NEW Ranger NEEDS AA help........

Willian · 12-01-2007, 07:13 PM

Im level 10, Im curious as to what AA's I should select 1st. Any help I would appreciate very much. Thank you in advance. SMILEY

Odysia · 12-01-2007, 07:56 PM

Well, AA choices depend a lot on your play style. Do you solo a lot or do you have a regular group. My guess is if you're asking a question like this, at level 10, you're probably a new player and probably don't have a lot of friends / acqaintances yet, and so are probably soloing.

Therefore you'll want something to really help with solo. Ultimately there are lots of lines you'll want to develop, but right now a few points in many areas won't really help that much.

As a suggestion, (and I'm sure others may have something better to offer) you could go down the Ranger trapping line. 3 point into snare qualifies you upgrade lunge. Then put your next 5 into lunge. In terms of concrete benefits you'll see a half second increase in your root duraction for each of those 5 points. It may not sound much, but it allows you to root, back up a few feet, then get some serious bow damage in. Thiose extra half seconds are the difference between getting 2 maybe 3 big hitting CAs in instead of only 1.

After that, go to the Predator tree and start down the AGI line. You'll get point blank shot fairly quickly, which is another great help for solo, then extra combat movement speed, also great for solo, and extra reanged crit chances. Once you've spent 22 points there, (plus 1 in bounty to qualify) you can spend 2 points to get Poise which knocks 35% off all your CAs. Combined with the increased root time mentioned above and you should now be able to lunge/root, back off, and do some serious bow damage, even in fairly confined spaces.

Thats a total of 33 point there, and that many AAs come pretty quick if you quest rather than grind.

Hope thats of some use.

Deterre · 12-01-2007, 08:03 PM

The basics that most DPS rangers take are: AGI and INT lines, Multishot, Focusing and Poisoning lines. The rest is up to preference usually.

Willian · 12-01-2007, 09:16 PM

I solo alot, thanks for the info guys

Hexus · 12-02-2007, 12:04 PM

If you are soloing a lot, then while you are levelling up I would strongly suggest putting points into your snare increase AA. When you get higher level it will put you over the % cap and you can drop it, but while you are grinding up it's worth the effort.-Hexus-

Monstage · 12-02-2007, 08:16 PM

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EomerFarst · 12-03-2007, 12:44 AM

If you going to solo a lot then I honestly wouldn't be no fussed about Double Shot. You will want Extension and Conservation though because they are helpful to soloists. Double-Shot is really a raid AA and so you could put the points into any other tree really.

For Kos I would AGI, INT and the rest of the points either into STR parry mods or STA for more hitpoints. Full ranged and poison crits are your best friend for soloing as spell crits also effect heals on Vitality Breach SMILEY

Deterre · 12-03-2007, 06:38 AM

EomerFarstar wrote:

If you going to solo a lot then I honestly wouldn't be no fussed about Double Shot. You will want Extension and Conservation though because they are helpful to soloists. Double-Shot is really a raid AA and so you could put the points into any other tree really.
For Kos I would AGI, INT and the rest of the points either into STR parry mods or STA for more hitpoints. Full ranged and poison crits are your best friend for soloing as spell crits also effect heals on Vitality Breach " />

Why conservation? If I was going to solo a lot, I would do this: - Maximize AGI - Maximize the increase snare spell - Maximize multishot (0 points into stream of crap) - Maximize extention - Maximize poisoning line - Put the remaining 20 or so points into STA for more HP or something...

EomerFarst · 12-03-2007, 10:18 AM

Deterrent wrote:

EomerFarstar wrote:
If you going to solo a lot then I honestly wouldn't be no fussed about Double Shot. You will want Extension and Conservation though because they are helpful to soloists. Double-Shot is really a raid AA and so you could put the points into any other tree really.
For Kos I would AGI, INT and the rest of the points either into STR parry mods or STA for more hitpoints. Full ranged and poison crits are your best friend for soloing as spell crits also effect heals on Vitality Breach ">
Why conservation? If I was going to solo a lot, I would do this: - Maximize AGI - Maximize the increase snare spell - Maximize multishot (0 points into stream of crap) - Maximize extention - Maximize poisoning line - Put the remaining 20 or so points into STA for more HP or something...

