .... and my mob was the one getting hit with infusion. Cheeze and rice that Tiger kicks [I cannot control my vocabulary] ... ya, you better watch out then Arie . Kunzar Tigers commin to get cha .... __________________ Barbarian~ LvL 75 Warden ,LvL 75 Provisioner, LvL 101 smak talker

03-14-2008, 01:12 PM	#7
xandez Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,044	Skivley101 wrote: So im out in the jungle today doing the christmas quest .....killl freakin leeches right ....im lvl 72 ... i charm a lvl 74 kunzar tiger(+30 subjugation ...hes very tame ,plus i gave him treats) .... well anyways i accidently pull 2 leeches ....tiger takes one i take the other ....standing close so my group heal will hit him(he didnt need it), pushing all the dps i can ,,, what ' a ' ya know ....the freaking tiger finishes his off before i do .... and my mob was the one getting hit with infusion. lolz, its just because you suck Skiv! ++Xan ps. i wont tell the tiger __________________ One can survive everything, nowadays, except death, and live down everything except a good reputation.

03-14-2008, 01:56 PM	#8
Overburnzz Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 53	so do you guys believe having a pet is better than root and nuke?I went down the int tree and down the wis tree to get the improved sowi can root and dmg the 5hit out of mobsbut have always wanted to try the charm animali am level 65 and solo alot just not sure which is better i love blasting a mob for 2000 dmg __________________

12-20-2007, 11:30 AM	#1
Shanth Server: Runnyeye Guild: Adventuring Slackers Rank: Gran Slacker General Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 7	I wish to know what it's consider animal and what's not. A wolf is it an animal? yes it is, work A wolf named is it an animal? yes it is, work A crab in nek is it an animal? yes it is, work A crab named in nek is it an animal? NOT don't work... It works with spider non named and named too.... Well i wish to know what it's an animal and what's not, it's not possibile to try a charm for example a "an ash owlbear" and it's say dan't won't work!!!! what is it considered??? an undead?? an human?? a zombie??? PLS FIX THIS

12-20-2007, 04:31 PM	#3
ButterKnifeNinja Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 24	charm animal is a joke. but it's nice when it works. but there are soooo many animals it doesn't work on, it makes me laugh and cry a little inside.

03-14-2008, 11:17 AM	#6
Jalanix Lord Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 53	It would be nice if there was some easier method for telling "what is an animal". I mean, I thought I knew! But I was surprised today when I couldn't charm a crocodile in fens. And then reading another thread and hearing that drovalgs and yeti's are considered animals?! I just wandered around with a gorilla in KP as it was the only obvious animal I saw. I guess technically yes drovalgs and yetis ARE animals, but then shouldn't we be able to charm anything thats not a plant, elemental, golem or undead? Anyway, I am having tons of fun with this ability. I have always loved pet classes and its really nice to play one that isn't so squishy on its own like a caster. I do have one major gripe though:Why oh why, for the love of all that is holy, does my pet insist on standing on top of whatever I'm trying to loot or harvest? It's so annoying trying to click through a giant rhino butt. Maybe this is the pet's passive rebellion.

03-15-2008, 01:23 PM	#9
Arielle Nightshade Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,727	I have charm animal incidentally....because I wanted the heal crit in AGI, and you can't get there if you didn't get all the charming abilities. I always kind of cringe when I charm something. Even though I have maxed (and then some..with gear) subjugation, when charm breaks, there I am being beaten up by the mob and by my charmed animal...and unbuffed cause I had to give up 3 slots. I'd rather just root 'em and nuke 'em. Roots are far more reliable and rarely, if ever, break. Charm doesn't hold nearly as well, and with rooting/nuking I never have to worry about whether the thing is an animal or not. If the 'animal' tag was consistent across the game, even, charm would be a little more useful. If, say, a spider in Oakmyst is 'an animal', a spider in Skyfire should be, and so should every spider in between. If I were Queen........!!!

