Question about selling / broker rules....

[Firedawg]

     Just out of curiosity, I'm not sure why the rul is that you may only have 1 character selling per account at one time, but when you are playing the game with more than one toon, and you ned money, that leads to transferring equipment and money from one character to the one selling.  Is it really a big problem if you have more than one character selling at any given time?  If SOE really wants each character to be its own entitiy, it only makes sense that more than one character in a world would be able to sell the goods that he/she finds in a quest or drops instead of having to go to town, deposit it into a shared bank slot, logg out, logg in with another character, take stuff out of the shared bank, post it on the market board, and then whatever money is gotten, either mail it to your other character, or find another way to get the money to him.  It is tedious, and at times a royal pain in the butt. 

[Sanati]

Huh? You can sell things with as many characters as you want.

[Jal]

Sanati wrote:

Huh? You can sell things with as many characters as you want.

Only the last one online selling will show though is my understanding.  I only sell from one though as i can only be bothered with 1 house but yeah it would be nice to do from all.

[Rokaab]

Sanati wrote:

Huh? You can sell things with as many characters as you want.

Not at the same time though, only one can be actively selling at a time.

[EpokSilvermo]

I have no clue what the reason might be but I would be looking forward to a change. For roleplaying purposes some of my characters have no connection at all to my main. So besides from just being a showstopper for any of my alts tradeskill career it just breaks the immersion in my gameplay experience. It would be such a relief to not have to invest time to perform such logistic tasks like sending stuff between characters for selling purposes.

[Sanati]

Is that certain? I've been playing a whole bunch of characters lately and selling things on all of them. First thing I do when I log back on them is head to the broker and pick up my gold. I guess it could just be selling before I have a chance to log on another character. Sounds like a really stupid game mechanic though if that's how it works. We do have 7 character slots after all.

[Rokaab]

Sanati wrote:

Is that certain? I've been playing a whole bunch of characters lately and selling things on all of them. First thing I do when I log back on them is head to the broker and pick up my gold. I guess it could just be selling before I have a chance to log on another character. Sounds like a really stupid game mechanic though if that's how it works. We do have 7 character slots after all.

Unfortunately yes certain

If you want to check the easiest way to do it is: log in character A (who has some stuff to sell), check the broker, search for his stuff (theres a search option for store owner name - use that), it will list his stuff, then log out, then log in character B (who also has stuff to sell) - go to the broker, do a search for character A's stuff (same as before) , you will find that character A has nothing listed on the broker anymore.

[liveja]

Sanati wrote:

Huh? You can sell things with as many characters as you want.

Sure, as long as each one is on a separate account or server.

It would be really nice if you could have one seller per FACTION, but currently, that's not the case.

[Karlen]

I think part of the reason for limiting selling to one character at a time is to limit the amount of inventory that one person can put on the market.   If you have 6 characters each with 6 full sales crates, that would be 36 full sales crates of product, which is quite a bit. One potential way to make things more convenient would be to limit sales to one house at a time, rather than one character.   You would set up one house as your main selling house and let your alts place sales crates in the house, up to the limit of the number of broker slots in the house. For example, you could buy a house a 4 Bayle Court in SQ with 6 broker slots and assign one to each of your alts, or you could give one character three of the slots and split the other 3 among your other alts. This would take a substantial revision of the sales system, though, so I would think it unlikely in the short term.

[Rijacki]

The really bad thing is that there is no in-game notice (or information) on this.  A lot of people are confused about it and think all their characters are selling when they really aren't.  If they keep the 1 character per account per server restriction (and there is no indication they won't), there needs to be information about that on the broker sell screen interface -and- a dialog box to change from one seller to another (i.e. when you access the broker from a second character to set anything for sale, or with items for sale, the box comes up to ask: "Do you want to be selling with this character instead of that character?&quot. I think it's a holdover from the original selling method when you had to have a character logged-in and standing in the inn-room in order to be selling. I, too, would rather it changed and I don't think it would flood the market as those against it surmise.  It might increase the market initially, but then it would stabilise.  It might actually lower prices on some items or just make some more obscure things available. The other seller thing I think should have in-game information (i.e. on the seller interface) is the fact your sales will be delisted from the broker 24 hours after your last login, if you don't login for more than 24-hours. In addition, there needs to be an in-game "tutorial" about how to set up sales, how to place broker boxes, how to avoid broker fees, etc.

