Arasai: Lets make them look evil

[Maroger]

Lotus wrote:

Arasai art stuff.   -Eyes do glow. -Skin is a bit more shiny/greasy in appearance and reflects back eye color. -Colors are restricted to primaries while the goody Fae can only choose pastels. -The Arasai get the darkest skin tones out of all of the races. -Wings are pulled from mammals, moths and creepy insects. -Hair is from some fun dark resources.  SuicideGirls , cosplay Japanese Gothic Lolita... -The dance is extremely evil. =P “Evil” is not always horns, spikes and flames from orifices.  Personally my favorite form of evil is found in Anne Rice books or Movies such as Bram Stoker’s Dracula.  The Arasai were meant to compete with the beauty of the DarkElfs as they are the ones responsible for the appearance of the Arasai. I hope this answers some questions.

It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???

I think what people are saying is that we prefer evil based on Medieval Gothic images from Western European Civlization NOT Japanese Gothic or something out of Lineage.

Fairies like the Fae remind me merely of some really ugly Victorian Fairy Painting of Richard Doyle

[Xev]

Maroger wrote:

Lotus wrote:

Arasai art stuff.   -Eyes do glow. -Skin is a bit more shiny/greasy in appearance and reflects back eye color. -Colors are restricted to primaries while the goody Fae can only choose pastels. -The Arasai get the darkest skin tones out of all of the races. -Wings are pulled from mammals, moths and creepy insects. -Hair is from some fun dark resources.  SuicideGirls , cosplay Japanese Gothic Lolita... -The dance is extremely evil. =P “Evil” is not always horns, spikes and flames from orifices.  Personally my favorite form of evil is found in Anne Rice books or Movies such as Bram Stoker’s Dracula.  The Arasai were meant to compete with the beauty of the DarkElfs as they are the ones responsible for the appearance of the Arasai. I hope this answers some questions.

It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???

I think what people are saying is that we prefer evil based on Medieval Gothic images from Western European Civlization NOT Japanese Gothic or something out of Lineage.

Fairies like the Fae remind me merely of some really ugly Victorian Fairy Painting of Richard Doyle

Translation:  I don't like the Fae so no one else should.  I don't want this race given to us, even though it is for free and to address an issue a lot of players have had since EoF came out, so no one else wants them either.  Seriously, if you don't like them, that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion, but you don't speak for everyone else and whether you believe it or not, there are goign to be a lot of people that like that they are adding this race for the evil factions.  This doesn't mean there will never be another race added...they will probably add a new one or two with the next paid expansion. Face it, there are a lot of people that like the fae and have wanted an evil version, that is why they are putting them in.  Adding this race doesn't hurt you in any way, and since you don't have to play them, why do you care if other people get enjoyment from it?

[eniah]

Lotus wrote:

-The dance is extremely evil. =P

The dance is extremely cool. Thank you for this one!! Whose dancing style of you guys is this?

[Rijacki]

Maroger wrote:

Lotus wrote:

Arasai art stuff.   -Eyes do glow. -Skin is a bit more shiny/greasy in appearance and reflects back eye color. -Colors are restricted to primaries while the goody Fae can only choose pastels. -The Arasai get the darkest skin tones out of all of the races. -Wings are pulled from mammals, moths and creepy insects. -Hair is from some fun dark resources.  SuicideGirls , cosplay Japanese Gothic Lolita... -The dance is extremely evil. =P “Evil” is not always horns, spikes and flames from orifices.  Personally my favorite form of evil is found in Anne Rice books or Movies such as Bram Stoker’s Dracula.  The Arasai were meant to compete with the beauty of the DarkElfs as they are the ones responsible for the appearance of the Arasai. I hope this answers some questions.

It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???

I think what people are saying is that we prefer evil based on Medieval Gothic images from Western European Civlization NOT Japanese Gothic or something out of Lineage.

Fairies like the Fae remind me merely of some really ugly Victorian Fairy Painting of Richard Doyle

The Arasai are not "Japanese gothic" or "something out of Lineage".  Your racism is extremely tiresome.  If you hadn't been told that SOGA played a part in the development of the two zones, would you be as whiney about the setting?  I odubt it.  You have a negative predisposition against anything coming from SOGA  or perhaps even anything coming from anywhere even with a suggestion of Asia. Because you don't like them doesn't mean others don't.  It doesn't even mean that anyone who likes them at all is wrong or damaged or whatever. Based on your comments here and in other places, I don't think you've ever seen any -real- medieval art or artifacts.  You might have seen Victorian Pre-Rafealite stuff, but that has very little connection to actual medieval imagery.  You'd probably complain that art done in France in the later 1400s was way too "Asian" (http://humanities.uchicago.edu/imag...eures/april.jpg).

[Maroger]

Rijacki wrote:

Maroger wrote:

Lotus wrote:

Arasai art stuff.   -Eyes do glow. -Skin is a bit more shiny/greasy in appearance and reflects back eye color. -Colors are restricted to primaries while the goody Fae can only choose pastels. -The Arasai get the darkest skin tones out of all of the races. -Wings are pulled from mammals, moths and creepy insects. -Hair is from some fun dark resources.  SuicideGirls , cosplay Japanese Gothic Lolita... -The dance is extremely evil. =P “Evil” is not always horns, spikes and flames from orifices.  Personally my favorite form of evil is found in Anne Rice books or Movies such as Bram Stoker’s Dracula.  The Arasai were meant to compete with the beauty of the DarkElfs as they are the ones responsible for the appearance of the Arasai. I hope this answers some questions.

It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???

