Side effect of harvesting change

ZeyGnome · 07-22-2007, 09:44 AM

Harvesting and Adornment application will be immediately interrupted by taking any damage.

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Focus is no longer checked when harvesting. If a mob dots you and it's a long acting dot, you cannot continue harvesting or collecting until it is cured or wears off. Even if you don't take damage (as in a root) it will interrupt when it wears off.

Verky · 07-22-2007, 10:09 AM

This seems like a very lame change.

Mystfit · 07-22-2007, 11:49 AM

Sorry if I miss the point, but I've never **survived** a mob assualt when harvesting (in that I've never managed to collect hatever I'm collecting once I"m noticed by a mob). Hence, having me stand over the node, "trying" to continue to harvest when I knooooow it's jsut gonna fail is a second of my life I"ll never get back SMILEY

So, if this means, I'll immediately stop and can go after the mob who is in my way, that's cool with me.

EvilIguana9 · 07-22-2007, 01:23 PM

The correct change should have been to reverse the change that makes harvesting in combat impossible. There is really no reason why you shouldn't be able to do so. Changes like this, while only a minor addition to the existing hindrance, make me wonder just what the ultimate goal is.

ZeyGnome · 07-22-2007, 03:23 PM

Mystfit wrote:

Sorry if I miss the point, but I've never **survived** a mob assualt when harvesting (in that I've never managed to collect hatever I'm collecting once I"m noticed by a mob). Hence, having me stand over the node, "trying" to continue to harvest when I knooooow it's jsut gonna fail is a second of my life I"ll never get back So, if this means, I'll immediately stop and can go after the mob who is in my way, that's cool with me.

No, this isn't about actually finishing the collection while being attacked, this is about not being able to harvest after you killed the mob because the dot or root effect is still on you.

You now have to wait (or cure) whatever effect is on you because each time it procs you are instantly interrupted.

otlg · 07-22-2007, 03:27 PM

ZeyGnome wrote:

Harvesting and Adornment application will be immediately interrupted by taking any damage.
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Focus is no longer checked when harvesting. If a mob dots you and it's a long acting dot, you cannot continue harvesting or collecting until it is cured or wears off. Even if you don't take damage (as in a root) it will interrupt when it wears off.

Another stupid pointless, waste of time change from Sony. The initial can't harvest while being attacked change is stupid too. If a 4 year old kid is punching my thigh while I weed the garden I can chose to ignore them.. it should be the same in the game.. you should be able to CHOSE [Removed for Content] your character does.

Kizee · 07-22-2007, 04:13 PM

I have an idea.... don't get agro while you harvest.

ZeyGnome · 07-22-2007, 05:22 PM

Kizee wrote:

I have an idea.... don't get agro while you harvest.

I have an idea too . . Don't post unless you have something of value to contribute.

Armawk · 07-22-2007, 06:00 PM

Ive got something of value. Its appropriate and in fact perfect that you cannot harvest/collect/gather while in combat. Partly because its just daft to suggest you can just go ahead mine for something while being hit with a sword, and additionally because those actions are used in many places in the game other than wandering harvesting. Quests require one to gather items in dangerous areas, there are shinys in areas where a group has mobs to fight, and people being able to do those things while a fight goes on involving them allows silly exploits like gathering all the quest items while taking hits and then running off the aggro, thus doing the quest without doing the quest.

ZeyGnome · 07-22-2007, 06:19 PM

Has anyone actually read what I posted?

I want someone to quote exactly where I said that I was talking about harvesting/collecting while in combat.

tracheaspider · 07-22-2007, 07:26 PM

ZeyGnome wrote:

Has anyone actually read what I posted?
(snip)

Try insulting them first.

Hello, stupid morons. *flashy light* This is NOT about harvesting in combat. *flashy light* It's about being interrupted by effects left on you like DOTs or roots that might remain after combat is OVER, and DONE WITH, and FINISHED and you are NO LONGER FIGHTING and you DON'T HAVE AGGRO. If you are too stupid to get it, then go comb your mole hairs and let smarter people discuss it.

That get through?

And I agree that if this change goes in unaltered, it will be incredibly annoying. I got my zerker's focus maxed by harvesting in Bonemire with all the dang DOTs that the mobs leave on you after you clear your way to a node. A zerker with maxed focus! That should tell the rest of you how often someone who goes harvesting even a little will run into problems. (Not to mention, there's usually a plat farmer or two who will be happy to take advantage of any mob clearing you did while you're incapacitated by the interrupts.)

