SoD Rewards for Swashies

Drayas · 07-04-2007, 05:28 PM

I don't know if this has been asked before, but I was wondering what was the more experienced Swashies opinion about what SoD reward to choose, taking into account the changes on Test, where all dw will be changed into sw.

I was also wondering what is the feeling of the community regarding the "class weapon" that will be coming up on the next expansion. Slashing as in a pirate's cutlass or piercing as in a musqueteer's rapier?

Thanks for your answers,

Sleepy, Swashie of Nektulos

Hakthaf · 07-04-2007, 08:59 PM

I personally think the rapier is a good choice from SoD cause really the sword is more made for tanks as it has the bonus to shields. When the weapons change in 37 the rapier will become a pretty nice 1h to use. Though I don't know what it looks like post conversion as it is now, it is pretty good. Also I imagine our epic weapon come expansion is going to be a cutlass/rapier weapon as that is what generally is viewed to be used by "pirate types" most likely it will be piercing as that is what most rapiers end up as *even though we dont really swing it right for it to be counted like that.

Delow · 07-05-2007, 02:21 AM

http://eq2i.com/articles/Soulfire_Gladius

http://eq2i.com/articles/Soulfire_Sabre

These show the current Sabre as it exists on Test as a 1h weapon. I'm still not sure which one to take, the Gladius has better stats with a 3s delay but the shield block is worthless to us. The sabre's stats are worse and the damage rating is lower (not much but it is). The +5 DPS mod is much better for us then the shield block but does it really matter that much? Does it make-up for the gap in stats and DR with the Gladius? I will be holding off on making a decision until after the changes are finalized and released to the live servers, who knows what they might do to the weapons before then.

Awlis · 07-05-2007, 05:58 PM

finished this quest tonight

had to cross my fingers and pick the sabre

I am really hoping I did the right thing. The isnt a decent option for onehanded scouts here atm and I can only hope the stats of the new piercer are on par with the gladius.

anyoen seen any other mod info on this? seems daft to have put in a quest reward before the dw/onehander update

Zygwen · 07-05-2007, 06:34 PM

I'm going with the gladius.

Moonlance · 07-05-2007, 11:52 PM

Higher int on the gladius means slightly more poison and proc damage, especially when your int is low. As far as the DPS versus shield block, getting DPS bonuses above 100 is not hard. As to how useful the shield block bonus will be, who knows what SOE will change in the future.

PakMonyet · 07-05-2007, 11:53 PM

With all the changes already implemented and the ones to come......sigh....its hard to keep everything organized......

so......I want the rapier 'cause of the dps boost but the question is.....

Does it satisfy the "sword" requirement on the AA Tree?

....As I understand things as they exist now, it does not.....sigh.....

but the next question is.....will this rapier satisfy the "sword" requirement when the weapon "changes" are implemented?

Like every good Swashbuckler I don't want to regret my choice considering that it takes some effort to finish all the quests.......

Anyone got the answer and willing to share with the rest of us?!

Moonlance · 07-06-2007, 12:08 AM

PakMonyet wrote:

With all the changes already implemented and the ones to come......sigh....its hard to keep everything organized......
so......I want the rapier 'cause of the dps boost but the question is.....
Does it satisfy the "sword" requirement on the AA Tree?
....As I understand things as they exist now, it does not.....sigh.....
but the next question is.....will this rapier satisfy the "sword" requirement when the weapon "changes" are implemented?
Like every good Swashbuckler I don't want to regret my choice considering that it takes some effort to finish all the quests.......
Anyone got the answer and willing to share with the rest of us?!

Weapon requirements for the Str, Agi and Int lines have been removed as of last update. You still need a shield for Sta and you still need a free off-hand for Wis.

Cocytus · 07-06-2007, 05:52 AM

After the 1h/dual wield change goes in, the Sabre will far outdo the gladius. It's going to be on-par with the Wuoshi axe, perhaps even better, given the proc. In the meantime, the gladius is indeed better, but I will be picking the sabre anyway. One, with time, it will be far better, and two, the gladius looks like [Removed for Content].

Awlis · 07-06-2007, 09:02 AM

do we have any idea when the dw changes will be taking place?

Zygwen · 07-06-2007, 05:40 PM

Cocytus wrote:

After the 1h/dual wield change goes in, the Sabre will far outdo the gladius. It's going to be on-par with the Wuoshi axe, perhaps even better, given the proc. In the meantime, the gladius is indeed better, but I will be picking the sabre anyway. One, with time, it will be far better, and two, the gladius looks like [I cannot control my vocabulary].