Conservation because of the increased snares on Fettering Poison, increased debuffs and long lasting poisons. As a soloing ranger Parry is more important than HP's because the person is better off trying to avoid a hit then soaking up the samage

Double-shot it nice but at 8% it just does not proc often enough for a soloist to use it.

Junaru · 12-03-2007, 01:12 PM

My L20 Ranger has been speccing for charm animal. RoK is a haven for animals so finding a mob shouldn't be a problem. Having a pet to me just seems like a smart thing for soling. But then again I was a Bard in EQ1 who loved swarm kiting.

Bre · 12-03-2007, 02:21 PM

What should you select FIRST?

Pathfinding of course SMILEY You have to put 3 in Def stance to get it though.

No it won't add crap to your damage, but I can't stand running slow. And I play a Barb, so I really look like I am crawling even at a high runspeed.

My normal choices in order are 3 def stance, 5 pathfinding, bounty, 5 caustic enhancement, agil line 4 6 4 8 2, conservation line, multishot line, 5 in focus aim ( I pick this late because 10 seconds is long enough at lower levels till you get better at kiting, the mobs get to you too fast without leg shot or fettering) Int line 4 4 4 8, extension line, str line 4 4 8 6 2

Going off memory there so I might have flubbed up some numbers.

Goran - 63 Ranger, Unrest

Deterre · 12-03-2007, 02:56 PM

EomerFarstar wrote:

Deterrent wrote:
EomerFarstar wrote:
If you going to solo a lot then I honestly wouldn't be no fussed about Double Shot. You will want Extension and Conservation though because they are helpful to soloists. Double-Shot is really a raid AA and so you could put the points into any other tree really.
For Kos I would AGI, INT and the rest of the points either into STR parry mods or STA for more hitpoints. Full ranged and poison crits are your best friend for soloing as spell crits also effect heals on Vitality Breach ">
Why conservation? If I was going to solo a lot, I would do this: - Maximize AGI - Maximize the increase snare spell - Maximize multishot (0 points into stream of crap) - Maximize extention - Maximize poisoning line - Put the remaining 20 or so points into STA for more HP or something...
Conservation because of the increased snares on Fettering Poison, increased debuffs and long lasting poisons. As a soloing ranger Parry is more important than HP's because the person is better off trying to avoid a hit then soaking up the samage
Double-shot it nice but at 8% it just does not proc often enough for a soloist to use it.

The snares are kinda small. With poisoning line maxed out I get 47% with T7 fettering. The effect of the debuff poison is so small that I don't even notice it.That skill increases parry by what, 3.5 per level? That's 28 parry more when maxed out, which probably won't make much difference, not sure.And the double shot might just be the single best skill rangers have. It procs for soloists at the same rate as for any other ranger, so why not?

Giland · 12-03-2007, 06:14 PM

well, you are going to be pretty heavily melee for awhile, so you could go str to get melee crits.You could also go sta for more HP, or wis for more defense.Later on, you can respec out of it to a new AA build that fits your play style.I believe you don't really go ranged until the low 30s maybe?I will say I maxed out defensive stance and pathfinding myself with my first 10 points too.Being able to run away isn't a bad thing.

Willian · 12-04-2007, 05:43 PM

Awsome, thanks for all the pointers SMILEY

ishammael · 12-05-2007, 12:42 PM

I have a few questions along the same lines so I figured I'd post in this thread rather than make a new one. Currently I'm 4 4 4 8 in Agi line. I'm assuming I should be going for the final Agi ability next. Should I put the 2 extra points in the agi line into run speed or more into point black shot? Should I get them both? Should I be maxing PBS? Does anyone max out the combat run speed AA for kiting?

After I'm done with the Agi line, should I be focusing on the multishot ranger line down to the final ability? or should I start to focus extension, conservation, or the predator int line? From what I'm reading it shoulds like conservation line should be next.

