Veteran Rewards - Improvement needed

[Kendricke]

Uguv@Mistmoore wrote:

Grimwell wrote:

The veteran awards are meant as a simple thank you to people for playing the game. They are not really intended to be a bankable item that every character has to count on having to get ahead - they are just fun and/or convenient things as a way of expressing our gratitude to ya for being a customer.

I'd say the people with a 10% sales display are at a huge advantage over those without one.  If that isn't a way to "get ahead" I don't know what is.  Aside from the xp potions, the other stuff is pretty much fluff, but I do think it was a mistake to release the sales display if these are supposed to be "just fun and/or convenient things as a way of expressing our gratitude to ya for being a customer."

Haven't.  Claimed one.  Yet.

Made 155p 37g 15s in the past week.  Where's the "huge" disadvantage? 

...

Then again, if I wanted to claim one...what's stopping me?  What's stopping you? 

[KindredHeart]

SOE thank you for the Veteran Rewards.  As the game lives on it's inevitable that the latest greatest expansion comes out.  On that expansion DVD will be every expansion before it and all for much cheaper than I will have paid for them along the way.  The Veteran Rewards help me feel a bit less annoyed by this unavoidable business fact, and have brought me a great deal of enjoyment.  I think it's a nice thing to appreciate customers who have been around since launch and loyally paided their subscription fees every month since.

P.S. Kendricke ... holy cow man, what the heck have you been selling?

[XAvengerX]

The 18 month veteran reward is laughable, and should be reviewed.

In my opinion the 1 day veteran reward is more useful, than that 18 month practical joke.

[Guy De Alsace]

As a small scale retailer who makes only a few gold or maybe a plat on a good day, the 10% case is really really hurting me. I havent got mine yet but on a decently priced item I'm losing lots of gold having to undercut massively so i can get close to the original 10% guy's price. I hate to undercut by huge amounts unless the original price is completely unreasonable.

The 10% box really is a massive advantage to those who have it. I dont know how people make 155pp in a week. I really dont.

[SageGaspar]

I really would love to get another crack at my DoF perks and launch painting... don't see a compelling reason for them to be limited one per account.

[woolf2k]

Argonne@Mistmoore wrote:

Hmmm, well ... I have issues with the vet awards also. When one is just starting out in the game one isn't qualified to determine what the awards are for and, what is worse, no one tells you not to grab that award with the first toon that you roll. I've used them up and they're gone but the toon is gone as well. Effectively, I get nothing for nothing. I know: life sucks, at times.

LOL. that's a life lesson you're learning... Don't leap before you look aka don't react before having time to think about it... if you had thought about it. you  would have decided "wait, I'm gonna hold on to those items until I decide I wanna use them on the character"  I do wish we had 6 or rather 7 now items but we get 3 and thats better than none. life is what you make of it.

[Kendricke]

woolf2k wrote:

 I do wish we had 6 or rather 7 now items but we get 3 and thats better than none.

To me, that sums up my thoughts on the subject.

Sure, it would be nice to have more...but wasn't it enough that we received any rewards at all in the first place?  For some players, apparently not.

What if SOE removed Veteran rewards.  *POOF*  Gone.  After all, there's no compelling reason to have veteran rewards, are there?  It's not a heavily advertised feature.  It's not marketed much, if at all, in print.  It's not designed to bring in new members.  The rewards are hardly required for gameplay.  Pretty much, the rewards are just bonuses to long time players. 

The real problem here isn't SOE's fault.  EVERY player gets access to the same Veteran rewards.  EVERY player who sticks around long enough (or who just returns after long enough) gets the SAME rewards.  SOE's done their part - they've given everyone the same "bag of money" here...and yet, it's just not enough for some players.   

Don't get me wrong.  I love more rewards.  More, more, more, more rewards is exactly what I want.  I have no problem admitting that I want more rewards.  I've certainly made cases that outline when I want more rewards.  I'm not even against the idea of more Veteran awards.  If we get them, that's great for me, too!

What I don't get is that somehow there's a problem with Veteran awards.  Improvements not just requested here...but it's somehow "needed".  The rewards as is aren't good enough. They're just not good enough. 

You know what, though.  These rewards aren't even "earned".  If these were rewards that required any work in-game to achieve, I'd probably be more sympathetic to such arguments being presented.  The problem is that there's NO work involved here:  No dungeons to explore; no monsters to kill; no work orders to fill; no raids to complete; no quests to finish.  NO WORK NEEDED.