How do you figure that? On test Gladius has a better DR and min/max ratio and at max dps the Sabre's +5 dps has no effect.

Cocytus · 07-07-2007, 01:57 PM

Zygwen wrote:

Cocytus wrote:
After the 1h/dual wield change goes in, the Sabre will far outdo the gladius. It's going to be on-par with the Wuoshi axe, perhaps even better, given the proc. In the meantime, the gladius is indeed better, but I will be picking the sabre anyway. One, with time, it will be far better, and two, the gladius looks like [I cannot control my vocabulary].
How do you figure that? On test Gladius has a better DR and min/max ratio and at max dps the Sabre's +5 dps has no effect.

Damage rating means nothing. The max damage is far better on the sabre, not to mention more procs due to delay. It will crit more, etc etc...It's just better.

Zygwen · 07-07-2007, 03:10 PM

Well here is my prediction if they don't change the values for Soulfire Sabre on test. Graphing from 0 to 100 crit chance. Top bar is max potential. Second solid bar is expect average performance while casting CAs. Dotted line is expected performance when CA chaining and bottom line is Worst case scenario for both weapons when casting CAs.

Graphing from 0 to 125 haste. Top bar is max potential. Second solid bar is expect average performance while casting CAs. Dotted line is expected performance when CA chaining and bottom line is Worst case scenario for both weapons when casting CAs.

In the best and average case, Gladius will out perform Sabre. If you Chain CAs Sabre will beat Gladius. I even factored in the 5% dps mod.

AegisCrown · 07-08-2007, 12:07 AM

what about 100% haste with sailwind and alegro?

Zygwen · 07-08-2007, 04:42 PM

Coel@Antonia Bayle wrote:

what about 100% haste with sailwind and alegro?

I'll make the assumption that that means you are Agi Wis speced instead of Str Wis speced so you loose 13% melee crit chance. Graph 0-100 crit

Graph 0-125 haste

In this case Gladius will also perform better when CA chaining.

PakMonyet · 07-10-2007, 01:08 PM

Hey Zygwen,

Dude......you obviously have the MasterII of Weapon's Statistics.....lol......Nice!

Can you tell what the winning Lotto numbers are going to be this week?.....hehe....jk

Hormat,

- Pa'Monyet

Ookami-san · 07-11-2007, 04:41 PM

I will go with the sabre. If for no other reason than... it looks better. =)

Zygwen · 07-12-2007, 01:39 PM

Ookami-san wrote:

I will go with the sabre. If for no other reason than... it looks better. =)

Ah, the sign of a true Swashbuckler. SMILEY

Cocytus · 07-12-2007, 04:19 PM

It's true.

Although I'll say it's starting to get EXCRUCIATING, the waiting. They're pushing the dw/1h changes back *even further*. Now scheduled for update 38.... /sigh

Dak · 07-13-2007, 12:40 AM

The Gladius owns.

sifo · 07-13-2007, 04:57 PM

Hey Dakis, what is your AA build if you don't mid me asking? Thanks.

Dak · 07-14-2007, 09:58 AM

Wisdom/Agility with extra points in Freehand Reversal for more avoidance.

Wis: 44782

Agi: 46482

Dak · 07-14-2007, 09:33 PM

imo.

Tames · 07-18-2007, 04:39 AM

With the current confusion between DW and 1H rewards for those who are 1H users and tempted by the Sabre but choose the Gladius because they dont trust SOE on the DW changes I hope that SOE enables the SOD rewards to be swapped after the DW changes go in (if they ever do). SMILEY

Preferably they should make a statement on this now rather than later so people can base their reward choices on it.

