Transmuting grey recipes

Malteser · 08-24-2007, 05:56 AM

I've just started transmuting and got my skill up to 100 pretty quickly. I know I now have to craft adornments to get my skill up further, and have read that I can get skill-ups by crafting grey recipes - is this true? I have crafted around a dozen grey recipes with no skill-up yet. My main tradeskill is lvl 70 so most transmuting recipes are grey to me, but i'm hoping I can still make progress (albeit very slowly!) with my transmuting without having to pay a fortune for t7 powders and fragments.

Thanks

KerowynnKaotic · 08-24-2007, 06:04 AM

Can do Grey all the way for Transmuting. It's slow and very random .. but .. do-able.

pointytail · 08-24-2007, 07:24 AM

Yes, you can grind your way to a 350 Transmuter on gray recipes. It's about a 25% chance for a skill-up on gray recipes. Just make certain you are crafting the Transmuter adornments and not the Alchemist adornments as the Alchemist adornments do not count towards getting a skill-up (That is how the system is currently working, yes? Not 100% certain if that's correct or not.).

Lilj · 08-24-2007, 09:10 AM

Kretyn@Najena wrote:

Yes, you can grind your way to a 350 Transmuter on gray recipes. It's about a 25% chance for a skill-up on gray recipes. Just make certain you are crafting the Transmuter adornments and not the Alchemist adornments as the Alchemist adornments do not count towards getting a skill-up (That is how the system is currently working, yes? Not 100% certain if that's correct or not.).

Yes, this is correct. A transmuter can only level up using the transmuter recipes. Making the alchemist (or other profession) recipes for adornments will not give any skill-ups to the transmuter.edit: and it sounds to be the problem for the OP (since he/she mentions the recipes are grey because of a lvl 70 tradeskiller).

Malteser · 08-24-2007, 09:25 AM

Thanks for help guys, looks like i've been making the wrong recipes for skilling up - doh! Still, i've made some plat from the adornments I have made, so it's not all bad

Will get cracking with the transmuter recipes and cross my fingers for some skill ups.

DarrkElf · 08-26-2007, 10:08 PM

Yep - you sure can skill up transmuting on grey recipes.

It's slower, but it is the cheapest way to do it.

Devilsbane · 08-27-2007, 10:33 AM

DarrkElf wrote:

Yep - you sure can skill up transmuting on grey recipes.
It's slower, but it is the cheapest way to do it.

Well time does equal ~~money~~ plat.

Gargamel · 08-27-2007, 04:34 PM

And 'cheaper' it may be... but FAAAAR from cheap in general.

Even on grey recipies, you're talking at least 1g per breakdown.

Lets be generous and say in every 4 breakdowns you get 1 powder, so thats 4g minimum per chance at a skill up. (assuming you have plenty of lapis/coral fragments at T1/T2)

On average it'll take 4 combines to get 1 skill up, so we're talking 16g per skill up.

5 skill ups = 1 level, so around 80g per level

10 levels in a tier, so 8plat per Teir.

7 tiers in game, so at the end of the day you better have, and be willing to sped at least 56plat.

(25% chance of powder is probably a bit optimisic, and 1g per adept1 spell even a t1/t2 adept is low... 1.2 to 1.4 with broker fee is more likely IMO)

dartie · 08-27-2007, 04:43 PM

Gargamel wrote:

And 'cheaper' it may be... but FAAAAR from cheap in general.
Even on grey recipies, you're talking at least 1g per breakdown.
Lets be generous and say in every 4 breakdowns you get 1 powder, so thats 4g minimum per chance at a skill up. (assuming you have plenty of lapis/coral fragments at T1/T2)
On average it'll take 4 combines to get 1 skill up, so we're talking 16g per skill up.
5 skill ups = 1 level, so around 80g per level
10 levels in a tier, so 8plat per Teir.
7 tiers in game, so at the end of the day you better have, and be willing to sped at least 56plat.
(25% chance of powder is probably a bit optimisic, and 1g per adept1 spell even a t1/t2 adept is low... 1.2 to 1.4 with broker fee is more likely IMO)

The only part of this I'll quibble with is the implied assumption that you'll get your powders by xmuting 4 treasured items. You can save a teensy bit of cash by xmuting T1 Ad3s. The improved rare spawn rates shouldn't make harvesting loam/copper/rough lapis too terribly time consuming--but it would still be far too tedious for my taste.

I was able to find a fair bit of copper for 2-3 gp when I was skilling up my muter. (Not sure why, but lapis and solidified loam were harder to come by.) I would buy copper, make it into an Ad3, and then get either a powder or an infusion from the Ad3.