Vonotar · 07-22-2007, 07:30 PM

ZeyGnome wrote:

Has anyone actually read what I posted?
I want someone to quote exactly where I said that I was talking about harvesting/collecting while in combat.

Nowhere, people just like to half-read threads and then diss the OP without having any idea what the thread is really about. I agree that being unable to harvest due to a residual (and wearing off) spell cast by a mob (that is now dead) is just stupid. What next? mailbox shutting everytime a residual trauma kicks, or even falling off griffons because you took 'damage'. This change effectively means you shouldn't bother trying to harvest in a zone unless the content is grey to you.

Snowdonia · 07-22-2007, 07:53 PM

Well, I don't like that one bit! FORCING a player to wait countless moments until an adverse effect wears off in order to harvest is adding yet another layer of tedium to an already tedious task. While the change was meant to be a good one (IE allowing a player not to have to wait for the harvesting bar to finish before being able to attack an agroing mob) this side effect is not acceptable AT ALL. I hope they see this and tweak it or just forget about it.

Finora · 07-22-2007, 08:35 PM

It's a pointless change even if it had 'good intentions'.

You already don't HAVE to wait for the bar to clear to attack something that attacks you. You can stop harvesting just like you can stop a spell/combat art, then turn around and beat on the mob. Then you are free to go back to harvesting, no muss, little fuss.

Autenil · 07-22-2007, 08:54 PM

ZeyGnome wrote:

Harvesting and Adornment application will be immediately interrupted by taking any damage.
-------------------------
Focus is no longer checked when harvesting. If a mob dots you and it's a long acting dot, you cannot continue harvesting or collecting until it is cured or wears off. Even if you don't take damage (as in a root) it will interrupt when it wears off.

Thanks for catching that. I just checked in a change that will cause damage to immediately interrupt you only when any player/creature is trying to fight you. When the attacker is dead, normal interruption rules will apply. Look for the fix to show up on Test server in one of the next few updates.

ZeyGnome · 07-23-2007, 12:49 AM

You're da boss!

Thanks!

LaurnaRose Fauldorn · 07-23-2007, 02:41 AM

Snowdonia@Runnyeye wrote:

Well, I don't like that one bit! FORCING a player to wait countless moments until an adverse effect wears off in order to harvest is adding yet another layer of tedium to an already tedious task. While the change was meant to be a good one (IE allowing a player not to have to wait for the harvesting bar to finish before being able to attack an agroing mob) this side effect is not acceptable AT ALL. I hope they see this and tweak it or just forget about it.

OMG people ... did anyone even think to consider the fact that they can use potions to cure DoTs? I mean, beside the fact that they just mentioned they are fixing this ... I seriously cannot believe you (not you speifically snowdonia and im sorry to use you as the example here) are all getting so worked up over this like having to pay an alchemist for a set of cure potions is too much to ask of you. I swear I thought WoW was owned by Blizzard and not SOE ... I must have happened onto the wrong forums.

MrWolfie · 07-23-2007, 09:11 AM

Personally, I want to see a return to harvesting irrespective of mob aggro.

Harvesting can be interrupted by moving, or jumping, anyway; so this is a modification which wasn't needed. Whereas, imo, allowing classes who can take a few hits to *choose* to grab an item in spite of the attentions of mobs would have been a better change.

Snowdonia · 07-23-2007, 11:35 AM

Anobabylon@Befallen wrote:

OMG people ... did anyone even think to consider the fact that they can use potions to cure DoTs? I mean, beside the fact that they just mentioned they are fixing this ... I seriously cannot believe you (not you speifically snowdonia and im sorry to use you as the example here) are all getting so worked up over this like having to pay an alchemist for a set of cure potions is too much to ask of you. I swear I thought WoW was owned by Blizzard and not SOE ... I must have happened onto the wrong forums.

