Situational use of Staff of Impaler vs. Elemental Dominance

[Xsirious]

http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Staff_of_the_Impalervs.http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Elemental...ce_%28Fabled%29Okay,  this is not supposed to be a question of which one is great and which isnt.  I have both of these and figured it would be a common question Conjs would think about.I'm wondering: which y'all like for solo/group/raid use? Since one is two-hand and one is main-hand what is your choice for secondary with ED? General Pro-Con of the two? Has anyone parsed with both and how did they compare?THanks !

[Bakual]

I only use ED exclusively. I didn't even consider using another one that my epic weapon. Crti chance and proc are way better than the proc from the staff in my opinion. And epic weapon also boosts our mage pet. And the most important part: Epic looks better

On secondary I use the "Edict of the Whispered Word" and "Runed Guard of The Sel'Nok" as ranged.

[Lader]

i didnt even use staff of impaler before epics were released. SOD + secondary proc items was better for me.

[Xalmat]

I used Staff of the Impaler for awhile, coupled with either an "Edict of the Whispered Word" or a "Pristine Fire Emerald Orb" in the range slot (since I lack better). After I got a Praetor's Guard, I ditched the Impaler in favor of good 'ol Grizzfazzle + Praetor's. Now I use the epic + Praetor's, and I'm thinking about transmuting the Staff of the Impaler.The thing with the Impaler is that the proc is a fixed amount, and it will never change even if a mob is significantly debuffed (or at least not that I've seen), whereas weapons with a variable proc (ED, Grizzfazzle, etc) will change their damage when a mob is significantly debuffed. That and of course the Impaler is a two-hander, and Praetor's + Epic more than beats the high stats that Impaler offers. I do gotta admit, the Impaler is one of the best two-handed weapons I've ever seen for a mage.

[Xsirious]

Well that is 3 for the ED in it seems most any situation and 0 for the SoI.   Sounds like we got a good epic in several opinions. Awesome. I am taking in the info on the secondary and ranged.  I was considering my Runed Guard of the Sel'nok thinking it was a constant 25% effect and whilst reading double clicked and bought it(this will teach me to carry more than gold on my character). I do 'use' it as often as possible having put it on my macro for CB, WoV, send pet, HO which I click most often.  I certainly can sell this back if it doesnt increase the ED proc or there is better. I tend to think it should help somewhat.

[Banditman]

Xalmat wrote:

The thing with the Impaler is that the proc is a fixed amount, and it will never change even if a mob is significantly debuffed (or at least not that I've seen), whereas weapons with a variable proc (ED, Grizzfazzle, etc) will change their damage when a mob is significantly debuffed. That and of course the Impaler is a two-hander, and Praetor's + Epic more than beats the high stats that Impaler offers. I do gotta admit, the Impaler is one of the best two-handed weapons I've ever seen for a mage.

This is not correct.Staff of the Impaler always parses far more than it's listed amount in raids.  The problem you're having is that you, as a Conjuror, have no good way to debuff Poison on your own.  There are ways, but they aren't pleasant.Using that logic, you'd have to say Praetor's Guard sucks too.  Yep, it has a fixed proc, Mental damage.If you have one Secondary / Ranged slot proc item and no ED, I'd go with Staff of the Impaler and your one proc item in Ranged.If you have two Secondary / Ranged proc items and no ED, I'd go Grizz / whatever + your two items.If you have ED, just use the thing.  Hard to go wrong.  Conjuror's got one of the best epic weapons hands down.

[Xalmat]

You know, you're probably right about that.

[Xsirious]

Ahh! Interesting. So that might also explain why Bone Clasped Girdle is so good. Its not just hte proc damage but the debuff for cold and heat.So,  what other pieces have these debuffs?

[FarEyes]

I've returned to the game after about a year and a half absence and run my conj up to 80.   I am using Grizzfazzel's, The Praetor's Guard, and The runed Guard of the Sel'Nok or for long fight's The book of Immortals.

I recently came across a 1h weapon and am trying to decide if it is good enough to attune and use in place of Grizzfazzel's until I get my epic done.

 The weapon is the Staff of Nihilism

+20 WIS + 38 Int

+2 Damage Crit

+ 110 Spell Damage

Force X - Increase magic damage done by spells by 50

Thoughts?   Sell?   Use?

[Daghammerskold]

Xsirious wrote:

Ahh! Interesting. So that might also explain why Bone Clasped Girdle is so good. Its not just hte proc damage but the debuff for cold and heat.So,  what other pieces have these debuffs?

