What was the point of the 2 second delay on quest widgets? - Page 3

tamikasipke · 09-24-2007, 07:05 AM

MrWolfie wrote:

Harvash wrote:
Just did this last night, 23 Sept 2007. All went well, first time go at this task. Push 4 boxes in order x 4 sets of boxes. Completed with 70 Monk and 70 Fury.
Doesn't hurt your testing that all the mobs are grey. You should try doing it at the appropriate level. And no FD.

That claymore part is far from grey in deep Sots, mobs are around lvl67-69-70... ^^

Ikabob · 09-24-2007, 02:22 PM

Grimwell wrote:

Red name post. I'll see what I can learn. " width="15" height="15" />

It's been like 6 days.. any idea as to why this was changed? a reason, not just speculation like everyone is doing?

Vydian · 09-24-2007, 02:39 PM

One person mentioned ghosting and that's the reason for this change. If you don't know what it is, don't worry about it as it is an exploit and would probably get someone banned if they explained. Suffice to say it fixes some stuff and not others.

Harvash · 09-24-2007, 09:59 PM

MrWolfie wrote:

Harvash wrote:
Just did this last night, 23 Sept 2007. All went well, first time go at this task. Push 4 boxes in order x 4 sets of boxes. Completed with 70 Monk and 70 Fury.
Doesn't hurt your testing that all the mobs are grey. You should try doing it at the appropriate level. And no FD
OK.

Err...no grey mobs in gorg room in SoS, don't remember exact levels, but they were blue con. Also, task is timed, no time for FD and that wouldnt have helped my duo partner either. Essentially, if your gear is not complete garbage..you run across the room onto the wall, thereby breaking the encounter.

Also, as stated elsewhere in this thread, you can no longer interact while FD'd.

liveja · 09-24-2007, 10:01 PM

I just want to know why the teleporter that takes you from one part of Neriak to another is considered a "quest widget", for purposes of this change.

Granted, it's only 2 seconds. It's just that it seems so completely, utterly pointless to have to wait 2 seconds, THEN go thru the whole "zone loading" bit. Even more strange, the cloud portals in the KOS zones don't seem to have the 2 second wait time before they become active; if the intra-Neriak transportal has one, why not the intra-zone transports in KOS?

I think that SOE targeted some particular issues that needed attention, & then went after those issues with sledgehammers instead of scalpels.

Magic · 09-25-2007, 09:12 PM

I've noticed that this game has so many aspects interwoven that it is very fragile. Any change, regardless of how well-intentioned, will cause repercussions in other aspects of the game. Like this widget timer breaking one or more quests that depend upon quick clicking. I guess this is the reason for this board in the first place. With the massive size of the EQ2 program, it is difficult to think about everything that will be affected. It's up to us to provide feedback and bug reports, as we're already doing.

I'd like to see this timer removed, or have a dev provide us with the reason for having it. Who knows, maybe the next expansion will have a spell or ability that will reduce or eliminate this delay. It seems silly to have something that we've had all along suddenly get taken away from us. It will naturally make us ask why.

Dynaen · 09-25-2007, 10:37 PM

Ikabob@Butcherblock wrote:

Grimwell wrote:It's been like 6 days.. any idea as to why this was changed? a reason, not just speculation like everyone is doing?

I get the feeling with lack of response or any sensible explanation, this is going to fall into the "move along, nothing to see here, suck it up" changes and leave everyone aggravated until people start forgetting about it in a year.

MrWolfie · 09-26-2007, 06:54 AM

Eneoki@Butcherblock wrote:

MrWolfie wrote:
Harvash wrote:
Just did this last night, 23 Sept 2007. All went well, first time go at this task. Push 4 boxes in order x 4 sets of boxes. Completed with 70 Monk and 70 Fury.
Doesn't hurt your testing that all the mobs are grey. You should try doing it at the appropriate level. And no FD
OK.
Err...no grey mobs in gorg room in SoS, don't remember exact levels, but they were blue con. Also, task is timed, no time for FD and that wouldnt have helped my duo partner either. Essentially, if your gear is not complete garbage..you run across the room onto the wall, thereby breaking the encounter.
Also, as stated elsewhere in this thread, you can no longer interact while FD'd.

Ah, right. My bad. I thought you were on about the button pushing in Living Tombs. I now recall the gorg pit quest ~ So you can cast while on the walls now, can you?

