Conj Epic last step (Domination of Phrotis) - How are you finding this?

Caethre · 03-02-2008, 10:54 AM

OOC.

This encounter is besting me at the moment, as in everything I try results in Suzanna dieing or needing to zone out before she dies, so I am looking for helpful advice, if there is any. However, note that I am casually equipped, and Suzanna has no raidgear and (almost) no master spells, it's standard questgear from outdoor ROK solo zones and adept III spells, and the occasional drop from an instance, so any advice based on having raidgear effects and master-powered pets/spells isn't going to help.

For me, I quickly ruled out any approach based on kiting. I am an awful kiter as a conjuror, I have no run speed and the fiddly-ness of the targetting issues described below is bad enough without running around as well. I did try kiting anyway a few times to start with, having been advised that tanking wouldn't work, and got absolutely nowhere, so abandoned it in favour of what I know and do best - tanking with the Earth pet.

With my Ad3 Earth Pet in defensive, with 4488 in the STA line (stronger earth pet, and perceptors command for aggro) and 44882 in the WIS line (animists bond as well as the pet ability improvements), I have had phrotis as low as 25%-30%. Aggro control is difficult but possible with blazing manifestation and perceptors command, tho Suzanna did die a couple of times due to taking aggro after perceptors command was resisted, however, if I pay attention to it, aggro shouldn't really be an issue for me.

Keeping the pet alive is very very hard indeed, as the Ad3 pet heal is struggling (even with 5 APs in it), and using vehement skin and planeshift only made it a little better, but animist's bond helps more. The time I got to 25%, the pet died, and thats why I lost that particular attempt. I could I suppose waste two respecs on the hydromancer pet, which I don't have. I may be forced to try that if I can find no other way.

However, the main issue I had was in recognizing quickly enough that an elemental has been awoken, and then (even more seriously) actually targettting the darn thing quickly enough to be able to dominate it (or query/dominate it if its the first time for that elemental).

That line of text amongst all the other spam is hard to spot, and watching text instead of doing everything else one has to do in this fight is almost impossible (for me), so I watch for Phrotis turning toward the elementals. This is, however, rather hit and miss, as he moves around a little during the fight, and at some point will be facing towards one of them anyway.

Targetting the elementals by mouse (my prefered default method) is stupidly hard, as they seem to only have a few pixels of size to click on, so I just kept missing and needing to re-click, wasting time leading to a missed check. I went for the macros option suggested in the Epic Help thread. However, this too proved unreliable, as so often the target didn't work for some reason and the dominate just fired against the current target (phrotis) instead, again, resulting in a missed check. I tried making a single macro with /target lines for all 4 elements followed by a 5th line to dominate, but that just plain didnt seem to work at all.

For the last few attempts I re-mapped TAB to cycle through targets instead of it's default "select nearest", and that helped a lot, certainly far more reliable than /target macros were (for me).

I actually managed on my last attempt to never miss a single element reaction!! However, I still lost, as after a very long fight indeed, with Phrotis at about 30% health, my pet was on 5% health and I was out of power from all the chain healing, so had to zone out.

After about 25 attempts in the last few hours, and not even getting close, time to leave it for a day I think. It's extremely frustrating though!!

So, any advice from those who may have completed this (preferably who are not just managing it via access to better gear/spells), would be appreciated.

Regards,

Daghammerskold · 03-02-2008, 02:46 PM

I went thru basically the same process as you. I'm not a kiter, I'm not even that good of a soloer for a conj. I pet-tanked Phrotis and tab-targeted the elementals.After many failed attempts I respec'd to STA and WIS just like you have them. I also respec'd the EoF tree to get the Hydromancer and all the stoneskins I could. Get the 2-hit stoneskin for all group members because it works on the pet. That will give your pet 8 stoneskin procs. If you start with the pet-only one, the faster recast spec means you can cast it twice during the fight. Between that and Animist bond you can save your pet a lot of damage. Also the Hydromancer will heal your tank pet while Communion is running.If power is an issue, get some clarity potions, manastone, maybe even have a friendly necro cast you some hearts before you go in.

Xsirious · 03-02-2008, 03:11 PM

Are you using the Yeddahd's staff? I think this is going to be one time I will pull it out of mothballs.

Caethre · 03-02-2008, 04:49 PM

Xsirious wrote:

Are you using the Yeddahd's staff? I think this is going to be one time I will pull it out of mothballs.

OOC.I'd never even heard of that ... had to look it up on google. If you mean Yeddahd's Caduceus, not something I own I'm afraid. Though seeing that it has a 40% pet heal clicky on it (recast ~ 15mins?) I can see that it might very well help those who have it, so it's a good suggestion.

Xsirious · 03-02-2008, 06:52 PM

Aye, that's the ticket. I'm wondering if any of the RoK questwear that says 'heals group for xxx' assists the pet. There is also a post here that talks about 4 items that have stoneskin on them or somesuch. I think I will be looking into those as well. Even one or two could make it happen.The staff was a solo item. I would guess you need a character of the right level to mentor to currently. But, the camp is well documented on the web. You could have the staff in one afternoon with a bit o luck.Is there alot of room to move about in this encounter? I can see where some WoV and pet kiting might be necessary. Or, is it real close like the Shackle quests in KJ?

Lader · 03-02-2008, 09:38 PM

i know you said you tried it and couldnt quite get the hang of it, but kiting is really the optimal way to do this fight. i tried pet tanking it and doing dmg myself, and it wouldnt work for me, period. even planeshifted i ripped off my pet easily, not sure if he has a memwipe thing or something.

You should be able to keep your pet up long enough for the first cycle of query/dominate. After that its simply running in a circle. the mob is fairly slow, and frigid winds should turn him to a crawl. When he emotes, he pauses for a second, and only one of the elements becomes targettable, so your tab will only target that element. with his pause you have plenty of time to get it dominated and take a few steps back. As his hp gets lower and lower he emotes faster. At bout 20% he is nonstop emoting, standing perfectly still and you dont have to move anymore. let fire get him to 1% and dominate.

you dont even need a pet casted for this method after it dies, except if you need power to sprint or something if he gets too close. just hold down the right mouse button and an arrow of your choice (or letter if thats how you roll) and when you see blue words press tab, dominate and continue.

*sometimes he will port to you and stun you. if that happens during an emote, pretty much your only option is to start over.*

Caethre · 03-02-2008, 11:55 PM

Lader wrote:

You should be able to keep your pet up long enough for the first cycle of query/dominate. After that its simply running in a circle. the mob is fairly slow, and frigid winds should turn him to a crawl. When he emotes, he pauses for a second, and only one of the elements becomes targettable, so your tab will only target that element. with his pause you have plenty of time to get it dominated and take a few steps back. As his hp gets lower and lower he emotes faster. At bout 20% he is nonstop emoting, standing perfectly still and you dont have to move anymore. let fire get him to 1% and dominate.

OOC.

You know, Lader, I read that and thought, nah, won't work for me, I'm awful at kiting and I know it. But then again, what had I to lose, so what the heck, I tried the basic approach you suggested. It worked quite well, I did lose the pet but kited on for a good few minutes, before I missed a TAB and was hammered by the summoned earth minion.

The main issue I was having was that I have been playing for years with right hand on mouse, left on arrow keys on keyboard for driving, and anything else would just not work for me. The issue with the TAB is that it upset how I usually play, so under pressure I was fumbling, and fumbling is 'bad' hehe. So despite it being 2am and my being tired, I thought, one more try, but I'll try to bind the TAB key to a macro and make it a hotkey, so I can put it on a hotkeybar next to Dominate, and thereby keep my right hand on the mouse at all times (which is never going to make me fumble). After asking in channel, the command I needed turned out to be:

/target_next_npc

With these two hotkeys set up, I had one more try. I quieried Phrotis before starting. I left the pet on follow-me but on protect-me as well. I started out by triggering the event from far away, and then sending the pet in to attack him, blazing from the outset to lock aggro on the pet. I continued pet tanking as usual, spamming heals, vehement skin, animist bond, perceptors command and blazing manifestation. In this way, I managed to get a full cycle of the four elementals all queried and dominated once.

