Level 20 "Wow" plus some questions

DonavenR · 10-22-2007, 08:23 PM

Went 19 levels as a conjuror and thought maybe this wasn't the right class for me. I've been extremely disappointed in how long it took me to get there compared to my brigand. Granted, I've only died maybe 5 times total (my brig died 50+) I thought "why does anyone play this class?" Then I hit 20. I had already bought an adept I igneous apprentice. I was in a group doing some instance-like place in the Common lands and boom...I start feeling like I'm really contributing to the damage. I was having FUN! When I rolled up my conjuror this was what I had in mind! My pet was blasting the heck out of anything I put it on! Yeehaw, my time has finally arrived! I couldn't wait to get home from work today to play some more SMILEY

So I know mages seem to be the "group" pet and the tellurian pets are the tank pets. What is the purpose of the scout pets? And I'm about to get aqueous hunters or something like that...how should those be used and do they make a good choice for a master II as I've had suggested to me?Right now my primary damage (at level 21) is a single dot and a DD spell. I also have a stun spell called petrify...should I be using that on the encounters? And what about my aoe? Granted, right now..my aoe is exceptionally weak. I know it will be improving at 22, but it doesn't seem to have a very good radius right now. Also, what about the PBAoE? Should I be using it frequently also or will it break mezzes and such?I was also under the impression that conjurors were top dpsers? The people in my group last night explained that conjurors are top of the "second tier dps tree"? They said if I wanted to be top tier dps I needed to reroll to a sorceror or predator? I'm not really certain how much experience my group had in the end game, but I was hoping they were wrong and that the conjuror would be on par with top dps classes.I actually picked the class because I thought it would be a better soloer than the brigand I chose at first. It's slower but safer so far. I definitely am having more fun playing in groups and I'd like to not look like such a newbie SMILEY

Thanks for the replies.

Aximili · 10-22-2007, 10:39 PM

First of all, welcome to the class, glad you like 20!I would definitely choose the hunters or if you solo much and if it's a choice (level 22 was before master 2's came out) the heal.Your aqueous however are not your main scout pet (excuse me if I got the wrong meaning out of your post) the aery pets are, I believe the 1st one is at 32. They functin as a good soloing pet if you're going against white mobs or lower, and kill quickly, as well as doing good melee single-target damage, if you find your mage pet stealing agro from the other mobs, i would switch to the scout.Petrify is a very useful spell, but it does only affect one target, but it can be useful soloing, and if you have nothing else to cast, will do a little damage, your AoE, given that implies one should be a cold-based one, and it remains a lower damage spell up to 70, but it is worth it on multiple mobs, you will get another non-PB AoE at some point... 24 maybe?.. and it will be high damage.your PBAoE is good to use if you're not near any mobs that will add if you cast it, when something is mezzed, it is removed from the effects of any AoE's anyone casts, unless the mezzed creature is the primary target.WE are very High DPS-ers, and depending on debuffs, gearing of the other classes versus us, and their spell upgrades, we can be top DPS bit ONLY if played correctly.We are, however, one of the best soloing classes in the game once you get used to how to solo properly, but unless you use your mage pet which takes you from safe to unsafe for soloing, until you get your aery outrider, you'll be somewhat slow at soloing, but it will be worth it! enjoy thre class!

Lader · 10-22-2007, 11:19 PM

scout pet is single target, mage is multiple target. scout pet has a bit more hp than the mage pet. you can solo with all 3 pets, but you will most likely use the scout and mage pet for grouping. the aqueous and the pyromancy dumbfire pets (im sorry i dont remember the lower tier names) are some extra damage, but theyre fragile and will die fairly easily. They generally take too long to cast to be that useful, imo. If youre doing a lot of soloing, id suggest the def. stance for your pet to choose for M2.

depending on the encounter, petrify will be more or less useful. When im soloing i use it to keep the mob stunned, gives me a chance to put my snare on the mob (you get it at 55, in your case i guess a root would work.) if soloing use your ae's later, let your pet establish hate on the encounter (target a mob, let the pet hit it once or twice, target another, repeat) and then you shouldnt have a problem ripping off your pet. in groups the ae is good, you can usually use all 3 back to back to make stuff go down really fast.

i wish those tiers had never been posted, and they were retracted awhile back. the members of your group arent very familiar with summoners if theyre still repeating those tiers. Yes, sorc/pred are awesome dps, they make things die rapidly, but conjurors hold their own in the dps department. we really shine post 50, when you get your specials, and will be able to solo without much trouble at all and contribute a ton to groups and raids

