PvP: The most FAQ for rogues! (AAs!)

Toadley · 05-22-2007, 11:37 PM

Str/Agi .... Wis/Agi .... Wis/Str

out of the three what is the best setup of the rogue tree AA lines for a solo brigand on a pvp server?

Please give opinions and reasons!!

Fleaba · 05-23-2007, 01:23 PM

Ok, I'm pretty new to the pvp scene myself but I carry myself pretty well IMHO.

My biggest bane so far has been all the dang druids running around. Soooo STR line FTW!! You can seriously debuff casting, reuse etc. time with the ca's from that line. Add in your interupts and stuns and you actually have a chance vs druids now.. I had never beat any healer one on one except for a few lucky jumps in the past. After respecing to str line I actually took out a lvl 40 fury with my 35 swashy last night. OMG talk about sweet justice after all my deaths to them!!!

My other line I have to the end is wisdom because everyone knows that the double hit aa's are what turn rogues into tier 1 dps machines.

I tried agi line but my pvp/pve groups seem to rarely have a tank in them and I end up playing the role of tank...meaning a lot of the bonus dps that comes from the proc is not utilized because I"m always in front of the mob/player and can't get behind them due to me tanking. Sure I miss the in combat run speed but I definatly find the debuffs from the str line to be well worth the loss. ESPECIALLY vs casters/healers.....

Cocytus · 05-23-2007, 07:22 PM

Don't help brigands imo.

They don't need aas for pvp anyway tbh

jam3 · 05-24-2007, 03:53 PM

The two Ca's you get from strength are not half as good as walk the plank. If you solo and fight scouts often its one of your best ca's when you have reach, you can macro a /equip rapier and use the ca with no down time. The only benefits in terms of pvp i see from strength are some good defense and swipe is nice i guess but i love having a 2,8 second root..i think i lost about 3% avoidance when i switched aa specs which isnt even much

Gauge · 05-25-2007, 03:16 AM

bah i have 50k negative faction to work through so i can respect... jealous!

Cocytus · 05-25-2007, 06:46 PM

Aeryox@Nagafen wrote:

The two Ca's you get from strength are not half as good as walk the plank. If you solo and fight scouts often its one of your best ca's when you have reach, you can macro a /equip rapier and use the ca with no down time. The only benefits in terms of pvp i see from strength are some good defense and swipe is nice i guess but i love having a 2,8 second root..i think i lost about 3% avoidance when i switched aa specs which isnt even much

Actually

Walk the plank is CONSIDERABLY less useful in PVP as it can be difficult to tell where your opponent's back actually is in the heat of battle.

Additionally, torporous strike makes a BIG difference against melees. It has a noticeable effect on their CA spam. Significantly slower.

jam3 · 05-25-2007, 08:49 PM

Cocytus wrote:

Aeryox@Nagafen wrote:
The two Ca's you get from strength are not half as good as walk the plank. If you solo and fight scouts often its one of your best ca's when you have reach, you can macro a /equip rapier and use the ca with no down time. The only benefits in terms of pvp i see from strength are some good defense and swipe is nice i guess but i love having a 2,8 second root..i think i lost about 3% avoidance when i switched aa specs which isnt even much
Actually
Walk the plank is CONSIDERABLY less useful in PVP as it can be difficult to tell where your opponent's back actually is in the heat of battle.
Additionally, torporous strike makes a BIG difference against melees. It has a noticeable effect on their CA spam. Significantly slower.

well i have reach and i generally kite and if the fight goes my way against a melee class like assassin or brigand they arent getting many hits on me and when people try to get close i can cheap shot ++ walk the plank elude and back up some more. Different play styles different aa spec.

Broccoliswo · 05-26-2007, 03:32 AM

Cocytus wrote:

Aeryox@Nagafen wrote:
The two Ca's you get from strength are not half as good as walk the plank. If you solo and fight scouts often its one of your best ca's when you have reach, you can macro a /equip rapier and use the ca with no down time. The only benefits in terms of pvp i see from strength are some good defense and swipe is nice i guess but i love having a 2,8 second root..i think i lost about 3% avoidance when i switched aa specs which isnt even much
Actually
Walk the plank is CONSIDERABLY less useful in PVP as it can be difficult to tell where your opponent's back actually is in the heat of battle.
Additionally, torporous strike makes a BIG difference against melees. It has a noticeable effect on their CA spam. Significantly slower.

You're wrong. Walk the Plank can be used to stop a runner from 25 meters away, and furthermore turns the opponent's back right to you, so if you can't find it, then God help you play a different class cause it's not like we have many backshots anyways. The Swipes don't really matter all that much except against healers, as the melee you have to fight when you're in qeynos don't really rely on CA spam (ex. assassins, brigs, etc) as swashbuckler does. AGI = good STR=bluebie the end <3

Cocytus · 05-26-2007, 03:54 PM

I'm confident I could beat you :p

It kinda depends on the environment. I prefer str because it gives me greater utility and survivability, and IMO it's a bit stronger against melee classes. Healers are my weakness, particularly defilers.

