Thanks for fixing the writs, Devs.

[Bloodfa]

Topic says it all.  Thanks guys.

[Rudwick]

I agree it was a step in the right direction but it still doesn't solve all the problems. There were 6 groups of freeps running around together last night killing everything. There is no way they should get updates for that. Raid pvp is impossible on my system and it is not exactly a slouch either. If they could find a happy medium that encourages both solo and group play I would be happy but the raids getting updates off of singles and small duos is a huge problem in my eyes.

[Bloodfa]

Give it a week or so, it'll taper off.  Remember when RoK went live, and most of the zones had instances?  And when writs first came out?  It always tapers off.

[Armironhead]

Rudwick wrote:

I agree it was a step in the right direction but it still doesn't solve all the problems. There were 6 groups of freeps running around together last night killing everything. There is no way they should get updates for that. Raid pvp is impossible on my system and it is not exactly a slouch either. If they could find a happy medium that encourages both solo and group play I would be happy but the raids getting updates off of singles and small duos is a huge problem in my eyes.

What we need now is more variety of writs -- solo writs, herioc writs, etc..., with cooresponding rewards.  Also additional writ givers.  Certainal with all the pvp that goes on in seb there should be one located there, or at least in outer seb.

[Raidyen]

This is playable now.  System still isnt perfect, but it never will be.  Atleast now its not completely frustrating.  Not sure how they will ever fix people in a x4 all getting updates, but for now us casual pvper's will have a slight chance at a pvp piece of gear or two before the next expansion.

[Csky]

i dont know why raids are getting updates on non raid targets,  i dont think SoE is stupid..maybe its just a bug they overlooked

[Dracot]

Csky wrote:

i dont know why raids are getting updates on non raid targets,  i dont think SoE is stupid..maybe its just a bug they overlooked

Raids always got credit for killing singles all along, jsut less chances of getting tokens. Whats to change it now?  Writs should only give credit  on even odds.  Group vs group, raid vs raid,  solo vs solo etc and so on.  Here's an idea to actually promote grouping. Make it so you don't get a [Removed for Content] thing unless your fighting a fight, not a mack truck hitting an infant in middle of the road style of pvp we have now.   It makes no sense for an entire raid to gt credit for a sinlge.   12-24 vs 1....yea that's promoting fair play, and will keep your customers playing.

[Csky]

Dracot72 wrote:

Csky wrote:

i dont know why raids are getting updates on non raid targets,  i dont think SoE is stupid..maybe its just a bug they overlooked

Raids always got credit for killing singles all along, jsut less chances of getting tokens. Whats to change it now?  Writs should only give credit  on even odds.  Group vs group, raid vs raid,  solo vs solo etc and so on.  Here's an idea to actually promote grouping. Make it so you don't get a [I cannot control my vocabulary] thing unless your fighting a fight, not a mack truck hitting an infant in middle of the road style of pvp we have now.   It makes no sense for an entire raid to gt credit for a sinlge.   12-24 vs 1....yea that's promoting fair play, and will keep your customers playing.

no they didnt get credit..the reward was split as a solo enounter..which is why they all 30 had to roll on ONE token per kill..if they all got credit 30 tokens would have dropped...which would have been ridiculous

one person could have killed that person solo and got the full reward which was a token which was a proper reward because a solo person is a solo encounter not a raid encounter

so no they were NOT rewarded for running around in raids hunting lesser targets..they were laughed at because it was laughable and got exactly what they deserved

[Bloodfa]

It's not a bug.  I was thinking about this earlier.  If faction raids got no token reward, it would be a collection of groups on groups.  The only ones that would be raiding for PvP would be exiles, as the token issue is, for them, a non-issue.  1 raid > 4 groups.  As a huge fan of soloing, all I can say is group up.  I don't forsee them removing raid rewards from PvP.  And even if they did, it would be when ... at the next update?  By then, there would be a clearly defined line between the 'have's and the have-nots', based solely on who was in there for the early part, and who wasn't.  Meaning that if you ain't in KP now, it's going to take you a hell of a lot longer to get your PvP tokens, and the accompanying gear, than the folks you'll be fighting.  If there's a raid in the area, form up a raid to counter it.  If you can't get an invite, start a group and see if that brings more to the table.  

Honestly, though, aside from T8, who would want to raid for PvP?  Easy enough for an enemy raid to hide an 80 in a level 40 raid and show up with a King Tiger to a gun fight.  That would just be asking for a whuppin'.

[Csky]

who wants to raid PVP??? if i wanted to run around in a zerg hunting lesser targets i wouldnt play a PVP game because that isnt PVP

id quit first lol

O heres the fix for exiles...make haven a PVP zone.they left the protection of thier city and city officials behind them .exile problem solved..they wanted hard mode and shouldnt have a safe place to go to be immune from PVP..which would actually make them think twice about going easy mode exile

[Solitude]

There will always be somebody complaining, but there isn't anythign wrong with raid pvp.  This writ fix made it where people pvp without a care for their titles.  They have a huge reward for pvping and everyone is out you don't need to look for the pvp because it is there.  If you can't say that is a good thing then idk what to say.