It is too much to ask and I'll tell you why... This change was unnecessary as far as I can see. Unless a Dev can come in and give us a real reasonable reason why this change was made, I can't see what the purpose of it was other than the one I stated which IMO was less of a problem than the problem "fixing" it resulted in. Harvesting is tedium, plain and simple. Any move to make that tedium increase, whether it's by a flaw in a fix such as this or the resultant consequences of leaving that flaw in forcing players to seek a work around, is an unnecessary wrong move. Had ZeyGnome not brought this to the attention of the Devs here in the Testing Feedback forum, they would not have known about flaw in the fix and would not have acted to fix it much less before it got pushed live. See, that's what this forum is for, for FEEDBACK on mechanics put on Test to be tested and debugged. It is not, however, for people to come here and berate, insult, and belittle the efforts of those who play on test or the players opinions on any such issue brought to light by them. Don't agree, cool. Say why you like the change the way it is, and leave your insults at the door. Want to counter an opinion, fine. Debate your side against them and again, leave your insults at the door. While I didn't take your use of an example of me personally, I did feel the need to address you in kind, so please, take no personal offense from it. I am a firm believer in constructive criticism and debate and do my best not to insult others for their efforts or opinions as I find it far more helpful than the latter. I do take exception to someone having a go at a Test server resident for doing what they are meant to do; report flaws in patched fixes. I'd hate to think of the amount of unnecessary bugs and flaws that would go in if it wasn't for the efforts of people like ZeyGnome.

Oakum · 07-23-2007, 02:27 PM

So does this mean I can root a mob and harvest?

Going to have to check it on test when I get home obviously. I never understood why a pet class could harvest fine with their pet fighting but I can't root a non ranged/spell casting mob or even a caster/ranged mob and at least attempt to harvest too. The "situation" is the same. The mob is not hitting the person rooting, just like the pet class is not getting hit.

Of course if that isnt the case then maybe a persons pet being targeted/having aggro should also be used when it comes to deciding if a player can harvest or not. Seems fair to me.

Course my wife would box my ears since she likes to use her conjy for harvesting T7 just because she can get arouond the no harvesting while a player is fighting that all the other classes have to put up with.

Maroger · 07-23-2007, 02:55 PM

MrWolfie wrote:

Personally, I want to see a return to harvesting irrespective of mob aggro.
Harvesting can be interrupted by moving, or jumping, anyway; so this is a modification which wasn't needed. Whereas, imo, allowing classes who can take a few hits to *choose* to grab an item in spite of the attentions of mobs would have been a better change.

I would agree. This is a very negative change to harvesting which is hardly a "fun" acitivity.

KBern · 07-23-2007, 03:37 PM

EvilIguana966 wrote:

The correct change should have been to reverse the change that makes harvesting in combat impossible. There is really no reason why you shouldn't be able to do so. Changes like this, while only a minor addition to the existing hindrance, make me wonder just what the ultimate goal is.

I am a necro who is not even affected by this and I fully agree. I do not see the logic of not allowing harvesting when engaged or being engaged.

If you can stand there and your focus lets you harvest, you have enough HPs, and want to continue, who cares?

Revert it back SOE or at least explain why it was ever changed.

Mystfit · 07-25-2007, 03:24 PM

First of all, I was the one who originally mis-understood the **issue** at hand here and am glad the devs waded through all the brick-a-brak and got to the meat of the issue/bug and tweaked it. Be a shame if it got overlooked. I did breifly see a new career...healers follwing behind harvesters..."psst, for 5 gold I'll take that DOT offa ya...it's either that or the shiny is M I N E"

Guy De Alsace · 07-25-2007, 07:03 PM

This is a good thing for Alchemists. Now their cure potions will actually have a use. If you're a serious harvester you will want these to cure the DoT if you cant cure it yourself.

Also my Antivenin Hypo Bracer I got in Bonemire will be dusted off and carried now SMILEY

Guy De Alsace · 07-25-2007, 07:06 PM

Oakum wrote:

So does this mean I can root a mob and harvest?
Going to have to check it on test when I get home obviously. I never understood why a pet class could harvest fine with their pet fighting but I can't root a non ranged/spell casting mob or even a caster/ranged mob and at least attempt to harvest too. The "situation" is the same. The mob is not hitting the person rooting, just like the pet class is not getting hit.
Of course if that isnt the case then maybe a persons pet being targeted/having aggro should also be used when it comes to deciding if a player can harvest or not. Seems fair to me.
Course my wife would box my ears since she likes to use her conjy for harvesting T7 just because she can get arouond the no harvesting while a player is fighting that all the other classes have to put up with.

My Troubadour can also do the same thing by charming the mob, harvesting, then running off the mob when it breaks after 15.5 seconds (duration of our current charm). I used this to harvest the quest items for SoD in New Tunaria that kept popping up next to the ^^^ guardian things.

Its not just pet classes.