From reading these forums I know how I want to be specced in the end, just having some questions about which order to get there. Also I looked at the pathfinding AA that people have been reccomending, and although I know I'll be putting points in there eventually, I haven't yet since the effect suspends in combat this seems more like a general utility buff and doesnt have an impact on soloing/leveling. Thanks in advance.

Keep in mind that although I group sometimes, at this point I'd like to build all my AAs around soloing well.

Vifarc · 12-05-2007, 01:54 PM

My Predator AAs are for sprinting(and in-combat mvt) and tanking (I mainly group for my few-tank-guild, and solo):STR 4/5/8, AGI 4/5/8, WIS 4/4/8/3, INT 4/4/8As it is said, I prefer evading than being hit, so I didn't take the RES line.

Willian · 12-05-2007, 02:30 PM

Vifarc wrote:

My Predator AAs are for sprinting(and in-combat mvt) and tanking (I mainly group for my few-tank-guild, and solo):STR 4/5/8, AGI 4/5/8, WIS 4/4/8/3, INT 4/4/8As it is said, I prefer evading than being hit, so I didn't take the RES line.

Nice, thank you.

ishammael · 12-06-2007, 11:08 AM

any1 max out point blank shot? Agi in-combat run speed?

currently I have 4 in point blank shot and its easy to time it and hop back to get another ranged auto attack in....im wondering if i max it out though if i might be able to get a short cast bow move in also though like trick shot. Should I maybe revisit these two talents after I've got all my other stuff maxed?

I'm currently level 25 and loving soloing with my ranger....only part I don't like is trying to keep skills like def, parry, and pierce up to level. I've let them slack for 3 levels so now i gotta go melee greens to get them back up. I have a buckler on for extra avoidance and because the only melee attacks I really use are cheap shot, and lunge...maybe dual weild pierce will help keep at least my pierce skill current. Ideas?

12-01-2007, 07:13 PM	#1
Willian Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 60	Im level 10, Im curious as to what AA's I should select 1st. Any help I would appreciate very much. Thank you in advance. __________________

12-01-2007, 09:16 PM	#4
Willian Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 60	I solo alot, thanks for the info guys __________________

12-03-2007, 06:38 AM	#8
Deterre General Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 341	EomerFarstar wrote: If you going to solo a lot then I honestly wouldn't be no fussed about Double Shot. You will want Extension and Conservation though because they are helpful to soloists. Double-Shot is really a raid AA and so you could put the points into any other tree really. For Kos I would AGI, INT and the rest of the points either into STR parry mods or STA for more hitpoints. Full ranged and poison crits are your best friend for soloing as spell crits also effect heals on Vitality Breach " /> Why conservation? If I was going to solo a lot, I would do this: - Maximize AGI - Maximize the increase snare spell - Maximize multishot (0 points into stream of crap) - Maximize extention - Maximize poisoning line - Put the remaining 20 or so points into STA for more HP or something...

12-03-2007, 10:18 AM	#9
EomerFarst General Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 180	Deterrent wrote: EomerFarstar wrote: If you going to solo a lot then I honestly wouldn't be no fussed about Double Shot. You will want Extension and Conservation though because they are helpful to soloists. Double-Shot is really a raid AA and so you could put the points into any other tree really. For Kos I would AGI, INT and the rest of the points either into STR parry mods or STA for more hitpoints. Full ranged and poison crits are your best friend for soloing as spell crits also effect heals on Vitality Breach "> Why conservation? If I was going to solo a lot, I would do this: - Maximize AGI - Maximize the increase snare spell - Maximize multishot (0 points into stream of crap) - Maximize extention - Maximize poisoning line - Put the remaining 20 or so points into STA for more HP or something... Conservation because of the increased snares on Fettering Poison, increased debuffs and long lasting poisons. As a soloing ranger Parry is more important than HP's because the person is better off trying to avoid a hit then soaking up the samage Double-shot it nice but at 8% it just does not proc often enough for a soloist to use it.