[KannaWhoopass]

Csky wrote:

who wants to raid PVP??? if i wanted to run around in a zerg hunting lesser targets i wouldnt play a PVP game because that isnt PVP

id quit first lol

O heres the fix for exiles...make haven a PVP zone..exile problem solved..they wanted hard mode and shouldnt have a safe place to go to be immune from PVP..which would actually make them think twice about going easy mode exile

That is funny ..

You would need to zone into haven with a x8 at least..

And then have 20 seconds of immunity before you got yer face ripped off by the 30 or 40 raid geared  t8 people standing there ...

You would be carnage flagged .. they wold not .... standing arround in one room .. with an exile revive point ..

You would zone in loose titles and i dont think ever be see again in haven..

[Csky]

Solitude wrote:

There will always be somebody complaining, but there isn't anythign wrong with raid pvp.  This writ fix made it where people pvp without a care for their titles.  They have a huge reward for pvping and everyone is out you don't need to look for the pvp because it is there.  If you can't say that is a good thing then idk what to say.

no nothing at all with raid PVP...IF they are getting thier credit in a formidable fight vs another raid..which is why raid updates should only occur when they are fighting other raid grouped targets

raids dont want to fight other raids they just wanna grief and farm people out of the game which is why i will [Removed for Content] when no one is left but a few zerger groups who cant find anyone to play with..o well AoC will be out soon at least the people they griefed out of the game have another option while the eq2  chicken [I cannot control my vocabulary] PVPers that refuse to PVP unless they outnumber thier targets 4 to 1 stand there twiddling thier thumbs because they cant find targets

[Bloodfa]

Actually, T8 PvP raiding last night went kinda like this: http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=410111   I expect this will be the norm for a couple of weeks until it simmers down a bit.  I heard a couple people last night joking on Vent about calling in sick today to get some more killing in.  I was one of them.   

I'm not sure what tier you're in, so if it's T4 or so, yeah, it could suck.  Get a horse and run when you see it coming.  Avoid the docks.  I've been rolled in EL by raids before, recently on my Warden.  Grey ones.  I went to a different zone.  Problem solved.  They won the zone.  In doing so, they lost my tokens.  WTG!!!!   

[Csky]

it wont calm down..as long as raids are rewarded for hunting lesser targets raids will be out hunting lesser targets for easy mode..

SoE should just give them all free PVP gear and be done with it

[Csky]

it wont calm down..as long as raids are rewarded for hunting lesser targets raids will be out hunting lesser targets for easy mode..

SoE should just give them all free PVP gear and be done with it..they certainly arent being rewarded for the challenge of PVP..theres nothing challenging about hiding behind numbers. and it certainly isnt reward worthy UNLESS thier targets are also in numbers and a formidable challenge

[Ichigoo]

First off Thanks devs. and as for the unfair raids vs a solo player, not giving credit to a raid for killing solo's isn't gonna fix anything. cause i mean how is 24 people grped up killing a single target any different from 4 grps of 6 standing near one another killing a solo player? are your survivability chances any greater if those 24 people aren't grped together? only thing i can think of is one grp will kill you, then the next, etc. so you lose 4x as much loot/infamy/etc rather than just one.

 If devs made it so a raid doesn't get credit for killing off solo players i doubt that will decrease the number of people camping the sokar posts.

[Bloodfa]

True.  It's a game.  Want an honorable fight?  Join a dojo.  Otherwise, while you wait for an honorable fight to happen ... you'll get rolled by a superior force. 

[Roald]

The Raid PvP thing is really a non issue. If you want to solo in RoK, stay away from TG and dregs landing (docks) in KP. If you want to solo, head away from the hot spots and you find a fine amount of targets (on naggy that is).

If you want to raid up and own some faces against another raid, go enjoy yourself at the PvP hot spots.

And its hardly like its raid PvP 24 at these places, just for a few hours a day at certain times.

[HerbertWalker]

That's right.   When things get crazy, join a group/raid.   When things calm down, pull out your solo gank character and work the area.   If T8 is crowded with raids, log in your T3 character.    Such is the nature of this game, and that's ok.   It's a video game.   No one is guaranteeing you anything except a good time.

[Csky]

raids should only get credit for fighting other raids

[Kratoswra]

This is the best fix ever.

 PVP everywhre and all styles.

Want RvR? Go KP

Want GvG? KJ / sebilis

Want 1v1? Go fens

Dont want pvp: go instance.

Exiles can now go make all their mythicals, we will get pvp gear! Fair for me.

Only problem: lag.

 Cant wait to see raid of exiles vs raid of fp vs raid of q, to kill a contested domini!!

[Spyderbite]

Bloodfang@Nagafen wrote:

Want an honorable fight?  Join a dojo.

/chucklesAbsolutely the quote of the week!

