PVP Class rankings in reverse (worst to best)

rvbarton · 11-29-2007, 09:36 AM

How about changing the theme? Which classes are worst at PVP?

IMHO:

top 5 worst classes for PVP:

1. Guardian

2. Mystic

3. Templar

4. Troubadour

5. ...

Rattfa · 11-29-2007, 09:42 AM

Dirge would be up there with Guardian. Probably Necros too.IMO Mystics, Templar well played with good AA spec are incredibly good in PvP..maybe gear dependant, im not sure...perhaps not the best but definately not the weakest.Troubadors are one of the better classes when played well.

Evenstar · 11-29-2007, 09:50 AM

Top 5 worst are:

1. Guardian - has health, nothing else at all.2. Conjuror - has stoneskin, but that's pretty much it.3. Necromancer - Squishy, squishy and...squishy!!! Nothing special to save himself other than fear and lifetaps.4. Fury - WORST PvP ancient teachings. We get: Hibernation (useable in PvP), Back into the Fray (can't be cast on self), Ring of Fire (situational) and Call of Storms (are you joking? Who in their right mind would use that...?)5. Templar - heal them to death...yeah, I see that working SMILEY . Can't kill templars...can't really get killed by MOST of them (exceptions exist of course).

Oneira · 11-29-2007, 09:56 AM

rvbarton wrote:

How about changing the theme? Which classes are worst at PVP?
IMHO:
top 5 worst classes for PVP:
1. Guardian
2. Mystic
3. Templar
4. Troubadour
5. ...

My main on Venekor is a guardian. My main on Nagafen is a mystic. What was I thinking?? ((PS I think mystics are a bit tougher than you think in pvp. At least it's been that way for me so far up through t4.

Omgidomms · 11-29-2007, 10:02 AM

I would put my necro on #1 spot :pIt not the worst pvp class, but it's the easiest class to kill(gank) fast.It's just to easy for way to many classes to kill before your able to cast a spell SMILEY

Amphibia · 11-29-2007, 10:24 AM

1. Necro/conjuror (Just too squishy. Can't run away and can't evac. Just stun, snare or root them, and you got them. Token pinatas for everyone and their dogs too. Their pets can't even keep up with them when they run around. )2. Guardian (Can't kill anything. Can't really get away from anything either.)3. Defiler/Templar (These guys need a group all the time, or they'll never see even 1 piece of PvP gear.)4. Coercer/Illusionist (Way too squishy, can't get away from a gank ever. Better than summoners though, due to more control effects.)5. Dirge (Difficult to play, but also difficult to catch.)This list is based on solo PvP only. I've taken both survivability and ability to kill into account. In a fair 1 v 1, some of these classes do have a decent chance. But that's not how it usually works...

Naglfar · 11-29-2007, 10:43 AM

Pfff Guards are overpowered but fortunatly they're the only one to know this fact

Omgidomms · 11-29-2007, 10:45 AM

Naglfar@Venekor wrote:

Pfff Guards are overpowered but fortunatly they're the only one to know this fact

Atleast they have a good ability called "tanking" when they pvp in grps SMILEY

Omgidomms · 11-29-2007, 10:51 AM

Solo pvp:#1 Necromancer#2 Conjurer#3 Guardian#4 Templar, DefilerGroup pvp:#1 Necromancer#2 Conjurer#3 Hm, i'm lost.. Healers are all needed for group pvp and most bards got good abilities like charm and some ok dps.Maybe Dirge, Mystic and a melee ranger? :pEdit: Just talked with a friend of mine and he either can't find the #3 worst pvp class after summoners in group pvp. this is bad SMILEY

Bozidar · 11-29-2007, 11:04 AM

1. Whichever toon you play

2. Whichever toon you play

3. Whichever toon you play

4. Whichever toon you play

5. Whichever toon you play

Omgidomms · 11-29-2007, 11:09 AM

Bozidar wrote:

1. Whichever toon you play
2. Whichever toon you play
3. Whichever toon you play
4. Whichever toon you play
5. Whichever toon you play

That is not true! Troubs are good in group pvp SMILEY Still better than guardians in solo pvp, but far from best!

The toon you play is around 7-12, sorry no #1 on you SMILEY

treyy · 11-29-2007, 11:17 AM

Troubadors are amazing in pvp, ive seen one kill people 2v1 several times

Until there are cure mezz/charm pots, illusionists and coercers are by far one of the stronger pvp classes along with troub

Conjs if played correctly are good(not amazing) but can hold their own. They do need some help, but theyre far from the worst.

With the right Aa spec mystics can put out a decent amount of dps

Necros are in the top 5, Guardians are in the top 5, Dirges are in the top 5, Defilers are in the top 5(dont know how they compare to mystic dps), I guess templars since their dps is god awful

Omgidomms · 11-29-2007, 11:20 AM

Lack@Nagafen wrote:

Troubadors are amazing in pvp, ive seen one kill people 2v1 several times
Until there are cure mezz/charm pots, illusionists and coercers are by far one of the stronger pvp classes along with troub
Conjs if played correctly are good(not amazing) but can hold their own. They do need some help, but theyre far from the worst.
With the right Aa spec mystics can put out a decent amount of dps
Necros are in the top 5, Guardians are in the top 5, Dirges are in the top 5, Defilers are in the top 5(dont know how they compare to mystic dps), I guess templars since their dps is god awful

I take it this is solo pvp right?Do you have a group pvp list?