Aximili · 10-22-2007, 11:27 PM

right, the thing he does point out is, regardless of what another conjurer may say, there are hundreds of ways to play a conjurer, many of them sucessfully. i really like the aqueous and dumbfire for soloing, in his opinion they're not worth it, i don't like the increased defense skill and parry chance and ward enough to EVER pick the defensive as a master 2, and i was a huge soloer, so it's all in choice And btw the 1st edition of those are aqueous stalkers and roaring flames SMILEY

netglen · 10-23-2007, 08:48 AM

After a lot of trial and error and reading through all the advice posts, it pretty much boils down to the following;Solo [L.1-54] - Tank pet.Solo [L.55+] - Tank pet but with Frigid Winds, you can easily kite single Heroic-^^^ mobs using either Mage/Scout pet in certain situations.Team - Scout Pet. IMHO it just takes too long for your Mage pet to cast for trash mobs. Raids - Mage Pet. Soloing becomes a lot of fun at L.55 once you get your hands on Frigid Winds. Just build up a lot of aggro after snaring hte mob with Frigid Windws and then let your pets chew away at the mob while it's busy trying to crawl at you. You just have to make sure you don't get any adds and you have an area to kite in.

StaticLex · 10-26-2007, 11:18 AM

You don't have to create a new toon to be a top tier DPS, you just need high INT and master quality spells.

TheKraken · 11-03-2007, 08:01 AM

A tip on using Aqueous Hunters and its upgrades: try to cast it to the rear of the target. The 3 "dumb-fire" pets have very low health and generally any mob's area attack will kill them prematurely. Placing them to the rear helps them to avoid forward-facing attacks that sweep out in an arc in front of the target. I believe it also cuts down on ripostes, someone correct me if I'm wrong. Later you will get a 2nd "dumb-fire" pet, one that does more area damage than the single-target Hunters do, but by alternating one or the other, you'll be able to have one up for casting on most fights. They are good damage.

10-22-2007, 08:23 PM	#1
DonavenR Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 13	Went 19 levels as a conjuror and thought maybe this wasn't the right class for me. I've been extremely disappointed in how long it took me to get there compared to my brigand. Granted, I've only died maybe 5 times total (my brig died 50+) I thought "why does anyone play this class?" Then I hit 20. I had already bought an adept I igneous apprentice. I was in a group doing some instance-like place in the Common lands and boom...I start feeling like I'm really contributing to the damage. I was having FUN! When I rolled up my conjuror this was what I had in mind! My pet was blasting the heck out of anything I put it on! Yeehaw, my time has finally arrived! I couldn't wait to get home from work today to play some more So I know mages seem to be the "group" pet and the tellurian pets are the tank pets. What is the purpose of the scout pets? And I'm about to get aqueous hunters or something like that...how should those be used and do they make a good choice for a master II as I've had suggested to me?Right now my primary damage (at level 21) is a single dot and a DD spell. I also have a stun spell called petrify...should I be using that on the encounters? And what about my aoe? Granted, right now..my aoe is exceptionally weak. I know it will be improving at 22, but it doesn't seem to have a very good radius right now. Also, what about the PBAoE? Should I be using it frequently also or will it break mezzes and such?I was also under the impression that conjurors were top dpsers? The people in my group last night explained that conjurors are top of the "second tier dps tree"? They said if I wanted to be top tier dps I needed to reroll to a sorceror or predator? I'm not really certain how much experience my group had in the end game, but I was hoping they were wrong and that the conjuror would be on par with top dps classes.I actually picked the class because I thought it would be a better soloer than the brigand I chose at first. It's slower but safer so far. I definitely am having more fun playing in groups and I'd like to not look like such a newbie Thanks for the replies.