This done, I hit pet-back off, and started running in a wide circle around the brazier, keeping Phrotis targetted, my pet still alive and running behind me (and taking his occasional hit, at least to start with) and now I started watching the text. On seeing his emote, I kept running for a couple of seconds (whilst the element becomes targettable), then stopped, faced the brazier to get all 4 elements in sight, then hit the "target next npc" hotkey folowed by the Dominate hotkey, both using the mouse, and then immediately set off circling again.

This went on for .. an age. Got him to 20%, then missed a water event somehow, he was back at ~75%, and then got him to 20% again, and missed another (was fire or water, I was lucky not to miss air or earth). But then he dipped under 10%, I hit Dominate and WHAM it was over, Epic in hand.

Can't believe it, haven't stopped shaking from the tension (I did say I hate kiting), but that was one killer suggestion Lader, and I'd suggest others who are struggling but hate kiting (like me) just to give it a shot.

Regards,

Xsirious · 03-03-2008, 06:07 PM

Grats! looks like you got some good advise. Im going to use this too.

Gunsod · 03-03-2008, 09:52 PM

I am another terrible kiter... and this was not the encounter to practice on!

I followed a lot of steps mentioned in this thread and a couple of others:

* respecced aa for tank pet / stoneskins / hydromancer (comes out with communion) etc* used Yeddahd's Caduceus for the 40% pet heal* equipped stoneskin and heal proc gear (mainly from RoK quests)* used tab to target elements as they became active (but I got the hang of clicking on them with practice)* saved elemental unity until mob was around 40%* avoided dpsing mob, used power for stoneskins / pet heals etc - let the fire/earth kill it but cast communion when available for the hydromancer (not worth much but it helped a little)* zoned out when I was too slow and one of the elements activated - save unnesicary deaths

It took a few goes even once I got all this, but I was able to pet tank the whole fight and did not die after I started using this strategy

Bakual · 03-04-2008, 08:39 AM

I tried it with different approaches, with earth pet and fire pet. Neither worked. I then decided to take the water pet, I made sure that Phrotis has aggro on me (with our snare spell) rather than on the pet and just run away. He is awefully slow, even without being snared. So I just kept him as far away from his elementals as possible so I had time to run back, targetting with TAB and dominate/query. Worked everytime. When he hit me once my pet healed me back up. I didn't do damage at him at all, except for some high aggro spells that will keep him running after me. He got killed by his own minions. SMILEY

My hearth was beating with like 260 hits per minute but I succeed SMILEY

I think kiting him is by far the best and easiest approach.

Lady Shai · 03-04-2008, 02:33 PM

You guys are really making this a bit too hard...its not as complicated as what you all are thinking.

When I did it, I did w/out kiting. Kiting didnt work for me. People said...Kite!! Kite!!!

Many many times I tried and it didnt work. I was so frustrated. Then I realized after talking to a few people...this strategy, and it works.

I respecced my summoner tree to wisdom. Full animist bond, and that was about it there. I then respecced my conji line to put max points in VG, heal, stoneskin for both me and pet. I then put points into the tank pet, and then down to planeshift, 5 points.

I used my AD3 tank for this, in defensive stance.

First off, enter the room and Query the big guy. He won't attack. Once he's Queried that has saved you a few secs at the end. See, Querying the mob is like 3-4 seconds. Doing it early has just saved you that much time on him if you get him down low enough where you can smack him.

Now, activate the brazier. He should start lumbering over towards you. Lead him off a little way, and then sic pet on him, with VG on him and active. Stand close enough so you can VG pet, stoneskin and animist bond, but still be in range of the elementals. If you are in a good spot you really only have to move a little to reach pet, and the elementals in time needed.

Now, as you are healing pet or VG etc, dont even bother casting any DD or dots on mob. It isnt worth it at this time. Concentrate on the elementals. As you he grabs each one, QUERY it once. Then Dominate. Once Queried...it is queried the whole fight. You don't have to Query any of the mobs once they have been Queried once. Just have the Query and Dominate on a hotbutton and tab when you see him turn to each. (I had Query on 3 and Dominate on 2 for hotkeying cos that worked best for me.) That should take him down fast....keep an eye on pet. Pet may be getting a little low but its ok..don't panic!! Just concentrate on keeping pet alive thru judicious use of the heal, Bond, VG and stoneskin....get into a rhythm and learn best time to use them. Don't blow mana tho on healing.... VG and Bond used at right times do amazingly well.

Remember Fire and Earth do most dmg to mob....Water will heal you and Air will stop his teleporting and stun if you get it first.

TAB TAB TAB!!!

At about 25-30% I PS'd the pet, and VG, etc....you do NOT WANT MOB TO AGGRO ON YOU. Let pet keep aggro. He will start really turning to the elementals now, so keep on your toes...he can be a bit fast about it. Its kind of a desperation move on his part. This should get him to 10% rather quickly and you can dominate. I hit him with MS and then Dominate.

It may take a few times but it is so much easier this way than it was doing it kiting imho.

Don't be afraid to run to portal to restart either....sometimes I think that they made him random some awful stuns on purpose so we had to do it several times in a row.

Hope this helped some....

Thmy · 03-05-2008, 09:09 PM

Take advantage of the large space in that area during the first stage of the fight -where you have to get in a querry of all the elementals.

If you park the pet WAY back and use pet attack - pet stand down ( pet moves far off) then pet summon. (incase he teleports) you will get to middle part with the pet at full health and extra time to do any pet buffs.

you will lose the STAY point after a summon pet.

The follow the advice here and let pet tank or run in circles.

If you don't miss domination any elements and you get luck on a few fire and earth elementals in a row the fight will go fast.

I did not need to respect any AA's (from my general raid aa settings) or use the healing staff - I used an adept-3 earth pet.

I was ready to do a respect and did have the staff ready and was setting up some macro keys but killed him before needed anthing but the tab key set to target next mob.

I did get killed 9 to 10 times ( mostly from his earth elemental) and left the zone 8+ times when things went wrong.

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Just get the procedure down by playing with it a few times so you are ready when he speeds up the elementals.

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Eniwyn · 03-06-2008, 07:12 AM

I used the strat with the Hydromancer.

Put the pet in heal me-mode(Tho I had to use pet-back off several times because the pet wanted to attack Phrotis), hitting tab when he emoted, turned his elemental against him, and let them kill him. I poured out communion whenever it was ready, to make him busy for a while.

Missed one heal elemental(Heal on him), so it was a long fight, but pretty easy fight(Run around in circles), tho it was a bit harder at the end, when he started spamming. Was lucky to get the fire elemental twice in the end, so it really made him go low. Used Masterstrike all in the end, down to 3%, then dominate. Ding!

It's been a while since my heart was pumping that fast, and it was a fun fight. I did die 5-6 times, from the adds i didnt have time to dominate, but I still used my hydropet, cause I knew it would work in the end, thanks to some strats sent in on this thread.

I used the healing Phylactory on myself too(from JW). Can be a lifesaver when he ports and kicks you sometimes, making your health go low.

Now I only need to get my Mythical version... In my dreams(Or next expansion?)...

Xsirious · 03-06-2008, 03:26 PM

Lady Shai FTW! Hydromancer did the trick. THanks for the original post and thanks for the tips!!

Wasuna · 03-10-2008, 02:24 PM

Is it 10% or 1% you have to get him to to dominate him in the end? I thougt it was 10% and I see mentiones of 3-10% in the thread above.

Eniwyn · 03-10-2008, 03:04 PM

Wasuna wrote:

Is it 10% or 1% you have to get him to to dominate him in the end? I thougt it was 10% and I see mentiones of 3-10% in the thread above.

