Combine Empire in Kunark??

[Odomfel]

If you go into the mountains from the Docks in Kylong plains you'll run into the hidden valley. For those familiar with EQ1 locations, this is where the Wizzy spires and Druid rings were located. There is a series of buildings, pyramids, located there. they were there in EQ1 as well.

 One detail I noted on the buildings is the symbol that is glowing blue. If you look closely the symbol is the same symbol that I last saw in Sanctus Seru on Luclin back in the EQ1 days. (Least I'm pretty sure it is.) I believe this is the symbol of the combine empire. I'll post up a screenshot of this when I get one.

 Has anybody run across some information for this? Darn curious.

[Hagran]

I saw this during Beta on my other account and i have to admit it was really cool, sadly due to a lack of lore books etc, i cant say much about it.. am sure there will be something though..

[Cusashorn]

Teren's Grasp is what used to be the ancient Combine city that was built when the empire decided to travel to Luclin in the first place. The city's name has never been revealed.... not yet anyway.

The denizens of Firiona Vie and the dreadlands banded together under the rule of a high elf paladin named Teren, who moved them there for thier own safety from the cataclysms that happened over the last 500 years.

[Nocturnal Aby]

And the symbol that glows blue on the pyramids is the symbol of the combine, so it is no coincidence that you'd find them in Seru and Katta Castellum.  If I remember correctly, you could also find a few crates at the old gypsy camps with the logo on them, as well.  If memory serves, the logo was two winged snakes joined as one, but it's been a while, and I could very well be wrong!  I found a shield of one of the guards in Sanctus Seru who has the same emblem displayed.  I believe that the guards in Katta Castellum had the same emblem, but I could be wrong, it's been a few years since I've seen one of their shields up close...oddly enough, a lot of the pics in Allakhazam show multiple Centurions using the human graphic of the guy with the eyepatch...sort of funny..a bunch of guards running around with one eye missing.  Anyways, not sure what the symbol is supposed to represent, but there it is!  Combine Empire.

[Carvium]

and the most interesting thing is that the spires are still active.. I was there yesterday and heard a crackling looked up and the tips of the spires were shooting out lightning and it created a ball this lasted about 10 secs then everything stopped.. gunna get a screen shot next time i'm there but was a little amazed seen as so far we've been told that the combine spires are dead and no longer work.

[Hagran]

Interesting, although i believe the one in the Faydarks was working last time i got whizzed by someone to Qeynos.. so who knows, maybe they will add a faster way to Kelethin from Terens Grasp?

[Ghostwise7]

The Karana gypsies are/were scattered remnants of Combine people, so it makes sense they would cling to gear bearing that sigil.

[ke'la]

There is a Historian at the enterance to Terrin's Grasp that tells about how Feirona Via and Overthere citizens came to live together in Terrin's Grasp and yes it is a fomar Combine City, and yes both those Spires and the ones in Gfay are working(the ones in Gfay just sprang to life right befor EoF went live), wich is why Wizzy's can port again.

Also appearintly when Terrin Descovered the city it was full of Undead and noone is quite shure how Terrin got ride of them... however sometimes bodies of the newly dead are not saying dead.

[Nocturnal Aby]

Err, actually, in the history described by that Historian, it talks about how they all helped clear out the undead when they moved in there.  The undead were there since EQ, for anyone interested.  A glimpse of Teren's Grasp back in Age of Turmoil

Hmm, looking at this picture..I wonder if Teren's Grasp is only the area right by those smaller spires...it was a lot bigger five hundred years ago..

[Cusashorn]

ke'la wrote:

There is a Historian at the enterance to Terrin's Grasp that tells about how Feirona Via and Overthere citizens came to live together in Terrin's Grasp and yes it is a fomar Combine City, and yes both those Spires and the ones in Gfay are working(the ones in Gfay just sprang to life right befor EoF went live), wich is why Wizzy's can port again.

Also appearintly when Terrin Descovered the city it was full of Undead and noone is quite shure how Terrin got ride of them... however sometimes bodies of the newly dead are not saying dead.