Zin`Car · 09-29-2007, 01:27 PM

Grimwell wrote:

Red name post. I'll see what I can learn. " width="15" height="15" />

hooray for the cursory "red name post"!

So... um... it's been 11 days. (your investigation skill is now 1/350! Bong!)

Can we get an official post by a genuine SOE employee as to why this was done or is player speculation sufficient?

xpraetorianx · 09-30-2007, 09:08 AM

no kiddding, Claymore and Peacock quests are practically impossible in some steps now as well. Utterly pointless change to gameplay that is yet again NOT discussed fully amongst the developers that have resulted in breaking several major questlines. Way to go. How can you make a change like this and expect it NOT to break something? Honestly I think SOE was trying to make the Widgets work like the Investigation Skill but they failed horribly at implementing it and broke the game in areas because they didnt think ahead at what would transpire.Just get rid of it already and seriously bonk the person on the head who thought this was a cleavor idea.....

Zin`Car · 09-30-2007, 02:39 PM

i believe the reasoning is a BWSS* resolution. It's a standard SOE protocol resolution that has been implimented to cover a variety of changes which have been gone live throughout the development of all of the various SOE titles. SWG has had quite an abundant "BWSS" changes and all have worked out as intended by the developmental staff. Such changes have always been well thought out, planned, tested from paper to programming. They have passed extensive Q/A before being given the approval of a BWSS. Never in the history of any SOE game has a BWSS resolution been reversed due to the extensive, and comprehensive testing such changes must pass. The BWSS is the highest possible and most prestigious of passing grades any decision can be given. The power to grant such covetted accolades cannot be abused. a very select few even have permission to give out a BWSS.

It takes a well learned and sagely wise beyond his years individual to know what is and is not deserving of a BWSS. I am most certain that this change we face now has earned its right to bear the mark.

*Because we said so

liveja · 09-30-2007, 03:40 PM

Grimwell wrote:

Red name post. I'll see what I can learn. " width="15" height="15" />

Been 12 days now, Grim. Any chance we could get *some* kind of *actual* response to this? Seriously, even a "we're still looking into this & debating internally what to do next" would be superior to silence

Krontak · 10-01-2007, 12:13 PM

SOE should just change this to 30 seconds to add to the immersion of the game. THAT would be FUN!!!

saliorboy · 10-01-2007, 01:37 PM

13 days.

xpraetorianx · 10-02-2007, 06:13 AM

...and still counting....

Zin`Car · 10-02-2007, 09:59 AM

have you ever known your parents to give you a deeper explaination then the BWSS? expect nothing less...

IKilled007 · 10-02-2007, 10:18 AM

Why was this changed?

Grimwell · 10-02-2007, 06:56 PM

Patience guys. You are not forgotten. I know, sometimes a delay makes it seem worse, but I'll get ya feedback as soon as I know the real scoop.

Harvash · 10-02-2007, 07:49 PM

MrWolfie wrote:

Ah, right. My bad. I thought you were on about the button pushing in Living Tombs. I now recall the gorg pit quest ~ So you can cast while on the walls now, can you?

Its not a casting action - its labeled 'searching'. Perhaps we will begin to discover the new 'Investigation' skill..lol.

Also, i wasn't baiting the hook here, simply stating my experience with a specific quest, in a specific place and engaged in a specific action.

DISCLAIMER: Since we seem to need to point this out'; This post in no way implies your success, results may vary, please consult your doctor before engaging in any activity that may interfere with your current state of health. And, finally, Just Say No.

kkthks

Peebo · 10-02-2007, 08:01 PM

Its the mirrors in poets palace i hate waiting for, why i need to cast a click to zone ive no idea.

lancekortesoja · 10-02-2007, 10:12 PM

Try casting it with a mob wacking on you

saliorboy · 10-03-2007, 10:17 AM

Grimwell wrote:

Patience guys. You are not forgotten. I know, sometimes a delay makes it seem worse, but I'll get ya feedback as soon as I know the real scoop.

I appreciate the fact that you are looking in to it Grim, I really do... here it comes... BUT its been 15 days since you first said that. You couldn't get a response from some one in over 2 weeks????

Thoral · 10-03-2007, 01:41 PM

My guess is that the PR department is trying to figure out how to make "We did it to prevent bruisers from being FD quest machines" taste better to the bruisers.

