Please ohhh Please can we have a house item to toggle AA lines soon

KannaWhoopass · 09-11-2007, 03:18 PM

I heard that there may be a house itwm introduced to the game which would allow characters to toggle between 2 AA states.

Please ohhh please can we get this in before ROK.

I lead raids on a PvP server.

I cant tell you how frustrating it is to be in raids with our guild and get the following.

"Ok we need to avoid the AOE do any druids have Tortoise shell ?"

answer "ummm nope"

"Ok do any of the Dirges have BladeDance?"

"ummmm nope"

Thats ok because the Druids will heal thru it . cause you guys have critical heals ?"

"Ummm nope Str and Int line Im melee spec'd"

"Well then Brigands can you reduce the AOE radius of the mob please "

"Umm nope didnt take that line"

"Can you Increase the AOE times please ?" ... ummmmm nope.

"Fine we will deal with it but when the mob gets to X% hitpoints can wizards manaburn it ... you know what is gonna be the answer....

Can Assasins burn it ... sort of we are not full DPS spec ..

It is driving me insane... when compared to the PvE server raid forces most PvP raids look like [Removed for Content].

The average DPS is 20%- 40% lower . The Mob debuffs are less . many of the avoidance spells are lacking.. And it is impossible to get thses guys to change the AA lines because they cant go out and PvP later.. The Guild isnt rich enought to pay 100 plat each raid to swap AA for the needed classes ...

Many of the freeport and Qeynos guilds are still there because they PvP .

The Exile guilds have no problem going PvE AA lines as few of them go out to PvP ..

Would it be too much to get this implemented ... um .. today..

I hope this was in the works and not just a pipe dream

Ameniel · 09-11-2007, 04:10 PM

I think the state of AA should stay as it is, it forces people to spec either for pve(raid) or pvp and makes them decide which is more important. If you can do both, there will be pretty much no thought going into AA specs anymore.

Far as pvp raids being [Removed for Content] compared to pve raids...go to a [Removed for Content] blue server if you're so concerned with raiding.

Wytie · 09-11-2007, 04:20 PM

Ameniel wrote:

I think the state of AA should stay as it is, it forces people to spec either for pve(raid) or pvp and makes them decide which is more important. If you can do both, there will be pretty much no thought going into AA specs anymore.
Far as pvp raids being [Removed for Content] compared to pve raids...go to a [I cannot control my vocabulary] blue server if you're so concerned with raiding.

now now Sabal, he does have a point. Yes not everyone is here to raid, but some do enjoy it too. And having key classes not speced hurts single faction raids even more.

Hey its still good even if you dont lke to raid, solo pvp spec and group pvp spec. Some classes arent good hybriders and some are, just gives people more of a choice, and im all for that

Yea i wish it was live too, would be interesting to full out DPS spec and not worry about it but thats just my opinion...

Harbringer Doom · 09-11-2007, 05:04 PM

I don't know if the question is whether they are going to do it or not, but rather when they are going to do it. But, the question of whether it should be done or not is an interesting one. Its almost like being PvP specced with your AA is a penalty to raiding, and vice versa. So, you have to choose between raiding most successfully with the help AA can give you, and becoming raid geared, or PvPing most successfully with the help AA can give you... and not being able to raid as successfully. And interesting position to be put in. But, anyway, I read that the house item was coming too, but I think it was a report from the Fan Faire, so who knows how accurate that information is.

Xova · 09-12-2007, 04:25 PM

Horknut@Nagafen wrote:

I don't know if the question is whether they are going to do it or not, but rather when they are going to do it.But, the question of whether it should be done or not is an interesting one. Its almost like being PvP specced with your AA is a penalty to raiding, and vice versa. So, you have to choose between raiding most successfully with the help AA can give you, and becoming raid geared, or PvPing most successfully with the help AA can give you... and not being able to raid as successfully.And interesting position to be put in.But, anyway, I read that the house item was coming too, but I think it was a report from the Fan Faire, so who knows how accurate that information is.

They will put this in, most likely with the RoK release (I was in the dev panel at Fan Faire when Lockeye announced this feature.)

