Suggestion to help new players

Kenazeer · 08-23-2007, 02:09 PM

I take pride in the fact that I help as many new players as I can. Sometimes this is just answering questions in chat, other times it is providing "care packages" and a bit of advice. Many times my care packages will come with a salesmans crate and a bit of advice on the market. As a veteran player, I see market savvy as being integral to getting new players to enjoy the game and stick with it.

I was wondering if people thought it might be a good idea to provide a lore/no trade salesmans crate (say a 10 slot) to new players through the "housing" quest. Examining this crate would then intiate a quest that would explain putting the crate in the market board and placing it in their house.

Positives, negatives, and thoughts?

Orsham · 08-23-2007, 02:13 PM

Maybe. I don't know anything about salesman's crates myself. I'm selling stuff from Elm boxes, is this wrong?

Treggar · 08-23-2007, 02:15 PM

Yeah, it means that people can't buy directly from your house. They have to pay the broker commission and alot of people don't like doing that.

Orsham · 08-23-2007, 02:21 PM

Oh, that's how you sell from your house without commission. I haven't got around to looking into that yet. So, yes, the OP's idea does sound good.

MacKay · 08-25-2007, 06:19 PM

I can count on the thumbs of one hand the number of "good additions to the game" that I've thought worthwhile. Most tend to be of the "It'll help ME, so let's add it" variety.This idea, on the other hand, is excellent. Well thought, I say.

Femke · 08-26-2007, 07:23 AM

Treggar@Guk wrote:

Yeah, it means that people can't buy directly from your house. They have to pay the broker commission and alot of people don't like doing that.

On the other side, a lot of people are also to lazy to visit someone's house in another part of town (or even further). When it saves them really some gold-pieces, then maybe.... and just maybe.And yes, I am one of those lazy people... I never visited a vendors home.I like the idea from the OP BTW.Femke.

kaokhaai · 08-26-2007, 07:53 AM

IMO salesman's crates are a luxury item, not a necessity. By the time you're selling items that are expensive enough that the buyer wants to avoid the broker fee, you should be able to afford a salesman's crate. IMO carpenters need to be the ones supplying the salesmans crates. I would like to see better tutorials in-game though, a lot of things are just un-intuitive in this game. Especially the tradeskill process but I see that is being looked into by DominoDev now.

Ansek · 08-26-2007, 08:45 AM

I'm in two minds about this. I like the idea that new players are helped - because the broker system isn't the most intuitive in the world. But on the other hand, my carpenter cost a LOT of money to level and the only thing he can habitually sell is salesman crates and storage boxes. Sure some of the high end rare furniture sells, due to the status reductions, but the majority of his sales comes from storage. The trouble is, people don't upgrade their storage like they do their armour, or buy storage on a regular basis like food, totems, arrows and spell upgrades. People tend to buy the biggest they can afford and only upgrade when they really have to. My provisioner, tailor, jeweller and woodworker are all self funded - and even turn around a nice bit of profit - but my carpenter isn't. To keep from removing carpenters' main market, they'd have to make the free crate something pretty useless like a 10 slot, which would kinda defeat the object.

kaokhaai · 08-26-2007, 09:58 AM

I also find that the fir salesman's crates sell better than the oak or higher ones (due to price), so it looks like a lot of people are happy with just one fir crate to sell out of, and don't need a lot more. That's a pretty meager market for carpenters allready.

Ardnahoy · 08-26-2007, 11:15 AM

This is a great suggestion.

Rijacki · 08-26-2007, 11:21 AM

After some brainstorming in the Tradeskill forum a week or so ago, we put the idea into a post in the Items forum: http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=378167. We think it would be a good idea to have a "starter crate" as part of the buying your first house tutorial. So... great minds think alike? or something like that...

TniEradani · 08-26-2007, 01:09 PM

I think this is a wonderful idea. 10-slots is big enough to benefit a new player and not so big that it would infringe on carpenter's markets.

The tutorial quest is fantastic too. Starting out selling stuff is really hard to figure out and a lengthy and hard to follow conversation on chat every time the question is asked.