That aside, Yeah, you are right about walk the plank. I keep forgetting how enormous the range on it is. That does make it EXTREMELY useful.

jam3 · 05-27-2007, 01:27 PM

swash vs swash would be lame lol

Dak · 05-27-2007, 10:26 PM

Wis/Agi is definitely the best in PvP vs. anything but a Druid. Str/Wis is pretty much the only way to kill a good Warden, and it no doubt helps against Furies.

Broccoliswo · 05-28-2007, 01:53 PM

We'll never know if you could beat me because you're on a PvE server SMILEY

/huggles

Fleaba · 06-03-2007, 11:39 AM

Yeah, as the one guy is saying...Walk the plank is a very nice CA to have and I truely do miss it...alas on Venekor I run across about 3 times the druids that I do rogues. Even with the Str and Wis lines I still beat most rogues up to 8 lvls higher then me. However there are a few wll skilled, geared and spec'd rogues that beat me.

Here is an old video of the first druid to run across a str spec'd swashy.... Someone had a cam going when he ran to the other computer to log on his Q toon to send hate tells for the loss....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9015039751037156260

Cocytus · 06-03-2007, 03:50 PM

Broccolisword@Nagafen wrote:

We'll never know if you could beat me because you're on a PvE server /huggles

Yeah. I seriously wish I could copy a character over SMILEY

So many peoples' videos I've seen that I'd like to duel to test how good they really are, hehe.

Luk · 06-03-2007, 06:04 PM

Hammburgler@Venekor wrote:

Yeah, as the one guy is saying...Walk the plank is a very nice CA to have and I truely do miss it...alas on Venekor I run across about 3 times the druids that I do rogues. Even with the Str and Wis lines I still beat most rogues up to 8 lvls higher then me. However there are a few wll skilled, geared and spec'd rogues that beat me.
Here is an old video of the first druid to run across a str spec'd swashy.... Someone had a cam going when he ran to the other computer to log on his Q toon to send hate tells for the loss....
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9015039751037156260

Now, if he practiced a little more organisational management, he wouldn't have to throw things around to make room for his mouse and keyboard

05-23-2007, 01:23 PM	#2
Fleaba General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 179	Ok, I'm pretty new to the pvp scene myself but I carry myself pretty well IMHO. My biggest bane so far has been all the dang druids running around. Soooo STR line FTW!! You can seriously debuff casting, reuse etc. time with the ca's from that line. Add in your interupts and stuns and you actually have a chance vs druids now.. I had never beat any healer one on one except for a few lucky jumps in the past. After respecing to str line I actually took out a lvl 40 fury with my 35 swashy last night. OMG talk about sweet justice after all my deaths to them!!! My other line I have to the end is wisdom because everyone knows that the double hit aa's are what turn rogues into tier 1 dps machines. I tried agi line but my pvp/pve groups seem to rarely have a tank in them and I end up playing the role of tank...meaning a lot of the bonus dps that comes from the proc is not utilized because I"m always in front of the mob/player and can't get behind them due to me tanking. Sure I miss the in combat run speed but I definatly find the debuffs from the str line to be well worth the loss. ESPECIALLY vs casters/healers..... __________________

05-25-2007, 03:16 AM	#5
Gauge Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 50	bah i have 50k negative faction to work through so i can respect... jealous! __________________

05-25-2007, 06:46 PM	#6
Cocytus Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,908	Aeryox@Nagafen wrote: The two Ca's you get from strength are not half as good as walk the plank. If you solo and fight scouts often its one of your best ca's when you have reach, you can macro a /equip rapier and use the ca with no down time. The only benefits in terms of pvp i see from strength are some good defense and swipe is nice i guess but i love having a 2,8 second root..i think i lost about 3% avoidance when i switched aa specs which isnt even much Actually Walk the plank is CONSIDERABLY less useful in PVP as it can be difficult to tell where your opponent's back actually is in the heat of battle. Additionally, torporous strike makes a BIG difference against melees. It has a noticeable effect on their CA spam. Significantly slower.

05-25-2007, 08:49 PM	#7
jam3 General Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 724	Cocytus wrote: Aeryox@Nagafen wrote: The two Ca's you get from strength are not half as good as walk the plank. If you solo and fight scouts often its one of your best ca's when you have reach, you can macro a /equip rapier and use the ca with no down time. The only benefits in terms of pvp i see from strength are some good defense and swipe is nice i guess but i love having a 2,8 second root..i think i lost about 3% avoidance when i switched aa specs which isnt even much Actually Walk the plank is CONSIDERABLY less useful in PVP as it can be difficult to tell where your opponent's back actually is in the heat of battle. Additionally, torporous strike makes a BIG difference against melees. It has a noticeable effect on their CA spam. Significantly slower. well i have reach and i generally kite and if the fight goes my way against a melee class like assassin or brigand they arent getting many hits on me and when people try to get close i can cheap shot ++ walk the plank elude and back up some more. Different play styles different aa spec.