On the argument against it though - I personally like the change. I raid, and I PvP. Some of my AA lines are definitely better for PvP versus raiding, and vice versa, and it would be VERY nice to be able to go switch in and out of the specs as needed, without having to pay large sums of money, so that I can enjoy the ENTIRE game and not just a part of it.

fxt · 09-12-2007, 11:38 PM

Even if people do not raid I know many classes would spec differently for solo or group play. Toggling between aa specs cannot come soon enough SMILEY

matt2004 · 09-12-2007, 11:42 PM

Kyen@Nagafen wrote:

Even if people do not raid I know many classes would spec differently for solo or group play. Toggling between aa specs cannot come soon enough " width="15" height="15" />

i agree. pretty good idea hope its implemented soon....even if they give it a cooldown or something...

(cooldown is just a rumor no idea if its true or not)

Zanid · 09-14-2007, 04:02 PM

This AA toggle item is going to be awesome! I wasn't even thinking of raiding PvE content - I'm just thinking of group vs solo PvP options. My groups usually kill even con groups because we're spec'd for group PvP with our AAs. Having a Skald spec'd Dirge or STA spec'd Rogue with a Guardian is kind of silly, but they're great builds for soloing.

Of course, this could create the same scenario as described in the original post. Players that build their toons for solo & group PvP may still not be perfectly spec'd raiding PvE.

kreepr · 09-14-2007, 04:28 PM

Xova wrote:

Horknut@Nagafen wrote:
I don't know if the question is whether they are going to do it or not, but rather when they are going to do it.But, the question of whether it should be done or not is an interesting one. Its almost like being PvP specced with your AA is a penalty to raiding, and vice versa. So, you have to choose between raiding most successfully with the help AA can give you, and becoming raid geared, or PvPing most successfully with the help AA can give you... and not being able to raid as successfully.And interesting position to be put in.But, anyway, I read that the house item was coming too, but I think it was a report from the Fan Faire, so who knows how accurate that information is.
They will put this in, most likely with the RoK release (I was in the dev panel at Fan Faire when Lockeye announced this feature.)
On the argument against it though - I personally like the change. I raid, and I PvP. Some of my AA lines are definitely better for PvP versus raiding, and vice versa, and it would be VERY nice to be able to go switch in and out of the specs as needed, without having to pay large sums of money, so that I can enjoy the ENTIRE game and not just a part of it.

LOL your always full of juicy little tid-bits, so you are.This could make good use out of this cant wait.

Xova · 09-14-2007, 10:04 PM

kreepr13 wrote:

LOL your always full of juicy little tid-bits, so you are.

That sounded really, really wrong. >.<

But thanks! SMILEY

Zexxii · 09-18-2007, 04:47 PM

KannaWhoopass wrote:

I heard that there may be a house itwm introduced to the game which would allow characters to toggle between 2 AA states.
Please ohhh please can we get this in before ROK.
I lead raids on a PvP server.
I cant tell you how frustrating it is to be in raids with our guild and get the following.
"Ok we need to avoid the AOE do any druids have Tortoise shell ?"
answer "ummm nope"
"Ok do any of the Dirges have BladeDance?"
"ummmm nope"
Thats ok because the Druids will heal thru it . cause you guys have critical heals ?"
"Ummm nope Str and Int line Im melee spec'd"
"Well then Brigands can you reduce the AOE radius of the mob please "
"Umm nope didnt take that line"
"Can you Increase the AOE times please ?" ... ummmmm nope.
"Fine we will deal with it but when the mob gets to X% hitpoints can wizards manaburn it ... you know what is gonna be the answer....
Can Assasins burn it ... sort of we are not full DPS spec ..
It is driving me insane... when compared to the PvE server raid forces most PvP raids look like [Removed for Content].
The average DPS is 20%- 40% lower . The Mob debuffs are less . many of the avoidance spells are lacking.. And it is impossible to get thses guys to change the AA lines because they cant go out and PvP later.. The Guild isnt rich enought to pay 100 plat each raid to swap AA for the needed classes ...
Many of the freeport and Qeynos guilds are still there because they PvP .
The Exile guilds have no problem going PvE AA lines as few of them go out to PvP ..
Would it be too much to get this implemented ... um .. today..
I hope this was in the works and not just a pipe dream

/amen

bump for a PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE now? please?!?! purty please? with sugar, and kisses, and hugs and stuff?