12-03-2007, 01:12 PM	#10
Junaru Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,471	My L20 Ranger has been speccing for charm animal. RoK is a haven for animals so finding a mob shouldn't be a problem. Having a pet to me just seems like a smart thing for soling. But then again I was a Bard in EQ1 who loved swarm kiting. __________________

12-01-2007, 07:56 PM	#2
Odysia Server: Antonia Bayle Guild: Tapiolan Sankarit Rank: Member Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 108	Well, AA choices depend a lot on your play style. Do you solo a lot or do you have a regular group. My guess is if you're asking a question like this, at level 10, you're probably a new player and probably don't have a lot of friends / acqaintances yet, and so are probably soloing. Therefore you'll want something to really help with solo. Ultimately there are lots of lines you'll want to develop, but right now a few points in many areas won't really help that much. As a suggestion, (and I'm sure others may have something better to offer) you could go down the Ranger trapping line. 3 point into snare qualifies you upgrade lunge. Then put your next 5 into lunge. In terms of concrete benefits you'll see a half second increase in your root duraction for each of those 5 points. It may not sound much, but it allows you to root, back up a few feet, then get some serious bow damage in. Thiose extra half seconds are the difference between getting 2 maybe 3 big hitting CAs in instead of only 1. After that, go to the Predator tree and start down the AGI line. You'll get point blank shot fairly quickly, which is another great help for solo, then extra combat movement speed, also great for solo, and extra reanged crit chances. Once you've spent 22 points there, (plus 1 in bounty to qualify) you can spend 2 points to get Poise which knocks 35% off all your CAs. Combined with the increased root time mentioned above and you should now be able to lunge/root, back off, and do some serious bow damage, even in fairly confined spaces. Thats a total of 33 point there, and that many AAs come pretty quick if you quest rather than grind. Hope thats of some use.

12-01-2007, 08:03 PM	#3
Deterre General Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 341	The basics that most DPS rangers take are: AGI and INT lines, Multishot, Focusing and Poisoning lines. The rest is up to preference usually.

12-02-2007, 12:04 PM	#5
Hexus Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 66	If you are soloing a lot, then while you are levelling up I would strongly suggest putting points into your snare increase AA. When you get higher level it will put you over the % cap and you can drop it, but while you are grinding up it's worth the effort.-Hexus-

12-02-2007, 08:16 PM	#6
Monstage Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 28	Don't forget to join the ranger chat channel for help while you are playing. The ranger community is always willing to offer advice.type /join Butcherblock.WorldRanger

12-03-2007, 12:44 AM	#7
EomerFarst General Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 180	If you going to solo a lot then I honestly wouldn't be no fussed about Double Shot. You will want Extension and Conservation though because they are helpful to soloists. Double-Shot is really a raid AA and so you could put the points into any other tree really. For Kos I would AGI, INT and the rest of the points either into STR parry mods or STA for more hitpoints. Full ranged and poison crits are your best friend for soloing as spell crits also effect heals on Vitality Breach

12-03-2007, 02:21 PM	#11
Bre General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 366	What should you select FIRST? Pathfinding of course You have to put 3 in Def stance to get it though. No it won't add crap to your damage, but I can't stand running slow. And I play a Barb, so I really look like I am crawling even at a high runspeed. My normal choices in order are 3 def stance, 5 pathfinding, bounty, 5 caustic enhancement, agil line 4 6 4 8 2, conservation line, multishot line, 5 in focus aim ( I pick this late because 10 seconds is long enough at lower levels till you get better at kiting, the mobs get to you too fast without leg shot or fettering) Int line 4 4 4 8, extension line, str line 4 4 8 6 2 Going off memory there so I might have flubbed up some numbers. Goran - 63 Ranger, Unrest