I dominated him at 3%, i tried at 10%, but he wouldnt alow me. So I am guessing 1-3%. Not that hard, but in the end it is all going fast. Especially when you throw all the nukes at him.

Remember to Query him before he aggroes, just when you zone in. He won't aggro, and you don't need to do it twice. Saves you lots of time.

Shint · 03-12-2008, 12:19 AM

This is fun but frustrating.

I got him down under 10% twice now, but both times I was stifled and killed because he wsa spamming the elements and I couldnt keep up.

Eniwyn · 03-12-2008, 06:02 PM

Maybe hope for a luck of getting the fire-damage on him in the end, togheter with spamming your highest damagespells, Masterstrike, etc. You may want to choose the Sol Ro godspell, Incinerate! Much damage given in one hit there. Then Dominate!

You may die tons of times, but if you get in deep problems, then zone out, instead of getting killed.

Good luck!

Xalmat · 03-13-2008, 02:16 AM

Tried the healer pet approach, seemed to work pretty well for me.It's all about getting into a rhythm as you're kiting him around. I made sure Tab was targeted to cycle targets, and once Phrotis emotes you can tab target the elemental that went active, dominate, and move on. Then once he's down to 10%, dominate him and you win!I'll also recommend getting your cold resist way up there, I was sitting around 8k cold resist and most of his spells (not all) were bouncing. Probably wouldn't hurt to get them to 9 or 10k; you won't need the mana at all if you let the elements do their work.

Muusic · 03-27-2008, 02:48 PM

COMPLETE STUPIDITY!! Why should we have to respec from our raid or fighting specs to kill one mob?? One more example of how SOE has nerfed conji's. This is my 45th try on this [Removed for Content] mob and if you dont get "lucky" and get the elemental to align the right way you're just screwed... Why cant we get an easy epic last quest like the other classes that you can actually get help from friends with? Does SOE think that all conjis are only specced to fight alone and so they gave them an almost impossible quest to get their last weapon? And for those of us on PVP servers we cant even rely on friendly buffs from evil friends..........

Loral · 03-27-2008, 04:53 PM

S1lence2 wrote:

COMPLETE STUPIDITY!! Why should we have to respec from our raid or fighting specs to kill one mob?? One more example of how SOE has nerfed conji's. This is my 45th try on this [I cannot control my vocabulary] mob and if you dont get "lucky" and get the elemental to align the right way you're just screwed... Why cant we get an easy epic last quest like the other classes that you can actually get help from friends with? Does SOE think that all conjis are only specced to fight alone and so they gave them an almost impossible quest to get their last weapon? And for those of us on PVP servers we cant even rely on friendly buffs from evil friends..........

Oh no! I cannot afford the 20g20c that it will cost me to respec to a solo setup, then back to my raid setup. Less so if I grab the class respec card! What will happen to me? I cannot afford that much money to get an Epic weapon as a raider!

geeez!

You don't HAVE to respec. There are other ways. It's just that doing so will maximise your success chances. I much prefer that Phrotis fight than the first versions of Pirate Jones (swashbuckler's last battle). If you really tried and failed 45 times, maybe you need to rethink your current strategy, as something is obiviously not working right.

Also... Do I read you right that you want an EASY epic? You've never been an EQ1 Magician haven't you? This quest is a nerfed down parody in difficulty in comparison. If it was only up to me, I would have liked a much longuer quest, sending you all around the Old World and all expansions (Kunarks comes with all exp included anyway). At least we don't have to harvest 10 metal rares, like Troubadours have. All in all, I would almost say we have one of the easier Epic.

Gormak · 03-30-2008, 03:39 AM

Loralor@Guk wrote:

Also... Do I read you right that you want an EASY epic? You've never been an EQ1 Magician haven't you? This quest is a nerfed down parody in difficulty in comparison. If it was only up to me, I would have liked a much longuer quest, sending you all around the Old World and all expansions (Kunarks comes with all exp included anyway). At least we don't have to harvest 10 metal rares, like Troubadours have. All in all, I would almost say we have one of the easier Epic.

While i wasnt a Mage in EQ1 (was a Ranger), i agree here, this quest, really isnt that difficult. You can complete it (well up to Phrotis) basically by doing your zone by zone gear farms.

Protis. What a pain in the ..... butt.

The thing of this encounter (i spent about 6 hours on it before beating it - many < 10% failures). As stated, if you get to the element spamming stage, its luck. I got 3 consecutive Fire elements.... Yay epic. 2 consecutive Air elements makes this very hard. Miss a single air in that <10% phase, Its game over. You do need some luck in those final stages to get it to happen.

I respecced to Hydromancer, I wasnt impressed. I used the Kiting Strat, very simple if you pay careful attention to your emotes.

At about 15-20% health, send in tank pet (be specced sta, and stoneskins), make sure to use that tank aggro amplifier aa (forget name) and he should stick to Protis. Now you can basically keep stoneskins on pet, heal pet while tabbing the elements, Protis is now stationary, so he wont be after you. This relies on your tank not having to do his job for more than say 2 mins, at 15%, the fight should be over soon if you dont make a mistake. Prior to that 15-20% Mark, have (tank) pet set to passive. You wont be needing it for a while. Kite Kite Kite.

I had trouble targetting elements at times, dont panic, there seems to be a relatively lenghtly window for dominate.... just pray as your casting it he doesnt call an air element.

Riggly · 03-30-2008, 12:36 PM

Felishanna@Antonia Bayle wrote:

OOC.
This encounter is besting me at the moment, as in everything I try results in Suzanna dieing or needing to zone out before she dies, so I am looking for helpful advice, if there is any. However, note that I am casually equipped, and Suzanna has no raidgear and (almost) no master spells, it's standard questgear from outdoor ROK solo zones and adept III spells, and the occasional drop from an instance, so any advice based on having raidgear effects and master-powered pets/spells isn't going to help.
For me, I quickly ruled out any approach based on kiting. I am an awful kiter as a conjuror, I have no run speed and the fiddly-ness of the targetting issues described below is bad enough without running around as well. I did try kiting anyway a few times to start with, having been advised that tanking wouldn't work, and got absolutely nowhere, so abandoned it in favour of what I know and do best - tanking with the Earth pet.
With my Ad3 Earth Pet in defensive, with 4488 in the STA line (stronger earth pet, and perceptors command for aggro) and 44882 in the WIS line (animists bond as well as the pet ability improvements), I have had phrotis as low as 25%-30%. Aggro control is difficult but possible with blazing manifestation and perceptors command, tho Suzanna did die a couple of times due to taking aggro after perceptors command was resisted, however, if I pay attention to it, aggro shouldn't really be an issue for me.
Keeping the pet alive is very very hard indeed, as the Ad3 pet heal is struggling (even with 5 APs in it), and using vehement skin and planeshift only made it a little better, but animist's bond helps more. The time I got to 25%, the pet died, and thats why I lost that particular attempt. I could I suppose waste two respecs on the hydromancer pet, which I don't have. I may be forced to try that if I can find no other way.
However, the main issue I had was in recognizing quickly enough that an elemental has been awoken, and then (even more seriously) actually targettting the darn thing quickly enough to be able to dominate it (or query/dominate it if its the first time for that elemental).
That line of text amongst all the other spam is hard to spot, and watching text instead of doing everything else one has to do in this fight is almost impossible (for me), so I watch for Phrotis turning toward the elementals. This is, however, rather hit and miss, as he moves around a little during the fight, and at some point will be facing towards one of them anyway.
Targetting the elementals by mouse (my prefered default method) is stupidly hard, as they seem to only have a few pixels of size to click on, so I just kept missing and needing to re-click, wasting time leading to a missed check. I went for the macros option suggested in the Epic Help thread. However, this too proved unreliable, as so often the target didn't work for some reason and the dominate just fired against the current target (phrotis) instead, again, resulting in a missed check. I tried making a single macro with /target lines for all 4 elements followed by a 5th line to dominate, but that just plain didnt seem to work at all.
For the last few attempts I re-mapped TAB to cycle through targets instead of it's default "select nearest", and that helped a lot, certainly far more reliable than /target macros were (for me).
I actually managed on my last attempt to never miss a single element reaction!! However, I still lost, as after a very long fight indeed, with Phrotis at about 30% health, my pet was on 5% health and I was out of power from all the chain healing, so had to zone out.
After about 25 attempts in the last few hours, and not even getting close, time to leave it for a day I think. It's extremely frustrating though!!
So, any advice from those who may have completed this (preferably who are not just managing it via access to better gear/spells), would be appreciated.
Regards,

