Where should comments for weaponsmith and jeweler master crafted changes go?

Leucippus · 12-12-2007, 01:32 PM

I am a bit confused as to where I should post a comment on such things.There is the "TS wish list for the next dev?" thread. There does not seem to be a thread dedicated to such comments.Should I just post a new thread?I am a bit confused.-Leucippus

Domino · 12-12-2007, 01:43 PM

Feel free to start a new one! Armorers were very organized and started their own thread right away. I haven't seen a similar one for any other class. Doesn't necessarily mean it'll happen, but it certainly makes a very useful reference if anything does.A thought to ponder: if there's three classes that think they need fixing, and two of them make random posts in random threads saying "all our items suck!" and "fix our class, SOE hates us!", but the third one makes a new thread with lots of helpful screenshots showing exactly what they feel is wrong, and details of proposed changes showing what they feel would fix things ... well, one guess which one will be easier for me to sit down and discuss with the itemization guys and fix? It doesn't guarantee anything, of course, since there are lots of other factors to consider before changes are made ... but it sure weights the odds as heavily in your favour as you can do.

troodon · 12-12-2007, 04:17 PM

Edit: nevermind, I won't be a jerk

sliderhouserules · 12-12-2007, 09:33 PM

DominoDev wrote:

Feel free to start a new one! Armorers were very organized and started their own thread right away. I haven't seen a similar one for any other class. Doesn't necessarily mean it'll happen, but it certainly makes a very useful reference if anything does.

I was thinking along these lines when I made a specific post about weapons asking for a change to Gleaming Strike, but the mods got ahold of it and moved it to the spells forum for some reason. So now my thoughts are in the Wish List thread.

DrOctober · 12-12-2007, 10:22 PM

Back in the dungeon you.** stuffs Sliderhouserules back into the Tradeskill instance **Still another hundred or so writs for you to finish.

Deson · 12-12-2007, 10:42 PM

DominoDev wrote:

Feel free to start a new one! Armorers were very organized and started their own thread right away. I haven't seen a similar one for any other class. Doesn't necessarily mean it'll happen, but it certainly makes a very useful reference if anything does.A thought to ponder: if there's three classes that think they need fixing, and two of them make random posts in random threads saying "all our items suck!" and "fix our class, SOE hates us!", but the third one makes a new thread with lots of helpful screenshots showing exactly what they feel is wrong, and details of proposed changes showing what they feel would fix things ... well, one guess which one will be easier for me to sit down and discuss with the itemization guys and fix? It doesn't guarantee anything, of course, since there are lots of other factors to consider before changes are made ... but it sure weights the odds as heavily in your favour as you can do.

To be fair to two of those classes though, in the case of weaponsmiths, the problem is both game design and lack luster development. There are a ridiculous amount of weapon rewards and for the bulk of classes there is only one used weapon slot. Sure there could be a host of suggestions but ultimately they'll end up discussing broader game design and issue of competing for very limited space( even thrown weapons being returned is compromised by woodworkers still having the recipes). As for jewelers, while complaints can be made about some lack luster items, by and large the selection is good (better now even), and any complaint tends to have that pounced on in the intense competition for tradeskill suffering and they more oft than not are greeted with the near slur of "but you're scholars". Telling people to have hope and organize when the reality has constantly beat at them rings kind of hollow- even if it is you saying it. Since you know there are specific complaints about food and more general complaints about itemization in general, it'd probably be best to create a general feedback/suggestion thread focused on concrete issues instead of wishlist fare. Having an official one implies the scholar attacks and out martyring are out of place and being outside of the wishlist thread would focus people more on what's at hand than what would like to be seen.