The Symbol of Tashani debuffs magic.

[StaticLex]

I have that symbol in my ranged, very nice item IMO.

[Xalmat]

Ditch the Staff of Nihilism and find something better, it only affects magic-based spells (of which, all three that we have are on 20-45 second timers).

[agnott]

Just a quick question...

Ive been out of the game for close to 2 years.... but I have my prismatic.

I just want to gauge the difficulty in obtaining the Staff and ED compared to the Prismatic.

What order would you put them in ....the 1st being the hardest.

Thanks!

[Banditman]

Unless there has been a stealth change to the Prismatic, it's worthless.  Last time I looked at it, the Prismatic proc'ed only when you were swinging the weapon.  What everyone is talking about in this thread are items that proc when you cast a hostile spell.Completely different mechanic.The only good thing about a Prismatic is that it has Flowing Thought.  Once you get to L70, the items in RoK will make power regeneration a truly trivial consideration.

[Lader]

the scale would be more tedious to easy than it would be hard to easy.

most tedious-prismatic.

elemental dominance

easiest-staff of the impaler.

if all you have is grizfazzles, id say get staff of nihilism + a secondary until you can do your epic.

[agnott]

Banditman wrote:

Unless there has been a stealth change to the Prismatic, it's worthless.  Last time I looked at it, the Prismatic proc'ed only when you were swinging the weapon.  What everyone is talking about in this thread are items that proc when you cast a hostile spell.Completely different mechanic.The only good thing about a Prismatic is that it has Flowing Thought.  Once you get to L70, the items in RoK will make power regeneration a truly trivial consideration.

I don't think you read my post correctly.

[agnott]

Lader wrote:

the scale would be more tedious to easy than it would be hard to easy.

most tedious-prismatic.

elemental dominance

easiest-staff of the impaler.

if all you have is grizfazzles, id say get staff of nihilism + a secondary until you can do your epic.

yea...your right. Tedious is the correct word for obtaining the Prismatic.

I always thought the quest was waaay to long for the reward given. I was just praying that getting the epic weapon was not as long

Thanks

[Xalmat]

Getting the Elemental Dominance is pretty tedious in it's own right. At least a good chunk of it is soloable, with the rest only requiring a single group.

[Lady Shai]

I use EDominance  pretty much exclusively, with PR and Necvro Orb in secondary.

I did however recently come across the Staff of Nihilism...I am planning to just keep that on me for those times when I cannot use EDominance due to no dots/procs etc (ie MC last mob). At least that way I can still get some crit and some additional bits and bobs while not procing on mob.

 I figure it is a decent situational weapon, but it really has to be major to get me to let my EDominance go.

[Xalmat]

You can use Elemental Dominance on Drusella Sathir. She dispels the DoT from the proc without an issue.

[Banditman]

When Tier 5 was the end game, the Prismatic Weapon was a very clear choice for the classes who used power.  Mages and Priests alike swore by their Prismatic.  Flowing Thought 12 in THAT era was so far above what was otherwise available you simply couldn't argue against it.It was less clear for the melee classes, but many of them did use the Prismatic.Today?  Completely different story.  You spend a lot less time in the level range where a Prismatic is an appropriate weapon.  Subsequent loot upgrades it and you simply don't want to spend that much time on an item that will likely be replaced before you even finish the quest.

[Rayche]

I used Impaler and Praetors in Ranged until I finished Epic last night.Now I use Epic/Praetors and a Fire Emerald orb in range, which I will replace with the Necromantic Orb as soon as I can get the Naga to drop it.I also vendored ALL of my flowing thought gear once I picked up 3 pieces of Soulsiphoning gear as I find power taps return far more than the lackluster flowing thought gear did.I also have the Runed Guard of the Sel'Nok, but since you can swap out your range slot during combat I have it macroed to equip, use then another macro to equip my Fire Emerald Orb.

[Xsirious]

Very nice tip. Thank You Very MuchCometus@Antonia Bayle wrote:

I used Impaler and Praetors in Ranged until I finished Epic last night.Now I use Epic/Praetors and a Fire Emerald orb in range, which I will replace with the Necromantic Orb as soon as I can get the Naga to drop it.I also vendored ALL of my flowing thought gear once I picked up 3 pieces of Soulsiphoning gear as I find power taps return far more than the lackluster flowing thought gear did.I also have the Runed Guard of the Sel'Nok, but since you can swap out your range slot during combat I have it macroed to equip, use then another macro to equip my Fire Emerald Orb.