Raid DPS

[Edavi]

Im sure this question has been raised several times, But I need to find out how to maximize my Raid DPS at level 80, It seems to me that spamming CAs is better than timing them, which im pretty sure is wrong, but my parses are higher when i spam.  And How should i spec for absolute maximmun raid DPS? Both Trees, in the Monk Tree, is it worth it to get Enhance soaring dragon? last i ehard it was broken and did not enhance damage on the Dot, only hte initial hit...Any input or arguments for anything is welcome.  Thanks!

[Gladiia]

You will get better DPS from timing, but only with proper timing.  I always got better DPS spamming (well not 100% of the time) to.  I have yet to figure out a really good way to figure out your timing once you are in a raid setting, likely with another haste buff you aren't used to having.

Haven't started raiding 80 stuff yet, so can't give you anything definate for 'new' AA specs.  I'm guessing wis/int/agi.  And then of course on the monk side, if you are speccing for DPS, you can pretty much get everything on that side that increases DPS, hit chance, and CA timers with the extra 20 AA.

[mattmandude]

You will get MUCH more DPS after you learn how to properly time your CAs. 66% of my dps is autoattck, and only like 12% is from CAs. By spamming CAs, you override the points that auto attack is supposed to hit.It's really a simple concept to time your CAs. Just look at what your weapon delays are, see how long it takes to cast a CA (I think most of them take .6 seconds or something), and then consider that it takes half a second to "cool down" after every auto-attack. So, say your weapon delays are both 2.5 (with haste), that means that every 2.5 seconds your auto attack can go off. Since it takes about 1.1 seconds to cast a CA (cast time + cool down), I should be able to cast two CAs between each auto-attack. This aren't the exact numbers/calculations, but they can give you a rough idea. With just legendary RoK gear and most of my adept IIIs (the rest are app IV, because I recently betrayed), I hold roughly a 2.4k dps zone wide. And I know there are monks on blue servers getting much higher.

[sensie]

Timing your CA's is the best way to improve your dps.

Using ACT and having it beep when you swing will let you know the timing.

It becomes a bit of a dance when you get it right, I have weapons with a delay 2.5 and raid wise I normally have a haste from 140 to 170, so for me it has come to I hit a CA, then pause a slightly sec and hit next CA,there is no real delay for me in my CA's however I never have my CA's cued this slight pause is enough to allow auto attack to go off in between CA's, now with fast weapons and a high haste it doesn't matter I time my CA's as I will always interupt auto attack.  So if I were using weapons under a delay of 2 it would be a basic spam of my CA's with the monks high haste.  Now it you have a weapon with a high delay, the potentail for higher dps is greater, because we as monks are able to utilize our high haste more effectively, but this is were timing would become critical.

A couple more ways I have increased my raid DPS, maximise your strength, adournments, have gear that is specific for dps, don't use a generic gear set.  AA's I went down the INT and WIS to get end line abilties, but maxed out my crits and AoE proc, in the monk tree I maxed out all CA's abilties.  Have all your CA's and stances at least adept 3, unless you are tanking, use your offensive stance.  Get gear that has dps adds, or plus to crush/slash/pierce. 

Before the pull hit lightening palm, that way it can refuse a couple of times during the fight.

Fabled weapons make a huge difference, there was a big change is my difference when I got 2 fabled weapons with the same delay.

If your guild parses the raid take a few minutes and try to look at what you can do better, it might be as simple as just getting more active, one thing I know is that during a raid, normally no one has nore swing attempts then me.

Lastly fight for the proper group, it takes some time, but now that I get in the dirge/scout group I am loving it.

Hope this helps

Sensie Hwarang

[Faiille]

I read somewhere that the CAs go off automatically after you auto attack. No clue if that is true or not. I've tried spamming, I've tried timing. TBH I've found better DPS spamming.AA lines, get yourself Chi. Use it on named and you'll notice a big difference. in the monk line, max out the abilities that increase your damage to certain spells, and also  the ones that shorten the reuse timer on CAs.Make sure you have two sets of armor. One for tanking, one specifically for DPS. Go for melee crit chances and DPS. Grab adornments that up these and STR. It costs money, but worth it.Also, grab yourself elixir of tactics. Adds 4% melee crit chance for 15 minutes.Leave DF and Chi if you can for when dispatch is on. you'll get more bang for your buck.

[Xanrn]

Int end ability is useless for raiding, if you spend any decent amount of timer under 30% health your healers suck. Hell its not even that good for grouping either.

4 4 8 Agi

4 4 5 Sta.