If your going to tank it. Be sure and prepare to resummon your pet. I suggest you fully specc for recast speed of primary pet and everything else required. When the timing is right and the named is far enough away, simply snare him port your pet to you, sack the pet, and then recast it, planar shift, taunt and resume. Your not going to be able to do this all at once, but if you keep trying this way eventually you will get lucky and complete it. Good Luck,Riggly

Xalmat · 03-30-2008, 02:06 PM

Gormak wrote:

At about 15-20% health, send in tank pet

You know, I didn't find this necessary at all. Whenever you use the Fire element on Phrotis, his HP drops by 15%. For me that meant he went down from 24% to 9% in one shot, and as soon as he dropped that far I could dominate him pretty much instantly.

Rayche · 03-31-2008, 03:10 PM

Got him on my 3rd try, mostly because the first two I had a lot of distractions.If you are accustomed to kiting mobs from EQ1, this is a cakewalk. (No offense... it will take some getting used to if you haven't kited a lot, that's all, but if you have, it's the same old drill...)Only need to query each element once, then just dominate at will. Put yourself on auto-run and use your mouse to look behind you, tab the element when he tries to activate it, dominate and keep running. He moves so slow you'd have to be afk for like 10 seconds before he'd even catch you.Once he gets low enough to start spamming the elements you can just stand there and spam dominate until he's flattened... I dominated him at 1% because he owned himself with two fire elements back to back.I had my fire pet up at first, just for burst DPS (Didn't have my Hydromancer spec on at the moment) and lost him within the first 10 seconds because I wasn't paying attention to the pet. Ran it petless from there.

Loral · 04-04-2008, 02:03 PM

Got it on first try yesterday.

Had my standard solo/group AA setup, 3.8k cold resist and my tank pet. Never had to use the pet.

I simply moved around, refreshing WoV and swarm pets and keeping an eye for his emote. When he emote, face the pot, press tab, Dominate (Query for the first time around each elemental), retarget Phrotis, turn around and get away. After a moment, you get in a pattern.

Only thing I would do different would be to have more cold resist. I resisted the nuke alot, but the couple of shots that passed throu made me pray for a Water Elemental as the next emote. Other than that, this fight is pretty cake IMHO.

Mathaleus · 04-30-2008, 10:23 AM

This is really a simple fight if you set up your specs right...Respec to full defensive in WIS and full HP and the taunt in STR.

Park your pet in front of the named, and then place yourselve next to the brazier so that you can TAB target any elementals. Then just stand there and examine the brazier to start the event.

Send in your pet to attack using an initial buffing of Blazing Presence, then just back him off. (You can have the pet keep attacking, but back him off when he hits half health, at which point his regen will outdo any damage the named does to him) Spam the pet taunt on the named EVERY time it's up...and hit the ol' Tab key every time he brings an elemental to life. By just standing here, you don't have to worry about missing one of the elementals...which are fine if you miss 1, but if you get hit by the air, you're done.

Keep doing this until he's dead...the fire and earth elementals are enough to kill him. Whatever you do, don't cast on the named though since this won't work if you get aggro and die. It doesn't take long to do really, and is pretty much an Easy button for this last fight.

Alizee · 05-03-2008, 01:05 AM

hmmm I go try SMILEY

Alizee · 05-03-2008, 09:18 AM

Dont work all time dead i think stop this quest all monney pass on repair totaly boring !!! i finish Inquisitor and Illusionist epic and not too hard ; for conjuror it's totaly crasy

SilkenKidden · 05-03-2008, 11:20 AM

Daghammerskold wrote:

I went thru basically the same process as you. I'm not a kiter, I'm not even that good of a soloer for a conj. I pet-tanked Phrotis and tab-targeted the elementals.After many failed attempts I respec'd to STA and WIS just like you have them. I also respec'd the EoF tree to get the Hydromancer and all the stoneskins I could. Get the 2-hit stoneskin for all group members because it works on the pet. That will give your pet 8 stoneskin procs. If you start with the pet-only one, the faster recast spec means you can cast it twice during the fight. Between that and Animist bond you can save your pet a lot of damage. Also the Hydromancer will heal your tank pet while Communion is running.If power is an issue, get some clarity potions, manastone, maybe even have a friendly necro cast you some hearts before you go in.

I have the hydromancer available to me, but I never see her in communtion. Funny, I do see a corruption in my flame pet's name. It always shows on a double line with the earth pet's name, as if the earth pet has come up in communtion even when he is primary. That I don't mind, but I'd love to see the hydromancer appearing. I re-spec'd my AA in order to get her. (Have stoneskin and Unabate too.) How do I get her to show up in communtion.

I'm not up to this part of the epic but it's nice to see the advice and that you achieved it, because I've been dreading it. Like the O/P I'm no kiter. I don't do arcade games well at all. Congratulations to you and good luck to the O/P.

03-02-2008, 10:54 AM	#1
Caethre Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,167	OOC. This encounter is besting me at the moment, as in everything I try results in Suzanna dieing or needing to zone out before she dies, so I am looking for helpful advice, if there is any. However, note that I am casually equipped, and Suzanna has no raidgear and (almost) no master spells, it's standard questgear from outdoor ROK solo zones and adept III spells, and the occasional drop from an instance, so any advice based on having raidgear effects and master-powered pets/spells isn't going to help. For me, I quickly ruled out any approach based on kiting. I am an awful kiter as a conjuror, I have no run speed and the fiddly-ness of the targetting issues described below is bad enough without running around as well. I did try kiting anyway a few times to start with, having been advised that tanking wouldn't work, and got absolutely nowhere, so abandoned it in favour of what I know and do best - tanking with the Earth pet. With my Ad3 Earth Pet in defensive, with 4488 in the STA line (stronger earth pet, and perceptors command for aggro) and 44882 in the WIS line (animists bond as well as the pet ability improvements), I have had phrotis as low as 25%-30%. Aggro control is difficult but possible with blazing manifestation and perceptors command, tho Suzanna did die a couple of times due to taking aggro after perceptors command was resisted, however, if I pay attention to it, aggro shouldn't really be an issue for me. Keeping the pet alive is very very hard indeed, as the Ad3 pet heal is struggling (even with 5 APs in it), and using vehement skin and planeshift only made it a little better, but animist's bond helps more. The time I got to 25%, the pet died, and thats why I lost that particular attempt. I could I suppose waste two respecs on the hydromancer pet, which I don't have. I may be forced to try that if I can find no other way. However, the main issue I had was in recognizing quickly enough that an elemental has been awoken, and then (even more seriously) actually targettting the darn thing quickly enough to be able to dominate it (or query/dominate it if its the first time for that elemental). That line of text amongst all the other spam is hard to spot, and watching text instead of doing everything else one has to do in this fight is almost impossible (for me), so I watch for Phrotis turning toward the elementals. This is, however, rather hit and miss, as he moves around a little during the fight, and at some point will be facing towards one of them anyway. Targetting the elementals by mouse (my prefered default method) is stupidly hard, as they seem to only have a few pixels of size to click on, so I just kept missing and needing to re-click, wasting time leading to a missed check. I went for the macros option suggested in the Epic Help thread. However, this too proved unreliable, as so often the target didn't work for some reason and the dominate just fired against the current target (phrotis) instead, again, resulting in a missed check. I tried making a single macro with /target lines for all 4 elements followed by a 5th line to dominate, but that just plain didnt seem to work at all. For the last few attempts I re-mapped TAB to cycle through targets instead of it's default "select nearest", and that helped a lot, certainly far more reliable than /target macros were (for me). I actually managed on my last attempt to never miss a single element reaction!! However, I still lost, as after a very long fight indeed, with Phrotis at about 30% health, my pet was on 5% health and I was out of power from all the chain healing, so had to zone out. After about 25 attempts in the last few hours, and not even getting close, time to leave it for a day I think. It's extremely frustrating though!! So, any advice from those who may have completed this (preferably who are not just managing it via access to better gear/spells), would be appreciated. Regards, __________________ Countess Felishanna Silorielenwe [92/320 Templar\|92 Sage](Koada`Dal) Lady Lorianna Ardinwena [92/320 Monk\|92 Carpenter](Koada`Dal) Lady Suzanna Narinyaare [92/320 Conjuror\|92 Woodworker](Koada`Dal) Lady Annaelisa Lorinfinlinde [92/320 Fury\|92 Tailor](Koada`Dal) Lady Silvianna [92/320 Illusionist\|92 Jeweler](Koada`Dal) Jennianna [92/320 Dirge\|92 Weaponsmith](Koada`Dal) Aurielle [92/320 Wizard\|92 Alchemist](Koada`Dal) Valerianna [92/320 Guardian\|92 Armourer](Koada`Dal) Sarahanna [92/320 Swashbuckler\|92 Provisioner](Koada`Dal) Katherianna [92/286 Beserker\|92 Sage](Koada`Dal) Guildleader of The True Path - A roleplay-based guild (level 77) on Antonia Bayle

