Fan Faire /claim item

[Calthine]

SG_01 wrote:

Calthine wrote:

Wow, this is almost as good as when I worked at Flames.  Only without the cussing.  /makes popcorn.

*hugs Calthine and steals some popcorn*

HEY NOW!!   Get yer own!!

[Trebs]

SG_01 - I got a bag of popcorn in my lap if you're wanting to grab some   

[PRALL]

Gods.... I have asked twice already to keep the thread on topic. The topic is the cloak, not who did not get it or why.

SO, in line with the actual topic.... I agree with the poster that believes the reuse is a bit long. The only reason I can see for such a reuse timer is to prevent spamming fireworks and causing lag. Sure would be nice to be able to spam it when you finish a tough instance though!

[Jynnan]

SG_01 wrote:

I think you need to reread that. In fact, the "Player of the Year" competition was NOT limited to US residents, only the price of them flying you in was.

Next to that, I don't think you realize the cost of these events. So yea, I think they wouldn't be able to keep their current schedule and host an event in Europe. Besides, they where at the game converence in Berlin, so if you were there, you could meet them. Where you there?

And actually, I think I feel pretty much part of the community, even though I am even further from the US than you are, thank you. As such I did went to the Fan Faire this year, and had a blast. I don't think you even took the time to read where I'm from, now did ya?

For your first point, my I direct you to this thread ... http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=368981 . check the second post.

And The Netherlands is less than 100 miles from where I am as the crow flys, so that's not much of a point, is it?

[Gagla]

Jynnan wrote:

ke'la wrote:

I see you skipped over the $865 lowest price, convinant... It ONLY excludes those unwilling or unable to spend the money to go thier... In order to be excluded from something there has to be NO POSSABLE WAY for you to join in, there was and therefor you where not excluded.

I didn't skip over the $865, I just didn't mention it - didn't need to. (and the word is "convenient"" />

Secondly, you just confirmed my argument for me, and for that I thank you, with the words "It ONLY excludes those unwilling or unable to spend the money ...". So you admit that it is exclusive then?

Finally, you say "In order to be excluded from something there has to be NO POSSABLE (sic) WAY for you to join in". It is not POSSIBLE for me to spare $865, therefore, ipso-facto, I was excluded!

QED

I don't agree with your argument. It would be an exclusion if you were told that even if you had the money and wanted to you would be unable to participate.

[Loolee]

Jynnan wrote:

SG_01 wrote:

I think you need to reread that. In fact, the "Player of the Year" competition was NOT limited to US residents, only the price of them flying you in was.

Next to that, I don't think you realize the cost of these events. So yea, I think they wouldn't be able to keep their current schedule and host an event in Europe. Besides, they where at the game converence in Berlin, so if you were there, you could meet them. Where you there?

And actually, I think I feel pretty much part of the community, even though I am even further from the US than you are, thank you. As such I did went to the Fan Faire this year, and had a blast. I don't think you even took the time to read where I'm from, now did ya?

For your first point, my I direct you to this thread ... http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=368981 . check the second post.  Well, since you didn't read the rest of that thread, the player of the year contest was limited to US players only because the prize had a real dollar value and SOE is subject to US laws for taxes and such regarding giving out prizes.  Hence the limit to US citizens.  Sorry about that, its not SOE being a stickler, is the US government.  It was a very nice gesture to offer it at all.  Have you ever heard the phrase, "Never look a gift horse in the mouth"?

And The Netherlands is less than 100 miles from where I am as the crow flys, so that's not much of a point, is it? " />

Oh, and this is the point.  SG_01 was at Fan Faire this year.  He's got blackmail photos of me . . . dangit.

[Jynnan]

Loolee wrote:

Jynnan wrote:

SG_01 wrote:

I think you need to reread that. In fact, the "Player of the Year" competition was NOT limited to US residents, only the price of them flying you in was.

Next to that, I don't think you realize the cost of these events. So yea, I think they wouldn't be able to keep their current schedule and host an event in Europe. Besides, they where at the game converence in Berlin, so if you were there, you could meet them. Where you there?

