Has anyone else noticed mana consumption shot up ?

[Spakka]

Lvl 67 nec here,  am I imagining things ?  It seems to me that since GU37 my mana consumption has really gone up, I never used to get much of a hit to my mana, to the point I never really need drink and even on raids I almost never had to worry about power.   However, for the last few days, running OOB and CoV in a full group as usual my mana has been almost drained by the time I am halfway through the zone.   I have not made any equipment changes and although I used the GU37 AA respec option to spec out of Wis summoner tree into Necro gravecalling that should not affect power usage of spells ?  I am aware the recast on some pet summon spell drops with gravecalling, but I only use one dumbfire pet per trash mob in OOB/CoV anyway so that isn't an answer. My pet mana consumption is unchanged. Anyone else noticed this ?  Maybe I am just chain-casting my spells more efficiently or something.

[Supp]

Ive absolutely noticed it. I've actually had to start hitting pet manatap. Ive havent tried to trace it down yet, but something is definitely wrong. Perhaps Archlich is bugged.

[Spakka]

Good to see I wasn't imagining things ! Nice suggestion Supple, but I don't have archlich yet - I am only 67, maybe the whole lich line is bugged/nerfed. I REALLY hope this isn't another stealth nerf, like the change to Abate Life.

[Sabutai]

Lich is working fine, I haven't noticed any problems whatsoever.  Was able to keep blood pact up and continue casting for signifcant periods of time during raids yesterday.

[simpwrx02]

oh nooess a mage that has power issues  say it isnt so.

[Spakka]

simpwrx02 I assume you were trying to be amusing, but the simple fact is I have never had power issues, as I stated before I never even normally bother with drink at all. Sabutai you were probably Raid buffed with all sorts of regens, I am talking about normal grouping that I have been doing every day for the last 2 weeks trying to get my set piece boots and forearms.  To me it is noticeable that in the last 2 days in the same dungeons with a group of 6 my power is being consumed at a far greater rate. Now its possible I was still getting buffed by other classes and not realising it, but before I can eliminate that I asked here for helpful suggestions.  At least one other person has noticed this high mana consumption in non-raid play.

[Davngr1]

 yes lich took a hit( almost unnoticeable for me). but necros have ben taking hits for a long long time you have to adjust your play style and hope SoE balances waht they took out some other way be it equipment what ever.  the fabled necro gear has a life tap reduced mana consumption ability and it really had no use for necros but now it does  .  same with the tainted heals and new sta line basicly soe breaks the mechanisims and makes it so you need the new gear/AA  to return to a balanced state. if you plan to continue playing a summoner for any given time you wll have to learn to adjust to all these changes.

[Davngr1]

simpwrx02 wrote:

oh nooess a mage that has power issues  say it isnt so.

even if the nerf archlich by 50% we wont have the mana problems that other mages have coz if guess who has priority to get a heart me or the wizard?  

[KBern]

I have only really played once since the patch...and did not see a change, but I was raiding and had a troub in my group.

If they did make a change, I doubt it was purposeful.  They usually do tell us about huge changes that we are bound to notice if they meant to do it.

I mean, we would notice a change to lich much quicker than the ratio change to lifeburn.

It is not like they are unaccustomed to giving bad news.

I will try to pay attention tonight, but I mainly if not solely play my necro in raids.

[Naughtesn]

I have not noticed anything either - but only in raid situation.  I have experimented with BP and only have power issues with this on. Will try to group sometime soon to see... And to the person who said they usually notify us of all changes...HAHAHAHA.....

[KBern]

I clearly said "huge changes" which a change to lich would be.  Many times people find things they inadvertantly change and they fix it.

[Sabutai]

Davngr1 wrote:

 yes lich took a hit( almost unnoticeable for me). but necros have ben taking hits for a long long time you have to adjust your play style and hope SoE balances waht they took out some other way be it equipment what ever.  the fabled necro gear has a life tap reduced mana consumption ability and it really had no use for necros but now it does  .  same with the tainted heals and new sta line basicly soe breaks the mechanisims and makes it so you need the new gear/AA  to return to a balanced state. if you plan to continue playing a summoner for any given time you wll have to learn to adjust to all these changes.

exactly what part of lich 'took a hit'  Works exactly like it did before. Granted I had regen from a bard in raids but I haven't noticed anything different than before.  If such a 'huge hit' occurred you would notice it in both situations.  Like I posted earlier I was able to keep blood pact up for an entire 5 min fight without much of a problem, so I don't know what all this talk about stealth nerf is coming from.  Lich still regens at 1.6% a tick, I am still averaging around 400 in dmg per hit.  Nothing has changed.