03-02-2008, 03:11 PM	#3
Xsirious Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 21	Are you using the Yeddahd's staff? I think this is going to be one time I will pull it out of mothballs. __________________

03-02-2008, 04:49 PM	#4
Caethre Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,167	Xsirious wrote: Are you using the Yeddahd's staff? I think this is going to be one time I will pull it out of mothballs. OOC.I'd never even heard of that ... had to look it up on google. If you mean Yeddahd's Caduceus, not something I own I'm afraid. Though seeing that it has a 40% pet heal clicky on it (recast ~ 15mins?) I can see that it might very well help those who have it, so it's a good suggestion. __________________ Countess Felishanna Silorielenwe [92/320 Templar\|92 Sage](Koada`Dal) Lady Lorianna Ardinwena [92/320 Monk\|92 Carpenter](Koada`Dal) Lady Suzanna Narinyaare [92/320 Conjuror\|92 Woodworker](Koada`Dal) Lady Annaelisa Lorinfinlinde [92/320 Fury\|92 Tailor](Koada`Dal) Lady Silvianna [92/320 Illusionist\|92 Jeweler](Koada`Dal) Jennianna [92/320 Dirge\|92 Weaponsmith](Koada`Dal) Aurielle [92/320 Wizard\|92 Alchemist](Koada`Dal) Valerianna [92/320 Guardian\|92 Armourer](Koada`Dal) Sarahanna [92/320 Swashbuckler\|92 Provisioner](Koada`Dal) Katherianna [92/286 Beserker\|92 Sage](Koada`Dal) Guildleader of The True Path - A roleplay-based guild (level 77) on Antonia Bayle

03-02-2008, 06:52 PM	#5
Xsirious Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 21	Aye, that's the ticket. I'm wondering if any of the RoK questwear that says 'heals group for xxx' assists the pet. There is also a post here that talks about 4 items that have stoneskin on them or somesuch. I think I will be looking into those as well. Even one or two could make it happen.The staff was a solo item. I would guess you need a character of the right level to mentor to currently. But, the camp is well documented on the web. You could have the staff in one afternoon with a bit o luck.Is there alot of room to move about in this encounter? I can see where some WoV and pet kiting might be necessary. Or, is it real close like the Shackle quests in KJ? __________________

03-02-2008, 09:38 PM	#6
Lader Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 591	i know you said you tried it and couldnt quite get the hang of it, but kiting is really the optimal way to do this fight. i tried pet tanking it and doing dmg myself, and it wouldnt work for me, period. even planeshifted i ripped off my pet easily, not sure if he has a memwipe thing or something. You should be able to keep your pet up long enough for the first cycle of query/dominate. After that its simply running in a circle. the mob is fairly slow, and frigid winds should turn him to a crawl. When he emotes, he pauses for a second, and only one of the elements becomes targettable, so your tab will only target that element. with his pause you have plenty of time to get it dominated and take a few steps back. As his hp gets lower and lower he emotes faster. At bout 20% he is nonstop emoting, standing perfectly still and you dont have to move anymore. let fire get him to 1% and dominate. you dont even need a pet casted for this method after it dies, except if you need power to sprint or something if he gets too close. just hold down the right mouse button and an arrow of your choice (or letter if thats how you roll) and when you see blue words press tab, dominate and continue. sometimes he will port to you and stun you. if that happens during an emote, pretty much your only option is to start over. __________________ -Thanatosis: 90 defiler of Oasis

03-02-2008, 02:46 PM	#2
Daghammerskold Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 176	I went thru basically the same process as you. I'm not a kiter, I'm not even that good of a soloer for a conj. I pet-tanked Phrotis and tab-targeted the elementals.After many failed attempts I respec'd to STA and WIS just like you have them. I also respec'd the EoF tree to get the Hydromancer and all the stoneskins I could. Get the 2-hit stoneskin for all group members because it works on the pet. That will give your pet 8 stoneskin procs. If you start with the pet-only one, the faster recast spec means you can cast it twice during the fight. Between that and Animist bond you can save your pet a lot of damage. Also the Hydromancer will heal your tank pet while Communion is running.If power is an issue, get some clarity potions, manastone, maybe even have a friendly necro cast you some hearts before you go in.

03-02-2008, 11:55 PM	#7
Caethre Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,167	Lader wrote: You should be able to keep your pet up long enough for the first cycle of query/dominate. After that its simply running in a circle. the mob is fairly slow, and frigid winds should turn him to a crawl. When he emotes, he pauses for a second, and only one of the elements becomes targettable, so your tab will only target that element. with his pause you have plenty of time to get it dominated and take a few steps back. As his hp gets lower and lower he emotes faster. At bout 20% he is nonstop emoting, standing perfectly still and you dont have to move anymore. let fire get him to 1% and dominate. OOC. You know, Lader, I read that and thought, nah, won't work for me, I'm awful at kiting and I know it. But then again, what had I to lose, so what the heck, I tried the basic approach you suggested. It worked quite well, I did lose the pet but kited on for a good few minutes, before I missed a TAB and was hammered by the summoned earth minion. The main issue I was having was that I have been playing for years with right hand on mouse, left on arrow keys on keyboard for driving, and anything else would just not work for me. The issue with the TAB is that it upset how I usually play, so under pressure I was fumbling, and fumbling is 'bad' hehe. So despite it being 2am and my being tired, I thought, one more try, but I'll try to bind the TAB key to a macro and make it a hotkey, so I can put it on a hotkeybar next to Dominate, and thereby keep my right hand on the mouse at all times (which is never going to make me fumble). After asking in channel, the command I needed turned out to be: /target_next_npc With these two hotkeys set up, I had one more try. I quieried Phrotis before starting. I left the pet on follow-me but on protect-me as well. I started out by triggering the event from far away, and then sending the pet in to attack him, blazing from the outset to lock aggro on the pet. I continued pet tanking as usual, spamming heals, vehement skin, animist bond, perceptors command and blazing manifestation. In this way, I managed to get a full cycle of the four elementals all queried and dominated once. This done, I hit pet-back off, and started running in a wide circle around the brazier, keeping Phrotis targetted, my pet still alive and running behind me (and taking his occasional hit, at least to start with) and now I started watching the text. On seeing his emote, I kept running for a couple of seconds (whilst the element becomes targettable), then stopped, faced the brazier to get all 4 elements in sight, then hit the "target next npc" hotkey folowed by the Dominate hotkey, both using the mouse, and then immediately set off circling again. This went on for .. an age. Got him to 20%, then missed a water event somehow, he was back at ~75%, and then got him to 20% again, and missed another (was fire or water, I was lucky not to miss air or earth). But then he dipped under 10%, I hit Dominate and WHAM it was over, Epic in hand. Can't believe it, haven't stopped shaking from the tension (I did say I hate kiting), but that was one killer suggestion Lader, and I'd suggest others who are struggling but hate kiting (like me) just to give it a shot. Regards, __________________ Countess Felishanna Silorielenwe [92/320 Templar\|92 Sage](Koada`Dal) Lady Lorianna Ardinwena [92/320 Monk\|92 Carpenter](Koada`Dal) Lady Suzanna Narinyaare [92/320 Conjuror\|92 Woodworker](Koada`Dal) Lady Annaelisa Lorinfinlinde [92/320 Fury\|92 Tailor](Koada`Dal) Lady Silvianna [92/320 Illusionist\|92 Jeweler](Koada`Dal) Jennianna [92/320 Dirge\|92 Weaponsmith](Koada`Dal) Aurielle [92/320 Wizard\|92 Alchemist](Koada`Dal) Valerianna [92/320 Guardian\|92 Armourer](Koada`Dal) Sarahanna [92/320 Swashbuckler\|92 Provisioner](Koada`Dal) Katherianna [92/286 Beserker\|92 Sage](Koada`Dal) Guildleader of The True Path - A roleplay-based guild (level 77) on Antonia Bayle