Amphibia · 11-29-2007, 11:32 AM

Nah, nm.

Roald · 11-29-2007, 01:14 PM

Evenstar wrote:

Top 5 worst are:
1. Guardian - has health, nothing else at all.2. Conjuror - has stoneskin, but that's pretty much it.3. Necromancer - Squishy, squishy and...squishy!!! Nothing special to save himself other than fear and lifetaps.4. Fury - WORST PvP ancient teachings. We get: Hibernation (useable in PvP), Back into the Fray (can't be cast on self), Ring of Fire (situational) and Call of Storms (are you joking? Who in their right mind would use that...?)5. Templar - heal them to death...yeah, I see that working " width="15" height="15" />. Can't kill templars...can't really get killed by MOST of them (exceptions exist of course).

The fury thing is a joke right? Fury ancients are pretty great in PvP, maybe not for Solo pvp, but then again quite a few ancients are group based.

1) Guard

2) Necro

3) Conj

4) Zerker

5) Dirge

Notsovilepriest · 11-29-2007, 03:15 PM

Mystics stink at group PvP, but are really good at 1 on 1 and 2 v 1's.

soultracker · 11-29-2007, 04:01 PM

Yes i have a fury and yes i have spent over 800plats on it and yes it has a full set of pvp armor and yes i got 3700 pvp kills (keep in mind that is the only toon i ever play) and YES YES it looks like the best toon for pvp

Would i of chosen a different toon had i known furys (SUCK) the answear is YES YES YES

Furys can't last more then 8 secs in combat vs ((ANY)) melee fighting class, and AGI ??????? [Removed for Content] a cloth armor class can survive longer then me. now we get interrupted, stunt, stiffled, vision blruired ect ...ect.... and please don't give me that serenity BS, if you get stunt and didn't have the chance to cast it ...just dont fight and start thinking where to revive.

No evac ??? [Removed for Content] a plate armor and a chain armor class can and we can't???? why because someone actuly was dumb enough to beleive we can heal our selfs while taking 1000000 slashing per sec????????

can't use POC and honeste i don't care about running from a pvp fight unles its a group (in that case i don't wanna run it pointless [Removed for Content] ) WE NEED EVAC, why can't we have it???? what difference does it make ????..... mages do scouts do why not us, if some assasins rangers and others can kill me in about 6 seconds (this is not fiction) its an actual fact.

So please who ever says Soultracker is a overpowered fury just (Shut it) i only ever play that toon all the time and lots of times

PS: now you know why i'm still a slayer

Kinox · 11-29-2007, 04:51 PM

Lets look at which classes have evac yes? Wiz, warden, scouts, SK.If you cant heal youself in a one v one, you need to up your focus or carry some immunity signets/pots with you. POTC was nerfed because furies were abusing it to go in, try to one shot someone, and then run away at 100% speed in combat when things didn't go their way. Show me another class (besides those OP rangers) that can exscape a fight as easilly. As far as i know, no class can escape a pvp fight except a brigand with safehouse, but that has limited range and the brig becomes immune to safehouse for a time and is still in combat after using it.You wear LEATHER which is pretty decent, god knows clothies would LOVE to wear leather. If you dont have enough avoidance, you need to stack some more AGI jewlery or stuff with defense on it.Furies have the highest dps to healing ratio of all the healers if im not mistaken, with the possible exception of melee mystics.In summation: You probably aren't playing your fury correctly if you are getting owned on a regular basis and you need to reconsider your gear/aa choices.One thing about potc though: if you haven't otherwise engaged in combat, you should be able pop potc and get away. If that is not the case due to SOE's lack of forseight, then i agree that it needs to be fixed. PotC shouldn't stick you in combat if you have otherwise not engaged.

toenukl · 11-29-2007, 04:52 PM

soultracker wrote:

Yes i have a fury and yes i have spent over 800plats on it and yes it has a full set of pvp armor and yes i got 3700 pvp kills (keep in mind that is the only toon i ever play) and YES YES it looks like the best toon for pvp
Would i of chosen a different toon had i known furys (SUCK) the answear is YES YES YES
Furys can't last more then 8 secs in combat vs ((ANY)) melee fighting class, and AGI ??????? [Removed for Content] a cloth armor class can survive longer then me. now we get interrupted, stunt, stiffled, vision blruired ect ...ect.... and please don't give me that serenity BS, if you get stunt and didn't have the chance to cast it ...just dont fight and start thinking where to revive.
No evac ??? [Removed for Content] a plate armor and a chain armor class can and we can't???? why because someone actuly was dumb enough to beleive we can heal our selfs while taking 1000000 slashing per sec????????
can't use POC and honeste i don't care about running from a pvp fight unles its a group (in that case i don't wanna run it pointless [Removed for Content] ) WE NEED EVAC, why can't we have it???? what difference does it make ????..... mages do scouts do why not us, if some assasins rangers and others can kill me in about 6 seconds (this is not fiction) its an actual fact.
So please who ever says Soultracker is a overpowered fury just (Shut it) i only ever play that toon all the time and lots of times
PS: now you know why i'm still a slayer