12-03-2007, 02:56 PM	#12
Deterre General Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 341	EomerFarstar wrote: Deterrent wrote: EomerFarstar wrote: If you going to solo a lot then I honestly wouldn't be no fussed about Double Shot. You will want Extension and Conservation though because they are helpful to soloists. Double-Shot is really a raid AA and so you could put the points into any other tree really. For Kos I would AGI, INT and the rest of the points either into STR parry mods or STA for more hitpoints. Full ranged and poison crits are your best friend for soloing as spell crits also effect heals on Vitality Breach "> Why conservation? If I was going to solo a lot, I would do this: - Maximize AGI - Maximize the increase snare spell - Maximize multishot (0 points into stream of crap) - Maximize extention - Maximize poisoning line - Put the remaining 20 or so points into STA for more HP or something... Conservation because of the increased snares on Fettering Poison, increased debuffs and long lasting poisons. As a soloing ranger Parry is more important than HP's because the person is better off trying to avoid a hit then soaking up the samage Double-shot it nice but at 8% it just does not proc often enough for a soloist to use it. The snares are kinda small. With poisoning line maxed out I get 47% with T7 fettering. The effect of the debuff poison is so small that I don't even notice it.That skill increases parry by what, 3.5 per level? That's 28 parry more when maxed out, which probably won't make much difference, not sure.And the double shot might just be the single best skill rangers have. It procs for soloists at the same rate as for any other ranger, so why not?

12-03-2007, 06:14 PM	#13
Giland Tester Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 323	well, you are going to be pretty heavily melee for awhile, so you could go str to get melee crits.You could also go sta for more HP, or wis for more defense.Later on, you can respec out of it to a new AA build that fits your play style.I believe you don't really go ranged until the low 30s maybe?I will say I maxed out defensive stance and pathfinding myself with my first 10 points too.Being able to run away isn't a bad thing.

12-04-2007, 05:43 PM	#14
Willian Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 60	Awsome, thanks for all the pointers __________________

12-05-2007, 12:42 PM	#15
ishammael Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 7	I have a few questions along the same lines so I figured I'd post in this thread rather than make a new one. Currently I'm 4 4 4 8 in Agi line. I'm assuming I should be going for the final Agi ability next. Should I put the 2 extra points in the agi line into run speed or more into point black shot? Should I get them both? Should I be maxing PBS? Does anyone max out the combat run speed AA for kiting? After I'm done with the Agi line, should I be focusing on the multishot ranger line down to the final ability? or should I start to focus extension, conservation, or the predator int line? From what I'm reading it shoulds like conservation line should be next. From reading these forums I know how I want to be specced in the end, just having some questions about which order to get there. Also I looked at the pathfinding AA that people have been reccomending, and although I know I'll be putting points in there eventually, I haven't yet since the effect suspends in combat this seems more like a general utility buff and doesnt have an impact on soloing/leveling. Thanks in advance. Keep in mind that although I group sometimes, at this point I'd like to build all my AAs around soloing well.

12-05-2007, 01:54 PM	#16
Vifarc Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 317	My Predator AAs are for sprinting(and in-combat mvt) and tanking (I mainly group for my few-tank-guild, and solo):STR 4/5/8, AGI 4/5/8, WIS 4/4/8/3, INT 4/4/8As it is said, I prefer evading than being hit, so I didn't take the RES line. __________________

12-05-2007, 02:30 PM	#17
Willian Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 60	Vifarc wrote: My Predator AAs are for sprinting(and in-combat mvt) and tanking (I mainly group for my few-tank-guild, and solo):STR 4/5/8, AGI 4/5/8, WIS 4/4/8/3, INT 4/4/8As it is said, I prefer evading than being hit, so I didn't take the RES line. Nice, thank you. __________________

12-06-2007, 11:08 AM	#18
ishammael Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 7	any1 max out point blank shot? Agi in-combat run speed? currently I have 4 in point blank shot and its easy to time it and hop back to get another ranged auto attack in....im wondering if i max it out though if i might be able to get a short cast bow move in also though like trick shot. Should I maybe revisit these two talents after I've got all my other stuff maxed? I'm currently level 25 and loving soloing with my ranger....only part I don't like is trying to keep skills like def, parry, and pierce up to level. I've let them slack for 3 levels so now i gotta go melee greens to get them back up. I have a buckler on for extra avoidance and because the only melee attacks I really use are cheap shot, and lunge...maybe dual weild pierce will help keep at least my pierce skill current. Ideas?