Thoral

Grimwell · 10-03-2007, 06:59 PM

Nothing so dramatic as that. More that people were looking into it and trying to identify how far and wide it went, and then the best course of action for a solution. Considering the volume of quests in EQII it's not a small project.That said, the specific cases mentioned in this thread are being addressed. I don't have a date for you on it, but there will be fixes in the not so distant future. Should you run into any quests not already discussed that are similarly affected, please be sure to /bug them so we can get eyes on the problem.Short version: This is not design intent and a new "feature" and the problems that have jumped up will be fixed. If you find new ones, let us know through the /bug channel.Thanks for the patience.

missionarymarr · 10-03-2007, 07:11 PM

Grimwell wrote:

Nothing so dramatic as that. More that people were looking into it and trying to identify how far and wide it went, and then the best course of action for a solution. Considering the volume of quests in EQII it's not a small project.That said, the specific cases mentioned in this thread are being addressed. I don't have a date for you on it, but there will be fixes in the not so distant future. Should you run into any quests not already discussed that are similarly affected, please be sure to /bug them so we can get eyes on the problem.Short version: This is not design intent and a new "feature" and the problems that have jumped up will be fixed. If you find new ones, let us know through the /bug channel.Thanks for the patience.

Well glad to hear the bugged quests are going to be fixed. Still the Original question was never answered. I would like to know why this change was made I tend to feel that SOE would get a lot less complaints if they explained why changes like this were being made. To often we are left feeling that some changes are just made on a whim to annoy players.

3ofme · 10-03-2007, 07:36 PM

Grimwell wrote:

Nothing so dramatic as that. More that people were looking into it and trying to identify how far and wide it went, and then the best course of action for a solution. Considering the volume of quests in EQII it's not a small project.That said, the specific cases mentioned in this thread are being addressed. I don't have a date for you on it, but there will be fixes in the not so distant future. Should you run into any quests not already discussed that are similarly affected, please be sure to /bug them so we can get eyes on the problem.Short version: This is not design intent and a new "feature" and the problems that have jumped up will be fixed. If you find new ones, let us know through the /bug channel.Thanks for the patience.

Hmnn, while this sounds technically like some monumental undertaking, I would think the best course of action would be to remove whatever coding was put into game that added the 2 seconds. And I agree with the poster above me that said the original Question still has not been answered.

Zin`Car · 10-03-2007, 09:40 PM

/bug

"the 2 second delay is a useless, worthless, senseless, meaningless feature that never should have been implimented to begin with as it serves no real purpose and does nothing more then disrupt the game for all players. Please remove it. Thanks."

Whatever it was the dev team thought it was trying to accomplish with this "feature", they failed... completely... miserably.

Sigunn · 10-04-2007, 03:52 AM

Grimwell? Hello?

What was the point of the 2 second delay on quest widgets?

MrWolfie · 10-04-2007, 07:56 AM

Grimwell wrote:

More that people were looking into it and trying to identify how far and wide it went, and then the best course of action for a solution. Considering the volume of quests in EQII it's not a small project.

Well, perhaps those people should have identified how deep this change went BEFORE they put it live, or maybe, just maybe, they should have listened to the feedback from myself and many others in the TESTING FORUM as to how this change was going to break quests, not to mention annoy 99.9% of players, no matter what class they are.So, again, what's the change supposed to address and why was such a blanket change instigated against the advice of all your testers?

Gnobrin · 10-04-2007, 03:57 PM

From what I've squeezed from this issue, it seems that this was *intended* to make universal a system out of something that was WIDELY differing. The change was pushed so that all such things would require the same amount of time. Yes, this ended up causeing issue to some quests, and that's being documented and soon to be corrected as soon as all of those bugs are known. When you come across such an issue ingame, be sure to /bug it ingame to then ensure that the development staff knows of it so it can then be added to the list.

~Gnobrin!

09-24-2007, 07:05 AM	#61
tamikasipke Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16	MrWolfie wrote: Harvash wrote: Just did this last night, 23 Sept 2007. All went well, first time go at this task. Push 4 boxes in order x 4 sets of boxes. Completed with 70 Monk and 70 Fury. Doesn't hurt your testing that all the mobs are grey. You should try doing it at the appropriate level. And no FD. That claymore part is far from grey in deep Sots, mobs are around lvl67-69-70... ^^ __________________

09-24-2007, 02:22 PM	#62
Ikabob Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 10	Grimwell wrote: Red name post. I'll see what I can learn. " width="15" height="15" /> It's been like 6 days.. any idea as to why this was changed? a reason, not just speculation like everyone is doing? __________________

