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Unread 11-15-2007, 12:43 AM   #1
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Domino,I am totally cool with the tradeskill xp being changed for doing writs. It was way too high before. One problem I just noticed, however. I have done a couple T8 (level 70) rush order writs and I haven't been reimbursed for the coal cost. This is the "Guards, Guards!" armorer writ. I'm not sure if other tradeskillers are running into this problem, but with the pretty substantial cost for T8 fuels I am noticing this is setting me back a lot. I double checked my T7 writs and they reimburse me properly. Just something you might want to fix. I'm going to use the higher level T7 writs and try and get high enough to open the next difficulty of T8 writs and see if I get reimbursed for those ones. Right now, I'm down just over 1 plat due to not being reimbursed. I know it's not a lot to some people but I'm not rich. ~Kroog of Antonia Bayle
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Unread 11-15-2007, 12:47 AM   #2
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Be sure to use /bug and be VERY specific.  Name of writ, exact number of fuels used and their costs, exact amount reimbursed.  That gets it reproduced and on the right desk.
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Unread 11-15-2007, 02:33 AM   #3
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Yeah, this writ is bugged for me as well.  Losing 24 gold every time I do a writ... hurts.  SMILEY
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Unread 11-15-2007, 10:29 PM   #4
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Actually it's 30g per writ. Since each shield takes 5 fuel per combine, 6 shields make the order. So that's 30 coal or 30 gold each time.  Just did it one more time to see if it was fixed. Done it 4 times now total. Over a plat lost SMILEY~Kroog of Antonia Bayle
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Unread 11-16-2007, 06:09 AM   #5
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Wish I noticed this before I done those 7 writs hopefully it will be a quick fix, as well as placing the 70+ books in kelethin. For me the writ was the lvl 70 armorer one, where you make the 6 ferrite sheilds.
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Unread 11-16-2007, 12:24 PM   #6
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I did this writ many times while I leveled up, and every time it paid me 33 gbold and a few silver, so if I had actually harvested my own raws instead of buying them from the broker I would have been making a 3 gold profit per writ.  And I was doing this on the first day of the expansion.
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Unread 11-16-2007, 12:40 PM   #7
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It works fine for Weaponsmiths. 12 items to make (now let's not get into why we apparently have to do the double amount for one writ and probably get the same total bonus in the end than another class for 6 items? Yield is about 0.3 bars excluding any benefits such as potions or vitality, could be a bit higher in my opinion for 12 items) and I get back the 60g for the fuel.

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Unread 11-16-2007, 01:13 PM   #8
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I haven't seen any problems with Woodowrkers so far, except that the lvl 80 writ SP reward is lower than the lvl 79...
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Unread 11-16-2007, 01:26 PM   #9
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The easiest T8 Sage writs appear correct too and paying out 30gp (6 x 5gp) to reimburse for fuel used.

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Unread 11-16-2007, 02:48 PM   #10
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It works for the tailors, although the second set you get at 74 the dex cuffs were not giving update.It appears is the first t8 rush order (shields) for armorers.The good news is... the none rush order t8 writ pays out.10 plat stolen and done... the little thief!  Can I have my money SOE?
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Unread 11-19-2007, 03:22 AM   #11
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Both shield rush order writs failed to return the 30 gold invested in fuels.Tried a non-rush writ and I was forced to make twice the combines for half the status.  This is bunk.Until the devs choose to fix this glaring bug, I refuse to do any more armorer writs.  It just isn't worth it.P.S.  Why can't the devs disable the rush order NPC until this bug is fixed or, better yet, FIX THIS BUG!
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Unread 11-19-2007, 04:38 AM   #12
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AinaFV wrote:
P.S.  Why can't the devs disable the rush order NPC until this bug is fixed or, better yet, FIX THIS BUG!

a) it's not all writs.  It's some (not all) T8 writs. 

b) each writ giving back the wrong reward needs to be bugged so QA tests it and gets it in Domino's queue.

c) for all we know they might be fixed.  They don't usually patch on the weekend.