03-17-2008, 04:30 AM	#10
metacell Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 275	It's probably just a case of the devs not talking enough to each other.

03-17-2008, 07:42 AM	#11
xandez Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,044	Overburnzz wrote: so do you guys believe having a pet is better than root and nuke? for me atleast, since i do melee... shrugthe 3 concentration feels steep sometimes, but ive managed to live w/o some wis+agi and health ++Xan __________________ One can survive everything, nowadays, except death, and live down everything except a good reputation.

03-17-2008, 02:09 PM	#12
Overburnzz Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 53	I would rather not get wailed on by 2 mobs especially in places like KP or KJthe root nuke method seems to work just fine for methe only thing that bothers me now is when i get in my late 70's I will have to respecfor raiding down to a heal bot for my guildoh well, thanks for the input __________________

03-17-2008, 05:08 PM	#13
gatrm Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 545	Overburnzz wrote: I would rather not get wailed on by 2 mobs especially in places like KP or KJthe root nuke method seems to work just fine for methe only thing that bothers me now is when i get in my late 70's I will have to respecfor raiding down to a heal bot for my guildoh well, thanks for the input Even if you respec, you can stay in the int tree so that your soloing method does not change. Agi/sta/int would work for soloing if you root/nuke and for raiding/grouping... I melee and I have found it sometimes useful to have a pet for some added dps. Even if the charm breaks mid-fight, unless it is a heroic, or while fighting a heroic (yeah, I'm just a masochist like that...), I don't notice it usually- the exception being if I am already fighting 3-4 mobs when the pet breaks. I am just dissappointed that the charm won't allow me the soloability vs heroic mobs I had in T7...for me it's a lot more fun going into a dungeon solo with the chance at earning loot by killing a few names than it is to kill a bunch of trash single, no arrow mobs in an overland zone...but that's another topic and sorry to psuedo derail... Edit: oh, and [Removed for Content] is it with that formless grey blob next to my name? Is that supposed to be an inflamed liver after having too much brew?

03-18-2008, 04:56 PM	#14
Oakum Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,441	You can also use the aa mirrors. They are getting very cheap on the broker now to switch for raids and have 2 sets of gear. I don't bother with switching my aa's personally since I dont raid much and havent seen any noticable improvement when I did switch the couple of times I tryed it. I do have 2 gear sets, one wis/melee I normally wear and one wis/heal procs (usually with useless int) for raid named weak group instances where I will spend most of my time healing and even the ca's, as quick as they are, will not be used much. __________________

03-19-2008, 01:48 PM	#15
Overburnzz Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 53	well I will say this I am level 68 and almost complete with all the quests in KP from what I have read on eq2 wiki the suggested starting level is 68 for that area..lolso rooting and blasting away on all yellow and orange mobs without them beating me has helped a toni feel sorry for you suckers get beat on by kunark mobsmy friend who is a zerker is mad cause he couldnt start KP till he was late 60's when i told him I am almost done and that i started at 65 he couldnt believe itSo all those are are not sure what route to go Here is my suggestion:50 Points in Druid go all the way down Int Line and put remaining in Wis (Improved sow helps me run away when root breaks)Remaining points get the Improved Root, Sow, and Mitigation in Warden lineDo that and you will be able to goto areas beyond your level and kick some a55 __________________

03-21-2008, 03:01 PM	#16
Dockwi Journeyman Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2	Is it just me, or did the saber teeth in Fens go from charmable to non-charmable in the last patch? __________________ Najena's warden of dooooooommmm! Its a joke. I know I'm not uber. YET!

04-07-2008, 01:57 PM	#17
cooper9280 Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 68	The Sabertooths in the Fens are still charmable for me. However, I do prefer the Stonebeaks, personally. They seem to hold the Charm better and have a nice little knockback that procs periodically. If you like the Sabertooths, then you will probably like the Warslik Prowlers as well. __________________

04-07-2008, 06:00 PM	#18
Arielle Nightshade Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,727	They are crosseyed though.