As such, this isn't an "earned" reward at all.  As I've mentioned, I know players who NEVER PAID A DOLLAR in subscription fees who were walking around with their "Dedicated" titles.  So, again, we're back to the "bag of money" analogy.  SOE's done their part.  We're just not happy because we might accidently choose the wrong path.  We might make a mistake.  We need more than warnings.  We need protection...from SOE...against ourselves.  We need SOE to protect us from ourselves. 

Again though, that's not SOE's responsibility.  They've done their part.  They provided us with our bags of money.  We all got the same bags.  It's not SOE's fault some folks blew it all right away while others researched and invested, is it? 

In another world, I can't help but think that lotto winners who unwisely spend their winnings should then sue the Lottery commissions which awarded them in the first place.  After all, it's not the winners' fault they didn't know what to do with a million dollars.  This was their first time as millionaires after all, right?

[Valdaglerion]

Guy De Alsace wrote:

I dont know how people make 155pp in a week. I really dont.

If it was meant on a consistent basis then me either. if it was a hey, I finally sold that spell I listed at 120p and had for sale for 2 months then yeah, i get it.

[Kendricke]

Guy De Alsace wrote:

As a small scale retailer who makes only a few gold or maybe a plat on a good day, the 10% case is really really hurting me. I havent got mine yet but on a decently priced item I'm losing lots of gold having to undercut massively so i can get close to the original 10% guy's price. I hate to undercut by huge amounts unless the original price is completely unreasonable.

The 10% box really is a massive advantage to those who have it. I dont know how people make 155pp in a week. I really dont.

First off, you don't have to undercut to make a profit.  I've actually written guides on that subject. 

Second, 155pp was a good week.  I typically pull in somewhere between 10pp and 40pp in an average week right now - without access to a 10% chest, yet. 

[EQPrime]

Kendricke wrote:

Uguv@Mistmoore wrote:

Grimwell wrote:

The veteran awards are meant as a simple thank you to people for playing the game. They are not really intended to be a bankable item that every character has to count on having to get ahead - they are just fun and/or convenient things as a way of expressing our gratitude to ya for being a customer.

I'd say the people with a 10% sales display are at a huge advantage over those without one.  If that isn't a way to "get ahead" I don't know what is.  Aside from the xp potions, the other stuff is pretty much fluff, but I do think it was a mistake to release the sales display if these are supposed to be "just fun and/or convenient things as a way of expressing our gratitude to ya for being a customer."

Haven't.  Claimed one.  Yet.

Made 155p 37g 15s in the past week.  Where's the "huge" disadvantage? 

I've broken the 100p mark on occasion as well, but not having a 10% sales crate puts me at a big disadvantage selling things like treasured adornments which generally sell for 1-2p on my server.  Even if my prices are the lowest on the server, I still do little business if I'm not first on the broker list.  I've found that most people go for lowest price showing on the broker when looking at items in that price range, and I'm sure it would be even worse for provisioners selling low cost items.

Then again, if I wanted to claim one...what's stopping me?  What's stopping you? 

Perhaps the fact that I didn't rush out and buy this game right when it was released? 

[Guy De Alsace]

I've made just shy of 300pp - in 2 years of play :

sigh.

[Gargamel]

Arrrrr... I want more fireworks.

Something like a roman candle, or perhaps one of those explosions of those spinners that whistle.

[Kendricke]

Uguv@Mistmoore wrote:

Kendricke wrote:

Then again, if I wanted to claim one...what's stopping me?  What's stopping you? 

Perhaps the fact that I didn't rush out and buy this game right when it was released? 

Then buy a home next to the broker then and set up shop.  Advertise your wares outside of the broker channels.  Try to build up clients through networking.  Or just accept that some folks will be listed lower than you on the broker...even if you have a technically lower price. 

If that's the worst possible problem, how bad is that really?

[Femke]

Ermmm...... *blushes* I am happy when I make 1pp per month, very happy.....

Anyway, to subject... It seems that some folks think they can put a claim on things that are is offered as a gift. A gift and nothing more then that.

Do you make claims when you get your birthday presents? Most likely no, then why you do it here?

Femke.

[Serinde]

Femke- you played on The Nameless?

[Aenielle]

For me the problem are not the veteran rewards but the expansion fluff rewards that are no trade and come 1 per account. I got both the nasty plant and the magic lamp on my first character when i started playing the game. Well surprisingly, i actually didnt stick to that class and after reaching late 20-s i switched classes and now have a completly different toon as my main. Now i know i am never gonna play the first character again, but i cant erase it and possibly free up the slot to try another class i might like, or just play with the customisations when i feel like it, because if i do i would loose those expansion gifts. Not to mention that every time i move house i cant use the packup crate but have to get that original character to come and get those first... and then place them in the new house again. It is really annoying. And no, a new player cannot predict what will be his favorite character before he actually spent some time playing the game, so please spare me the comments of wisdom of choice...