[erin]

Rijacki wrote:

The really bad thing is that there is no in-game notice (or information) on this.  A lot of people are confused about it and think all their characters are selling when they really aren't.  If they keep the 1 character per account per server restriction (and there is no indication they won't), there needs to be information about that on the broker sell screen interface -and- a dialog box to change from one seller to another (i.e. when you access the broker from a second character to set anything for sale, or with items for sale, the box comes up to ask: "Do you want to be selling with this character instead of that character?". I think it's a holdover from the original selling method when you had to have a character logged-in and standing in the inn-room in order to be selling. I, too, would rather it changed and I don't think it would flood the market as those against it surmise.  It might increase the market initially, but then it would stabilise.  It might actually lower prices on some items or just make some more obscure things available. The other seller thing I think should have in-game information (i.e. on the seller interface) is the fact your sales will be delisted from the broker 24 hours after your last login, if you don't login for more than 24-hours. In addition, there needs to be an in-game "tutorial" about how to set up sales, how to place broker boxes, how to avoid broker fees, etc.

I like everything you just said There is a lot of confusion, there should be a notification.  I find your theory that its a holdover from the no offline selling days an interesting one.  That makes sense.  At some point I remember a dev saying they limited it to hold down the amount of items on the broker at any given time, but that doesn't seem to be a useful thing.  Maybe a database limitation?

[Krystara]

I would really love it to be changed to one character per faction as my poor baby dark elf is going to starve to death unless I have Lysari send her money.  I have been making Lysari do some selling for Vvenya, but it's a pain in the can to mail each item off AND Lysari and Vvenya would *hate* each other.  Lysari absolutely should not be helping Vvenya in the slightest, I just don't have a choice in the matter as it stands now.

 I really think this is something the devs should re-visit.

[Rijacki]

It should be unlimited characters or one character, not one per faction. If someone plays only one faction and it was one seller per faction, that player would be penalised and only able to sell with half as many as someone playing both sides. Sure, that person could have one opposite faction character, but doesn't that end up in the same argument with only one seller? In my opinion, the only fair solutions are one or all.

[liveja]

Rijacki wrote:

The really bad thing is that there is no in-game notice (or information) on this.  A lot of people are confused about it and think all their characters are selling when they really aren't.  If they keep the 1 character per account per server restriction (and there is no indication they won't), there needs to be information about that on the broker sell screen interface -and- a dialog box to change from one seller to another (i.e. when you access the broker from a second character to set anything for sale, or with items for sale, the box comes up to ask: "Do you want to be selling with this character instead of that character?". I think it's a holdover from the original selling method when you had to have a character logged-in and standing in the inn-room in order to be selling. I, too, would rather it changed and I don't think it would flood the market as those against it surmise.  It might increase the market initially, but then it would stabilise.  It might actually lower prices on some items or just make some more obscure things available. The other seller thing I think should have in-game information (i.e. on the seller interface) is the fact your sales will be delisted from the broker 24 hours after your last login, if you don't login for more than 24-hours. In addition, there needs to be an in-game "tutorial" about how to set up sales, how to place broker boxes, how to avoid broker fees, etc.

Rijaki speaks truth. Heed the Rijaki.

[Madmoon]

"Rijaki speaks truth. Heed the Rijaki."

  Very true!

And that goes double for any alchemists out there!  That's right, I'm talking to you!

[Forsaken1]

Rijacki wrote:

It should be unlimited characters or one character, not one per faction. If someone plays only one faction and it was one seller per faction, that player would be penalised and only able to sell with half as many as someone playing both sides. Sure, that person could have one opposite faction character, but doesn't that end up in the same argument with only one seller? In my opinion, the only fair solutions are one or all.

Gotta disagree. If someone plays only one faction thats a personal choice.

It's easy as hell for same aligned characters to transfer items to sell through the shared bank slots. But different aligned characters must use the mail system, waiting atleast a half hour to receive the items to be placed for sale , then another half for the proceeds to be returned.

You should be able to have 1 character per account, per server, on each faction able to sell at the same time.

Also, while were at it, pls implement a bulk mail system 

[Meditatious]

This totally needs to be addressed. It makes it very inconvient to tradeskill from more than one character.

[Brynd]

Lysari@Antonia Bayle wrote:

I would really love it to be changed to one character per faction as my poor baby dark elf is going to starve to death unless I have Lysari send her money.  I have been making Lysari do some selling for Vvenya, but it's a pain in the can to mail each item off AND Lysari and Vvenya would *hate* each other.  Lysari absolutely should not be helping Vvenya in the slightest, I just don't have a choice in the matter as it stands now.

 I really think this is something the devs should re-visit.

Did they change the restriction on cross faction mail? The last time I played you couldn't send mail to an opposing faction.

[Rijacki]

Bryndar wrote:

Lysari@Antonia Bayle wrote:

I would really love it to be changed to one character per faction as my poor baby dark elf is going to starve to death unless I have Lysari send her money.  I have been making Lysari do some selling for Vvenya, but it's a pain in the can to mail each item off AND Lysari and Vvenya would *hate* each other.  Lysari absolutely should not be helping Vvenya in the slightest, I just don't have a choice in the matter as it stands now.

 I really think this is something the devs should re-visit.