05-26-2007, 03:32 AM	#8
Broccoliswo Server: Nagafen General Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 142	Cocytus wrote: Aeryox@Nagafen wrote: The two Ca's you get from strength are not half as good as walk the plank. If you solo and fight scouts often its one of your best ca's when you have reach, you can macro a /equip rapier and use the ca with no down time. The only benefits in terms of pvp i see from strength are some good defense and swipe is nice i guess but i love having a 2,8 second root..i think i lost about 3% avoidance when i switched aa specs which isnt even much Actually Walk the plank is CONSIDERABLY less useful in PVP as it can be difficult to tell where your opponent's back actually is in the heat of battle. Additionally, torporous strike makes a BIG difference against melees. It has a noticeable effect on their CA spam. Significantly slower. You're wrong. Walk the Plank can be used to stop a runner from 25 meters away, and furthermore turns the opponent's back right to you, so if you can't find it, then God help you play a different class cause it's not like we have many backshots anyways. The Swipes don't really matter all that much except against healers, as the melee you have to fight when you're in qeynos don't really rely on CA spam (ex. assassins, brigs, etc) as swashbuckler does. AGI = good STR=bluebie the end <3

05-22-2007, 11:37 PM	#1
Toadley Server: Venekor Lord Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 55	Str/Agi .... Wis/Agi .... Wis/Str out of the three what is the best setup of the rogue tree AA lines for a solo brigand on a pvp server? Please give opinions and reasons!!

05-23-2007, 07:22 PM	#3
Cocytus Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,908	Don't help brigands imo. They don't need aas for pvp anyway tbh

05-24-2007, 03:53 PM	#4
jam3 General Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 724	The two Ca's you get from strength are not half as good as walk the plank. If you solo and fight scouts often its one of your best ca's when you have reach, you can macro a /equip rapier and use the ca with no down time. The only benefits in terms of pvp i see from strength are some good defense and swipe is nice i guess but i love having a 2,8 second root..i think i lost about 3% avoidance when i switched aa specs which isnt even much

05-26-2007, 03:54 PM	#9
Cocytus Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,908	I'm confident I could beat you :p It kinda depends on the environment. I prefer str because it gives me greater utility and survivability, and IMO it's a bit stronger against melee classes. Healers are my weakness, particularly defilers. That aside, Yeah, you are right about walk the plank. I keep forgetting how enormous the range on it is. That does make it EXTREMELY useful.

05-27-2007, 01:27 PM	#10
jam3 General Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 724	swash vs swash would be lame lol

05-27-2007, 10:26 PM	#11
Dak General Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 80	Wis/Agi is definitely the best in PvP vs. anything but a Druid. Str/Wis is pretty much the only way to kill a good Warden, and it no doubt helps against Furies.

05-28-2007, 01:53 PM	#12
Broccoliswo Server: Nagafen General Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 142	We'll never know if you could beat me because you're on a PvE server /huggles

06-03-2007, 11:39 AM	#13
Fleaba General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 179	Yeah, as the one guy is saying...Walk the plank is a very nice CA to have and I truely do miss it...alas on Venekor I run across about 3 times the druids that I do rogues. Even with the Str and Wis lines I still beat most rogues up to 8 lvls higher then me. However there are a few wll skilled, geared and spec'd rogues that beat me. Here is an old video of the first druid to run across a str spec'd swashy.... Someone had a cam going when he ran to the other computer to log on his Q toon to send hate tells for the loss.... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9015039751037156260 __________________

06-03-2007, 03:50 PM	#14
Cocytus Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,908	Broccolisword@Nagafen wrote: We'll never know if you could beat me because you're on a PvE server /huggles Yeah. I seriously wish I could copy a character over So many peoples' videos I've seen that I'd like to duel to test how good they really are, hehe.

06-03-2007, 06:04 PM	#15
Luk General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 897	Hammburgler@Venekor wrote: Yeah, as the one guy is saying...Walk the plank is a very nice CA to have and I truely do miss it...alas on Venekor I run across about 3 times the druids that I do rogues. Even with the Str and Wis lines I still beat most rogues up to 8 lvls higher then me. However there are a few wll skilled, geared and spec'd rogues that beat me. Here is an old video of the first druid to run across a str spec'd swashy.... Someone had a cam going when he ran to the other computer to log on his Q toon to send hate tells for the loss.... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9015039751037156260 Now, if he practiced a little more organisational management, he wouldn't have to throw things around to make room for his mouse and keyboard