Warlock>Wizard on raids?

[hammerfil]

Subject speaks for itself.. how well do you guys parse against wizards zonewide?

[Groma]

When i was pure dps spec, here is how it broke down vs wizard with manaburn. Single target mobs, he won if he used manaburn every time.  No manaburn, it was close, but a crit nova usually barely put him over the top. All other scenarios, long named fights, etc, my parse is higher.  Some larger epic encounters i parsed 5-6k where he was lucky to break 3k.  Haven't had an aggro issue since EoF released using only Synergysm as a hate reducer.

[Deathspell]

I wish someone could tell/teach me, coz some times I'm parsing the same as brigands, bruisers or even guardians. I've to admit everyone in my guild is pretty much well-geared with fabled items and masters. But so do I, relics+dark arts items and all masters. All my items have here and there a bit more INT, yet overall the Wizards always have like 200-300 more INT... Our 3 wizards always parse top3 easily, one of them is always nr1, with scores double or triple as high. Hence the reason they always get amends and all possible hate transfers, which leaves no amends for me. Very occasionally I'm able to parse with them and I'm at #2 or #3. So I don't understand why I sometimes parse good and other times get outparsed by non-dps classes? - Do miracles make that difference? Coz that's the only thing I don't have/use... - Do you guys purely crank up INT? or e.g.: "30 INT vs 20INT +3 disruption"? I love my class, but parsing wise there's still things I need to know to improve... all tips and suggestions are always welcome. @Gromann, I never saw someone parse 5-6k on epics, am I misreading my parsing tool (ACT)? The top parses I read are usually in the 2000-3000 range.

[KrAzE1]

I need your help to Gromann. Even on the group encounters I'm watching the mini parse window and I'm runing 4000-5000 leading the parse then then all the encounter is dead but one and a Necro or Wizard ends up taking the parse. Whats your secret?

http://eq2players.station.sony.com/characters/character_profile.vm?characterId=440564203

[Pilgrim Divine]

with the int issue, i suggest make good friends with all the furies in your guild so you get Vim on raids, also, buy grandmaster elixir of intellect which is a few gold on my server and gives me +66 int and lasts for 30 mins, 6-7 of them lasts me the whole raid but i carry 30 round with me anyway. Make sure you have all your +int adornments but tbh after a certain point, id try to concentrate on getting your disruption up as int has diminishing returns. My int is about 630 ish, with symbol slot empty, gives me more than enough damage/power. My disruption is about 410, working on improving this.

[hammerfil]

Ok gromann thanks... Just curious u AGI/WIS or STR/WIS? can u consistently hold a 2-3k on mobs throughout zone? or totally dependent on the zone and group setup?

[Pilgrim Divine]

sorry, i jumped in there, im not Gromann but id love his advice too ))))

[DjVacant]

Don't try to compare yourself to another poster's parse.  There are far too many variables in play to do this with any accuracy...you'll just end up feeling like a crappy player when it may not really be your problem.

 For example, my raid force is a few classes short of optimal.  The wizard in the raid force is usually number 1 parse (I can get him in a few zones, but I'm usually a close second) and his numbers were very consistent over a given month's time.  One weekend he got invited to tag along with a much more uber raiding guild and parsed a MUCH higher number than normal.  I have no idea what his group setup was like...yada yada yada...but it just goes to show that comparing one person's parse to another on these forums is like comparing apples to oranges. 

Having said all that...you COULD be a bad player.   I'd suggest pushing the envelope for a bit.   Die a few fights...get a feel for the "aggro limit" and walk that line.  If you find that you can't pull aggro from your tank, open up some more.  Switch your spell order around.  There are some good posts documenting that actual DPS of our individual spells.  Check that out...

 Found that link...here it is

http://www.southernairinc.com/Arani_Design/Mogedien/Warlock%20Spells.htm

[Mastire]

DJVacant is right. Raid setups, and the skill/gear of the entire raid majkes a huge difference. I normaly post 1.6-2k dps on single targets with my guild. I decided to try a pickup raid in labs, and I was lucky to break 1.2k. And for wizzards vs warlocks, multi mob fights, warlock should win. 1 min or less fight, a wiz with manaburn will win. With a 5 min fight single encounter fight I would say gear/skill will win.

[Deathspell]

You know, I think it would be cool for Warlocks if they made it so that the output of our AE spells was depending on the amount of mobs. Be it Rift, Void Abs or Apocalypse, the more mobs there are in the encounter, the more spread out would be our damage, while the damage would add up for a single mob. e..g.: Void Absolution on 3 mobs is 3000 on each mob Void Absolution on 1 mob-encounter, would be nice with it would cumulate to one bigger hit; like 9000 (3x 3000). Think this would be fair towards warlocks for single mob encounters. If they made this an AA option I would definately try it out

[hammerfil]

I was curious b/c I  was a wizard and betrayed to lock today. All mastered and im going to DT tonight I think. Ill get back to you guys with my parse and u can tell me if im close. Was testing in a bunch of different zones today (valdoon, OOB, Kaladim) against a fully mastered wizard and I won in OOB and Kaladim. He barely beat me in valdoon. I no group parses dont matter but was nice. Had huge aggro issues though. Ill get bak 2 ya guys on DT though. Pretty sure ill have a harmonius link for sure and prlly amends.

[Pilgrim Divine]

have fun with those big carrion crawler grps