Did they change the restriction on cross faction mail? The last time I played you couldn't send mail to an opposing faction.

PvP servers cannot mail to opposing factions.  PvE servers can.

[Nilgiris]

Rakk@Butcherblock wrote:

Sanati wrote:

Is that certain? I've been playing a whole bunch of characters lately and selling things on all of them. First thing I do when I log back on them is head to the broker and pick up my gold. I guess it could just be selling before I have a chance to log on another character. Sounds like a really stupid game mechanic though if that's how it works. We do have 7 character slots after all.

Unfortunately yes certain

If you want to check the easiest way to do it is: log in character A (who has some stuff to sell), check the broker, search for his stuff (theres a search option for store owner name - use that), it will list his stuff, then log out, then log in character B (who also has stuff to sell) - go to the broker, do a search for character A's stuff (same as before) , you will find that character A has nothing listed on the broker anymore.

As long as character B doesn't re-list their stuff on the broker then character A's stuff will still be on sale. Once you access the broker and list your stuff again, then you become the dominant broker.

[CaffeineB]

How do you set yourself to be a seller that someone can come into your room and buy from? I don't see it as an option on my door or on my bulletin board... I must be missing something

[Valdaglerion]

The people that would flood the market are the botters who destroy more than they sell now anynow. They only keep those harvest which are rare or currently high priced as they pioritize what to sell. With 36 active slots on the broker they could and probably would flood the markets.

I dont think this restriction was put in place to hinder the real players whom it actually hurts but put there to protect them from the market floods of the illegal botting players.

 Just a thought to consider.

[Shadowtzer]

CaffeineBoy wrote:

How do you set yourself to be a seller that someone can come into your room and buy from? I don't see it as an option on my door or on my bulletin board... I must be missing something

The first thing you need to do is make sure you are using specific sales crates and not just the generic boxes. For instance: weapon rack, furniture closet, scroll stand, salescrate, armor and shield closet etc. A carpenter can make these and if you don't know any, then you can buy them on the broker. Also there are many levels of these sales crates and each level holds more than the previous. I believe the highest being ebony and it holds 80 items per sales crate with the exception of a basic sales crate which holds 60 items. Once you list your items in those, go to your house and click on the broker board. Rt click on one of your containers and select "place". Once you place the sales crate in your house, it will allow people to visit your house to buy goods.

 Good Luck =)

[Shadowtzer]

Firedawg wrote:

     Just out of curiosity, I'm not sure why the rul is that you may only have 1 character selling per account at one time, but when you are playing the game with more than one toon, and you ned money, that leads to transferring equipment and money from one character to the one selling.  Is it really a big problem if you have more than one character selling at any given time?  If SOE really wants each character to be its own entitiy, it only makes sense that more than one character in a world would be able to sell the goods that he/she finds in a quest or drops instead of having to go to town, deposit it into a shared bank slot, logg out, logg in with another character, take stuff out of the shared bank, post it on the market board, and then whatever money is gotten, either mail it to your other character, or find another way to get the money to him.  It is tedious, and at times a royal pain in the butt. 

I agree completely!! I have a tailor (and 6 other crafters) that is currently a level 54. My tailor only has one ebony armor/shield rack on the broker now. So my dilema is that I can only fill it with 80 items, never mind that my woodworker uses the same rack for shields too, and I would like to sell armor for all levels 20 and above. Each set of armor has 7 pieces and I can make both cloth and leather. Also I make handcrafted and mastercrafted. So for level 20 right there, that is 28 items just for that level. Now if you multiply that by the amount of levels I can currently make, that is more than 80 slots.

I would love to be able to have a broker for each crafter listed at the same time where I can use the broker slots to accomodate each level that I can make for each crafter instead of being limited. Also it would save time from either having to mail the goods to my main (the broker toon) as well as using the bank system. Having to load up the bank and then switching to my main and then pulling everything off and then listing it is a totlal PITA!!!. 

PWEEESE DEVS, HELP US WITH THIS!!!! (I got cookies!!!) lol

[Syndic]

Rijacki wrote:

The really bad thing is that there is no in-game notice (or information) on this.  A lot of people are confused about it and think all their characters are selling when they really aren't.  If they keep the 1 character per account per server restriction (and there is no indication they won't), there needs to be information about that on the broker sell screen interface -and- a dialog box to change from one seller to another (i.e. when you access the broker from a second character to set anything for sale, or with items for sale, the box comes up to ask: "Do you want to be selling with this character instead of that character?". I think it's a holdover from the original selling method when you had to have a character logged-in and standing in the inn-room in order to be selling. I, too, would rather it changed and I don't think it would flood the market as those against it surmise.  It might increase the market initially, but then it would stabilise.  It might actually lower prices on some items or just make some more obscure things available. The other seller thing I think should have in-game information (i.e. on the seller interface) is the fact your sales will be delisted from the broker 24 hours after your last login, if you don't login for more than 24-hours. In addition, there needs to be an in-game "tutorial" about how to set up sales, how to place broker boxes, how to avoid broker fees, etc.