Make the box the quest reward.

As for whether or not you visit someone's house to buy stuff - that's kind of irrelevant to teaching new players how to play and letting them know that they could visit someone's house to buy stuff if they wanted to.

melaine_dvarvensplitter · 08-26-2007, 02:43 PM

As the owner of many alts, and rerolling I would love to see a 10-14 slot no-trade, lore salesman crate from a quest. Perhaps tie it in with crafting? This way it will aslo introduce them into crafting as well as get a nifty sales box.

Shompta · 08-27-2007, 05:38 PM

A simple quest that introduces and explains the broker system and offers a 10 slot crate sounds nice to me. Learning how to use the brokers is really important for new players.

Bloodfa · 08-27-2007, 05:44 PM

Great idea. Two thumbs up. SMILEY

Vith · 08-27-2007, 06:00 PM

I agree a quest introducing some of the more obscure elements would be great. I've played on and off since launch, my highest character is lvl 36 (I play slowly with lots of alts intentionally SMILEY

)....and I only learned how to place a broker cabinet last week, reading the forums. And I've had the vet reward cabinet for months, heh.

Kenazeer · 08-27-2007, 06:20 PM

Rijacki wrote:

After some brainstorming in the Tradeskill forum a week or so ago, we put the idea into a post in the Items forum: http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=378167. We think it would be a good idea to have a "starter crate" as part of the buying your first house tutorial. So... great minds think alike? or something like that...

Good to hear Rijacki. Thank you for posting that link.

As to the second part, I will agree if you will.

And thanks everyone for the feedback!

08-23-2007, 02:09 PM	#1
Kenazeer Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,178	I take pride in the fact that I help as many new players as I can. Sometimes this is just answering questions in chat, other times it is providing "care packages" and a bit of advice. Many times my care packages will come with a salesmans crate and a bit of advice on the market. As a veteran player, I see market savvy as being integral to getting new players to enjoy the game and stick with it. I was wondering if people thought it might be a good idea to provide a lore/no trade salesmans crate (say a 10 slot) to new players through the "housing" quest. Examining this crate would then intiate a quest that would explain putting the crate in the market board and placing it in their house. Positives, negatives, and thoughts? __________________ Come play EQ2...we have SOEmote, Dungeon Finder, and Dungeon Maker.

08-23-2007, 02:13 PM	#2
Orsham Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Yorkshire, England Posts: 90	Maybe. I don't know anything about salesman's crates myself. I'm selling stuff from Elm boxes, is this wrong? __________________

08-23-2007, 02:21 PM	#4
Orsham Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Yorkshire, England Posts: 90	Oh, that's how you sell from your house without commission. I haven't got around to looking into that yet. So, yes, the OP's idea does sound good. __________________

08-25-2007, 06:19 PM	#5
MacKay Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 16	I can count on the thumbs of one hand the number of "good additions to the game" that I've thought worthwhile. Most tend to be of the "It'll help ME, so let's add it" variety.This idea, on the other hand, is excellent. Well thought, I say. __________________ MacKay Player of dozens of characters that no-one has ever heard of since 1999

08-26-2007, 07:23 AM	#6
Femke Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 480	Treggar@Guk wrote: Yeah, it means that people can't buy directly from your house. They have to pay the broker commission and alot of people don't like doing that. On the other side, a lot of people are also to lazy to visit someone's house in another part of town (or even further). When it saves them really some gold-pieces, then maybe.... and just maybe.And yes, I am one of those lazy people... I never visited a vendors home.I like the idea from the OP BTW.Femke.

08-23-2007, 02:15 PM	#3
Treggar Server: Guk Guild: Troops of Doom Rank: Sub 85/Raid Alt Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 21	Yeah, it means that people can't buy directly from your house. They have to pay the broker commission and alot of people don't like doing that.