This is hardly a huge improvement on the method you suggest, but every gold piece counts when you are starting out (which I was).

DarrkElf · 08-29-2007, 01:39 AM

From levelling to a 350 transmuter I took note of what kind of percentages I had for skill ups on each con recipe.

From my experience:Grey Transmuting Recipes give approx a 23% chance to skill upGreen Transmuting Recipes give approx a 30% chance to skill upBlue Transmuting Recipes give approx a 42% chance to skill upWhite Transmuting Recipes give approx a 54% chance to skill up

The higher the level transmuter, the higher tier recipes, and therefore the more expensive the materials.

As an example, creating transmuting recipes at level 325:

Tier 1 Treasured Adorn (Grey Con)

Ulteran Powder x 1, Lapis Lazulli Fragment x 9

Market Value for materials - 10g for Ulteran Powder, 18c for Lapis Lazulli Fragment (2c each), 10g 18c total cost

This gives roughly a 23% chance of skilling up at a cost of 10g 18c

If you compare this with a white con recipe....

Tier 7 Treasured Adorn (White Con)

Illusionary Powder x 1, Lunar Fragment x 9

Market Value for materials - 45g for Illusionary Powder, 45g for Lunar Fragment (5g each), 90g total cost

This gives roughly a 54% chance of skilling up at a cost of 90g

Following this, if I create 20 recipes I'm looking at:

T1 - 20x Grey Con Recipes

Cost: 2p 3s 60c

Skillups: 5

T7 - 20x White Con Recipes

Cost: 18p

Skillups: 11

Grey con recipes are by far the cheapest way to level transmuting, however no matter what option you choose to take transmuting still costs you A LOT of plat. Personally I think the only time it's worth levelling a transmuter is if you are doing it to help out your guild. Way to expensive to just level for the heck of it.

08-24-2007, 06:04 AM	#2
KerowynnKaotic Tormentor of Fae Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Middle of Nowhere, Arizona Posts: 1,862	Can do Grey all the way for Transmuting. It's slow and very random .. but .. do-able. __________________

08-24-2007, 07:24 AM	#3
pointytail Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 145	Yes, you can grind your way to a 350 Transmuter on gray recipes. It's about a 25% chance for a skill-up on gray recipes. Just make certain you are crafting the Transmuter adornments and not the Alchemist adornments as the Alchemist adornments do not count towards getting a skill-up (That is how the system is currently working, yes? Not 100% certain if that's correct or not.). __________________ - Kretyn, Kshif, Keljit, Spiketail, and Blightedleaf of Chosen Heroes - Najena - ~ Choices. There is always a price to pay no matter what the result is. ~* This message brought to you by the Choices Have Consequences* Council and boredom.

08-24-2007, 09:10 AM	#4
Lilj General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 766	Kretyn@Najena wrote: Yes, you can grind your way to a 350 Transmuter on gray recipes. It's about a 25% chance for a skill-up on gray recipes. Just make certain you are crafting the Transmuter adornments and not the Alchemist adornments as the Alchemist adornments do not count towards getting a skill-up (That is how the system is currently working, yes? Not 100% certain if that's correct or not.). Yes, this is correct. A transmuter can only level up using the transmuter recipes. Making the alchemist (or other profession) recipes for adornments will not give any skill-ups to the transmuter.edit: and it sounds to be the problem for the OP (since he/she mentions the recipes are grey because of a lvl 70 tradeskiller). __________________

08-27-2007, 10:33 AM	#7
Devilsbane Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 583	DarrkElf wrote: Yep - you sure can skill up transmuting on grey recipes. It's slower, but it is the cheapest way to do it. Well time does equal ~~money~~ plat. __________________

08-27-2007, 04:34 PM	#8
Gargamel Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 708	And 'cheaper' it may be... but FAAAAR from cheap in general. Even on grey recipies, you're talking at least 1g per breakdown. Lets be generous and say in every 4 breakdowns you get 1 powder, so thats 4g minimum per chance at a skill up. (assuming you have plenty of lapis/coral fragments at T1/T2) On average it'll take 4 combines to get 1 skill up, so we're talking 16g per skill up. 5 skill ups = 1 level, so around 80g per level 10 levels in a tier, so 8plat per Teir. 7 tiers in game, so at the end of the day you better have, and be willing to sped at least 56plat. (25% chance of powder is probably a bit optimisic, and 1g per adept1 spell even a t1/t2 adept is low... 1.2 to 1.4 with broker fee is more likely IMO) __________________ Willlow Halfling Troubadour Carpenter Antonia Bayle EQ2 Map -- The most essential eq2 plugin EQ2LLInks -- Which mobs drop what from where Advanced Combat Tracker -- The best combat parser and tracker (NOTE: All of the above are approved and sactioned for use by SoE and do not violate the Terms of Service in any way, so use 'em!) .