Rattfa · 09-19-2007, 07:45 AM

I agree totally, but I'm pretty sure devs said it would come with RoK...so we got a couple of months to wait yet.I refuse to spec Tortoise Shell, because it will [Removed for Content] me in pvp...and I dont have enough money to respec 2-4 times a week. I do have the crit heals though, because I find the debuffs and stun/interrupt immunity more valuable in PvP than STR line.

Leorange · 09-19-2007, 08:43 AM

Sure. But..

How many AA line toggle options will we get, and will this ever be fully satisfying? If it offers just two toggles, I forsee a problem for when we like to choose between a defensive, offensive, sunday, harvest, solo, group ànd raid setting.

Personally I don't like respecs that much. It's all personal achievement imo, and thats what makes you what you are now. I.e. an olympic swimmer handing in his gold medals so he can race Formula 1 on pole position.. without some training, that sounds unfair. Not to mention his fans loose track: "Look, thats a good swimmer I know" "Is he? He's getting his tires changed m8"

If you want to be another guy, roll a new character.

disclaimer: not that I wouldn't use the AA toggler SMILEY

Odama · 09-19-2007, 08:55 AM

I want this for my Inquisitor since I am disallowed from useing her dps in lieu of being a heal battery, having the AA to switch from my FOTM Battle Cleric setup to faster healing raid setup would be nice. For my Berserker /shrug, I guess it would be nice to have a tank/dps mode but I liked it as a cool factor in terms of uniqueness. Now this will lend more to set templates that everyone will use and very little experimenting, not that its any different now, but I feel that it's not intended to be this way.

Yay the game gets easier with every patch.

09-11-2007, 04:10 PM	#2
Ameniel Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 304	I think the state of AA should stay as it is, it forces people to spec either for pve(raid) or pvp and makes them decide which is more important. If you can do both, there will be pretty much no thought going into AA specs anymore. Far as pvp raids being [Removed for Content] compared to pve raids...go to a [Removed for Content] blue server if you're so concerned with raiding. __________________ Ameniel, Bruiser of Venekor(Retired) Sabal, Brigand of Venekor Narade, Ranger of Nagafen Offense, Troubadour of Nagafen It's all about the strategerie

09-11-2007, 04:20 PM	#3
Wytie Mouse Betrayer! Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,579	Ameniel wrote: I think the state of AA should stay as it is, it forces people to spec either for pve(raid) or pvp and makes them decide which is more important. If you can do both, there will be pretty much no thought going into AA specs anymore. Far as pvp raids being [Removed for Content] compared to pve raids...go to a [I cannot control my vocabulary] blue server if you're so concerned with raiding. now now Sabal, he does have a point. Yes not everyone is here to raid, but some do enjoy it too. And having key classes not speced hurts single faction raids even more. Hey its still good even if you dont lke to raid, solo pvp spec and group pvp spec. Some classes arent good hybriders and some are, just gives people more of a choice, and im all for that Yea i wish it was live too, would be interesting to full out DPS spec and not worry about it but thats just my opinion... __________________

09-12-2007, 04:25 PM	#5
Xova Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 509	Horknut@Nagafen wrote: I don't know if the question is whether they are going to do it or not, but rather when they are going to do it.But, the question of whether it should be done or not is an interesting one. Its almost like being PvP specced with your AA is a penalty to raiding, and vice versa. So, you have to choose between raiding most successfully with the help AA can give you, and becoming raid geared, or PvPing most successfully with the help AA can give you... and not being able to raid as successfully.And interesting position to be put in.But, anyway, I read that the house item was coming too, but I think it was a report from the Fan Faire, so who knows how accurate that information is. They will put this in, most likely with the RoK release (I was in the dev panel at Fan Faire when Lockeye announced this feature.) On the argument against it though - I personally like the change. I raid, and I PvP. Some of my AA lines are definitely better for PvP versus raiding, and vice versa, and it would be VERY nice to be able to go switch in and out of the specs as needed, without having to pay large sums of money, so that I can enjoy the ENTIRE game and not just a part of it.