[KBern]

I was in EH last night and paid very close attention to this.

Did not notice one thing different.  Raid setting or not...I would have noticed if there was some change in mana consumption if there was anything different...it is all relative. 

I am not sure what you are seeing.

[Davngr1]

i mostly ben soloing the last couple of months and have noticed my mana runing slightly lower than it did before the patch. nothing major. what i meant by *took a hit* was that it might have ben regulated because of the changes to blood pact? or the fabled class gear abate life bonus?  only reason i said anything is because i read this post. really not a big dea.  bigger deal is how my abate life is suppose to hit 1672 or waht ever and i keep seen 1300 and 1100 hundred hits on my parse [Removed for Content]?

[Boran]

Did FTH last night and noticed a huge difference in my mana consumption, thought I had accidently left blood pact running it seemed to be so bad. Also did some guild groups but never really noticed any changes there.

[Tokam]

Didn't notice any undue power consumption in EH last nigt, but for once we had an illu back in the mage group.

I died shortly after the pull on tender, was resed, got pet blood pact lich and teachings back up and was able to get back to 2kdps for the encounter without using my power book / power gloves. Would it be any help to people if i posted my act outgoings?

edit: was talking about the wrong mob....

[Crib92]

The only thing I've noticed is that I can now keep Bloodpact up for extended fights without having to try to time aoe's.  So I guess I would say I think our power consumption got better.

[Spakka]

Did anyone keep a record of the power cost of Abate Life before the patch ?  I am wondering if they increased the power cost of this (along with the removal of the damage spread). If they did that would be why my mana consumption has gone up as I use that spell whenever it is up.  Yes I did take it as my M2 option.

[Sabutai]

Spakka wrote:

Did anyone keep a record of the power cost of Abate Life before the patch ?  I am wondering if they increased the power cost of this (along with the removal of the damage spread). If they did that would be why my mana consumption has gone up as I use that spell whenever it is up.  Yes I did take it as my M2 option.

95 before and 95 after, don't know why people are seeing this phantom decrease in mana.  With some work I can keep blood pact up indefinitely and still maintain about 1500 dps so I don't know why this thread has continued as long as it has.  Power consumption has not changed.

[Boran]

Sabutai wrote:

Spakka wrote:

Did anyone keep a record of the power cost of Abate Life before the patch ?  I am wondering if they increased the power cost of this (along with the removal of the damage spread). If they did that would be why my mana consumption has gone up as I use that spell whenever it is up.  Yes I did take it as my M2 option.

95 before and 95 after, don't know why people are seeing this phantom decrease in mana.  With some work I can keep blood pact up indefinitely and still maintain about 1500 dps so I don't know why this thread has continued as long as it has.  Power consumption has not changed.

I resurrected this because I noticed a huge change last night while raiding. I'm not trying to say we've been nerfed or that were even bugged (the fact that others are not affected would prove this is clearly not the case) but something has changed and by discussing it here I might work out what. I also know that on Friday Splitpaw got hotfixed so wondered if any other SP nec's have noticed a difference? It's not the first time the wrong bit of code has been accidently introduced.

[gr8scott]

I have had mana regen drop dramatically twice over the past couple of weeks.  However, there were two very good reasons for this.  Before you cry nerf, make sure:

-Your armor has not gotten to 0% (3k mana vs 6k mana makes Lich a lot worse!)

-Your archlich has not accidentally been dispelled (due to low health/debuffs/etc)

 Aside from these two instances, I haven't seen any change in mana regen...

GS

[DeathRider69]