As a t8 fury, I've gotta say we are for sure not in the bottom 5, but no where near in the top 5 either. In t2-5 I would say Fury is in the top 3 however.Serenity btw does help me out a ton against swashies and other melee classes, as well as potions. Also there is a bracelet you can get at 30k faction on PvP merchant that you can use even stifled/stunned that makes you immune to like everything. That being said, Swashies and Rangers kill me about 90% of the time still heh. Guess they are the Paper to my Rock.. or Scissors to my paper... or something...Back on Topic:Solo1. Necromancer2. Guardian3. Templar4. Conjurer5. DirgeGroup PvP I think is fairly balanced and every class can help out if they know what they are doing.

Zaci · 11-29-2007, 05:36 PM

soultracker wrote:

Yes i have a fury and yes i have spent over 800plats on it and yes it has a full set of pvp armor and yes i got 3700 pvp kills (keep in mind that is the only toon i ever play) and YES YES it looks like the best toon for pvp
Would i of chosen a different toon had i known furys (SUCK) the answear is YES YES YES
Furys can't last more then 8 secs in combat vs ((ANY)) melee fighting class, and AGI ??????? [Removed for Content] a cloth armor class can survive longer then me. now we get interrupted, stunt, stiffled, vision blruired ect ...ect.... and please don't give me that serenity BS, if you get stunt and didn't have the chance to cast it ...just dont fight and start thinking where to revive.
No evac ??? [Removed for Content] a plate armor and a chain armor class can and we can't???? why because someone actuly was dumb enough to beleive we can heal our selfs while taking 1000000 slashing per sec????????
can't use POC and honeste i don't care about running from a pvp fight unles its a group (in that case i don't wanna run it pointless [Removed for Content] ) WE NEED EVAC, why can't we have it???? what difference does it make ????..... mages do scouts do why not us, if some assasins rangers and others can kill me in about 6 seconds (this is not fiction) its an actual fact.
So please who ever says Soultracker is a overpowered fury just (Shut it) i only ever play that toon all the time and lots of times
PS: now you know why i'm still a slayer

rofl, piercing not slashing damageall the way baby. Cry more?

Roald · 11-29-2007, 05:55 PM

soultracker wrote:

Yes i have a fury and yes i have spent over 800plats on it and yes it has a full set of pvp armor and yes i got 3700 pvp kills (keep in mind that is the only toon i ever play) and YES YES it looks like the best toon for pvp
Would i of chosen a different toon had i known furys (SUCK) the answear is YES YES YES
Furys can't last more then 8 secs in combat vs ((ANY)) melee fighting class, and AGI ??????? [Removed for Content] a cloth armor class can survive longer then me. now we get interrupted, stunt, stiffled, vision blruired ect ...ect.... and please don't give me that serenity BS, if you get stunt and didn't have the chance to cast it ...just dont fight and start thinking where to revive.
No evac ??? [Removed for Content] a plate armor and a chain armor class can and we can't???? why because someone actuly was dumb enough to beleive we can heal our selfs while taking 1000000 slashing per sec????????
can't use POC and honeste i don't care about running from a pvp fight unles its a group (in that case i don't wanna run it pointless [Removed for Content] ) WE NEED EVAC, why can't we have it???? what difference does it make ????..... mages do scouts do why not us, if some assasins rangers and others can kill me in about 6 seconds (this is not fiction) its an actual fact.
So please who ever says Soultracker is a overpowered fury just (Shut it) i only ever play that toon all the time and lots of times
PS: now you know why i'm still a slayer

Firstly, how would a clothie take longer to kill than you? You have much higher mit, HEALS, and tend to have more HP.

Secondly, you should definately not be being killed that easily by any melee class. Do your emergencies have any cast time? Doesn't your INT AA line buff mean you are only rarely interrupted on your 1 second heal (unless you have a group beating on you of course)?

Thirdly, Wizards have evac. When you say mages do you realise there are 5 other classes in there without it?

Fourthly, blurred vision does not affect your ability to heal yourself, or decrease the time it takes for you to be killed by Burst DPS.