09-12-2007, 11:42 PM	#7
matt2004 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 194	Kyen@Nagafen wrote: Even if people do not raid I know many classes would spec differently for solo or group play. Toggling between aa specs cannot come soon enough " width="15" height="15" /> i agree. pretty good idea hope its implemented soon....even if they give it a cooldown or something... (cooldown is just a rumor no idea if its true or not)

09-14-2007, 04:28 PM	#9
kreepr General Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 681	Xova wrote: Horknut@Nagafen wrote: I don't know if the question is whether they are going to do it or not, but rather when they are going to do it.But, the question of whether it should be done or not is an interesting one. Its almost like being PvP specced with your AA is a penalty to raiding, and vice versa. So, you have to choose between raiding most successfully with the help AA can give you, and becoming raid geared, or PvPing most successfully with the help AA can give you... and not being able to raid as successfully.And interesting position to be put in.But, anyway, I read that the house item was coming too, but I think it was a report from the Fan Faire, so who knows how accurate that information is. They will put this in, most likely with the RoK release (I was in the dev panel at Fan Faire when Lockeye announced this feature.) On the argument against it though - I personally like the change. I raid, and I PvP. Some of my AA lines are definitely better for PvP versus raiding, and vice versa, and it would be VERY nice to be able to go switch in and out of the specs as needed, without having to pay large sums of money, so that I can enjoy the ENTIRE game and not just a part of it. LOL your always full of juicy little tid-bits, so you are.This could make good use out of this cant wait.

09-11-2007, 03:18 PM	#1
KannaWhoopass Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 399	I heard that there may be a house itwm introduced to the game which would allow characters to toggle between 2 AA states. Please ohhh please can we get this in before ROK. I lead raids on a PvP server. I cant tell you how frustrating it is to be in raids with our guild and get the following. "Ok we need to avoid the AOE do any druids have Tortoise shell ?" answer "ummm nope" "Ok do any of the Dirges have BladeDance?" "ummmm nope" Thats ok because the Druids will heal thru it . cause you guys have critical heals ?" "Ummm nope Str and Int line Im melee spec'd" "Well then Brigands can you reduce the AOE radius of the mob please " "Umm nope didnt take that line" "Can you Increase the AOE times please ?" ... ummmmm nope. "Fine we will deal with it but when the mob gets to X% hitpoints can wizards manaburn it ... you know what is gonna be the answer.... Can Assasins burn it ... sort of we are not full DPS spec .. It is driving me insane... when compared to the PvE server raid forces most PvP raids look like [Removed for Content]. The average DPS is 20%- 40% lower . The Mob debuffs are less . many of the avoidance spells are lacking.. And it is impossible to get thses guys to change the AA lines because they cant go out and PvP later.. The Guild isnt rich enought to pay 100 plat each raid to swap AA for the needed classes ... Many of the freeport and Qeynos guilds are still there because they PvP . The Exile guilds have no problem going PvE AA lines as few of them go out to PvP .. Would it be too much to get this implemented ... um .. today.. I hope this was in the works and not just a pipe dream

09-11-2007, 05:04 PM	#4
Harbringer Doom Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 669	I don't know if the question is whether they are going to do it or not, but rather when they are going to do it. But, the question of whether it should be done or not is an interesting one. Its almost like being PvP specced with your AA is a penalty to raiding, and vice versa. So, you have to choose between raiding most successfully with the help AA can give you, and becoming raid geared, or PvPing most successfully with the help AA can give you... and not being able to raid as successfully. And interesting position to be put in. But, anyway, I read that the house item was coming too, but I think it was a report from the Fan Faire, so who knows how accurate that information is.