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Unread 11-19-2007, 03:39 PM   #13
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Terluk wrote:
Domino,I am totally cool with the tradeskill xp being changed for doing writs. It was way too high before. One problem I just noticed, however. I have done a couple T8 (level 70) rush order writs and I haven't been reimbursed for the coal cost. This is the "Guards, Guards!" armorer writ. I'm not sure if other tradeskillers are running into this problem, but with the pretty substantial cost for T8 fuels I am noticing this is setting me back a lot. I double checked my T7 writs and they reimburse me properly. Just something you might want to fix. I'm going to use the higher level T7 writs and try and get high enough to open the next difficulty of T8 writs and see if I get reimbursed for those ones. Right now, I'm down just over 1 plat due to not being reimbursed. I know it's not a lot to some people but I'm not rich. ~Kroog of Antonia Bayle
Yup, just got burned by the same bug. T8 armorer rush order to make 6 Ferrite Tower Shields - reimbursement for fuel - zero. Guess T8 armorer rush orders are no go until this is fixed. 30g a pop is a bit too high of a donation.
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Unread 11-19-2007, 04:37 PM   #14
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I wish the forums were working properly for me =( would have saved me about a chunk of change in fuel.

I noticed the first time and just thought that I was not paying attention, so did a couple more to confirm. 

Real bummer since writs are THE best way I've found to level my armorer anyway, and of course I have t8 stuff stockpiled for leveling her, not t7 =/.

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Unread 11-19-2007, 04:42 PM   #15
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Wallzak wrote:
It works for the tailors, although the second set you get at 74 the dex cuffs were not giving update.It appears is the first t8 rush order (shields) for armorers.The good news is... the none rush order t8 writ pays out.10 plat stolen and done... the little thief!  Can I have my money SOE?

  The level 79 Tailor rush orders correctly pay out for the highest level rush order. 

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Unread 11-19-2007, 04:46 PM   #16
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I posted this earlier in another thread.  As far as I know it has not been fixed, nothing in the update notes this morning. 
Don't get your hopes up too fast.I took the day off on Friday to get my armorer up... realized very quickly something was wrong and did a bug and petition.I weighed through the xp gained from doing the rush vs the normal (almost double) and decided it was worth it.  Did a total of 31 writs... 9.3 plat stolen by the greed gnome in my TS instance.SOE's response? If it's broke... don't play! "We appreciate you helping us discover this inconsistency in writ reimbursement. A fix is on the way if not already in place. I have given you 30 gold for the first set of the writ you did not receive reimbursement for. If a writ is not reimbursing the adequate amount the temporary solution is to not do the writ. I regret the loss of coin but I suppose the consolation is the experience gained. Congratulations on level 80, Armorer!"That said, was it worth it?  Level 80, number one on my server, 8 world wide.  Not bad being I started 4 days after the release SMILEY
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Unread 11-19-2007, 04:52 PM   #17
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Know I'm going to get flamed for this, but were these not tested prior to release?  Should have been an easy process I would think.How about it tradeskill beta people, did anyone test these in beta to see if they all worked?It appears from the response in a prior post that this was not something that was /bug'd but made it into release anyway.Beta keys should no longer be given away as rewards for contests if people are just using them for a preview tour of new content.Maybe the writs weren't in beta?  That must be it.
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Unread 11-19-2007, 08:23 PM   #18
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No dissin' my beta testers, they were all awesome and very helpful.  SMILEY Considering there were 81 writs of various types in the expansion plus quests and a ton of recipes, and some of them didn't make it into beta till there were only a couple weeks left, there was a LOT of content to be tested in a short time.  Unfortunately, occasionally bugs do still get through without QA or beta testers catching it.  When this happens, you /bug it, QA verifies it, and I hotfix it.  The armorer writ in question should be hotfixed tomorrow edit: sorry, looking like day after tomorrow. You can say all the nasty things about me that you want for not catching this, if it really makes you happy.  But implying that the folks who were helping out with the beta testing, whether they be QA or beta players, is definitely Not Cool and about as far from the truth as you can get.  Bottom line, I'm sorry it went live, it's being fixed.  Until someone finds me that time machine there's not a lot more I can do at this point.  
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Unread 11-19-2007, 08:36 PM   #19
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I tried several random writs, I tried random recipes through all the tiers, I made the TS quests several time, tried Tier 2 crafting, looked at the recipes vs final product, etc. We cannot do everything and some things just slip to live.New crafting writs, when first implemented some time ago were heavily bugged and I fear it's something very hard to code, so I'm not surprised there are still bugged. We spotted some of the bugs but we couldn't spot them all sorry.(this from a F&F beta tester, and I had no outfitters in beta)
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Unread 11-19-2007, 09:33 PM   #20
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Maybe this is a stupid question but here it is anyways:Are you buying the fuels in Kunark or the starting cities?  Fuels cost more in the Kunark zones..nearly a plat more if your buying by the stack.  Maybe and it's just a rough guess since I don't know how writ mechanics works in regards to fuel reimbursment, but perhaps they're only paying for the full amount under the assumption that you're buying your fuels at home instead of in Kunark.  Just a thought....Well it's a mute point now I guess but there's my 2 cents.
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Unread 11-20-2007, 02:10 AM   #21
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fuel should be the same no wonder where you get it, smoldering coal is 1 gold so a stack of 200 (thanks for the limit increase btw) will cost 2p .
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Transen wrote:
Maybe this is a stupid question but here it is anyways:Are you buying the fuels in Kunark or the starting cities?  Fuels cost more in the Kunark zones..nearly a plat more if your buying by the stack.  Maybe and it's just a rough guess since I don't know how writ mechanics works in regards to fuel reimbursment, but perhaps they're only paying for the full amount under the assumption that you're buying your fuels at home instead of in Kunark.  Just a thought....Well it's a mute point now I guess but there's my 2 cents.