ZeyGnome · 07-25-2007, 10:56 PM

Confirmed.

Checked tonight and Focus does count once again when you are harvesting/collecting after a fight and are still under the effects of the prior battle.

Thanks for correcting this!

Vydar · 07-26-2007, 12:10 AM

This is a good change tbh. You can't finish the gathering anyway when attacked. And, on the pvp servers, you'll know you're being attacked while trying to harvest.

Autenil · 07-26-2007, 01:55 AM

Another side issue that came out of me poking around in the harvesting stuff (that i couldn't seem to find in the patch notes): - If your harvest target disappears while you're harvesting, you will immediately stop harvesting. Now it works like spell casting against an NPC that dies.

cr0wangel · 07-26-2007, 05:37 AM

Why we still can't harvest while attacked for the characters who can take some hits?

ZeyGnome · 07-26-2007, 09:27 AM

One change that really would be nice is that if you are attacked when harvesting, your harvest target is automatically cleared and you target the mob that hit you (like what happens when you are attacked while travelling). As it is right now, even though you immediately stop harvesting, you still have to acquire the target which usually means hitting esc and hot-keying or manually targetting the mob.

Since esc will cancel spellcasting (and harvesting) then there really is not much benefit to the overall change since you are still going through the same motions (cancelling target, retargeting as opposed to cancelling harvest, retargeting).

Not a game breaker by any means, just would be a nifty thing.

07-22-2007, 09:44 AM	#1
ZeyGnome Tester Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 267	Harvesting and Adornment application will be immediately interrupted by taking any damage. ------------------------- Focus is no longer checked when harvesting. If a mob dots you and it's a long acting dot, you cannot continue harvesting or collecting until it is cured or wears off. Even if you don't take damage (as in a root) it will interrupt when it wears off. __________________

07-22-2007, 10:09 AM	#2
Verky Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 132	This seems like a very lame change. __________________ Haly Guild Leader of Aenigma- An English speaking Eurotime Guild

07-22-2007, 11:49 AM	#3
Mystfit Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,984	Sorry if I miss the point, but I've never survived a mob assualt when harvesting (in that I've never managed to collect hatever I'm collecting once I"m noticed by a mob). Hence, having me stand over the node, "trying" to continue to harvest when I knooooow it's jsut gonna fail is a second of my life I"ll never get back So, if this means, I'll immediately stop and can go after the mob who is in my way, that's cool with me. __________________

07-22-2007, 03:23 PM	#5
ZeyGnome Tester Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 267	Mystfit wrote: Sorry if I miss the point, but I've never survived a mob assualt when harvesting (in that I've never managed to collect hatever I'm collecting once I"m noticed by a mob). Hence, having me stand over the node, "trying" to continue to harvest when I knooooow it's jsut gonna fail is a second of my life I"ll never get back So, if this means, I'll immediately stop and can go after the mob who is in my way, that's cool with me. No, this isn't about actually finishing the collection while being attacked, this is about not being able to harvest after you killed the mob because the dot or root effect is still on you. You now have to wait (or cure) whatever effect is on you because each time it procs you are instantly interrupted. __________________

07-22-2007, 03:27 PM	#6
otlg Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 110	ZeyGnome wrote: Harvesting and Adornment application will be immediately interrupted by taking any damage. ------------------------- Focus is no longer checked when harvesting. If a mob dots you and it's a long acting dot, you cannot continue harvesting or collecting until it is cured or wears off. Even if you don't take damage (as in a root) it will interrupt when it wears off. Another stupid pointless, waste of time change from Sony. The initial can't harvest while being attacked change is stupid too. If a 4 year old kid is punching my thigh while I weed the garden I can chose to ignore them.. it should be the same in the game.. you should be able to CHOSE [Removed for Content] your character does.

07-22-2007, 01:23 PM	#4
EvilIguana9 General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 477	The correct change should have been to reverse the change that makes harvesting in combat impossible. There is really no reason why you shouldn't be able to do so. Changes like this, while only a minor addition to the existing hindrance, make me wonder just what the ultimate goal is.

07-22-2007, 04:13 PM	#7
Kizee Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,093	I have an idea.... don't get agro while you harvest.