[mappam]

I did a really dumb thing = Created a character and took the two paintings for the house. I left the game for awhile and when I came back I deleted the character with the paintings - DOH!

Now the paintings are GONE with no way to ever get them back! I would love to see a way to REPLACE these type items if a character is deleted so another character can claim them.

[Serinde]

I did the same thing.. =(  Bought the Collectors Edition at release and created a character straight away, claimed my baby dragon... then realized all my friends were playing on a different server.  I deleted that character hoping maybe it would reset the /claim (logic being that the 1 character I claimed it on wouldnt exist anymore)... no such luck.  I had a baby dragon for maybe 2 weeks.

[Nogger]

mappam wrote:

I did a really dumb thing = Created a character and took the two paintings for the house. I left the game for awhile and when I came back I deleted the character with the paintings - DOH!

Now the paintings are GONE with no way to ever get them back! I would love to see a way to REPLACE these type items if a character is deleted so another character can claim them.

My wife's Statue of Antonia Bayle went missing, she didn't destroy it or delete a character, etc. But it's gone and no way to replace it. I agree with the previous posters that the way things are now is fine and needs nothing changed, except that maybe the things we got as a reward for buying the CE or converting our EQ accounts to EQ2 should be replaceable or at least flagged as tradeable to our own alts only. Just the things that were rewards prior to the Anniversary rewards though.

[LordPazuzu]

How about, for a veteran reward, we get an imp that will follow us around for 30 minutes a day healing and buffing us?  Or a halfling jester that follows us around casting random illusions and telling bad jokes?  Or a 15 minute buff that maxes out all stats and resists?  Or double xp buff for 30 minutes a day?

Oh wait, that was already done in another game....

[Daemonai]

LordPazuzu wrote:

How about, for a veteran reward, we get an imp that will follow us around for 30 minutes a day

Naa that job is already take by you on the forums.

[Illmarr]

LordPazuzu wrote:

How about, for a veteran reward, we get an imp that will follow us around for 30 minutes a day healing and buffing us?  Or a halfling jester that follows us around casting random illusions and telling bad jokes?  Or a 15 minute buff that maxes out all stats and resists?  Or double xp buff for 30 minutes a day?

Oh wait, that was already done in another game....

When Bristlebane makes his apperance Chaotic Jester MUST be one of his blessings

[FrostyRei]

Veteran rewards I have, apart from the bags, are useless in-house items that I have zero need for. I have no interest in player housing so what quality rewards are for me? None.

[agentsix]

If you delete a character that has a veteran or expansion bonus item you should be able to buy it back from the Shady guy at the Nek docks.

Veteran rewards, especially titles, should be available for EVERY character on the account. After all, you are rewarding the player and not the toon.

Now, if you wanted to add titles for toon longevity...that's another story.

[MAXDAMAGE]

 I am very pleased with our reward system. I remember how handy the XP potions were back when I started crafting. I have the 10% box now from my 3 yr reward and thats a nice touch when you got 9 crafters, ( my how time flown

Now I am looking forward to our 4yr reward and that will ROCK !!! Thank you SoE for going that extra step to make us very special although I would play without the rewards.

EVERQUEST 2   4-LIFE !!! See you all in Rok

[TheSpin]

I would love to see something done about getting these veteran rewards on the characters they belong on.  I have claimed quite a few rewards and since deleted the character, or moved servers and now have the reward in the wrong spot.

Maybe a /reclaim option would be good.  The character with the item could right click it and reclaim it so that it is back in the /claim window for another character to /claim.

[Pyrrhon]

To those commenting that we shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth: I appreciate the laid-back sentiment, but this isn't a case of "getting something for nothing, so don't complain". We're investors -- we're paying into a product with the assumption that it will provide a return. Just like any other (good) investment, we expect (and are right to expect) that we are getting an increasing return as time goes on. Obviously, in the case of an MMO, the return isn't in monies, it's in enjoyment. By that reasoning (if you accept it), there's nothing free or unexpectedly generous about the veteran rewards.Don't get me wrong -- I'm very appreciative of the dev team's efforts. Obviously I'm happy with my investment because I'm still paying in But don't sell yourselves short -- you DO deserve this stuff.

[Turb]

So a 4-year vet reward to change race one-time would allow people who made toon decisions 3 years ago to adjust for that in the recent racial traits revamp...

[DwarvesR]

Have y'all seen the announced 4-yr awards?

[Killerbee3000]

sadly it only reduces coin upkeep, not status too... anyway... the billy illusion rocks...