09-12-2007, 11:38 PM	#6
fxt Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 58	Even if people do not raid I know many classes would spec differently for solo or group play. Toggling between aa specs cannot come soon enough

09-14-2007, 04:02 PM	#8
Zanid General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 48	This AA toggle item is going to be awesome! I wasn't even thinking of raiding PvE content - I'm just thinking of group vs solo PvP options. My groups usually kill even con groups because we're spec'd for group PvP with our AAs. Having a Skald spec'd Dirge or STA spec'd Rogue with a Guardian is kind of silly, but they're great builds for soloing. Of course, this could create the same scenario as described in the original post. Players that build their toons for solo & group PvP may still not be perfectly spec'd raiding PvE.

09-14-2007, 10:04 PM	#10
Xova Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 509	kreepr13 wrote: LOL your always full of juicy little tid-bits, so you are. That sounded really, really wrong. >.< But thanks!

09-18-2007, 04:47 PM	#11
Zexxii Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 181	KannaWhoopass wrote: I heard that there may be a house itwm introduced to the game which would allow characters to toggle between 2 AA states. Please ohhh please can we get this in before ROK. I lead raids on a PvP server. I cant tell you how frustrating it is to be in raids with our guild and get the following. "Ok we need to avoid the AOE do any druids have Tortoise shell ?" answer "ummm nope" "Ok do any of the Dirges have BladeDance?" "ummmm nope" Thats ok because the Druids will heal thru it . cause you guys have critical heals ?" "Ummm nope Str and Int line Im melee spec'd" "Well then Brigands can you reduce the AOE radius of the mob please " "Umm nope didnt take that line" "Can you Increase the AOE times please ?" ... ummmmm nope. "Fine we will deal with it but when the mob gets to X% hitpoints can wizards manaburn it ... you know what is gonna be the answer.... Can Assasins burn it ... sort of we are not full DPS spec .. It is driving me insane... when compared to the PvE server raid forces most PvP raids look like [Removed for Content]. The average DPS is 20%- 40% lower . The Mob debuffs are less . many of the avoidance spells are lacking.. And it is impossible to get thses guys to change the AA lines because they cant go out and PvP later.. The Guild isnt rich enought to pay 100 plat each raid to swap AA for the needed classes ... Many of the freeport and Qeynos guilds are still there because they PvP . The Exile guilds have no problem going PvE AA lines as few of them go out to PvP .. Would it be too much to get this implemented ... um .. today.. I hope this was in the works and not just a pipe dream /amen bump for a PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE now? please?!?! purty please? with sugar, and kisses, and hugs and stuff?

09-19-2007, 07:45 AM	#12
Rattfa Server: Nagafen Guild: Purity Rank: Friends And Family General Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: England Posts: 1,083	I agree totally, but I'm pretty sure devs said it would come with RoK...so we got a couple of months to wait yet.I refuse to spec Tortoise Shell, because it will [Removed for Content] me in pvp...and I dont have enough money to respec 2-4 times a week. I do have the crit heals though, because I find the debuffs and stun/interrupt immunity more valuable in PvP than STR line. __________________ Squeeeek, 80 Brigand - Nagafen Rattface, 80 Fury - Nagafen

09-19-2007, 08:43 AM	#13
Leorange Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Qeynos, Norrath Posts: 236	Sure. But.. How many AA line toggle options will we get, and will this ever be fully satisfying? If it offers just two toggles, I forsee a problem for when we like to choose between a defensive, offensive, sunday, harvest, solo, group ànd raid setting. Personally I don't like respecs that much. It's all personal achievement imo, and thats what makes you what you are now. I.e. an olympic swimmer handing in his gold medals so he can race Formula 1 on pole position.. without some training, that sounds unfair. Not to mention his fans loose track: "Look, thats a good swimmer I know" "Is he? He's getting his tires changed m8" If you want to be another guy, roll a new character. disclaimer: not that I wouldn't use the AA toggler __________________

09-19-2007, 08:55 AM	#14
Odama General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 65	I want this for my Inquisitor since I am disallowed from useing her dps in lieu of being a heal battery, having the AA to switch from my FOTM Battle Cleric setup to faster healing raid setup would be nice. For my Berserker /shrug, I guess it would be nice to have a tank/dps mode but I liked it as a cool factor in terms of uniqueness. Now this will lend more to set templates that everyone will use and very little experimenting, not that its any different now, but I feel that it's not intended to be this way. Yay the game gets easier with every patch. __________________