09-24-2007, 02:39 PM	#63
Vydian Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 102	One person mentioned ghosting and that's the reason for this change. If you don't know what it is, don't worry about it as it is an exploit and would probably get someone banned if they explained. Suffice to say it fixes some stuff and not others. __________________

09-24-2007, 09:59 PM	#64
Harvash Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 247	MrWolfie wrote: Harvash wrote: Just did this last night, 23 Sept 2007. All went well, first time go at this task. Push 4 boxes in order x 4 sets of boxes. Completed with 70 Monk and 70 Fury. Doesn't hurt your testing that all the mobs are grey. You should try doing it at the appropriate level. And no FD OK. Err...no grey mobs in gorg room in SoS, don't remember exact levels, but they were blue con. Also, task is timed, no time for FD and that wouldnt have helped my duo partner either. Essentially, if your gear is not complete garbage..you run across the room onto the wall, thereby breaking the encounter. Also, as stated elsewhere in this thread, you can no longer interact while FD'd.

09-24-2007, 10:01 PM	#65
liveja General Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends Posts: 4,793	I just want to know why the teleporter that takes you from one part of Neriak to another is considered a "quest widget", for purposes of this change. Granted, it's only 2 seconds. It's just that it seems so completely, utterly pointless to have to wait 2 seconds, THEN go thru the whole "zone loading" bit. Even more strange, the cloud portals in the KOS zones don't seem to have the 2 second wait time before they become active; if the intra-Neriak transportal has one, why not the intra-zone transports in KOS? I think that SOE targeted some particular issues that needed attention, & then went after those issues with sledgehammers instead of scalpels. __________________

09-25-2007, 09:12 PM	#66
Magic General Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: In front of my computer Posts: 359	I've noticed that this game has so many aspects interwoven that it is very fragile. Any change, regardless of how well-intentioned, will cause repercussions in other aspects of the game. Like this widget timer breaking one or more quests that depend upon quick clicking. I guess this is the reason for this board in the first place. With the massive size of the EQ2 program, it is difficult to think about everything that will be affected. It's up to us to provide feedback and bug reports, as we're already doing. I'd like to see this timer removed, or have a dev provide us with the reason for having it. Who knows, maybe the next expansion will have a spell or ability that will reduce or eliminate this delay. It seems silly to have something that we've had all along suddenly get taken away from us. It will naturally make us ask why. __________________ Soloist addicted to finding fabled gear.

09-25-2007, 10:37 PM	#67
Dynaen Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 103	Ikabob@Butcherblock wrote: Grimwell wrote:It's been like 6 days.. any idea as to why this was changed? a reason, not just speculation like everyone is doing? I get the feeling with lack of response or any sensible explanation, this is going to fall into the "move along, nothing to see here, suck it up" changes and leave everyone aggravated until people start forgetting about it in a year.

09-26-2007, 06:54 AM	#68
MrWolfie Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Agent of Chaos Guildhall, North Qeynos, Splitpaw. Posts: 1,239	Eneoki@Butcherblock wrote: MrWolfie wrote: Harvash wrote: Just did this last night, 23 Sept 2007. All went well, first time go at this task. Push 4 boxes in order x 4 sets of boxes. Completed with 70 Monk and 70 Fury. Doesn't hurt your testing that all the mobs are grey. You should try doing it at the appropriate level. And no FD OK. Err...no grey mobs in gorg room in SoS, don't remember exact levels, but they were blue con. Also, task is timed, no time for FD and that wouldnt have helped my duo partner either. Essentially, if your gear is not complete garbage..you run across the room onto the wall, thereby breaking the encounter. Also, as stated elsewhere in this thread, you can no longer interact while FD'd. Ah, right. My bad. I thought you were on about the button pushing in Living Tombs. I now recall the gorg pit quest ~ So you can cast while on the walls now, can you? __________________

09-29-2007, 01:27 PM	#69
Zin`Car General Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Neriak - Third Gate Posts: 612	Grimwell wrote: Red name post. I'll see what I can learn. " width="15" height="15" /> hooray for the cursory "red name post"! So... um... it's been 11 days. (your investigation skill is now 1/350! Bong!) Can we get an official post by a genuine SOE employee as to why this was done or is player speculation sufficient? __________________ The problem with humanity is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?