03-03-2008, 06:07 PM	#8
Xsirious Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 21	Grats! looks like you got some good advise. Im going to use this too. __________________

03-03-2008, 09:52 PM	#9
Gunsod Lord Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 5	I am another terrible kiter... and this was not the encounter to practice on! I followed a lot of steps mentioned in this thread and a couple of others: * respecced aa for tank pet / stoneskins / hydromancer (comes out with communion) etc* used Yeddahd's Caduceus for the 40% pet heal* equipped stoneskin and heal proc gear (mainly from RoK quests)* used tab to target elements as they became active (but I got the hang of clicking on them with practice)* saved elemental unity until mob was around 40%* avoided dpsing mob, used power for stoneskins / pet heals etc - let the fire/earth kill it but cast communion when available for the hydromancer (not worth much but it helped a little)* zoned out when I was too slow and one of the elements activated - save unnesicary deaths It took a few goes even once I got all this, but I was able to pet tank the whole fight and did not die after I started using this strategy __________________ 80 Conjurer - Gunfae 72 Guardian - Gunsod 32 Mystic - Gunward Southern Cross Guild on Najena

03-04-2008, 08:39 AM	#10
Bakual Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Suhr / Schweiz Posts: 1,864	I tried it with different approaches, with earth pet and fire pet. Neither worked. I then decided to take the water pet, I made sure that Phrotis has aggro on me (with our snare spell) rather than on the pet and just run away. He is awefully slow, even without being snared. So I just kept him as far away from his elementals as possible so I had time to run back, targetting with TAB and dominate/query. Worked everytime. When he hit me once my pet healed me back up. I didn't do damage at him at all, except for some high aggro spells that will keep him running after me. He got killed by his own minions. My hearth was beating with like 260 hits per minute but I succeed I think kiting him is by far the best and easiest approach. __________________

03-04-2008, 02:33 PM	#11
Lady Shai Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Kelethin Posts: 260	You guys are really making this a bit too hard...its not as complicated as what you all are thinking. When I did it, I did w/out kiting. Kiting didnt work for me. People said...Kite!! Kite!!! Many many times I tried and it didnt work. I was so frustrated. Then I realized after talking to a few people...this strategy, and it works. I respecced my summoner tree to wisdom. Full animist bond, and that was about it there. I then respecced my conji line to put max points in VG, heal, stoneskin for both me and pet. I then put points into the tank pet, and then down to planeshift, 5 points. I used my AD3 tank for this, in defensive stance. First off, enter the room and Query the big guy. He won't attack. Once he's Queried that has saved you a few secs at the end. See, Querying the mob is like 3-4 seconds. Doing it early has just saved you that much time on him if you get him down low enough where you can smack him. Now, activate the brazier. He should start lumbering over towards you. Lead him off a little way, and then sic pet on him, with VG on him and active. Stand close enough so you can VG pet, stoneskin and animist bond, but still be in range of the elementals. If you are in a good spot you really only have to move a little to reach pet, and the elementals in time needed. Now, as you are healing pet or VG etc, dont even bother casting any DD or dots on mob. It isnt worth it at this time. Concentrate on the elementals. As you he grabs each one, QUERY it once. Then Dominate. Once Queried...it is queried the whole fight. You don't have to Query any of the mobs once they have been Queried once. Just have the Query and Dominate on a hotbutton and tab when you see him turn to each. (I had Query on 3 and Dominate on 2 for hotkeying cos that worked best for me.) That should take him down fast....keep an eye on pet. Pet may be getting a little low but its ok..don't panic!! Just concentrate on keeping pet alive thru judicious use of the heal, Bond, VG and stoneskin....get into a rhythm and learn best time to use them. Don't blow mana tho on healing.... VG and Bond used at right times do amazingly well. Remember Fire and Earth do most dmg to mob....Water will heal you and Air will stop his teleporting and stun if you get it first. TAB TAB TAB!!! At about 25-30% I PS'd the pet, and VG, etc....you do NOT WANT MOB TO AGGRO ON YOU. Let pet keep aggro. He will start really turning to the elementals now, so keep on your toes...he can be a bit fast about it. Its kind of a desperation move on his part. This should get him to 10% rather quickly and you can dominate. I hit him with MS and then Dominate. It may take a few times but it is so much easier this way than it was doing it kiting imho. Don't be afraid to run to portal to restart either....sometimes I think that they made him random some awful stuns on purpose so we had to do it several times in a row. Hope this helped some....

03-05-2008, 09:09 PM	#12
Thmy Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 258	Take advantage of the large space in that area during the first stage of the fight -where you have to get in a querry of all the elementals. If you park the pet WAY back and use pet attack - pet stand down ( pet moves far off) then pet summon. (incase he teleports) you will get to middle part with the pet at full health and extra time to do any pet buffs. you will lose the STAY point after a summon pet. The follow the advice here and let pet tank or run in circles. If you don't miss domination any elements and you get luck on a few fire and earth elementals in a row the fight will go fast. I did not need to respect any AA's (from my general raid aa settings) or use the healing staff - I used an adept-3 earth pet. I was ready to do a respect and did have the staff ready and was setting up some macro keys but killed him before needed anthing but the tab key set to target next mob. I did get killed 9 to 10 times ( mostly from his earth elemental) and left the zone 8+ times when things went wrong. ------------------------- Just get the procedure down by playing with it a few times so you are ready when he speeds up the elementals. ---------------------------

03-06-2008, 07:12 AM	#13
Eniwyn Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 71	I used the strat with the Hydromancer. Put the pet in heal me-mode(Tho I had to use pet-back off several times because the pet wanted to attack Phrotis), hitting tab when he emoted, turned his elemental against him, and let them kill him. I poured out communion whenever it was ready, to make him busy for a while. Missed one heal elemental(Heal on him), so it was a long fight, but pretty easy fight(Run around in circles), tho it was a bit harder at the end, when he started spamming. Was lucky to get the fire elemental twice in the end, so it really made him go low. Used Masterstrike all in the end, down to 3%, then dominate. Ding! It's been a while since my heart was pumping that fast, and it was a fun fight. I did die 5-6 times, from the adds i didnt have time to dominate, but I still used my hydropet, cause I knew it would work in the end, thanks to some strats sent in on this thread. I used the healing Phylactory on myself too(from JW). Can be a lifesaver when he ports and kicks you sometimes, making your health go low. Now I only need to get my Mythical version... In my dreams(Or next expansion?)...