And last and not least, Furies don't suck, and why would you reroll to an even easier class if you were given the choice?

soultracker · 11-29-2007, 05:58 PM

Zaci@Nagafen wrote:

soultracker wrote:
Yes i have a fury and yes i have spent over 800plats on it and yes it has a full set of pvp armor and yes i got 3700 pvp kills (keep in mind that is the only toon i ever play) and YES YES it looks like the best toon for pvp
Would i of chosen a different toon had i known furys (SUCK) the answear is YES YES YES
Furys can't last more then 8 secs in combat vs ((ANY)) melee fighting class, and AGI ??????? [Removed for Content] a cloth armor class can survive longer then me. now we get interrupted, stunt, stiffled, vision blruired ect ...ect.... and please don't give me that serenity BS, if you get stunt and didn't have the chance to cast it ...just dont fight and start thinking where to revive.
No evac ??? [Removed for Content] a plate armor and a chain armor class can and we can't???? why because someone actuly was dumb enough to beleive we can heal our selfs while taking 1000000 slashing per sec????????
can't use POC and honeste i don't care about running from a pvp fight unles its a group (in that case i don't wanna run it pointless [Removed for Content] ) WE NEED EVAC, why can't we have it???? what difference does it make ????..... mages do scouts do why not us, if some assasins rangers and others can kill me in about 6 seconds (this is not fiction) its an actual fact.
So please who ever says Soultracker is a overpowered fury just (Shut it) i only ever play that toon all the time and lots of times
PS: now you know why i'm still a slayer
rofl, piercing not slashing damageall the way baby. Cry more?

LOL i am not crying i am simply giving my opinion, you probably don't know anything about skill since you only nee to press on attack bottons, so i'll listen to the 2 players prior to you they got more important things to talk about SMILEY , nothing personal friend

Bloodfa · 11-29-2007, 06:04 PM

Furies at the bottom? No way. Perhaps you need to read up on the class a bit, or change your playing style, because they take longer to kill than a clothie. Unless the clothie has manashield up. Then it's just longer to wait for it to either wear off or burn through.

Psych · 11-30-2007, 02:11 AM

"Until there are cure mezz/charm pots, illusionists and coercers are by far one of the stronger pvp classes along with troub"I played a dirge a bit and thot it rocked, not troub tho.Roll a coercer if you think they are strong. A coercer is about as strong as a necro with 2 stuns and a mez but minus the pet. Please PLEASE do not say charm is a good pvp skill as coercer charm takes as long to cast as it takes most classes to cast 3-6 spells/ca'sReally...its like this everyone thinks they get nerfed and gimped but the truth is everyone can see obviously who is stronger and who is weaker. Its simple. What class do you see most? Thats #1 strongest class.Which do you see least? Thats weakest! Congrats, your MATH has increased 1/5!Dont kid yourself its a pvp server most are gonna play what wins. Thats why 35% of the qeynosians I've seen are rangers, 45% are healers, and the last bit have been a mix of monks/mages. 1 swashy...1 illu...literally.

Little Helper · 11-30-2007, 05:10 AM

Templars aren't THAT bad SMILEY

Gagla · 11-30-2007, 05:47 AM

Little Helper wrote:

Templars aren't THAT bad

Anyone who thinks templars are in the top 5 worst pvp classes has never seen a good one.

toenukl · 11-30-2007, 01:14 PM

Gaglaak@Vox wrote:

Little Helper wrote:
Templars aren't THAT bad
Anyone who thinks templars are in the top 5 worst pvp classes has never seen a good one.

Heh, I put them so low because I've literally only fought MAYBE 3 since pvp servers launched, and all 3 times they were super super easy for me. They couldn't heal as fast as I could damage... Then again, in t7/8 all I ever find solo are Rangers and Swashies, so really hard to judge soloing PvP ability of classes. And my new policy on healer vs healer fights is to /bow and go my separate ways lol, no need for an hour long duel.

kukubird · 11-30-2007, 05:39 PM

Templars can be some of the best pvpers in game hands down. Regarding the original topic. Necro is by far thw absolute worst class in pvp. Unless you mean if they somehow get a root off and can run away. LOL necro is the only class i know that has so little for pvp. and what little it does have, our attacks break it in less then 1 second. Add squishy and no burst dps and there you have it. Don't know what the devs were thinking.

Kinox · 11-30-2007, 06:17 PM

I just noticed that people want to put dirges in the bottom 5 buti submit to you that anything with track and evac is NOT the worst class to play in pvp.I originally played a necro for the frist year and a half of the nagafen server. I know a thing or two about getting owned in pvp.I rolled a troubador for raiding purposes and discovered that even though its very low dps, its still quite good. I have never played a dirge, but i know that the key to my success is being able to evac from unfair odds and track down a fair fight. Yes, i occasionally roll a greenie or i kill someone who has a mob on them, but who among us hasn't? I guess what im trying to say is, with the exception of summoners and maybe guardians every other class in this game has a fair shot at killing a decent amount ofpeople they come across.

pseudocide · 11-30-2007, 06:33 PM

in other words,

the worst class = the class you play

the best class = every class you can't kill

the end

11-29-2007, 10:24 AM	#6
Amphibia Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,256	1. Necro/conjuror (Just too squishy. Can't run away and can't evac. Just stun, snare or root them, and you got them. Token pinatas for everyone and their dogs too. Their pets can't even keep up with them when they run around. )2. Guardian (Can't kill anything. Can't really get away from anything either.)3. Defiler/Templar (These guys need a group all the time, or they'll never see even 1 piece of PvP gear.)4. Coercer/Illusionist (Way too squishy, can't get away from a gank ever. Better than summoners though, due to more control effects.)5. Dirge (Difficult to play, but also difficult to catch.)This list is based on solo PvP only. I've taken both survivability and ability to kill into account. In a fair 1 v 1, some of these classes do have a decent chance. But that's not how it usually works... __________________