12-12-2007, 01:32 PM	#1
Leucippus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 400	I am a bit confused as to where I should post a comment on such things.There is the "TS wish list for the next dev?" thread. There does not seem to be a thread dedicated to such comments.Should I just post a new thread?I am a bit confused.-Leucippus __________________

12-12-2007, 04:17 PM	#3
troodon Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Temple of Terror, Cabilis Posts: 1,098	Edit: nevermind, I won't be a jerk __________________ ---- ROL GRATUL SKORCHERS!!

12-12-2007, 09:33 PM	#4
sliderhouserules Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Rocky Mountains, USA Posts: 519	DominoDev wrote: Feel free to start a new one! Armorers were very organized and started their own thread right away. I haven't seen a similar one for any other class. Doesn't necessarily mean it'll happen, but it certainly makes a very useful reference if anything does. I was thinking along these lines when I made a specific post about weapons asking for a change to Gleaming Strike, but the mods got ahold of it and moved it to the spells forum for some reason. So now my thoughts are in the Wish List thread.

12-12-2007, 10:22 PM	#5
DrOctober Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Pits of Hades Posts: 48	Back in the dungeon you. stuffs Sliderhouserules back into the Tradeskill instance Still another hundred or so writs for you to finish. __________________ Hellespont - Hemmlock - Jorgen Vinsent - Gabriellan - Sirocco Draconic Legion -Unrest There are 10 kinds of people in the world: .....those who understand binary, .....and those who don't.

12-12-2007, 10:42 PM	#6
Deson Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,754	DominoDev wrote: Feel free to start a new one! Armorers were very organized and started their own thread right away. I haven't seen a similar one for any other class. Doesn't necessarily mean it'll happen, but it certainly makes a very useful reference if anything does.A thought to ponder: if there's three classes that think they need fixing, and two of them make random posts in random threads saying "all our items suck!" and "fix our class, SOE hates us!", but the third one makes a new thread with lots of helpful screenshots showing exactly what they feel is wrong, and details of proposed changes showing what they feel would fix things ... well, one guess which one will be easier for me to sit down and discuss with the itemization guys and fix? It doesn't guarantee anything, of course, since there are lots of other factors to consider before changes are made ... but it sure weights the odds as heavily in your favour as you can do. To be fair to two of those classes though, in the case of weaponsmiths, the problem is both game design and lack luster development. There are a ridiculous amount of weapon rewards and for the bulk of classes there is only one used weapon slot. Sure there could be a host of suggestions but ultimately they'll end up discussing broader game design and issue of competing for very limited space( even thrown weapons being returned is compromised by woodworkers still having the recipes). As for jewelers, while complaints can be made about some lack luster items, by and large the selection is good (better now even), and any complaint tends to have that pounced on in the intense competition for tradeskill suffering and they more oft than not are greeted with the near slur of "but you're scholars". Telling people to have hope and organize when the reality has constantly beat at them rings kind of hollow- even if it is you saying it. Since you know there are specific complaints about food and more general complaints about itemization in general, it'd probably be best to create a general feedback/suggestion thread focused on concrete issues instead of wishlist fare. Having an official one implies the scholar attacks and out martyring are out of place and being outside of the wishlist thread would focus people more on what's at hand than what would like to be seen. __________________ I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom. I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom.I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom.I will not let Domino break my doom and gloom.I will not let Domino break...

12-12-2007, 01:43 PM	#2
Domino Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,046	Feel free to start a new one! Armorers were very organized and started their own thread right away. I haven't seen a similar one for any other class. Doesn't necessarily mean it'll happen, but it certainly makes a very useful reference if anything does.A thought to ponder: if there's three classes that think they need fixing, and two of them make random posts in random threads saying "all our items suck!" and "fix our class, SOE hates us!", but the third one makes a new thread with lots of helpful screenshots showing exactly what they feel is wrong, and details of proposed changes showing what they feel would fix things ... well, one guess which one will be easier for me to sit down and discuss with the itemization guys and fix? It doesn't guarantee anything, of course, since there are lots of other factors to consider before changes are made ... but it sure weights the odds as heavily in your favour as you can do.