07-22-2007, 05:22 PM	#8
ZeyGnome Tester Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 267	Kizee wrote: I have an idea.... don't get agro while you harvest. I have an idea too . . Don't post unless you have something of value to contribute. __________________

07-22-2007, 06:00 PM	#9
Armawk Server: Everfrost Guild: Nos Es Rutilus Rank: Tirones Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,240	Ive got something of value. Its appropriate and in fact perfect that you cannot harvest/collect/gather while in combat. Partly because its just daft to suggest you can just go ahead mine for something while being hit with a sword, and additionally because those actions are used in many places in the game other than wandering harvesting. Quests require one to gather items in dangerous areas, there are shinys in areas where a group has mobs to fight, and people being able to do those things while a fight goes on involving them allows silly exploits like gathering all the quest items while taking hits and then running off the aggro, thus doing the quest without doing the quest.

07-22-2007, 06:19 PM	#10
ZeyGnome Tester Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 267	Has anyone actually read what I posted? I want someone to quote exactly where I said that I was talking about harvesting/collecting while in combat. __________________

07-22-2007, 07:26 PM	#11
tracheaspider Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 126	ZeyGnome wrote: Has anyone actually read what I posted? (snip) Try insulting them first. Hello, stupid morons. flashy light This is NOT about harvesting in combat. flashy light It's about being interrupted by effects left on you like DOTs or roots that might remain after combat is OVER, and DONE WITH, and FINISHED and you are NO LONGER FIGHTING and you DON'T HAVE AGGRO. If you are too stupid to get it, then go comb your mole hairs and let smarter people discuss it. That get through? And I agree that if this change goes in unaltered, it will be incredibly annoying. I got my zerker's focus maxed by harvesting in Bonemire with all the dang DOTs that the mobs leave on you after you clear your way to a node. A zerker with maxed focus! That should tell the rest of you how often someone who goes harvesting even a little will run into problems. (Not to mention, there's usually a plat farmer or two who will be happy to take advantage of any mob clearing you did while you're incapacitated by the interrupts.)

07-22-2007, 07:30 PM	#12
Vonotar Server: Butcherblock Loremaster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,697	ZeyGnome wrote: Has anyone actually read what I posted? I want someone to quote exactly where I said that I was talking about harvesting/collecting while in combat. Nowhere, people just like to half-read threads and then diss the OP without having any idea what the thread is really about. I agree that being unable to harvest due to a residual (and wearing off) spell cast by a mob (that is now dead) is just stupid. What next? mailbox shutting everytime a residual trauma kicks, or even falling off griffons because you took 'damage'. This change effectively means you shouldn't bother trying to harvest in a zone unless the content is grey to you.

07-22-2007, 07:53 PM	#13
Snowdonia Server: Runnyeye Guild: Majestic Rank: Mistress Tester Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NSW, Australia Posts: 2,212	Well, I don't like that one bit! FORCING a player to wait countless moments until an adverse effect wears off in order to harvest is adding yet another layer of tedium to an already tedious task. While the change was meant to be a good one (IE allowing a player not to have to wait for the harvesting bar to finish before being able to attack an agroing mob) this side effect is not acceptable AT ALL. I hope they see this and tweak it or just forget about it.

07-22-2007, 08:35 PM	#14
Finora Tester Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,423	It's a pointless change even if it had 'good intentions'. You already don't HAVE to wait for the bar to clear to attack something that attacks you. You can stop harvesting just like you can stop a spell/combat art, then turn around and beat on the mob. Then you are free to go back to harvesting, no muss, little fuss. __________________ Lady Finora Mystic of Prism Everfrost(Grobb) Finora of Valiant Knights Test Server

07-22-2007, 08:54 PM	#15
Autenil Developer Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 298	ZeyGnome wrote: Harvesting and Adornment application will be immediately interrupted by taking any damage. ------------------------- Focus is no longer checked when harvesting. If a mob dots you and it's a long acting dot, you cannot continue harvesting or collecting until it is cured or wears off. Even if you don't take damage (as in a root) it will interrupt when it wears off. Thanks for catching that. I just checked in a change that will cause damage to immediately interrupt you only when any player/creature is trying to fight you. When the attacker is dead, normal interruption rules will apply. Look for the fix to show up on Test server in one of the next few updates.