03-06-2008, 03:26 PM	#14
Xsirious Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 21	Lady Shai FTW! Hydromancer did the trick. THanks for the original post and thanks for the tips!! __________________

03-10-2008, 02:24 PM	#15
Wasuna Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,222	Is it 10% or 1% you have to get him to to dominate him in the end? I thougt it was 10% and I see mentiones of 3-10% in the thread above. __________________ The definition of Crazy is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

03-10-2008, 03:04 PM	#16
Eniwyn Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 71	Wasuna wrote: Is it 10% or 1% you have to get him to to dominate him in the end? I thougt it was 10% and I see mentiones of 3-10% in the thread above. I dominated him at 3%, i tried at 10%, but he wouldnt alow me. So I am guessing 1-3%. Not that hard, but in the end it is all going fast. Especially when you throw all the nukes at him. Remember to Query him before he aggroes, just when you zone in. He won't aggro, and you don't need to do it twice. Saves you lots of time.

03-12-2008, 12:19 AM	#17
Shint General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 31	This is fun but frustrating. I got him down under 10% twice now, but both times I was stifled and killed because he wsa spamming the elements and I couldnt keep up. __________________

03-12-2008, 06:02 PM	#18
Eniwyn Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 71	Maybe hope for a luck of getting the fire-damage on him in the end, togheter with spamming your highest damagespells, Masterstrike, etc. You may want to choose the Sol Ro godspell, Incinerate! Much damage given in one hit there. Then Dominate! You may die tons of times, but if you get in deep problems, then zone out, instead of getting killed. Good luck!

03-13-2008, 02:16 AM	#19
Xalmat EQ2Achieve.com Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 5,895	Tried the healer pet approach, seemed to work pretty well for me.It's all about getting into a rhythm as you're kiting him around. I made sure Tab was targeted to cycle targets, and once Phrotis emotes you can tab target the elemental that went active, dominate, and move on. Then once he's down to 10%, dominate him and you win!I'll also recommend getting your cold resist way up there, I was sitting around 8k cold resist and most of his spells (not all) were bouncing. Probably wouldn't hurt to get them to 9 or 10k; you won't need the mana at all if you let the elements do their work. __________________ EQ2Achieve - Your guide to all EverQuest II Achievements

03-27-2008, 02:48 PM	#20
Muusic Server: Venekor Guild: New Age Rank: Leaders Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 295	COMPLETE STUPIDITY!! Why should we have to respec from our raid or fighting specs to kill one mob?? One more example of how SOE has nerfed conji's. This is my 45th try on this [Removed for Content] mob and if you dont get "lucky" and get the elemental to align the right way you're just screwed... Why cant we get an easy epic last quest like the other classes that you can actually get help from friends with? Does SOE think that all conjis are only specced to fight alone and so they gave them an almost impossible quest to get their last weapon? And for those of us on PVP servers we cant even rely on friendly buffs from evil friends.......... __________________ Muusic 92-320AA Troub/92 Grandmaster Jeweler-Venekor born Muusic 92-320AA Troub/92 Grandmaster Jeweler-Antonia Bayle Imyourr 92-320AA Dirge/92 Grandmaster Tailor-Venekor born Wecanbe 92 - 320AA Warden/92 Grandmaster Provisioner Myndtrixx 92/320AA Illusionist - Antonia bayle Avithax 92 - 320AA Shadowknight - Nagafen Silencess 92-320AA Conji/92 Grandmaster Sage- Venekor born Alisylent 92/320AA Ranger/92 Grandmaster Weaponsmith- Antonia Bayle Amphlify 92 - 320AA Dirge Antonia Bayle Smiiles 92-320AA Monk/92 Grandmaster Jeweler-Antonia Bayle Avithax 92 - 320AA Shadowknight/92 Grandmaster Alchemist - Antonia Bayle Playforr - 92/320AA Defiler - Antonia Bayle

03-27-2008, 04:53 PM	#21
Loral General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 614	S1lence2 wrote: COMPLETE STUPIDITY!! Why should we have to respec from our raid or fighting specs to kill one mob?? One more example of how SOE has nerfed conji's. This is my 45th try on this [I cannot control my vocabulary] mob and if you dont get "lucky" and get the elemental to align the right way you're just screwed... Why cant we get an easy epic last quest like the other classes that you can actually get help from friends with? Does SOE think that all conjis are only specced to fight alone and so they gave them an almost impossible quest to get their last weapon? And for those of us on PVP servers we cant even rely on friendly buffs from evil friends.......... Oh no! I cannot afford the 20g20c that it will cost me to respec to a solo setup, then back to my raid setup. Less so if I grab the class respec card! What will happen to me? I cannot afford that much money to get an Epic weapon as a raider! geeez! You don't HAVE to respec. There are other ways. It's just that doing so will maximise your success chances. I much prefer that Phrotis fight than the first versions of Pirate Jones (swashbuckler's last battle). If you really tried and failed 45 times, maybe you need to rethink your current strategy, as something is obiviously not working right. Also... Do I read you right that you want an EASY epic? You've never been an EQ1 Magician haven't you? This quest is a nerfed down parody in difficulty in comparison. If it was only up to me, I would have liked a much longuer quest, sending you all around the Old World and all expansions (Kunarks comes with all exp included anyway). At least we don't have to harvest 10 metal rares, like Troubadours have. All in all, I would almost say we have one of the easier Epic. __________________

03-30-2008, 03:39 AM	#22
Gormak Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 199	Loralor@Guk wrote: Also... Do I read you right that you want an EASY epic? You've never been an EQ1 Magician haven't you? This quest is a nerfed down parody in difficulty in comparison. If it was only up to me, I would have liked a much longuer quest, sending you all around the Old World and all expansions (Kunarks comes with all exp included anyway). At least we don't have to harvest 10 metal rares, like Troubadours have. All in all, I would almost say we have one of the easier Epic. While i wasnt a Mage in EQ1 (was a Ranger), i agree here, this quest, really isnt that difficult. You can complete it (well up to Phrotis) basically by doing your zone by zone gear farms. Protis. What a pain in the ..... butt. The thing of this encounter (i spent about 6 hours on it before beating it - many < 10% failures). As stated, if you get to the element spamming stage, its luck. I got 3 consecutive Fire elements.... Yay epic. 2 consecutive Air elements makes this very hard. Miss a single air in that <10% phase, Its game over. You do need some luck in those final stages to get it to happen. I respecced to Hydromancer, I wasnt impressed. I used the Kiting Strat, very simple if you pay careful attention to your emotes. At about 15-20% health, send in tank pet (be specced sta, and stoneskins), make sure to use that tank aggro amplifier aa (forget name) and he should stick to Protis. Now you can basically keep stoneskins on pet, heal pet while tabbing the elements, Protis is now stationary, so he wont be after you. This relies on your tank not having to do his job for more than say 2 mins, at 15%, the fight should be over soon if you dont make a mistake. Prior to that 15-20% Mark, have (tank) pet set to passive. You wont be needing it for a while. Kite Kite Kite. I had trouble targetting elements at times, dont panic, there seems to be a relatively lenghtly window for dominate.... just pray as your casting it he doesnt call an air element.