08-26-2007, 07:53 AM	#7
kaokhaai Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 64	IMO salesman's crates are a luxury item, not a necessity. By the time you're selling items that are expensive enough that the buyer wants to avoid the broker fee, you should be able to afford a salesman's crate. IMO carpenters need to be the ones supplying the salesmans crates. I would like to see better tutorials in-game though, a lot of things are just un-intuitive in this game. Especially the tradeskill process but I see that is being looked into by DominoDev now.

08-26-2007, 08:45 AM	#8
Ansek Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 200	I'm in two minds about this. I like the idea that new players are helped - because the broker system isn't the most intuitive in the world. But on the other hand, my carpenter cost a LOT of money to level and the only thing he can habitually sell is salesman crates and storage boxes. Sure some of the high end rare furniture sells, due to the status reductions, but the majority of his sales comes from storage. The trouble is, people don't upgrade their storage like they do their armour, or buy storage on a regular basis like food, totems, arrows and spell upgrades. People tend to buy the biggest they can afford and only upgrade when they really have to. My provisioner, tailor, jeweller and woodworker are all self funded - and even turn around a nice bit of profit - but my carpenter isn't. To keep from removing carpenters' main market, they'd have to make the free crate something pretty useless like a 10 slot, which would kinda defeat the object.

08-26-2007, 09:58 AM	#9
kaokhaai Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 64	I also find that the fir salesman's crates sell better than the oak or higher ones (due to price), so it looks like a lot of people are happy with just one fir crate to sell out of, and don't need a lot more. That's a pretty meager market for carpenters allready.

08-26-2007, 11:15 AM	#10
Ardnahoy Server: The Bazaar Guild: Universal Alliance Rank: Guild Leader Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 65	This is a great suggestion.

08-26-2007, 11:21 AM	#11
Rijacki Tester Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,842	After some brainstorming in the Tradeskill forum a week or so ago, we put the idea into a post in the Items forum: http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=378167. We think it would be a good idea to have a "starter crate" as part of the buying your first house tutorial. So... great minds think alike? or something like that... __________________

08-26-2007, 01:09 PM	#12
TniEradani Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 356	I think this is a wonderful idea. 10-slots is big enough to benefit a new player and not so big that it would infringe on carpenter's markets. The tutorial quest is fantastic too. Starting out selling stuff is really hard to figure out and a lengthy and hard to follow conversation on chat every time the question is asked. Make the box the quest reward. As for whether or not you visit someone's house to buy stuff - that's kind of irrelevant to teaching new players how to play and letting them know that they could visit someone's house to buy stuff if they wanted to.

08-26-2007, 02:43 PM	#13
melaine_dvarvensplitter Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 671	As the owner of many alts, and rerolling I would love to see a 10-14 slot no-trade, lore salesman crate from a quest. Perhaps tie it in with crafting? This way it will aslo introduce them into crafting as well as get a nifty sales box.

08-27-2007, 05:38 PM	#14
Shompta Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 29	A simple quest that introduces and explains the broker system and offers a 10 slot crate sounds nice to me. Learning how to use the brokers is really important for new players.

08-27-2007, 05:44 PM	#15
Bloodfa Server: Nagafen General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,873	Great idea. Two thumbs up. __________________

08-27-2007, 06:00 PM	#16
Vith Server: Oasis Guild: Bat Country Rank: Chairman Meow Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 58	I agree a quest introducing some of the more obscure elements would be great. I've played on and off since launch, my highest character is lvl 36 (I play slowly with lots of alts intentionally )....and I only learned how to place a broker cabinet last week, reading the forums. And I've had the vet reward cabinet for months, heh.

08-27-2007, 06:20 PM	#17
Kenazeer Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,178	Rijacki wrote: After some brainstorming in the Tradeskill forum a week or so ago, we put the idea into a post in the Items forum: http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=378167. We think it would be a good idea to have a "starter crate" as part of the buying your first house tutorial. So... great minds think alike? or something like that... Good to hear Rijacki. Thank you for posting that link. As to the second part, I will agree if you will. And thanks everyone for the feedback! __________________ Come play EQ2...we have SOEmote, Dungeon Finder, and Dungeon Maker.