11-29-2007, 10:43 AM	#7
Naglfar Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 150	Pfff Guards are overpowered but fortunatly they're the only one to know this fact __________________ - retired -

11-29-2007, 10:45 AM	#8
Omgidomms Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 132	Naglfar@Venekor wrote: Pfff Guards are overpowered but fortunatly they're the only one to know this fact Atleast they have a good ability called "tanking" when they pvp in grps

11-29-2007, 11:09 AM	#11
Omgidomms Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 132	Bozidar wrote: 1. Whichever toon you play 2. Whichever toon you play 3. Whichever toon you play 4. Whichever toon you play 5. Whichever toon you play That is not true! Troubs are good in group pvp Still better than guardians in solo pvp, but far from best! The toon you play is around 7-12, sorry no #1 on you

11-29-2007, 11:17 AM	#12
treyy Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 43	Troubadors are amazing in pvp, ive seen one kill people 2v1 several times Until there are cure mezz/charm pots, illusionists and coercers are by far one of the stronger pvp classes along with troub Conjs if played correctly are good(not amazing) but can hold their own. They do need some help, but theyre far from the worst. With the right Aa spec mystics can put out a decent amount of dps Necros are in the top 5, Guardians are in the top 5, Dirges are in the top 5, Defilers are in the top 5(dont know how they compare to mystic dps), I guess templars since their dps is god awful __________________

11-29-2007, 09:36 AM	#1
rvbarton Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Euless, Texas Posts: 312	How about changing the theme? Which classes are worst at PVP? IMHO: top 5 worst classes for PVP: 1. Guardian 2. Mystic 3. Templar 4. Troubadour 5. ...

11-29-2007, 09:42 AM	#2
Rattfa Server: Nagafen Guild: Purity Rank: Friends And Family General Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: England Posts: 1,083	Dirge would be up there with Guardian. Probably Necros too.IMO Mystics, Templar well played with good AA spec are incredibly good in PvP..maybe gear dependant, im not sure...perhaps not the best but definately not the weakest.Troubadors are one of the better classes when played well. __________________ Squeeeek, 80 Brigand - Nagafen Rattface, 80 Fury - Nagafen

11-29-2007, 09:50 AM	#3
Evenstar Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 46	Top 5 worst are: 1. Guardian - has health, nothing else at all.2. Conjuror - has stoneskin, but that's pretty much it.3. Necromancer - Squishy, squishy and...squishy!!! Nothing special to save himself other than fear and lifetaps.4. Fury - WORST PvP ancient teachings. We get: Hibernation (useable in PvP), Back into the Fray (can't be cast on self), Ring of Fire (situational) and Call of Storms (are you joking? Who in their right mind would use that...?)5. Templar - heal them to death...yeah, I see that working . Can't kill templars...can't really get killed by MOST of them (exceptions exist of course).

11-29-2007, 09:56 AM	#4
Oneira Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 461	rvbarton wrote: How about changing the theme? Which classes are worst at PVP? IMHO: top 5 worst classes for PVP: 1. Guardian 2. Mystic 3. Templar 4. Troubadour 5. ... My main on Venekor is a guardian. My main on Nagafen is a mystic. What was I thinking?? ((PS I think mystics are a bit tougher than you think in pvp. At least it's been that way for me so far up through t4.

11-29-2007, 10:02 AM	#5
Omgidomms Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 132	I would put my necro on #1 spot :pIt not the worst pvp class, but it's the easiest class to kill(gank) fast.It's just to easy for way to many classes to kill before your able to cast a spell

11-29-2007, 10:51 AM	#9
Omgidomms Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 132	Solo pvp:#1 Necromancer#2 Conjurer#3 Guardian#4 Templar, DefilerGroup pvp:#1 Necromancer#2 Conjurer#3 Hm, i'm lost.. Healers are all needed for group pvp and most bards got good abilities like charm and some ok dps.Maybe Dirge, Mystic and a melee ranger? :pEdit: Just talked with a friend of mine and he either can't find the #3 worst pvp class after summoners in group pvp. this is bad

11-29-2007, 11:04 AM	#10
Bozidar Loremaster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,292	1. Whichever toon you play 2. Whichever toon you play 3. Whichever toon you play 4. Whichever toon you play 5. Whichever toon you play

11-29-2007, 11:20 AM	#13
Omgidomms Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 132	Lack@Nagafen wrote: Troubadors are amazing in pvp, ive seen one kill people 2v1 several times Until there are cure mezz/charm pots, illusionists and coercers are by far one of the stronger pvp classes along with troub Conjs if played correctly are good(not amazing) but can hold their own. They do need some help, but theyre far from the worst. With the right Aa spec mystics can put out a decent amount of dps Necros are in the top 5, Guardians are in the top 5, Dirges are in the top 5, Defilers are in the top 5(dont know how they compare to mystic dps), I guess templars since their dps is god awful I take it this is solo pvp right?Do you have a group pvp list?