Not to nitpick, but the Faydwer spires didn't so much "Spring to life" as much as they were "Forced to life by Solusek Ro's Followers".

Anyways. I hope the Monk epic sheds some light on what the citizens of Terren's Grasp did with Brother Balatin of the Whistling Fists. The city was full of undead, and he was among them.

[Nocturnal Aby]

Cusashorn wrote:

ke'la wrote:

There is a Historian at the enterance to Terrin's Grasp that tells about how Feirona Via and Overthere citizens came to live together in Terrin's Grasp and yes it is a fomar Combine City, and yes both those Spires and the ones in Gfay are working(the ones in Gfay just sprang to life right befor EoF went live), wich is why Wizzy's can port again.

Also appearintly when Terrin Descovered the city it was full of Undead and noone is quite shure how Terrin got ride of them... however sometimes bodies of the newly dead are not saying dead.

Not to nitpick, but the Faydwer spires didn't so much "Spring to life" as much as they were "Forced to life by Solusek Ro's Followers".

Anyways. I hope the Monk epic sheds some light on what the citizens of Terren's Grasp did with Brother Balatin of the Whistling Fists. The city was full of undead, and he was among them.

I'm not sure where you got that it was Solusek Ro's followers who brought them back.  Is it part of the deity quest?  Prior to the release of EoF, we got this story, of when they were first noticed to be active again.  Is it because of who came through the spires?

Also..I wouldn't be surprised if Brother Balatin was...on ice..

[Cusashorn]

Well that very story is the only thing to suggest that the only reason we have teleportation back is because Solusek Ro's follower jump started the spires again. I mean he is one of the most powerful gods of magic, so I could understand that he wanted wizards everywhere to be teleporting around, and i could understand that he would only give his own followers the instructions and equipment needed to do it.

[Hagran]

If memory serves, although Solusek Ro is the main deity of many casters of Norrath he is only the God of Fire.. so i cant fathom this god of magic thing Cusa, although i can in the sense of power over fire, which could be either Arcane or Shamanistic in nature i guess.. otherwise he doesnt do much with magic..

[Cusashorn]

Hagran wrote:

If memory serves, although Solusek Ro is the main deity of many casters of Norrath he is only the God of Fire.. so i cant fathom this god of magic thing Cusa, although i can in the sense of power over fire, which could be either Arcane or Shamanistic in nature i guess.. otherwise he doesnt do much with magic..

As I said, he is one of the greater gods of magical influence, but he will never be more powerful than the actual Goddess of Magic, Druzzil Ro herself.

[goldfeesh641]

Well, just to clear it up, Solusek Ro is not the god of fire, but the god of the sun (which rests within the domain of fire).  The Tyrant of Fire is Fennin Ro, Solusek's father (Solusek is referred to as the Prince of Flames at times).Also, I would strongly believe that the Quellthulians would be responsible for the Spires coming back to life, though it appears to me that this obviously was through the returning of the gods (in particular probably Druzzil Ro in this case).

[Jindrack]

Cusashorn wrote:

Hagran wrote:

If memory serves, although Solusek Ro is the main deity of many casters of Norrath he is only the God of Fire.. so i cant fathom this god of magic thing Cusa, although i can in the sense of power over fire, which could be either Arcane or Shamanistic in nature i guess.. otherwise he doesnt do much with magic..

As I said, he is one of the greater gods of magical influence, but he will never be more powerful than the actual Goddess of Magic, Druzzil Ro herself.

Solusek Ro is known as the god of Flames and Magic.  Druzzil Ro is Sol Ro's daughter and rules over the demi-plane of Magic, a plane that has derived its power from Sol Ro's Plane of Flames (or also known as the Plane of Sun).  Druzzil Ro is powerful, but she is under the authority of her father as she acts as a steward over the ways of Magic.  I would think Sol Ro can quite easily trump Druzzil Ro when it comes to magical power.

[Rainmare]

Interesting. I always thought the Ro family was Fennin and Druzzil at the top, Sol Ro and Ayonae as the children.