Agree with everything there.  These discussions come up every week, not only that there are so many different answers that come up that I don't think anyone is sure what the true answer is.  My belief was that it was 1 character per account per server cluster (USA, Europe etc), no matter the server. I have multiple characters that have set up sales but I would like to know is it just logging in that changes the sales person or actually browsing the broker that does it.  I would love some indication, even maybe just a text output "Soandso has now taken over sales from Whatshisname", just to give some visual confirmation something just happened to my account, would be a quick solution.  A better one though would be to have a checkbox labelled "List Goods for Sale" on the Sell tab of the broker the user ticks the box and that character  takes over the selling until such time as you tick the box on another character.  Ticking this box could then popup a confirmation about switching sellers, could also help figure out which character is currently selling and gives an indication to the player that only one character can sell at a time by letting them know the other will be removed from sales lists.  Of course if there is no current seller there would be no need for a confirmation. Although I'm sure these forums would look empty with out the constant new threads about how sales work, and how many characters can actually do it simultaneously.

[Bromir]

Rakk@Butcherblock wrote:

Sanati wrote:

Is that certain? I've been playing a whole bunch of characters lately and selling things on all of them. First thing I do when I log back on them is head to the broker and pick up my gold. I guess it could just be selling before I have a chance to log on another character. Sounds like a really stupid game mechanic though if that's how it works. We do have 7 character slots after all.

Unfortunately yes certain

If you want to check the easiest way to do it is: log in character A (who has some stuff to sell), check the broker, search for his stuff (theres a search option for store owner name - use that), it will list his stuff, then log out, then log in character B (who also has stuff to sell) - go to the broker, do a search for character A's stuff (same as before) , you will find that character A has nothing listed on the broker anymore.

There seem to be yet another problem . After moving to Neriak I can even have a char on that is actively selling but his stuff isnt listed on the freeport broker . I can however freely see people selling in both Q GF and FP when im browsing the broker in Neriak ..

I noticed this early on but thought it might be a temporary glitch of some sort but it doesnt seem to be going away The One char selling thing i wasnt even aware of . I guess i must have missed reading an update note !?

Yours

Brorim

[Daysy]

Rijacki wrote:

Bryndar wrote: PvP servers cannot mail to opposing factions.

All the more reason to change it so that every character can sell simultaneously.

[Scottishla]

If they won't let more than one character per account sell at a time, then please for the gods sake, share the money slots in the bank!  If we can share gear across our characters (depending on alignment), then why can't we share the money also in the bank?

[Rijacki]

Bromir@Runnyeye wrote:

Rakk@Butcherblock wrote:

Sanati wrote:

Is that certain? I've been playing a whole bunch of characters lately and selling things on all of them. First thing I do when I log back on them is head to the broker and pick up my gold. I guess it could just be selling before I have a chance to log on another character. Sounds like a really stupid game mechanic though if that's how it works. We do have 7 character slots after all.

Unfortunately yes certain

If you want to check the easiest way to do it is: log in character A (who has some stuff to sell), check the broker, search for his stuff (theres a search option for store owner name - use that), it will list his stuff, then log out, then log in character B (who also has stuff to sell) - go to the broker, do a search for character A's stuff (same as before) , you will find that character A has nothing listed on the broker anymore.

There seem to be yet another problem . After moving to Neriak I can even have a char on that is actively selling but his stuff isnt listed on the freeport broker . I can however freely see people selling in both Q GF and FP when im browsing the broker in Neriak ..

I noticed this early on but thought it might be a temporary glitch of some sort but it doesnt seem to be going away The One char selling thing i wasnt even aware of . I guess i must have missed reading an update note !?

No update note, that's the way it has always been.  Those who claim otherwise weren't truly selling from 2 characters on the same server and same account simultaneously.

[StormCinder]

My vote is for status quo.  I currently run 6 toons on 5 servers. The only result I would see from dramatically increasing the supply sources of items for sale is depreciation.  No thanks.  Just my play style and my vote.  I don't play multiple toons on the same server, so my interests lie with fewer sellers. Regarding the post describing a "help" system for learning how the mechanics work, I agree.  However, there are many, MANY places in the game world where this is needed.  Broker selling is certainly not easy to master. As far as the 24-hour time-limit is concerned, I agree that it's probably a database/size issue.  Toons get abandoned every day.  If there were no 'logoff' then their items would remain listed until sold, or until the next 'toon housecleaning.'  24-hours seems a little extreme, especially for the 'casual' player who may only play on weekends.  However, it does mean that the market gets pretty hot around Thursday-Friday due to a lack of supply (oops, did I just give away a secret). SC