4 5 8 5 2 Wis (yeah the 5 and 5 were by accident).

4 4 8 Int.

Expert's Elixir of Tactics +4 Melee Crit 15 minute buff, never leave home without a stack or two.

Vampire Procs for your weapons if you can afford them, they proc about 2/3 times more than the treasured ones.

Judicious Easyloader for your Ranged Weapon, some treasured lvl 80 ones drop with 52 Str.

Master's Strike make sure you have all of the L&L done, its 3 minute 25% 500 odd dmg proc buff. It also effects most T8 raid mobs.

The Monk AA tree, Max the 3 kick upgrades for plus 25% dmg, the rest of the CA are meh, Max your Self Cure it will help with the dps. Combination is farily lame but adds 1.5k dmg when you know how to use it.

As for timing, it needs to be sub-concious. I end up with my 2.5 weapons down to 1.6/1.5 then keeping Baton Flurry on makes it easier.

Having a chat window with nothing but your attacks helps alot, so does watching the numbers above the mobs head to get the rthym.

If you think about it too much you won't be able to do it.

[Gladiia]

sensie wrote:

Timing your CA's is the best way to improve your dps.

Using ACT and having it beep when you swing will let you know the timing.

It becomes a bit of a dance when you get it right, I have weapons with a delay 2.5 and raid wise I normally have a haste from 140 to 170, so for me it has come to I hit a CA, then pause a slightly sec and hit next CA,there is no real delay for me in my CA's however I never have my CA's cued this slight pause is enough to allow auto attack to go off in between CA's, now with fast weapons and a high haste it doesn't matter I time my CA's as I will always interupt auto attack.  So if I were using weapons under a delay of 2 it would be a basic spam of my CA's with the monks high haste.  Now it you have a weapon with a high delay, the potentail for higher dps is greater, because we as monks are able to utilize our high haste more effectively, but this is were timing would become critical.

A couple more ways I have increased my raid DPS, maximise your strength, adournments, have gear that is specific for dps, don't use a generic gear set.  AA's I went down the INT and WIS to get end line abilties, but maxed out my crits and AoE proc, in the monk tree I maxed out all CA's abilties.  Have all your CA's and stances at least adept 3, unless you are tanking, use your offensive stance.  Get gear that has dps adds, or plus to crush/slash/pierce. 

Before the pull hit lightening palm, that way it can refuse a couple of times during the fight.

Fabled weapons make a huge difference, there was a big change is my difference when I got 2 fabled weapons with the same delay.

If your guild parses the raid take a few minutes and try to look at what you can do better, it might be as simple as just getting more active, one thing I know is that during a raid, normally no one has nore swing attempts then me.

Lastly fight for the proper group, it takes some time, but now that I get in the dirge/scout group I am loving it.

Hope this helps

Sensie Hwarang

Aha!  I knew there had to be a secret. 

[Faiille]

Im in game now and pulled up my AAs. Max out Eagles Fury on Brawler AA for upping crit chance by 18.1%Monk line:look for where it says combos. max those out (left side of the tree will give you an extra n damage, right side reduces heralth cost and increases hit chance)o agree on maxing out your enhance will of the wise, and also max out your heal.)

[Edavi]

I really appreciate the input everyone, and by all means keep it coming!  I play on a PVP server sO i am going to try the new spec once i get one of those AA switch mirrors.  Cuz eagle shriek (the endline wis) combined with Tsunami is real nice in PVP.  However i can see hte points being spent better in raids.  Ill try puttin some in agi line there.Right now, i have 2 2.5 weaps with 90 and 99 attack rating, so Ill try setting my ACT to tell me when i hit, but its VERY often so maybe ill just try giving a slight pause.Thanks a ton for the input guys, really do apreciate it, and again, the more anyone has, id love the advice

[Gladiia]

Edavi wrote:

I really appreciate the input everyone, and by all means keep it coming!  I play on a PVP server sO i am going to try the new spec once i get one of those AA switch mirrors.  Cuz eagle shriek (the endline wis) combined with Tsunami is real nice in PVP.  However i can see hte points being spent better in raids.  Ill try puttin some in agi line there.Right now, i have 2 2.5 weaps with 90 and 99 attack rating, so Ill try setting my ACT to tell me when i hit, but its VERY often so maybe ill just try giving a slight pause.Thanks a ton for the input guys, really do apreciate it, and again, the more anyone has, id love the advice

You don't need a mirror to respec.  Only to be able to alternate between 2 different AA specs without paying for it each time.

[Edavi]

right, which is why i wana have one for PVP and one for raidsSo i can switch between