10-22-2007, 11:19 PM	#3
Lader Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 591	scout pet is single target, mage is multiple target. scout pet has a bit more hp than the mage pet. you can solo with all 3 pets, but you will most likely use the scout and mage pet for grouping. the aqueous and the pyromancy dumbfire pets (im sorry i dont remember the lower tier names) are some extra damage, but theyre fragile and will die fairly easily. They generally take too long to cast to be that useful, imo. If youre doing a lot of soloing, id suggest the def. stance for your pet to choose for M2. depending on the encounter, petrify will be more or less useful. When im soloing i use it to keep the mob stunned, gives me a chance to put my snare on the mob (you get it at 55, in your case i guess a root would work.) if soloing use your ae's later, let your pet establish hate on the encounter (target a mob, let the pet hit it once or twice, target another, repeat) and then you shouldnt have a problem ripping off your pet. in groups the ae is good, you can usually use all 3 back to back to make stuff go down really fast. i wish those tiers had never been posted, and they were retracted awhile back. the members of your group arent very familiar with summoners if theyre still repeating those tiers. Yes, sorc/pred are awesome dps, they make things die rapidly, but conjurors hold their own in the dps department. we really shine post 50, when you get your specials, and will be able to solo without much trouble at all and contribute a ton to groups and raids __________________ -Thanatosis: 90 defiler of Oasis

10-26-2007, 11:18 AM	#6
StaticLex Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,230	You don't have to create a new toon to be a top tier DPS, you just need high INT and master quality spells. __________________ When you've played this game for ten years and gone to bat seven-thousand times and gotten two-thousand hits do you know what that really means? It means you've gone zero for five-thousand. --- Reggie Jackson

11-03-2007, 08:01 AM	#7
TheKraken Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 76	A tip on using Aqueous Hunters and its upgrades: try to cast it to the rear of the target. The 3 "dumb-fire" pets have very low health and generally any mob's area attack will kill them prematurely. Placing them to the rear helps them to avoid forward-facing attacks that sweep out in an arc in front of the target. I believe it also cuts down on ripostes, someone correct me if I'm wrong. Later you will get a 2nd "dumb-fire" pet, one that does more area damage than the single-target Hunters do, but by alternating one or the other, you'll be able to have one up for casting on most fights. They are good damage. __________________ Draken - Wizard of Oasis

10-22-2007, 10:39 PM	#2
Aximili Server: Guk Guild: Fools and Heroes Rank: Veteran Member Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4	First of all, welcome to the class, glad you like 20!I would definitely choose the hunters or if you solo much and if it's a choice (level 22 was before master 2's came out) the heal.Your aqueous however are not your main scout pet (excuse me if I got the wrong meaning out of your post) the aery pets are, I believe the 1st one is at 32. They functin as a good soloing pet if you're going against white mobs or lower, and kill quickly, as well as doing good melee single-target damage, if you find your mage pet stealing agro from the other mobs, i would switch to the scout.Petrify is a very useful spell, but it does only affect one target, but it can be useful soloing, and if you have nothing else to cast, will do a little damage, your AoE, given that implies one should be a cold-based one, and it remains a lower damage spell up to 70, but it is worth it on multiple mobs, you will get another non-PB AoE at some point... 24 maybe?.. and it will be high damage.your PBAoE is good to use if you're not near any mobs that will add if you cast it, when something is mezzed, it is removed from the effects of any AoE's anyone casts, unless the mezzed creature is the primary target.WE are very High DPS-ers, and depending on debuffs, gearing of the other classes versus us, and their spell upgrades, we can be top DPS bit ONLY if played correctly.We are, however, one of the best soloing classes in the game once you get used to how to solo properly, but unless you use your mage pet which takes you from safe to unsafe for soloing, until you get your aery outrider, you'll be somewhat slow at soloing, but it will be worth it! enjoy thre class!

10-22-2007, 11:27 PM	#4
Aximili Server: Guk Guild: Fools and Heroes Rank: Veteran Member Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4	right, the thing he does point out is, regardless of what another conjurer may say, there are hundreds of ways to play a conjurer, many of them sucessfully. i really like the aqueous and dumbfire for soloing, in his opinion they're not worth it, i don't like the increased defense skill and parry chance and ward enough to EVER pick the defensive as a master 2, and i was a huge soloer, so it's all in choice And btw the 1st edition of those are aqueous stalkers and roaring flames

10-23-2007, 08:48 AM	#5
netglen Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 371	After a lot of trial and error and reading through all the advice posts, it pretty much boils down to the following;Solo [L.1-54] - Tank pet.Solo [L.55+] - Tank pet but with Frigid Winds, you can easily kite single Heroic-^^^ mobs using either Mage/Scout pet in certain situations.Team - Scout Pet. IMHO it just takes too long for your Mage pet to cast for trash mobs. Raids - Mage Pet. Soloing becomes a lot of fun at L.55 once you get your hands on Frigid Winds. Just build up a lot of aggro after snaring hte mob with Frigid Windws and then let your pets chew away at the mob while it's busy trying to crawl at you. You just have to make sure you don't get any adds and you have an area to kite in.