08-24-2007, 05:56 AM	#1
Malteser Server: Nagafen Guild: Apollo Rank: Dark Lord Of Apollo Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22	I've just started transmuting and got my skill up to 100 pretty quickly. I know I now have to craft adornments to get my skill up further, and have read that I can get skill-ups by crafting grey recipes - is this true? I have crafted around a dozen grey recipes with no skill-up yet. My main tradeskill is lvl 70 so most transmuting recipes are grey to me, but i'm hoping I can still make progress (albeit very slowly!) with my transmuting without having to pay a fortune for t7 powders and fragments. Thanks

08-24-2007, 09:25 AM	#5
Malteser Server: Nagafen Guild: Apollo Rank: Dark Lord Of Apollo Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22	Thanks for help guys, looks like i've been making the wrong recipes for skilling up - doh! Still, i've made some plat from the adornments I have made, so it's not all bad Will get cracking with the transmuter recipes and cross my fingers for some skill ups.

08-26-2007, 10:08 PM	#6
DarrkElf Lord Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 196	Yep - you sure can skill up transmuting on grey recipes. It's slower, but it is the cheapest way to do it.

08-27-2007, 04:43 PM	#9
dartie Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 354	Gargamel wrote: And 'cheaper' it may be... but FAAAAR from cheap in general. Even on grey recipies, you're talking at least 1g per breakdown. Lets be generous and say in every 4 breakdowns you get 1 powder, so thats 4g minimum per chance at a skill up. (assuming you have plenty of lapis/coral fragments at T1/T2) On average it'll take 4 combines to get 1 skill up, so we're talking 16g per skill up. 5 skill ups = 1 level, so around 80g per level 10 levels in a tier, so 8plat per Teir. 7 tiers in game, so at the end of the day you better have, and be willing to sped at least 56plat. (25% chance of powder is probably a bit optimisic, and 1g per adept1 spell even a t1/t2 adept is low... 1.2 to 1.4 with broker fee is more likely IMO) The only part of this I'll quibble with is the implied assumption that you'll get your powders by xmuting 4 treasured items. You can save a teensy bit of cash by xmuting T1 Ad3s. The improved rare spawn rates shouldn't make harvesting loam/copper/rough lapis too terribly time consuming--but it would still be far too tedious for my taste. I was able to find a fair bit of copper for 2-3 gp when I was skilling up my muter. (Not sure why, but lapis and solidified loam were harder to come by.) I would buy copper, make it into an Ad3, and then get either a powder or an infusion from the Ad3. This is hardly a huge improvement on the method you suggest, but every gold piece counts when you are starting out (which I was).

08-29-2007, 01:39 AM	#10
DarrkElf Lord Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 196	From levelling to a 350 transmuter I took note of what kind of percentages I had for skill ups on each con recipe. From my experience:Grey Transmuting Recipes give approx a 23% chance to skill upGreen Transmuting Recipes give approx a 30% chance to skill upBlue Transmuting Recipes give approx a 42% chance to skill upWhite Transmuting Recipes give approx a 54% chance to skill up The higher the level transmuter, the higher tier recipes, and therefore the more expensive the materials. As an example, creating transmuting recipes at level 325: Tier 1 Treasured Adorn (Grey Con) Ulteran Powder x 1, Lapis Lazulli Fragment x 9 Market Value for materials - 10g for Ulteran Powder, 18c for Lapis Lazulli Fragment (2c each), 10g 18c total cost This gives roughly a 23% chance of skilling up at a cost of 10g 18c If you compare this with a white con recipe.... Tier 7 Treasured Adorn (White Con) Illusionary Powder x 1, Lunar Fragment x 9 Market Value for materials - 45g for Illusionary Powder, 45g for Lunar Fragment (5g each), 90g total cost This gives roughly a 54% chance of skilling up at a cost of 90g Following this, if I create 20 recipes I'm looking at: T1 - 20x Grey Con Recipes Cost: 2p 3s 60c Skillups: 5 T7 - 20x White Con Recipes Cost: 18p Skillups: 11 Grey con recipes are by far the cheapest way to level transmuting, however no matter what option you choose to take transmuting still costs you A LOT of plat. Personally I think the only time it's worth levelling a transmuter is if you are doing it to help out your guild. Way to expensive to just level for the heck of it.