Definately has nothing at all to do with the bug. My human armorer was doing writs in the Nettleville TS instance.

Thank you Domino for getting a fix for us, I was sad I had to use my t7 tinkering supplies to level up my armorer a bit lol =).

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Unread 11-21-2007, 03:14 PM   #23
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Can anyone confirm that this was fixed today?  Aside from doing some T7 writs, I've pretty much been holding off leveling my armorer for the past couple days.

Edit: Looks like I was writing this as he was posting the update notes.  I'll assume the section below includes this writ.

TRADESKILLS

  • Bathezid, Danak and Riliss writs will now provide more favor upon completion!
  • A number of tradeskill writ and recipe bugs have been addressed.
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Unread 11-21-2007, 03:21 PM   #24
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Barbai wrote:
fuel should be the same no wonder where you get it, smoldering coal is 1 gold so a stack of 200 (thanks for the limit increase btw) will cost 2p .
Fuel costs are higher in Kunark, at least in Teren's Grasp (didn't check the other spots), but that wasn't related to this bug.
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Uguv@Mistmoore wrote:
Can anyone confirm that this was fixed today?  Aside from doing some T7 writs, I've pretty much been holding off leveling my armorer for the past couple days.
As of today, Wednesday, it appears that T7 writs are bugged, no payout of coin for writ completion. Had this happen on both armorer and carpenter writs this morning. Fuels were compensated for in T7 but strangely, as in coin gets deposited on item completion without accepting the completion popup window.
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Qandor wrote:
As of today, Wednesday, it appears that T7 writs are bugged, no payout of coin for writ completion. Had this happen on both armorer and carpenter writs this morning. Fuels were compensated for in T7 but strangely, as in coin gets deposited on item completion without accepting the completion popup window.
Psst ... that's probably this bit of the update notes today:
  • Coin, status and faction quest rewards are now given immediately when the quest is complete rather than waiting for the quest reward to be accepted.
You should still be getting the normal payment, just no pop up box. 
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As a note, I'm not sure I like that change.  I like to know what I'm getting and when, especially for quests where there are rewards before completion.Powers  &8^]
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