And actually, I think I feel pretty much part of the community, even though I am even further from the US than you are, thank you. As such I did went to the Fan Faire this year, and had a blast. I don't think you even took the time to read where I'm from, now did ya?

For your first point, my I direct you to this thread ... http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=368981 . check the second post.  Well, since you didn't read the rest of that thread, the player of the year contest was limited to US players only because the prize had a real dollar value and SOE is subject to US laws for taxes and such regarding giving out prizes.  Hence the limit to US citizens.  Sorry about that, its not SOE being a stickler, is the US government.  It was a very nice gesture to offer it at all.  Have you ever heard the phrase, "Never look a gift horse in the mouth"?

And The Netherlands is less than 100 miles from where I am as the crow flys, so that's not much of a point, is it? ">

Oh, and this is the point.  SG_01 was at Fan Faire this year.  He's got blackmail photos of me . . . dangit.

Well, if it isn't the afore-mentioned Player of The Year, coming in to raise a point! We are honoured!

Loolee, sit down for a moment and let me explain ... I DID read the rest of that thread and I DO know the reasons that were cited for excluding the non-US residents from that "competition"; they were the same reasons cited for excluding all non-US residents from the House Makeover competition - and that, dear heart, is the point I was trying to make!

You see, (and I'm repeating myself now, which is bound to upset old Prallic even more!) SoE have not, so far, come up with any little goodies in the shape of a competition or whatever, that the entire EQ2 player-base can take part in! I'm not saying they're evil or anything, (which some people with over-active imaginations think that I am) I'm just saying that it's about time that they started to come up with some INCLUSIVE competitions.

Clear enough for you?

The fact that SG_01 can afford to travel halfway around the world to visit a conference doesn't mean that the event is inclusive to all; as someone else mentioned, there are people in Las Vegas who play this game who would have baulked at the entrance fee alone - because it was too much for them to afford - that makes the fanfaire EXCLUSIVE! And you can throw as many dictionaries at me as you like, the use of the word "exclusive" is fine in the English language - it's just a question of semantics.

[Calthine]

You're still not getting that your argument makes no sense.  You were not excluded, you just couldn't afford to go, like probably 99% of the EQ2 community.  There were about 1300 people there from all SOE games, barely a dent in the playerbase.

[Loolee]

So, the only thing excluding you from attending this event was YOUR finances.  How is that SOE's fault?

[Wiqd]

So if I'm hungry and I walk into a McDonald's and as you, Jynnan, to give me a 99 cent cheeseburger, but I can't afford it ... in your definition, I can accuse you and McDonald's of being exclusive? You may argue the definition of exclusive and the use of semantics all you want, but there has to be a bit of logic in an argument for it to be valid.

The basic definition is: not divided or shared with others. The Fan Faire was very much divided and shared with others. They extended an invitation for everyone to come, if they could. That is NOT exclusive. As someone else mentioned, it would have been exclusive if they said "For US residents only, don't even think of coming if you don't live here because we won't let you in." That would state that even IF you had the means to go, you still couldn't and THAT is the definition of exlusivity.

 The bouncers who don't let people into clubs because they didn't dress nice ... not because they COULDN'T dress nice, but because they DIDN'T dress nice. That's exclusivity. If they dressed nice and came back, they'd be allowed in. That's NOT the same as them saying "Hey, come to our club, everyone's invited" and you saying "Bah, you're being exclusive because I have to spend money on gas to get to the club." It's childish and you're whining because they set something up (perhaps over and over) where you couldn't get to because of YOUR own finance issues.

However, as I said before, the contests that are US only are exclusive, and for good reason.

[Almeric_CoS]

Wow, this thread helped inspire me to write and write and write.  Only part of it applies to this thread, but ...wow, just wow.  One of the worst threads ever!

[Sandain666]

I like the look of my cloak but the recast time really needs to be adjusted. Has anyone heard any developer say why this has such a long recast time?Guys I think you all are wasting your time trying to teach Jynnan basic definitions of English. Most likely he comes from a socialist European country where near everything is subsidized. He obviously thinks that because there are certain things that he cannot afford he is being excluded from them. By this logic anyone who cannot afford to pay for a monthly subscription is being "excluded" as well. I am looking forward to seeing this thread continue though. If Jynnan is successful in his argument maybe I can convine Sony I am being "excluded" from their high end plasma TV's due to the price.Sandain

[DreadPirate]

Sandain666 wrote:

I am looking forward to seeing this thread continue though. If Jynnan is successful in his argument maybe I can convine Sony I am being "excluded" from their high end plasma TV's due to the price.Sandain

OOoh... I like this point of view.