09-30-2007, 09:08 AM	#70
xpraetorianx Fansite Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 419	no kiddding, Claymore and Peacock quests are practically impossible in some steps now as well. Utterly pointless change to gameplay that is yet again NOT discussed fully amongst the developers that have resulted in breaking several major questlines. Way to go. How can you make a change like this and expect it NOT to break something? Honestly I think SOE was trying to make the Widgets work like the Investigation Skill but they failed horribly at implementing it and broke the game in areas because they didnt think ahead at what would transpire.Just get rid of it already and seriously bonk the person on the head who thought this was a cleavor idea.....

09-30-2007, 02:39 PM	#71
Zin`Car General Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Neriak - Third Gate Posts: 612	i believe the reasoning is a BWSS* resolution. It's a standard SOE protocol resolution that has been implimented to cover a variety of changes which have been gone live throughout the development of all of the various SOE titles. SWG has had quite an abundant "BWSS" changes and all have worked out as intended by the developmental staff. Such changes have always been well thought out, planned, tested from paper to programming. They have passed extensive Q/A before being given the approval of a BWSS. Never in the history of any SOE game has a BWSS resolution been reversed due to the extensive, and comprehensive testing such changes must pass. The BWSS is the highest possible and most prestigious of passing grades any decision can be given. The power to grant such covetted accolades cannot be abused. a very select few even have permission to give out a BWSS. It takes a well learned and sagely wise beyond his years individual to know what is and is not deserving of a BWSS. I am most certain that this change we face now has earned its right to bear the mark. *Because we said so __________________ The problem with humanity is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?

09-30-2007, 03:40 PM	#72
liveja General Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends Posts: 4,793	Grimwell wrote: Red name post. I'll see what I can learn. " width="15" height="15" /> Been 12 days now, Grim. Any chance we could get some kind of actual response to this? Seriously, even a "we're still looking into this & debating internally what to do next" would be superior to silence __________________

10-01-2007, 12:13 PM	#73
Krontak Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 438	SOE should just change this to 30 seconds to add to the immersion of the game. THAT would be FUN!!! __________________

10-01-2007, 01:37 PM	#74
saliorboy Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 35	13 days. __________________ Ha, made you look.

10-02-2007, 06:13 AM	#75
xpraetorianx Fansite Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 419	...and still counting....

10-02-2007, 09:59 AM	#76
Zin`Car General Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Neriak - Third Gate Posts: 612	have you ever known your parents to give you a deeper explaination then the BWSS? expect nothing less... __________________ The problem with humanity is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?

10-02-2007, 10:18 AM	#77
IKilled007 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 64	Why was this changed? __________________ Quod licet Jovi non licet bovi.

10-02-2007, 06:56 PM	#78
Grimwell Community Relations Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,062	Patience guys. You are not forgotten. I know, sometimes a delay makes it seem worse, but I'll get ya feedback as soon as I know the real scoop.

10-02-2007, 07:49 PM	#79
Harvash Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 247	MrWolfie wrote: Ah, right. My bad. I thought you were on about the button pushing in Living Tombs. I now recall the gorg pit quest ~ So you can cast while on the walls now, can you? Its not a casting action - its labeled 'searching'. Perhaps we will begin to discover the new 'Investigation' skill..lol. Also, i wasn't baiting the hook here, simply stating my experience with a specific quest, in a specific place and engaged in a specific action. DISCLAIMER: Since we seem to need to point this out'; This post in no way implies your success, results may vary, please consult your doctor before engaging in any activity that may interfere with your current state of health. And, finally, Just Say No. kkthks

10-02-2007, 08:01 PM	#80
Peebo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Scotland, UK Posts: 45	Its the mirrors in poets palace i hate waiting for, why i need to cast a click to zone ive no idea. __________________

10-02-2007, 10:12 PM	#81
lancekortesoja Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 283	Try casting it with a mob wacking on you __________________ Level 80 Brigand [retried] Level 64 Necromancer [retried] countless other alts May the ones lost in Live Update 13 Rest in Peace.

10-03-2007, 10:17 AM	#82
saliorboy Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 35	Grimwell wrote: Patience guys. You are not forgotten. I know, sometimes a delay makes it seem worse, but I'll get ya feedback as soon as I know the real scoop. I appreciate the fact that you are looking in to it Grim, I really do... here it comes... BUT its been 15 days since you first said that. You couldn't get a response from some one in over 2 weeks???? __________________ Ha, made you look.