07-23-2007, 12:49 AM	#16
ZeyGnome Tester Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 267	You're da boss! Thanks! __________________

07-23-2007, 02:41 AM	#17
LaurnaRose Fauldorn Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 759	Snowdonia@Runnyeye wrote: Well, I don't like that one bit! FORCING a player to wait countless moments until an adverse effect wears off in order to harvest is adding yet another layer of tedium to an already tedious task. While the change was meant to be a good one (IE allowing a player not to have to wait for the harvesting bar to finish before being able to attack an agroing mob) this side effect is not acceptable AT ALL. I hope they see this and tweak it or just forget about it. OMG people ... did anyone even think to consider the fact that they can use potions to cure DoTs? I mean, beside the fact that they just mentioned they are fixing this ... I seriously cannot believe you (not you speifically snowdonia and im sorry to use you as the example here) are all getting so worked up over this like having to pay an alchemist for a set of cure potions is too much to ask of you. I swear I thought WoW was owned by Blizzard and not SOE ... I must have happened onto the wrong forums. __________________ Ahria ~ Templar/Provisioner (90) ~~~ Anobabylon ~ Warden (90) /Alchemist Anobelle ~ Coercer/Jeweler ~~~ Beah ~ Warlock/Sage Dharknehz ~ Assasin (90) /Weaponsmith ~~~ Jeffica ~ Bruiser/Tailor Laurn ~ Defiler (90) /Carpenter (90) ~~~ Psahng ~ Troubador/Woodworker Vacri ~ ShadowKnight (90) /Armorer ~~~ Xhexania ~ Necromancer/Unskilled FAYDARK --> BEFALLEN --> OASIS

07-23-2007, 09:11 AM	#18
MrWolfie Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Agent of Chaos Guildhall, North Qeynos, Splitpaw. Posts: 1,239	Personally, I want to see a return to harvesting irrespective of mob aggro. Harvesting can be interrupted by moving, or jumping, anyway; so this is a modification which wasn't needed. Whereas, imo, allowing classes who can take a few hits to choose to grab an item in spite of the attentions of mobs would have been a better change. __________________

07-23-2007, 11:35 AM	#19
Snowdonia Server: Runnyeye Guild: Majestic Rank: Mistress Tester Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NSW, Australia Posts: 2,212	Anobabylon@Befallen wrote: OMG people ... did anyone even think to consider the fact that they can use potions to cure DoTs? I mean, beside the fact that they just mentioned they are fixing this ... I seriously cannot believe you (not you speifically snowdonia and im sorry to use you as the example here) are all getting so worked up over this like having to pay an alchemist for a set of cure potions is too much to ask of you. I swear I thought WoW was owned by Blizzard and not SOE ... I must have happened onto the wrong forums. It is too much to ask and I'll tell you why... This change was unnecessary as far as I can see. Unless a Dev can come in and give us a real reasonable reason why this change was made, I can't see what the purpose of it was other than the one I stated which IMO was less of a problem than the problem "fixing" it resulted in. Harvesting is tedium, plain and simple. Any move to make that tedium increase, whether it's by a flaw in a fix such as this or the resultant consequences of leaving that flaw in forcing players to seek a work around, is an unnecessary wrong move. Had ZeyGnome not brought this to the attention of the Devs here in the Testing Feedback forum, they would not have known about flaw in the fix and would not have acted to fix it much less before it got pushed live. See, that's what this forum is for, for FEEDBACK on mechanics put on Test to be tested and debugged. It is not, however, for people to come here and berate, insult, and belittle the efforts of those who play on test or the players opinions on any such issue brought to light by them. Don't agree, cool. Say why you like the change the way it is, and leave your insults at the door. Want to counter an opinion, fine. Debate your side against them and again, leave your insults at the door. While I didn't take your use of an example of me personally, I did feel the need to address you in kind, so please, take no personal offense from it. I am a firm believer in constructive criticism and debate and do my best not to insult others for their efforts or opinions as I find it far more helpful than the latter. I do take exception to someone having a go at a Test server resident for doing what they are meant to do; report flaws in patched fixes. I'd hate to think of the amount of unnecessary bugs and flaws that would go in if it wasn't for the efforts of people like ZeyGnome.

07-23-2007, 02:27 PM	#20
Oakum Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,441	So does this mean I can root a mob and harvest? Going to have to check it on test when I get home obviously. I never understood why a pet class could harvest fine with their pet fighting but I can't root a non ranged/spell casting mob or even a caster/ranged mob and at least attempt to harvest too. The "situation" is the same. The mob is not hitting the person rooting, just like the pet class is not getting hit. Of course if that isnt the case then maybe a persons pet being targeted/having aggro should also be used when it comes to deciding if a player can harvest or not. Seems fair to me. Course my wife would box my ears since she likes to use her conjy for harvesting T7 just because she can get arouond the no harvesting while a player is fighting that all the other classes have to put up with. __________________

07-23-2007, 02:55 PM	#21
Maroger Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,313	MrWolfie wrote: Personally, I want to see a return to harvesting irrespective of mob aggro. Harvesting can be interrupted by moving, or jumping, anyway; so this is a modification which wasn't needed. Whereas, imo, allowing classes who can take a few hits to choose to grab an item in spite of the attentions of mobs would have been a better change. I would agree. This is a very negative change to harvesting which is hardly a "fun" acitivity.