11-29-2007, 11:32 AM	#14
Amphibia Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,256	Nah, nm. __________________

11-29-2007, 01:14 PM	#15
Roald Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Location: London Posts: 1,417	Evenstar wrote: Top 5 worst are: 1. Guardian - has health, nothing else at all.2. Conjuror - has stoneskin, but that's pretty much it.3. Necromancer - Squishy, squishy and...squishy!!! Nothing special to save himself other than fear and lifetaps.4. Fury - WORST PvP ancient teachings. We get: Hibernation (useable in PvP), Back into the Fray (can't be cast on self), Ring of Fire (situational) and Call of Storms (are you joking? Who in their right mind would use that...?)5. Templar - heal them to death...yeah, I see that working " width="15" height="15" />. Can't kill templars...can't really get killed by MOST of them (exceptions exist of course). The fury thing is a joke right? Fury ancients are pretty great in PvP, maybe not for Solo pvp, but then again quite a few ancients are group based. 1) Guard 2) Necro 3) Conj 4) Zerker 5) Dirge __________________ Lickle Milambers Qtoon

11-29-2007, 03:15 PM	#16
Notsovilepriest Server: Nagafen Guild: Ill Gotten Gain Rank: Raider Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,184	Mystics stink at group PvP, but are really good at 1 on 1 and 2 v 1's. __________________

11-29-2007, 04:01 PM	#17
soultracker Lord Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2	Yes i have a fury and yes i have spent over 800plats on it and yes it has a full set of pvp armor and yes i got 3700 pvp kills (keep in mind that is the only toon i ever play) and YES YES it looks like the best toon for pvp Would i of chosen a different toon had i known furys (SUCK) the answear is YES YES YES Furys can't last more then 8 secs in combat vs ((ANY)) melee fighting class, and AGI ??????? [Removed for Content] a cloth armor class can survive longer then me. now we get interrupted, stunt, stiffled, vision blruired ect ...ect.... and please don't give me that serenity BS, if you get stunt and didn't have the chance to cast it ...just dont fight and start thinking where to revive. No evac ??? [Removed for Content] a plate armor and a chain armor class can and we can't???? why because someone actuly was dumb enough to beleive we can heal our selfs while taking 1000000 slashing per sec???????? can't use POC and honeste i don't care about running from a pvp fight unles its a group (in that case i don't wanna run it pointless [Removed for Content] ) WE NEED EVAC, why can't we have it???? what difference does it make ????..... mages do scouts do why not us, if some assasins rangers and others can kill me in about 6 seconds (this is not fiction) its an actual fact. So please who ever says Soultracker is a overpowered fury just (Shut it) i only ever play that toon all the time and lots of times PS: now you know why i'm still a slayer

11-29-2007, 04:51 PM	#18
Kinox Server: Nagafen Guild: Resurrection Rank: Disciple Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 70	Lets look at which classes have evac yes? Wiz, warden, scouts, SK.If you cant heal youself in a one v one, you need to up your focus or carry some immunity signets/pots with you. POTC was nerfed because furies were abusing it to go in, try to one shot someone, and then run away at 100% speed in combat when things didn't go their way. Show me another class (besides those OP rangers) that can exscape a fight as easilly. As far as i know, no class can escape a pvp fight except a brigand with safehouse, but that has limited range and the brig becomes immune to safehouse for a time and is still in combat after using it.You wear LEATHER which is pretty decent, god knows clothies would LOVE to wear leather. If you dont have enough avoidance, you need to stack some more AGI jewlery or stuff with defense on it.Furies have the highest dps to healing ratio of all the healers if im not mistaken, with the possible exception of melee mystics.In summation: You probably aren't playing your fury correctly if you are getting owned on a regular basis and you need to reconsider your gear/aa choices.One thing about potc though: if you haven't otherwise engaged in combat, you should be able pop potc and get away. If that is not the case due to SOE's lack of forseight, then i agree that it needs to be fixed. PotC shouldn't stick you in combat if you have otherwise not engaged.