03-30-2008, 12:36 PM	#23
Riggly Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 97	Felishanna@Antonia Bayle wrote: OOC. This encounter is besting me at the moment, as in everything I try results in Suzanna dieing or needing to zone out before she dies, so I am looking for helpful advice, if there is any. However, note that I am casually equipped, and Suzanna has no raidgear and (almost) no master spells, it's standard questgear from outdoor ROK solo zones and adept III spells, and the occasional drop from an instance, so any advice based on having raidgear effects and master-powered pets/spells isn't going to help. For me, I quickly ruled out any approach based on kiting. I am an awful kiter as a conjuror, I have no run speed and the fiddly-ness of the targetting issues described below is bad enough without running around as well. I did try kiting anyway a few times to start with, having been advised that tanking wouldn't work, and got absolutely nowhere, so abandoned it in favour of what I know and do best - tanking with the Earth pet. With my Ad3 Earth Pet in defensive, with 4488 in the STA line (stronger earth pet, and perceptors command for aggro) and 44882 in the WIS line (animists bond as well as the pet ability improvements), I have had phrotis as low as 25%-30%. Aggro control is difficult but possible with blazing manifestation and perceptors command, tho Suzanna did die a couple of times due to taking aggro after perceptors command was resisted, however, if I pay attention to it, aggro shouldn't really be an issue for me. Keeping the pet alive is very very hard indeed, as the Ad3 pet heal is struggling (even with 5 APs in it), and using vehement skin and planeshift only made it a little better, but animist's bond helps more. The time I got to 25%, the pet died, and thats why I lost that particular attempt. I could I suppose waste two respecs on the hydromancer pet, which I don't have. I may be forced to try that if I can find no other way. However, the main issue I had was in recognizing quickly enough that an elemental has been awoken, and then (even more seriously) actually targettting the darn thing quickly enough to be able to dominate it (or query/dominate it if its the first time for that elemental). That line of text amongst all the other spam is hard to spot, and watching text instead of doing everything else one has to do in this fight is almost impossible (for me), so I watch for Phrotis turning toward the elementals. This is, however, rather hit and miss, as he moves around a little during the fight, and at some point will be facing towards one of them anyway. Targetting the elementals by mouse (my prefered default method) is stupidly hard, as they seem to only have a few pixels of size to click on, so I just kept missing and needing to re-click, wasting time leading to a missed check. I went for the macros option suggested in the Epic Help thread. However, this too proved unreliable, as so often the target didn't work for some reason and the dominate just fired against the current target (phrotis) instead, again, resulting in a missed check. I tried making a single macro with /target lines for all 4 elements followed by a 5th line to dominate, but that just plain didnt seem to work at all. For the last few attempts I re-mapped TAB to cycle through targets instead of it's default "select nearest", and that helped a lot, certainly far more reliable than /target macros were (for me). I actually managed on my last attempt to never miss a single element reaction!! However, I still lost, as after a very long fight indeed, with Phrotis at about 30% health, my pet was on 5% health and I was out of power from all the chain healing, so had to zone out. After about 25 attempts in the last few hours, and not even getting close, time to leave it for a day I think. It's extremely frustrating though!! So, any advice from those who may have completed this (preferably who are not just managing it via access to better gear/spells), would be appreciated. Regards, If your going to tank it. Be sure and prepare to resummon your pet. I suggest you fully specc for recast speed of primary pet and everything else required. When the timing is right and the named is far enough away, simply snare him port your pet to you, sack the pet, and then recast it, planar shift, taunt and resume. Your not going to be able to do this all at once, but if you keep trying this way eventually you will get lucky and complete it. Good Luck,Riggly

03-30-2008, 02:06 PM	#24
Xalmat EQ2Achieve.com Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 5,895	Gormak wrote: At about 15-20% health, send in tank pet You know, I didn't find this necessary at all. Whenever you use the Fire element on Phrotis, his HP drops by 15%. For me that meant he went down from 24% to 9% in one shot, and as soon as he dropped that far I could dominate him pretty much instantly. __________________ EQ2Achieve - Your guide to all EverQuest II Achievements

03-31-2008, 03:10 PM	#25
Rayche Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Mayhem Rank: Alts Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 519	Got him on my 3rd try, mostly because the first two I had a lot of distractions.If you are accustomed to kiting mobs from EQ1, this is a cakewalk. (No offense... it will take some getting used to if you haven't kited a lot, that's all, but if you have, it's the same old drill...)Only need to query each element once, then just dominate at will. Put yourself on auto-run and use your mouse to look behind you, tab the element when he tries to activate it, dominate and keep running. He moves so slow you'd have to be afk for like 10 seconds before he'd even catch you.Once he gets low enough to start spamming the elements you can just stand there and spam dominate until he's flattened... I dominated him at 1% because he owned himself with two fire elements back to back.I had my fire pet up at first, just for burst DPS (Didn't have my Hydromancer spec on at the moment) and lost him within the first 10 seconds because I wasn't paying attention to the pet. Ran it petless from there. __________________ Rhandy Rhoades ~ 90 Troubador Kasey ~ 90 Bruiser Cometus ~ 82 Conjuror / 90 Master Sage Rayche ~ 81 Mystic / 90 Master Alchemist / 450 Adorning Tungar ~ 64 Necromancer / 80 Master Tailor Antonia Bayle Server

04-04-2008, 02:03 PM	#26
Loral General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 614	Got it on first try yesterday. Had my standard solo/group AA setup, 3.8k cold resist and my tank pet. Never had to use the pet. I simply moved around, refreshing WoV and swarm pets and keeping an eye for his emote. When he emote, face the pot, press tab, Dominate (Query for the first time around each elemental), retarget Phrotis, turn around and get away. After a moment, you get in a pattern. Only thing I would do different would be to have more cold resist. I resisted the nuke alot, but the couple of shots that passed throu made me pray for a Water Elemental as the next emote. Other than that, this fight is pretty cake IMHO. __________________

04-30-2008, 10:23 AM	#27
Mathaleus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 82	This is really a simple fight if you set up your specs right...Respec to full defensive in WIS and full HP and the taunt in STR. Park your pet in front of the named, and then place yourselve next to the brazier so that you can TAB target any elementals. Then just stand there and examine the brazier to start the event. Send in your pet to attack using an initial buffing of Blazing Presence, then just back him off. (You can have the pet keep attacking, but back him off when he hits half health, at which point his regen will outdo any damage the named does to him) Spam the pet taunt on the named EVERY time it's up...and hit the ol' Tab key every time he brings an elemental to life. By just standing here, you don't have to worry about missing one of the elementals...which are fine if you miss 1, but if you get hit by the air, you're done. Keep doing this until he's dead...the fire and earth elementals are enough to kill him. Whatever you do, don't cast on the named though since this won't work if you get aggro and die. It doesn't take long to do really, and is pretty much an Easy button for this last fight. __________________ 80Conjuror of Everfrost Elderach - 70 Inquisitor Gerock - 61 Guardian

05-03-2008, 01:05 AM	#28
Alizee Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 31	hmmm I go try

05-03-2008, 09:18 AM	#29
Alizee Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 31	Dont work all time dead i think stop this quest all monney pass on repair totaly boring !!! i finish Inquisitor and Illusionist epic and not too hard ; for conjuror it's totaly crasy

05-03-2008, 11:20 AM	#30
SilkenKidden Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,039	Daghammerskold wrote: I went thru basically the same process as you. I'm not a kiter, I'm not even that good of a soloer for a conj. I pet-tanked Phrotis and tab-targeted the elementals.After many failed attempts I respec'd to STA and WIS just like you have them. I also respec'd the EoF tree to get the Hydromancer and all the stoneskins I could. Get the 2-hit stoneskin for all group members because it works on the pet. That will give your pet 8 stoneskin procs. If you start with the pet-only one, the faster recast spec means you can cast it twice during the fight. Between that and Animist bond you can save your pet a lot of damage. Also the Hydromancer will heal your tank pet while Communion is running.If power is an issue, get some clarity potions, manastone, maybe even have a friendly necro cast you some hearts before you go in. I have the hydromancer available to me, but I never see her in communtion. Funny, I do see a corruption in my flame pet's name. It always shows on a double line with the earth pet's name, as if the earth pet has come up in communtion even when he is primary. That I don't mind, but I'd love to see the hydromancer appearing. I re-spec'd my AA in order to get her. (Have stoneskin and Unabate too.) How do I get her to show up in communtion. I'm not up to this part of the epic but it's nice to see the advice and that you achieved it, because I've been dreading it. Like the O/P I'm no kiter. I don't do arcade games well at all. Congratulations to you and good luck to the O/P.