Csky wrote:Taear@Venekor wrote:Jitter@Nagafen wrote:So unless all players have equal opportunity to gain tokens at same time ... then its not viable
The reason we all wanted writs in the first place was that you could group up and still get tokens as fast as a solo scout. Right now nobody can get tokens at all because there simply aren't enough of most classes around to guarentee they'll be out and you can get a token.With a straight 10 kills = 6 tokens system or whatever, it means you can group and every single kill will work towards getting you some tokens.Under this system we can be out ALL DAY killing people but if one of those people isn't a wizard and that's what our writ is for we're buggered. It makes most PvP pointless because if you're not fighting whatever the classes you need are, you're not getting any reward whatsoever and are essentially wasting your time.And this applies no matter what bloody archetype you are.
while class requirements are insane right now, a straight kill task of kill X number of enemies for group credit will only lead to zerg PVP with 0 skill and make numbers mean everything and playability goes down the toilet
thats kind of a no-brainer tho
The Writs re-introduced Zerg pvp already. Why kill solo when you get the same reward for killing in a group? Why kill in a group when you get the same reward killing in a x2? Why kill in a x2 when you get the same reward for killing in a x4? Why kill in a x4 when you get the same reward for following around a x4 and using as many AoEs as possible to get hits in?2 1/2 days I needed an Assassin, just 1 Assassin.. use to be one of the most populated classes out there, couldn't find a single one yet killed plenty of brigands and healers. Just as I was about to ditch the writ to get a fresh one, killed 4 Assassins within 5minutes in a group. The Writ system is about 2 things: 1) Zerg PvP, 2) LuckThere is a way around the Luck part of it... have friends in the opposite faction, which I can almost guarantee people have taken advantage of or have highly considered doing it.Lets look at the numbers.Say you and a buddy are in Qeynos, you have 2 friends in Freeport. To completely subvert the Luck part of the writs all together everyone meets up in a hidden area.. lets use Nek forest, as it has easy access to a writ-giver with plenty of immunity and far off places to conduct business in.Now, you and your buddy pick up the same writs so you get full credit for your 2 FP friends you're going to kill.. and vice-versa. you kill the FPs, get 4 updates: 2 Evils, 1 for each Class.. they kill you get their 4 updates.. wait 30mins. kill them again now you need 1 update.. they kill you they need 1 update.. wait another 30mins and top off the writs, turn them in.. 4 people just completed 1 writ in just over an hour.. that's 20 tokens total in lets say 1 hour 20mins (travel time + writ deleting). Or lets make it 6 people in on it, 3 on each side.. that's 1 writ in just over 30mins on average. Now that's a lot of tokens there.. 10 tokens per person per hour.. do it for say 4 hours a night, 40 tokens a night not bad.. little more than what scouts were getting with the old token drops. Then each piece of set gear is 400, chest / legs 450, assuming they pvp'd enough to already have the weapons / jewelery as well. so that's 1 piece of gear every 10 days. 1 piece of gear per person mind you, so that's 6 pieces of gear total every 10days.. if they do this for 4hours/night every night . Lets see there's helm, gloves, bracers, shoulders, boots so that's 2000 tokens = 5(10days) = 50days = about 1 1/2 Months. add in chest & leggings so that's another 900, so 12 days each or rather another 24days for both. So here we are at over 2months for 6 people using the, what's the word for it... most exploitive? way possible to get tokens from these writs as fast as possible to have a full set of pvp gear. Okay okay fair enough, raid guilds raid for months and months and months to get their gear. but hrm.. how many nameds are in VP? 12 according to Xanadu's website. so that's 12 Drops of gear, may not always be the gear people want but it's still top quality Gear nonetheless. that's 12 pieces of Gear per week for 24 people to decide over. Take the same amount of time: 2months. {4weeks(12perweek)}2months= 96 pieces of loot.. so 24 people (some uber guilds may even use less /shrug) get at least 96pieces of loot if there are no double drops with 2 months while 6 people get 42 pieces of loot. fair trade?"Oh but a lot of the loot may go to waste, not everyone needs everything" Okay then lets cut the VP loot in half. 48 from raiding.. 42 from exploiting writs. Raid still wins no?What about the other days that VP isn't being raided? I doubt any guild in VP would be sitting by doing nothing, look at the "raid" guilds on nagafen both boast about 7day/week Raiding so hrm.. not even going to get into the numbers on that.. though I will say granted a lot of the gear would probably go to Alts or Transmuted so that might be a + for the Raid squad side.So to sum it up. It would take 6 people totally exploiting the writ system, for the pvp gear to even come close to being gained as fast as Raid loot. And lets not get started on the Mythicals, which there is absolutely no PvP comparison to.. will save that for another thread or something.Now do some of you see why I can safely tell all the bluebie-hole surfers on nagafen to shove it? And why the PvPers (note I said PvPers, not community, not players on pvp servers, etc.) are outraged at the insult known as the PvP Writs? Why remain in a Faction where the only leading advantage one had was the availability of PvP Gear, when the same person can Exile to Haven and Raid getting Better Gear Faster, obtain their Mythical Weapon and get back to PvPing for the sheer enjoyment of PvPing. Personally I love to PvP, It's the whole reason I play online games and the whole reason I came to EQ2 to start with. But I like having a goal to aim for, something to achieve, and the ability to be rewarded for Killing other people is a great idea. Lets face it, the PvP in EQ2 is stringent at best. The Quality of the PvP has twindled to the point it is teetering on frustration and pointlessness. So putting a big dent in the reward system for PvPing makes the PvP itself even less appealing. And ultimately this will doom the "PvP" servers to "PvE" status, as the true PvP Players will be on to other games, no matter how lackluster they may be, just to satisfy their desire for competitive PvP.***note in the numbers above, calculations were made on the fly in my head and a lot of considerations were left to nil so as not to be caught completely up in numerals. the general purpose was produced and small in-consistences are void. also it is 6am so forgive me for any typos, errata, etc.***
02-19-2008, 06:16 AM
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