[Rudwick]

Pray tell me wise all knowing one how someone wanting to quest in JW that zoned into the docks at KP is going to get to JW to quest? It ain't happening because of the raids. I spent over 1 hour last night trying to get there. I tried flying to TG. Didn't happen. I tried running. They chased me all the way up the mountain until they got me. I tried flying again and dropped at the tunnel that leads to highton. A raid dropped on my head. Some of you may find it fun and that is great but I don't enjoy this style of pvp. You click 2 buttons maybe and lag out and wait to see if your side won or died. The majority of you are just enamored with the thoughts of PVP gear in your future but you still have no skill whatsoever. Once the raids die down and you have your pvp gear you will go back to getting owned by exiles and whoever else you come across. Business will carry on as usual.

[Amphibia]

Kravenon@Nagafen wrote:

This is the best fix ever.

 PVP everywhre and all styles.

Want RvR? Go KP

Want GvG? KJ / sebilis

Want 1v1? Go fens

Dont want pvp: go instance.

Exiles can now go make all their mythicals, we will get pvp gear! Fair for me.

Only problem: lag.

 Cant wait to see raid of exiles vs raid of fp vs raid of q, to kill a contested domini!!

I agree. What more can we ask for, really? This is good. Got no complaints at all. Thanks, devs

[Kratoswra]

Rudwick wrote:

Pray tell me wise all knowing one how someone wanting to quest in JW that zoned into the docks at KP is going to get to JW to quest? It ain't happening because of the raids. I spent over 1 hour last night trying to get there. I tried flying to TG. Didn't happen. I tried running. They chased me all the way up the mountain until they got me. I tried flying again and dropped at the tunnel that leads to highton. A raid dropped on my head. Some of you may find it fun and that is great but I don't enjoy this style of pvp. You click 2 buttons maybe and lag out and wait to see if your side won or died. The majority of you are just enamored with the thoughts of PVP gear in your future but you still have no skill whatsoever. Once the raids die down and you have your pvp gear you will go back to getting owned by exiles and whoever else you come across. Business will carry on as usual.

You die once, rez at highton. Sprint from there to JW. Solved.

Even if they bother you too much say in channels that a Q raid is in KP. When ppl are in RvR ignore if 1 is running.

 The only problem i see is ppl lvl 70 tring to do sokokar quest or quests in docks, they will have a hard time.

[Csky]

you guys are being ridiculous

i guess i would be pretty hyped too if the sky was raining free tokens and i didnt have to earn them.. do you really need them THAT bad to act like they are actually being earned in PVP

even other RVR games like daoc the players have to split the reward according to numbers they used

[Roald]

I can't [Removed for Content] believe I have all this [Removed for Content] work to do just when [Removed for Content] PvP starts to get so much [Removed for Content] better. Now my [Removed for Content] chances of disco'ing some [Removed for Content] coercer PvP Armor are right out the [Removed for Content] window. [Removed for Content]

[Kratoswra]

Csky wrote:

you guys are being ridiculous

i guess i would be pretty hyped too if the sky was raining free tokens and i didnt have to earn them.. do you really need them THAT bad to act like they are actually being earned in PVP

What is earning a token? A solo swashy killing a necro with 0.0001% effort? 2 manashield warlocks owning a whatever duo??

Maybe the necro owning a swashi is earning it, but this is not gona happen very frequently. They should give him 100 tokens for that lol. Balance come in numbers. 

Earning a token? This does not exist unless its GvG and they both are prepared for fight, wich also would not happen very frequently.

If you like the system of other games, no one is forcing you to stay. We like the jungle, we like being outnumbered being hunted and needing to grp to escape or fight!!

[Bloodfa]

Get to T8 and then you'll understand why.  Try being level 80, running in a group for 3 hours, and still being stuck on the same writ from 3 days earlier.  Go through that for a few weeks, after the original token system failed.  Then suddenly have it work.  It's like mana from heaven. 

If you grouped, you'd understand. 

If you were end-game tier, you would understand.

If you ever ran into a same-level group of exiles and watched them own your Ad III, semi-decently geared group in their sleep, with another group pounding on them and doing zero damage, you'd understand. 

Until then, it's not even the same game.

End-game is all about the gear.  I've come to accept that.  The PvE experts have it, and use it against the PvPers that are trying to get the counter to their gear.  Suddenly, there's a light at the end of the tunnel. 

As far as not having to earn them, last night the freeps had the run of the docks after the Q's had mostly logged off.  I know I must have helped at least a half dozen writs ding, because I was solo and trying to just get 1 more kill in before I went to sleep.  At least 10 deaths, all in less than 1 minute from revive each time.  Boo-hoo, I lost a digital death.  Woe is me.  Personally, I'm glad it worked out that way, because I saw more PvE'ers out there, and people that usually hide from any enemies, all rushing to try to monopolize on it.  People who've never stepped out for a PvP fight, or commented in the 70-80 channels, or gone to help any of their fellow Q's suddenly bragging.  Made me realize just how many immature players we really have.  Reminded me of that scene from Pirates of the Caribean, where the Governor comes out and cheers with the sailors and marines that did all of the work, when he just leeched and hid.  Last night was a shining example of hyenas, vultures and carrion feeders coming out; I felt bad for the freeps.  Betrayal to the evil side was sorely tempting, as I just wanted to kick in the teeth of about half the guys on "my" side.