Well my Necro gets a lot of play both in raids and groups.  I have not noticed and issue with mana, but have not really been looking.  Tonight I was running in CT with 2 level 50s (tank and mystic) with my 70 Necro.  The only time I had any issue with power was when I pulled 4 groups at once and was having to fight for our lives.  The mystic and tank were both out of power and slamming their mana regen potions (did not have their manastones yet) and still were empty. I was at about 55% at this point and never had to hit the pet for power.  Of course most of my high-int gear has in-combat regen on it (god-king weapon, etc) so maybe that is it. The only time I have noted a quicker power loss is from when I have an Inquistor in the group and they have that buff that sucks power off of me.  But even then I rarely have any power issues.  Even fighting the crab in Shin I usually have plenty of power or it quickly builds right back up.  I hardly even have to hit the pet then.  I cannot even recall the last time I have had to hit a shard outside of Acadechism and the mana thirsters. I don't think the logs keep power info but you could look at your necro's power before a fight and then immediately after one.  Hit the parser and see what all you cast during the fight and add up the power for each cast over the time.  Do this enough times and theoretically you should have a total amount of power used, time of the encounter, and end power.   It should be something like this (note I am a bit tired and baby is not sleeping well, so it may also not be like this...) Power total: 7500 Power Used on Spells: 4800 End Power: 3600 Fight Time: 21 secs So at the end of the fight used power from all spells was 4800 so 2700 should be remaining. but 3100 was remaining.  Thus 900 mana was regen during the 21 seconds of the fight.  I/e about 48 power regen per second.  So if I have 18 from in combat power regen, then 30 is from some other amount.  I do not know what defaults are for the in combat, but do enough data collction and you should be able to verify your assumptions.  Just turn off lich, do some runs, and then turn i on and do them again.  Same with all fo the buffs. As others have said, some have seen problems and others, like myself, have not.  All you can do is test it out to see what you find.  If you do find a proble, bug it as well as post the results here.  You may be lucky enough that SOE might be nice eonough to fix it.

[Davngr1]

Boran wrote:

Sabutai wrote:

Spakka wrote:

Did anyone keep a record of the power cost of Abate Life before the patch ?  I am wondering if they increased the power cost of this (along with the removal of the damage spread). If they did that would be why my mana consumption has gone up as I use that spell whenever it is up.  Yes I did take it as my M2 option.

95 before and 95 after, don't know why people are seeing this phantom decrease in mana.  With some work I can keep blood pact up indefinitely and still maintain about 1500 dps so I don't know why this thread has continued as long as it has.  Power consumption has not changed.

I resurrected this because I noticed a huge change last night while raiding. I'm not trying to say we've been nerfed or that were even bugged (the fact that others are not affected would prove this is clearly not the case) but something has changed and by discussing it here I might work out what. I also know that on Friday Splitpaw got hotfixed so wondered if any other SP nec's have noticed a difference? It's not the first time the wrong bit of code has been accidently introduced.

if you saw a "huge" change in mana consumption it's something out side your own buffs/gear, probly someone in your group was slaking or you got shot with mana drain from an unlikely source...    i ben soloing the same instances for like year or two (yes boring)  and i scream thru them as fast as i can i konw when i need to stop for mana (yes even with 1.6 regen) and after the patch my mana consumption was slightly higher than before.  i cant say what it is/was that was "regualted" but the fact that abate life was changed makes me think it was in reagrds to that.    i dont konw if how long you guys have ben playing but it's not the first time out mana consumption has be adjusted. archlich is the best spell in the game imo so yea expect nerfing to happen there. why else would they offer a fabled gear bonus of less mana consumption to our main nuke?

[Darkevileyes]

it is always buged or nerf after LU .

rebuff , relog or re-equip u r effect gear to solve it.

and i think SOE done some mana consumption count on all class.

before raiding on nm open lich and dps on, i only used 20% mana or less . now become to used 50 % or more.

i think that is just road to lv80 exp. make new item seem uber , to nerf uber old skill/spell/gear is the only way.

before EoF release , Pet is so powerful for us , then ? Pet status share to EoF AA skill .....

This is the rule. 

[KBern]

I looked again last night.  Up until the Mayong fight which has a power drain AoE...I was never low on mana and there was no change.

So if there is an issue...it seems to be isolated to some people and not others.

[Naughtesn]

I noticed my mana was going down a bit faster than normal on Sarik last night - but nothing I'd cry nerf over.

[XAvengerX]

Havent noticed anything.

I can still cast pretty much indefinately with Lich/Archlich up and the occasional power management skill (heart/pet tap).

[Supp]

During the first few days after LU37, I had serious power problems on my necro. I had the 3 set fabled bonus before that update.

Lately however, things don't seem quite as bad. It still seems my power consumption is higher than it used to be, but still within an acceptable range for raiding.

Mainly, when I get rezzed, my power doesnt go back up to 100% unless I ease off the spell casts for a while. It used to shoot up no matter what I did. So I have to be mindful of it now. But like I said, it wasn't bad like it was in the first few days.