11-29-2007, 04:52 PM	#19
toenukl General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 212	soultracker wrote: Yes i have a fury and yes i have spent over 800plats on it and yes it has a full set of pvp armor and yes i got 3700 pvp kills (keep in mind that is the only toon i ever play) and YES YES it looks like the best toon for pvp Would i of chosen a different toon had i known furys (SUCK) the answear is YES YES YES Furys can't last more then 8 secs in combat vs ((ANY)) melee fighting class, and AGI ??????? [Removed for Content] a cloth armor class can survive longer then me. now we get interrupted, stunt, stiffled, vision blruired ect ...ect.... and please don't give me that serenity BS, if you get stunt and didn't have the chance to cast it ...just dont fight and start thinking where to revive. No evac ??? [Removed for Content] a plate armor and a chain armor class can and we can't???? why because someone actuly was dumb enough to beleive we can heal our selfs while taking 1000000 slashing per sec???????? can't use POC and honeste i don't care about running from a pvp fight unles its a group (in that case i don't wanna run it pointless [Removed for Content] ) WE NEED EVAC, why can't we have it???? what difference does it make ????..... mages do scouts do why not us, if some assasins rangers and others can kill me in about 6 seconds (this is not fiction) its an actual fact. So please who ever says Soultracker is a overpowered fury just (Shut it) i only ever play that toon all the time and lots of times PS: now you know why i'm still a slayer As a t8 fury, I've gotta say we are for sure not in the bottom 5, but no where near in the top 5 either. In t2-5 I would say Fury is in the top 3 however.Serenity btw does help me out a ton against swashies and other melee classes, as well as potions. Also there is a bracelet you can get at 30k faction on PvP merchant that you can use even stifled/stunned that makes you immune to like everything. That being said, Swashies and Rangers kill me about 90% of the time still heh. Guess they are the Paper to my Rock.. or Scissors to my paper... or something...Back on Topic:Solo1. Necromancer2. Guardian3. Templar4. Conjurer5. DirgeGroup PvP I think is fairly balanced and every class can help out if they know what they are doing. __________________

11-29-2007, 05:36 PM	#20
Zaci Server: Nagafen Guild: Champions of Sebilis Rank: Soldier (50000 GSP) Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 109	soultracker wrote: Yes i have a fury and yes i have spent over 800plats on it and yes it has a full set of pvp armor and yes i got 3700 pvp kills (keep in mind that is the only toon i ever play) and YES YES it looks like the best toon for pvp Would i of chosen a different toon had i known furys (SUCK) the answear is YES YES YES Furys can't last more then 8 secs in combat vs ((ANY)) melee fighting class, and AGI ??????? [Removed for Content] a cloth armor class can survive longer then me. now we get interrupted, stunt, stiffled, vision blruired ect ...ect.... and please don't give me that serenity BS, if you get stunt and didn't have the chance to cast it ...just dont fight and start thinking where to revive. No evac ??? [Removed for Content] a plate armor and a chain armor class can and we can't???? why because someone actuly was dumb enough to beleive we can heal our selfs while taking 1000000 slashing per sec???????? can't use POC and honeste i don't care about running from a pvp fight unles its a group (in that case i don't wanna run it pointless [Removed for Content] ) WE NEED EVAC, why can't we have it???? what difference does it make ????..... mages do scouts do why not us, if some assasins rangers and others can kill me in about 6 seconds (this is not fiction) its an actual fact. So please who ever says Soultracker is a overpowered fury just (Shut it) i only ever play that toon all the time and lots of times PS: now you know why i'm still a slayer rofl, piercing not slashing damageall the way baby. Cry more? __________________ Zaci- Swashbuckler Purity I like pvp.

11-29-2007, 05:55 PM	#21
Roald Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Location: London Posts: 1,417	soultracker wrote: Yes i have a fury and yes i have spent over 800plats on it and yes it has a full set of pvp armor and yes i got 3700 pvp kills (keep in mind that is the only toon i ever play) and YES YES it looks like the best toon for pvp Would i of chosen a different toon had i known furys (SUCK) the answear is YES YES YES Furys can't last more then 8 secs in combat vs ((ANY)) melee fighting class, and AGI ??????? [Removed for Content] a cloth armor class can survive longer then me. now we get interrupted, stunt, stiffled, vision blruired ect ...ect.... and please don't give me that serenity BS, if you get stunt and didn't have the chance to cast it ...just dont fight and start thinking where to revive. No evac ??? [Removed for Content] a plate armor and a chain armor class can and we can't???? why because someone actuly was dumb enough to beleive we can heal our selfs while taking 1000000 slashing per sec???????? can't use POC and honeste i don't care about running from a pvp fight unles its a group (in that case i don't wanna run it pointless [Removed for Content] ) WE NEED EVAC, why can't we have it???? what difference does it make ????..... mages do scouts do why not us, if some assasins rangers and others can kill me in about 6 seconds (this is not fiction) its an actual fact. So please who ever says Soultracker is a overpowered fury just (Shut it) i only ever play that toon all the time and lots of times PS: now you know why i'm still a slayer Firstly, how would a clothie take longer to kill than you? You have much higher mit, HEALS, and tend to have more HP. Secondly, you should definately not be being killed that easily by any melee class. Do your emergencies have any cast time? Doesn't your INT AA line buff mean you are only rarely interrupted on your 1 second heal (unless you have a group beating on you of course)? Thirdly, Wizards have evac. When you say mages do you realise there are 5 other classes in there without it? Fourthly, blurred vision does not affect your ability to heal yourself, or decrease the time it takes for you to be killed by Burst DPS. And last and not least, Furies don't suck, and why would you reroll to an even easier class if you were given the choice? __________________ Lickle Milambers Qtoon