[Jindrack]

Rainy wrote:

Interesting. I always thought the Ro family was Fennin and Druzzil at the top, Sol Ro and Ayonae as the children.

Fennin Ro is the father of Solusek Ro.  Solusek Ro is the father of Druzzil Ro.  Druzzil Ro is the "mother" of Ayonae Ro by virtue that Druzzil exalted Ayonae to her station as demi-goddess of Music.

This would fit with the planes they are associated with.

Elemental Plane (Fire) ->  Inner Plane of Nature (Flames/Sun) -> Demi-plane (Magic) -> Demi-plane (Music)

[Eriol]

This is about Ayonae Ro and Druzzil Ro from the PoP manual (I have it here beside me as I type this, so if there's a transcription error, forgive me):

Ayonae Ro - The MaestraCreated at the whim of the demi-goddess Druzzil Ro for the purpose of creating music to soothe the soul, Ayonae Ro grew to develop powers and a distinct personality of her own.  Druzzil sacrificed a small portion of her own place to create a new realm to be dominated by Ayonae Ro, the demi-Plane of Music.  Ayonae can not only cause others to become caught up in her music to the point of feeling the emotions therein, she is able to mold and shape the very realm in which she lives, much as her mother does with her own magical skills.Druzzil Ro - The Matron of the ArtDruzzil has white hair which is held back from her face by a massive platinum crown with a single white gem that blazes like a brilliant white star upon her brow.  She is tall, youthful in appearance, with a resemblance to Erudite in skin and body structure.  The demi-Plane of Magic became the home of the goddess of magic.  In its natural state, it is an infinitely expansive plane of perfect white and unblemished marble under a gray and featureless sky, though one would likely never glimpse her plane in such a state.  Through the will of Druzzil Ro, her home takes the shape, form and features that reflect her current mood.  Her plane is simply a canvas for her art.

The addition of exactly what the familial relationships are is interesting, but it definitely looks like Ayonae is a "creation" of Druzzil somehow.  Jindrack, you say that Druzzil "exalted" Ayonae, which suggests that Ayonae was something else first, such as a worshipper, or a pre-existing being?  The PoP manual clearly says that Ayonae was "created at the whim" of Druzzil, and didn't even have a personality to begin with.  So I guess that's not contradictory, in that Druzzil "exalted" her creation up to the level of a demi-god, but it is a bit confusing at first glance.

[Cusashorn]

Jindrack wrote:

Rainy wrote:

Interesting. I always thought the Ro family was Fennin and Druzzil at the top, Sol Ro and Ayonae as the children.

Fennin Ro is the father of Solusek Ro.  Solusek Ro is the father of Druzzil Ro.  Druzzil Ro is the "mother" of Ayonae Ro by virtue that Druzzil exalted Ayonae to her station as demi-goddess of Music.

This would fit with the planes they are associated with.

Elemental Plane (Fire) ->  Inner Plane of Nature (Flames/Sun) -> Demi-plane (Magic) -> Demi-plane (Music)

I like how this works out. Just from Planes of Power, we see that a demi god is more powerful than the elemental gods themselves. I mean if you're the god of magic, you pretty much have full powers of deus ex machina at your disposal. You can manipulate and do anything without limit.

[Rainmare]

and that ability is why I always thought that Druzzil was more of Fennin's equal in the Ro family, rather than Sol ro's lesser on the cosmic scale. I mean in the Plane of Time, after we beat the combined powers of the Elemental Gods...Druzzil basically showed up and 'erased' us doing that.interesting how she has such incredible power at her disposal, consdiering her rank as more of a demi-goddess, like Morelle or Teris Thule.that is something that kinda makes me wonder. from what I heard Quellious and Cazic are teh parental powers of Morelle and Teris...but I thought Quellious and Cazic were enemies. how did that one come about?

[Nocturnal Aby]

Not sure I've ever heard the exact explaination, but I believe both Cazic, and Quellious wanted control over the restful consciousness of mortals, so they decided to combine forces, resulting in the brother and sister, Morell taking after his mother, Terris her father.