07-04-2007, 05:28 PM	#1
Drayas Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 29	I don't know if this has been asked before, but I was wondering what was the more experienced Swashies opinion about what SoD reward to choose, taking into account the changes on Test, where all dw will be changed into sw. I was also wondering what is the feeling of the community regarding the "class weapon" that will be coming up on the next expansion. Slashing as in a pirate's cutlass or piercing as in a musqueteer's rapier? Thanks for your answers, Sleepy, Swashie of Nektulos __________________

07-04-2007, 08:59 PM	#2
Hakthaf Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 108	I personally think the rapier is a good choice from SoD cause really the sword is more made for tanks as it has the bonus to shields. When the weapons change in 37 the rapier will become a pretty nice 1h to use. Though I don't know what it looks like post conversion as it is now, it is pretty good. Also I imagine our epic weapon come expansion is going to be a cutlass/rapier weapon as that is what generally is viewed to be used by "pirate types" most likely it will be piercing as that is what most rapiers end up as *even though we dont really swing it right for it to be counted like that. __________________

07-05-2007, 02:21 AM	#3
Delow General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 180	http://eq2i.com/articles/Soulfire_Gladius http://eq2i.com/articles/Soulfire_Sabre These show the current Sabre as it exists on Test as a 1h weapon. I'm still not sure which one to take, the Gladius has better stats with a 3s delay but the shield block is worthless to us. The sabre's stats are worse and the damage rating is lower (not much but it is). The +5 DPS mod is much better for us then the shield block but does it really matter that much? Does it make-up for the gap in stats and DR with the Gladius? I will be holding off on making a decision until after the changes are finalized and released to the live servers, who knows what they might do to the weapons before then. __________________ Retired from a world that lost its wonder.

07-05-2007, 06:34 PM	#5
Zygwen Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 277	I'm going with the gladius. __________________ Evalin, lvl 90 Swashbuckler Joannax, lvl 90 Troubador Sacrifice Oasis

07-06-2007, 12:08 AM	#8
Moonlance Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 50	PakMonyet wrote: With all the changes already implemented and the ones to come......sigh....its hard to keep everything organized...... so......I want the rapier 'cause of the dps boost but the question is..... Does it satisfy the "sword" requirement on the AA Tree? ....As I understand things as they exist now, it does not.....sigh..... but the next question is.....will this rapier satisfy the "sword" requirement when the weapon "changes" are implemented? Like every good Swashbuckler I don't want to regret my choice considering that it takes some effort to finish all the quests....... Anyone got the answer and willing to share with the rest of us?! Weapon requirements for the Str, Agi and Int lines have been removed as of last update. You still need a shield for Sta and you still need a free off-hand for Wis.

07-05-2007, 05:58 PM	#4
Awlis Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 77	finished this quest tonight had to cross my fingers and pick the sabre I am really hoping I did the right thing. The isnt a decent option for onehanded scouts here atm and I can only hope the stats of the new piercer are on par with the gladius. anyoen seen any other mod info on this? seems daft to have put in a quest reward before the dw/onehander update

07-05-2007, 11:52 PM	#6
Moonlance Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 50	Higher int on the gladius means slightly more poison and proc damage, especially when your int is low. As far as the DPS versus shield block, getting DPS bonuses above 100 is not hard. As to how useful the shield block bonus will be, who knows what SOE will change in the future.

07-05-2007, 11:53 PM	#7
PakMonyet Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: California/England/Indonesia Posts: 225	With all the changes already implemented and the ones to come......sigh....its hard to keep everything organized...... so......I want the rapier 'cause of the dps boost but the question is..... Does it satisfy the "sword" requirement on the AA Tree? ....As I understand things as they exist now, it does not.....sigh..... but the next question is.....will this rapier satisfy the "sword" requirement when the weapon "changes" are implemented? Like every good Swashbuckler I don't want to regret my choice considering that it takes some effort to finish all the quests....... Anyone got the answer and willing to share with the rest of us?!

07-06-2007, 05:52 AM	#9
Cocytus Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,908	After the 1h/dual wield change goes in, the Sabre will far outdo the gladius. It's going to be on-par with the Wuoshi axe, perhaps even better, given the proc. In the meantime, the gladius is indeed better, but I will be picking the sabre anyway. One, with time, it will be far better, and two, the gladius looks like [Removed for Content].

07-06-2007, 09:02 AM	#10
Awlis Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 77	do we have any idea when the dw changes will be taking place?