Ok, I am changing my opinion...  I'm siding with Jynnan now, and SoE owes me a brand new, top-of-the-line PC so I can play the game with all the settings maxed out...  my PC is being excluded from those settings!!!

[Jynnan]

Sandain666 wrote:

I like the look of my cloak but the recast time really needs to be adjusted. Has anyone heard any developer say why this has such a long recast time?Guys I think you all are wasting your time trying to teach Jynnan basic definitions of English. Most likely he comes from a socialist European country where near everything is subsidized. He obviously thinks that because there are certain things that he cannot afford he is being excluded from them. By this logic anyone who cannot afford to pay for a monthly subscription is being "excluded" as well. I am looking forward to seeing this thread continue though. If Jynnan is successful in his argument maybe I can convine Sony I am being "excluded" from their high end plasma TV's due to the price.Sandain

OK, Einstein, justify this hypothesis!

"It's those darned commies!!"

Idiot!

[Jynnan]

DreadPirate wrote:

Sandain666 wrote:

I am looking forward to seeing this thread continue though. If Jynnan is successful in his argument maybe I can convine Sony I am being "excluded" from their high end plasma TV's due to the price.Sandain

OOoh... I like this point of view.

Ok, I am changing my opinion...  I'm siding with Jynnan now, and SoE owes me a brand new, top-of-the-line PC so I can play the game with all the settings maxed out...  my PC is being excluded from those settings!!!

Hehe!! Hoho!! Haha!! Oh please stop it, my sides are splitting due the contant laughter!!!

At least it was way funnier than your comics!

[Jynnan]

Almeric@Permafrost wrote:

Wow, this thread helped inspire me to write and write and write.  Only part of it applies to this thread, but ...wow, just wow.  One of the worst threads ever!

yup! Well and truly hijacked!

[Jynnan]

Loolee wrote:

So, the only thing excluding you from attending this event was YOUR finances.  How is that SOE's fault?

Who said it was SoE's fault that I couldn't attend? Whether or not I, personally, can afford to go or not, is not the issue. This entire complaint (not every complaint is a whinge you know, so why always claim it is, just because you disagree with it?) is about in-game items being given to a small, select, bunch of people that in the end causes other players to feel left out?

However much you try to justify it, it is unfair that SoE provide "extras" for US residents only. Forget about the logistics of travelling halfway around the world to go to fanfaire, what about the other competitions that exclude everyone else? They should either include everyone (and they could if only they got their house in order - other organisations can, as I have evidenced in previous threads), or no one. I will say it once more - I pay the same, if not more, than most of you who call me a whinger here and I should be entitled to the same benefits, either explicit or implicit.

[Jynnan]

Calthine wrote:

You're still not getting that your argument makes no sense.  You were not excluded, you just couldn't afford to go, like probably 99% of the EQ2 community.  There were about 1300 people there from all SOE games, barely a dent in the playerbase.

The fact that 99% of the EQ2 community could not afford to go (in your opinion) makes it exclusive by definition.

Start thinking about it and you'll see I'm right!

[Calthine]

Jynnan wrote:

The fact that 99% of the EQ2 community could not afford to go (in your opinion) makes it exclusive by definition.

Start thinking about it and you'll see I'm right!

Um.  No.  Sorry.

[Jynnan]

Calthine wrote:

Jynnan wrote:

The fact that 99% of the EQ2 community could not afford to go (in your opinion) makes it exclusive by definition.

Start thinking about it and you'll see I'm right!

Um.  No.  Sorry.

Er. yes. actually.

And anyway, I thought you were gonna sit back and watch, with your popcorn?

Women are so fickle.

[DreadPirate]

Jynnan wrote:

DreadPirate wrote:

Sandain666 wrote:

I am looking forward to seeing this thread continue though. If Jynnan is successful in his argument maybe I can convine Sony I am being "excluded" from their high end plasma TV's due to the price.Sandain

OOoh... I like this point of view.