[Cusashorn]

Nocturnal Abyss wrote:

Not sure I've ever heard the exact explaination, but I believe both Cazic, and Quellious wanted control over the restful consciousness of mortals, so they decided to combine forces, resulting in the brother and sister, Morell taking after his mother, Terris her father.

Yeah thats the same impression I got. They formed a mutual bond to create these two gods in order to create something that needed to be controlled.

[DreamerClou]

Rainy wrote:

and that ability is why I always thought that Druzzil was more of Fennin's equal in the Ro family, rather than Sol ro's lesser on the cosmic scale. I mean in the Plane of Time, after we beat the combined powers of the Elemental Gods...Druzzil basically showed up and 'erased' us doing that.interesting how she has such incredible power at her disposal, consdiering her rank as more of a demi-goddess, like Morelle or Teris Thule.that is something that kinda makes me wonder. from what I heard Quellious and Cazic are teh parental powers of Morelle and Teris...but I thought Quellious and Cazic were enemies. how did that one come about?

Hey Rainy - don't forget that the gods can basically operate outside of time and space.  So if Druzzil tried to do her time shifting directly against another god like Sol Ro, I'm sure he could easily shrug it off.  Just my opinion

[Sonnyjim_Grumblestump]

Nocturnal Abyss wrote:

Not sure I've ever heard the exact explaination, but I believe both Cazic, and Quellious wanted control over the restful consciousness of mortals, so they decided to combine forces, resulting in the brother and sister, Morell taking after his mother, Terris her father.

Well sure... That completely explains why they are enemies now....  Acrimonious Divorce Case.

[Ehnix]

Are those four mages at the center of the spires trying to reactivate the spires or are they working on something else? Also werent those large spires used by the combine to reach Luclin?

[Saroc_Luclin]

Sonnyjim@Permafrost wrote:

Nocturnal Abyss wrote:

Not sure I've ever heard the exact explaination, but I believe both Cazic, and Quellious wanted control over the restful consciousness of mortals, so they decided to combine forces, resulting in the brother and sister, Morell taking after his mother, Terris her father.

Well sure... That completely explains why they are enemies now....  Acrimonious Divorce Case. " />

Don't forget too, some of their followers have made peace with eachother as well and decided to worship them jointly. (See the Erudite Quellithulians).I suspect that Druzzil Ro was the God's final, last ditch gasp to stop the events in PoP, and had special powers specific to the Plane of Time. (Maybe she used part of her powers/realm to create it, and thus had the most power in there.). Since we don't specifically have a God of Time yet, she seems to have 'adopted' control of that aspect for whatever reason, even though it doesn't exactly fit. As EQLive's timeline went on, not only did she get elevated from a Demigoddess to a Goddess between PoP and PoR, but she also used her powers to create another time portal deeper into EQLive's past (to the Eldaar Forest and the (unruined) Takish Hiz.)

[Vonotar]

Eriol wrote:

The addition of exactly what the familial relationships are is interesting, but it definitely looks like Ayonae is a "creation" of Druzzil somehow.  Jindrack, you say that Druzzil "exalted" Ayonae, which suggests that Ayonae was something else first, such as a worshipper, or a pre-existing being?  The PoP manual clearly says that Ayonae was "created at the whim" of Druzzil, and didn't even have a personality to begin with.  So I guess that's not contradictory, in that Druzzil "exalted" her creation up to the level of a demi-god, but it is a bit confusing at first glance.

Perhaps created from a lesser creature (therefore alive and with a type of 'soul') that would not be classed as having self awareness (i.e. it relies entirely on instinct and not higher thought).

[Vollux]

Ehnix wrote:

Are those four mages at the center of the spires trying to reactivate the spires or are they working on something else? Also werent those large spires used by the combine to reach Luclin?

I don't' know what they are up to yet, but I got a chuckle watching the energy knock them on to their rears. 

I kinda figure messing with anything the Combine Empire left behind is pretty foolhardy.