07-23-2007, 03:37 PM	#22
KBern Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,372	EvilIguana966 wrote: The correct change should have been to reverse the change that makes harvesting in combat impossible. There is really no reason why you shouldn't be able to do so. Changes like this, while only a minor addition to the existing hindrance, make me wonder just what the ultimate goal is. I am a necro who is not even affected by this and I fully agree. I do not see the logic of not allowing harvesting when engaged or being engaged. If you can stand there and your focus lets you harvest, you have enough HPs, and want to continue, who cares? Revert it back SOE or at least explain why it was ever changed. __________________

07-25-2007, 03:24 PM	#23
Mystfit Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,984	First of all, I was the one who originally mis-understood the issue at hand here and am glad the devs waded through all the brick-a-brak and got to the meat of the issue/bug and tweaked it. Be a shame if it got overlooked. I did breifly see a new career...healers follwing behind harvesters..."psst, for 5 gold I'll take that DOT offa ya...it's either that or the shiny is M I N E" __________________

07-25-2007, 07:03 PM	#24
Guy De Alsace Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: England Posts: 1,902	This is a good thing for Alchemists. Now their cure potions will actually have a use. If you're a serious harvester you will want these to cure the DoT if you cant cure it yourself. Also my Antivenin Hypo Bracer I got in Bonemire will be dusted off and carried now

07-25-2007, 07:06 PM	#25
Guy De Alsace Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: England Posts: 1,902	Oakum wrote: So does this mean I can root a mob and harvest? Going to have to check it on test when I get home obviously. I never understood why a pet class could harvest fine with their pet fighting but I can't root a non ranged/spell casting mob or even a caster/ranged mob and at least attempt to harvest too. The "situation" is the same. The mob is not hitting the person rooting, just like the pet class is not getting hit. Of course if that isnt the case then maybe a persons pet being targeted/having aggro should also be used when it comes to deciding if a player can harvest or not. Seems fair to me. Course my wife would box my ears since she likes to use her conjy for harvesting T7 just because she can get arouond the no harvesting while a player is fighting that all the other classes have to put up with. My Troubadour can also do the same thing by charming the mob, harvesting, then running off the mob when it breaks after 15.5 seconds (duration of our current charm). I used this to harvest the quest items for SoD in New Tunaria that kept popping up next to the ^^^ guardian things. Its not just pet classes.

07-25-2007, 10:56 PM	#26
ZeyGnome Tester Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 267	Confirmed. Checked tonight and Focus does count once again when you are harvesting/collecting after a fight and are still under the effects of the prior battle. Thanks for correcting this! __________________

07-26-2007, 12:10 AM	#27
Vydar Server: Vox Guild: Crimson Rank: Leader Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 362	This is a good change tbh. You can't finish the gathering anyway when attacked. And, on the pvp servers, you'll know you're being attacked while trying to harvest.

07-26-2007, 01:55 AM	#28
Autenil Developer Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 298	Another side issue that came out of me poking around in the harvesting stuff (that i couldn't seem to find in the patch notes): - If your harvest target disappears while you're harvesting, you will immediately stop harvesting. Now it works like spell casting against an NPC that dies.

07-26-2007, 05:37 AM	#29
cr0wangel Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 594	Why we still can't harvest while attacked for the characters who can take some hits?

07-26-2007, 09:27 AM	#30
ZeyGnome Tester Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 267	One change that really would be nice is that if you are attacked when harvesting, your harvest target is automatically cleared and you target the mob that hit you (like what happens when you are attacked while travelling). As it is right now, even though you immediately stop harvesting, you still have to acquire the target which usually means hitting esc and hot-keying or manually targetting the mob. Since esc will cancel spellcasting (and harvesting) then there really is not much benefit to the overall change since you are still going through the same motions (cancelling target, retargeting as opposed to cancelling harvest, retargeting). Not a game breaker by any means, just would be a nifty thing. __________________