10-03-2007, 01:41 PM	#83
Thoral Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 161	My guess is that the PR department is trying to figure out how to make "We did it to prevent bruisers from being FD quest machines" taste better to the bruisers. Thoral

10-03-2007, 06:59 PM	#84
Grimwell Community Relations Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,062	Nothing so dramatic as that. More that people were looking into it and trying to identify how far and wide it went, and then the best course of action for a solution. Considering the volume of quests in EQII it's not a small project.That said, the specific cases mentioned in this thread are being addressed. I don't have a date for you on it, but there will be fixes in the not so distant future. Should you run into any quests not already discussed that are similarly affected, please be sure to /bug them so we can get eyes on the problem.Short version: This is not design intent and a new "feature" and the problems that have jumped up will be fixed. If you find new ones, let us know through the /bug channel.Thanks for the patience.

10-03-2007, 07:11 PM	#85
missionarymarr Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 215	Grimwell wrote: Nothing so dramatic as that. More that people were looking into it and trying to identify how far and wide it went, and then the best course of action for a solution. Considering the volume of quests in EQII it's not a small project.That said, the specific cases mentioned in this thread are being addressed. I don't have a date for you on it, but there will be fixes in the not so distant future. Should you run into any quests not already discussed that are similarly affected, please be sure to /bug them so we can get eyes on the problem.Short version: This is not design intent and a new "feature" and the problems that have jumped up will be fixed. If you find new ones, let us know through the /bug channel.Thanks for the patience. Well glad to hear the bugged quests are going to be fixed. Still the Original question was never answered. I would like to know why this change was made I tend to feel that SOE would get a lot less complaints if they explained why changes like this were being made. To often we are left feeling that some changes are just made on a whim to annoy players.

10-03-2007, 07:36 PM	#86
3ofme Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 25	Grimwell wrote: Nothing so dramatic as that. More that people were looking into it and trying to identify how far and wide it went, and then the best course of action for a solution. Considering the volume of quests in EQII it's not a small project.That said, the specific cases mentioned in this thread are being addressed. I don't have a date for you on it, but there will be fixes in the not so distant future. Should you run into any quests not already discussed that are similarly affected, please be sure to /bug them so we can get eyes on the problem.Short version: This is not design intent and a new "feature" and the problems that have jumped up will be fixed. If you find new ones, let us know through the /bug channel.Thanks for the patience. Hmnn, while this sounds technically like some monumental undertaking, I would think the best course of action would be to remove whatever coding was put into game that added the 2 seconds. And I agree with the poster above me that said the original Question still has not been answered.

10-03-2007, 09:40 PM	#87
Zin`Car General Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Neriak - Third Gate Posts: 612	/bug "the 2 second delay is a useless, worthless, senseless, meaningless feature that never should have been implimented to begin with as it serves no real purpose and does nothing more then disrupt the game for all players. Please remove it. Thanks." Whatever it was the dev team thought it was trying to accomplish with this "feature", they failed... completely... miserably. __________________ The problem with humanity is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?

10-04-2007, 03:52 AM	#88
Sigunn Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 97	Grimwell? Hello? What was the point of the 2 second delay on quest widgets? __________________ Ramborg, 80 Coercer, Venekor server Alfhild, 80 Defiler, Venekor server Lindoria, 54 Inquisitor, Venekor server Vigg, 80 Woodworker, Venekor server Signe, 32 illusionist, Venekor server

10-04-2007, 07:56 AM	#89
MrWolfie Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Agent of Chaos Guildhall, North Qeynos, Splitpaw. Posts: 1,239	Grimwell wrote: More that people were looking into it and trying to identify how far and wide it went, and then the best course of action for a solution. Considering the volume of quests in EQII it's not a small project. Well, perhaps those people should have identified how deep this change went BEFORE they put it live, or maybe, just maybe, they should have listened to the feedback from myself and many others in the TESTING FORUM as to how this change was going to break quests, not to mention annoy 99.9% of players, no matter what class they are.So, again, what's the change supposed to address and why was such a blanket change instigated against the advice of all your testers? __________________

10-04-2007, 03:57 PM	#90
Gnobrin Steam-monkey Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ak'Anon Posts: 1,007	From what I've squeezed from this issue, it seems that this was intended to make universal a system out of something that was WIDELY differing. The change was pushed so that all such things would require the same amount of time. Yes, this ended up causeing issue to some quests, and that's being documented and soon to be corrected as soon as all of those bugs are known. When you come across such an issue ingame, be sure to /bug it ingame to then ensure that the development staff knows of it so it can then be added to the list. ~Gnobrin!