07-06-2007, 05:40 PM	#11
Zygwen Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 277	Cocytus wrote: After the 1h/dual wield change goes in, the Sabre will far outdo the gladius. It's going to be on-par with the Wuoshi axe, perhaps even better, given the proc. In the meantime, the gladius is indeed better, but I will be picking the sabre anyway. One, with time, it will be far better, and two, the gladius looks like [I cannot control my vocabulary]. How do you figure that? On test Gladius has a better DR and min/max ratio and at max dps the Sabre's +5 dps has no effect. __________________ Evalin, lvl 90 Swashbuckler Joannax, lvl 90 Troubador Sacrifice Oasis

07-07-2007, 01:57 PM	#12
Cocytus Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,908	Zygwen wrote: Cocytus wrote: After the 1h/dual wield change goes in, the Sabre will far outdo the gladius. It's going to be on-par with the Wuoshi axe, perhaps even better, given the proc. In the meantime, the gladius is indeed better, but I will be picking the sabre anyway. One, with time, it will be far better, and two, the gladius looks like [I cannot control my vocabulary]. How do you figure that? On test Gladius has a better DR and min/max ratio and at max dps the Sabre's +5 dps has no effect. Damage rating means nothing. The max damage is far better on the sabre, not to mention more procs due to delay. It will crit more, etc etc...It's just better.

07-07-2007, 03:10 PM	#13
Zygwen Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 277	Well here is my prediction if they don't change the values for Soulfire Sabre on test. Graphing from 0 to 100 crit chance. Top bar is max potential. Second solid bar is expect average performance while casting CAs. Dotted line is expected performance when CA chaining and bottom line is Worst case scenario for both weapons when casting CAs. Graphing from 0 to 125 haste. Top bar is max potential. Second solid bar is expect average performance while casting CAs. Dotted line is expected performance when CA chaining and bottom line is Worst case scenario for both weapons when casting CAs. In the best and average case, Gladius will out perform Sabre. If you Chain CAs Sabre will beat Gladius. I even factored in the 5% dps mod. __________________ Evalin, lvl 90 Swashbuckler Joannax, lvl 90 Troubador Sacrifice Oasis

07-08-2007, 12:07 AM	#14
AegisCrown Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 576	what about 100% haste with sailwind and alegro? __________________ EQ2 Flames - Swashbuckler

07-08-2007, 04:42 PM	#15
Zygwen Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 277	Coel@Antonia Bayle wrote: what about 100% haste with sailwind and alegro? I'll make the assumption that that means you are Agi Wis speced instead of Str Wis speced so you loose 13% melee crit chance. Graph 0-100 crit Graph 0-125 haste In this case Gladius will also perform better when CA chaining. __________________ Evalin, lvl 90 Swashbuckler Joannax, lvl 90 Troubador Sacrifice Oasis

07-10-2007, 01:08 PM	#16
PakMonyet Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: California/England/Indonesia Posts: 225	Hey Zygwen, Dude......you obviously have the MasterII of Weapon's Statistics.....lol......Nice! Can you tell what the winning Lotto numbers are going to be this week?.....hehe....jk Hormat, - Pa'Monyet

07-11-2007, 04:41 PM	#17
Ookami-san Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Allentown, PA Posts: 336	I will go with the sabre. If for no other reason than... it looks better. =) __________________ _____________________________________ Life is pain Princess! Anyone who tells you differently, is selling something!

07-12-2007, 01:39 PM	#18
Zygwen Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 277	Ookami-san wrote: I will go with the sabre. If for no other reason than... it looks better. =) Ah, the sign of a true Swashbuckler. __________________ Evalin, lvl 90 Swashbuckler Joannax, lvl 90 Troubador Sacrifice Oasis

07-12-2007, 04:19 PM	#19
Cocytus Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,908	It's true. Although I'll say it's starting to get EXCRUCIATING, the waiting. They're pushing the dw/1h changes back even further. Now scheduled for update 38.... /sigh

07-13-2007, 12:40 AM	#20
Dak General Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 80	The Gladius owns.

07-13-2007, 04:57 PM	#21
sifo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 28	Hey Dakis, what is your AA build if you don't mid me asking? Thanks. __________________ *Sifo, Co-host of Inside Nagafen: You're the best around!* *70 Swash/70 Jeweler/100 AAs/350 Tinker of Radiant Legion* - Nagafen

07-14-2007, 09:58 AM	#22
Dak General Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 80	Wisdom/Agility with extra points in Freehand Reversal for more avoidance. Wis: 44782 Agi: 46482

07-14-2007, 09:33 PM	#23
Dak General Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 80	imo.

07-18-2007, 04:39 AM	#24
Tames General Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Oz Posts: 259	With the current confusion between DW and 1H rewards for those who are 1H users and tempted by the Sabre but choose the Gladius because they dont trust SOE on the DW changes I hope that SOE enables the SOD rewards to be swapped after the DW changes go in (if they ever do). Preferably they should make a statement on this now rather than later so people can base their reward choices on it.