11-29-2007, 05:58 PM	#22
soultracker Lord Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2	Zaci@Nagafen wrote: soultracker wrote: Yes i have a fury and yes i have spent over 800plats on it and yes it has a full set of pvp armor and yes i got 3700 pvp kills (keep in mind that is the only toon i ever play) and YES YES it looks like the best toon for pvp Would i of chosen a different toon had i known furys (SUCK) the answear is YES YES YES Furys can't last more then 8 secs in combat vs ((ANY)) melee fighting class, and AGI ??????? [Removed for Content] a cloth armor class can survive longer then me. now we get interrupted, stunt, stiffled, vision blruired ect ...ect.... and please don't give me that serenity BS, if you get stunt and didn't have the chance to cast it ...just dont fight and start thinking where to revive. No evac ??? [Removed for Content] a plate armor and a chain armor class can and we can't???? why because someone actuly was dumb enough to beleive we can heal our selfs while taking 1000000 slashing per sec???????? can't use POC and honeste i don't care about running from a pvp fight unles its a group (in that case i don't wanna run it pointless [Removed for Content] ) WE NEED EVAC, why can't we have it???? what difference does it make ????..... mages do scouts do why not us, if some assasins rangers and others can kill me in about 6 seconds (this is not fiction) its an actual fact. So please who ever says Soultracker is a overpowered fury just (Shut it) i only ever play that toon all the time and lots of times PS: now you know why i'm still a slayer rofl, piercing not slashing damageall the way baby. Cry more? LOL i am not crying i am simply giving my opinion, you probably don't know anything about skill since you only nee to press on attack bottons, so i'll listen to the 2 players prior to you they got more important things to talk about , nothing personal friend

11-29-2007, 06:04 PM	#23
Bloodfa Server: Nagafen General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,873	Furies at the bottom? No way. Perhaps you need to read up on the class a bit, or change your playing style, because they take longer to kill than a clothie. Unless the clothie has manashield up. Then it's just longer to wait for it to either wear off or burn through. __________________

11-30-2007, 02:11 AM	#24
Psych Augur Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 201	"Until there are cure mezz/charm pots, illusionists and coercers are by far one of the stronger pvp classes along with troub"I played a dirge a bit and thot it rocked, not troub tho.Roll a coercer if you think they are strong. A coercer is about as strong as a necro with 2 stuns and a mez but minus the pet. Please PLEASE do not say charm is a good pvp skill as coercer charm takes as long to cast as it takes most classes to cast 3-6 spells/ca'sReally...its like this everyone thinks they get nerfed and gimped but the truth is everyone can see obviously who is stronger and who is weaker. Its simple. What class do you see most? Thats #1 strongest class.Which do you see least? Thats weakest! Congrats, your MATH has increased 1/5!Dont kid yourself its a pvp server most are gonna play what wins. Thats why 35% of the qeynosians I've seen are rangers, 45% are healers, and the last bit have been a mix of monks/mages. 1 swashy...1 illu...literally.

11-30-2007, 05:10 AM	#25
Little Helper Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2	Templars aren't THAT bad

11-30-2007, 05:47 AM	#26
Gagla General Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: New York Posts: 159	Little Helper wrote: Templars aren't THAT bad Anyone who thinks templars are in the top 5 worst pvp classes has never seen a good one.

11-30-2007, 01:14 PM	#27
toenukl General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 212	Gaglaak@Vox wrote: Little Helper wrote: Templars aren't THAT bad Anyone who thinks templars are in the top 5 worst pvp classes has never seen a good one. Heh, I put them so low because I've literally only fought MAYBE 3 since pvp servers launched, and all 3 times they were super super easy for me. They couldn't heal as fast as I could damage... Then again, in t7/8 all I ever find solo are Rangers and Swashies, so really hard to judge soloing PvP ability of classes. And my new policy on healer vs healer fights is to /bow and go my separate ways lol, no need for an hour long duel. __________________

11-30-2007, 05:39 PM	#28
kukubird Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 185	Templars can be some of the best pvpers in game hands down. Regarding the original topic. Necro is by far thw absolute worst class in pvp. Unless you mean if they somehow get a root off and can run away. LOL necro is the only class i know that has so little for pvp. and what little it does have, our attacks break it in less then 1 second. Add squishy and no burst dps and there you have it. Don't know what the devs were thinking.

11-30-2007, 06:17 PM	#29
Kinox Server: Nagafen Guild: Resurrection Rank: Disciple Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 70	I just noticed that people want to put dirges in the bottom 5 buti submit to you that anything with track and evac is NOT the worst class to play in pvp.I originally played a necro for the frist year and a half of the nagafen server. I know a thing or two about getting owned in pvp.I rolled a troubador for raiding purposes and discovered that even though its very low dps, its still quite good. I have never played a dirge, but i know that the key to my success is being able to evac from unfair odds and track down a fair fight. Yes, i occasionally roll a greenie or i kill someone who has a mob on them, but who among us hasn't? I guess what im trying to say is, with the exception of summoners and maybe guardians every other class in this game has a fair shot at killing a decent amount ofpeople they come across.

11-30-2007, 06:33 PM	#30
pseudocide Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 244	in other words, the worst class = the class you play the best class = every class you can't kill the end __________________