Ok, I am changing my opinion...  I'm siding with Jynnan now, and SoE owes me a brand new, top-of-the-line PC so I can play the game with all the settings maxed out...  my PC is being excluded from those settings!!!

Hehe!! Hoho!! Haha!! Oh please stop it, my sides are splitting due the contant laughter!!!

At least it was way funnier than your comics! " width="15" height="15" />

Oh, there are plenty of things funnier than my comics... like your logic.

But, for you to be truly offering an opinion, and not just a lame attempt at a flame, you had to have read my comics.

And for that, I thank you.

[Jynnan]

DreadPirate wrote:

Oh, there are plenty of things funnier than my comics... like your logic.

But, for you to be truly offering an opinion, and not just a lame attempt at a flame, you had to have read my comics.

And for that, I thank you.

You're welcome

Although, I have to admit that I didn't make much progress with them to be honest. Have you read the FTW comics? Now they ARE funny!

[DreadPirate]

Jynnan wrote:

DreadPirate wrote:

Oh, there are plenty of things funnier than my comics... like your logic.

But, for you to be truly offering an opinion, and not just a lame attempt at a flame, you had to have read my comics.

And for that, I thank you.

You're welcome " width="15" height="15" />

Although, I have to admit that I didn't make much progress with them to be honest. Have you read the FTW comics? Now they ARE funny! " width="15" height="15" />

Well, at least there is something we agree on.

[Wiqd]

Jynnan wrote:

Loolee wrote:

So, the only thing excluding you from attending this event was YOUR finances.  How is that SOE's fault?

Who said it was SoE's fault that I couldn't attend? Whether or not I, personally, can afford to go or not, is not the issue. This entire complaint (not every complaint is a whinge you know, so why always claim it is, just because you disagree with it?) is about in-game items being given to a small, select, bunch of people that in the end causes other players to feel left out?

However much you try to justify it, it is unfair that SoE provide "extras" for US residents only. Forget about the logistics of travelling halfway around the world to go to fanfaire, what about the other competitions that exclude everyone else? They should either include everyone (and they could if only they got their house in order - other organisations can, as I have evidenced in previous threads), or no one. I will say it once more - I pay the same, if not more, than most of you who call me a whinger here and I should be entitled to the same benefits, either explicit or implicit.

You're wrong though. SOE isn't providing extras for US residents only, in the case of the Fan Faire anyway. AND ... you DO pay the same for the game, everyone does. 15 bucks a month. What you did NOT pay, was the cost of what quite a few of the people paid to register for the Fan Faire, fly to the Fan Faire and stay in Vegas. Even those who lived here had to pay money to attend. So, why ... if they paid MORE than everyone else who chose NOT to go to the Fan Faire, should they not get MORE? Follows the logic you've been providing.

Point is, after all is said and done, that you feel entitled to something because you pay for the game. Well, you're GETTING everything everyone else is getting for that price. People paid extra for the Fan Faire and they got extra. You couldn't be bothered to cough up the money to support them in their event that they put up for the people, so you deserve ... no more than anyone else who didn't go. End of Story.

[Calthine]

Jynnan wrote:

Calthine wrote:

Jynnan wrote:

The fact that 99% of the EQ2 community could not afford to go (in your opinion) makes it exclusive by definition.

Start thinking about it and you'll see I'm right!

Um.  No.  Sorry.

Er. yes. actually.

And anyway, I thought you were gonna sit back and watch, with your popcorn?

Women are so fickle.

I ran out of popcorn.Who was talking about a battle of the wits?

[Calthine]

Almeric@Permafrost wrote:

Wow, this thread helped inspire me to write and write and write.  Only part of it applies to this thread, but ...wow, just wow.  One of the worst threads ever!

An excellent piece!  Good read, I give you five imaginary, exclusionary stars!

[Echgar]

Sadly this thread has gotten way off topic and I need to bring it to a close.For those of you interested in discussing, debating, and giving constructive criticism about Fan Faire logistics, a better place to discuss that would be in the SOE Fan Faire Forum.