I think what people are saying is that we prefer evil based on Medieval Gothic images from Western European Civlization NOT Japanese Gothic or something out of Lineage.

Fairies like the Fae remind me merely of some really ugly Victorian Fairy Painting of Richard Doyle

The Arasai are not "Japanese gothic" or "something out of Lineage".  Your racism is extremely tiresome.  If you hadn't been told that SOGA played a part in the development of the two zones, would you be as whiney about the setting?  I odubt it.  You have a negative predisposition against anything coming from SOGA  or perhaps even anything coming from anywhere even with a suggestion of Asia. Because you don't like them doesn't mean others don't.  It doesn't even mean that anyone who likes them at all is wrong or damaged or whatever. Based on your comments here and in other places, I don't think you've ever seen any -real- medieval art or artifacts.  You might have seen Victorian Pre-Rafealite stuff, but that has very little connection to actual medieval imagery.  You'd probably complain that art done in France in the later 1400s was way too "Asian" (http://humanities.uchicago.edu/imag...eures/april.jpg).

Not sure you know very much about Medieval Art -- that image you showed is very typical of Medival art of the period. It is what was done in stuff like the Book of Hours.  I can't imagine what makes you think it looks Asian unless you don't know very much about Asian art which I suspect is the case.

Pre-Raphaelite art (note the correct spelling) is unique and unlike any other art. It is sui generis. The look of the armor in the paintings was however, taken from original Armor on display in the British Museum( have you even been there and seen it) I am thinking of the Gargoyles on Notre Dame ( surely you have seen pictures even if you have never been to France) and some of the other art of the Gothic Period which had a unique depiction of Evil. I suggest you attempt to find a book on French Tapistry and look at some of the depictions in it.

Western European Civilization defined evil, pictorially speaking, in a specific way - which did NOT include Victorian Fairies.

I like the art in Fallen Dynasty - fitted in with the locale -- so did the Arabian Nights look for Maj Dul. It is just you can't copy this arts to other locations, color it purple and Blue and call it Neriak. YOu may think you can but you probably aren't very familiar with the original Neriak!!

Oh and for your information I lived in France for several years so I AM very familiar with French art !!

[Lortet]

Maroger wrote:

Not sure you know very much about Medieval Art -- that image you showed is very typical of Medival art of the period. It is what was done in stuff like the Book of Hours.  I can't imagine what makes you think it looks Asian unless you don't know very much about Asian art which I suspect is the case.

Pre-Raphaelite art (note the correct spelling) is unique and unlike any other art. It is sui generis. The look of the armor in the paintings was however, taken from original Armor on display in the British Museum( have you even been there and seen it) I am thinking of the Gargoyles on Notre Dame ( surely you have seen pictures even if you have never been to France) and some of the other art of the Gothic Period which had a unique depiction of Evil. I suggest you attempt to find a book on French Tapistry and look at some of the depictions in it.

Western European Civilization defined evil, pictorially speaking, in a specific way - which did NOT include Victorian Fairies.

I like the art in Fallen Dynasty - fitted in with the locale -- so did the Arabian Nights look for Maj Dul. It is just you can't copy this arts to other locations, color it purple and Blue and call it Neriak. YOu may think you can but you probably aren't very familiar with the original Neriak!!

Oh and for your information I lived in France for several years so I AM very familiar with French art !!

errr - Tapestry (note the correct spelling)

sorry - couldn't help it lol

[ke'la]

Maroger wrote:

Rijacki wrote:

Maroger wrote:

Lotus wrote:

Arasai art stuff.   -Eyes do glow. -Skin is a bit more shiny/greasy in appearance and reflects back eye color. -Colors are restricted to primaries while the goody Fae can only choose pastels. -The Arasai get the darkest skin tones out of all of the races. -Wings are pulled from mammals, moths and creepy insects. -Hair is from some fun dark resources.  SuicideGirls , cosplay Japanese Gothic Lolita... -The dance is extremely evil. =P “Evil” is not always horns, spikes and flames from orifices.  Personally my favorite form of evil is found in Anne Rice books or Movies such as Bram Stoker’s Dracula.  The Arasai were meant to compete with the beauty of the DarkElfs as they are the ones responsible for the appearance of the Arasai. I hope this answers some questions.

It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???

I think what people are saying is that we prefer evil based on Medieval Gothic images from Western European Civlization NOT Japanese Gothic or something out of Lineage.

Fairies like the Fae remind me merely of some really ugly Victorian Fairy Painting of Richard Doyle

The Arasai are not "Japanese gothic" or "something out of Lineage".  Your racism is extremely tiresome.  If you hadn't been told that SOGA played a part in the development of the two zones, would you be as whiney about the setting?  I odubt it.  You have a negative predisposition against anything coming from SOGA  or perhaps even anything coming from anywhere even with a suggestion of Asia. Because you don't like them doesn't mean others don't.  It doesn't even mean that anyone who likes them at all is wrong or damaged or whatever. Based on your comments here and in other places, I don't think you've ever seen any -real- medieval art or artifacts.  You might have seen Victorian Pre-Rafealite stuff, but that has very little connection to actual medieval imagery.  You'd probably complain that art done in France in the later 1400s was way too "Asian" (http://humanities.uchicago.edu/imag...eures/april.jpg).

Not sure you know very much about Medieval Art -- that image you showed is very typical of Medival art of the period. It is what was done in stuff like the Book of Hours.  I can't imagine what makes you think it looks Asian unless you don't know very much about Asian art which I suspect is the case.

Pre-Raphaelite art (note the correct spelling) is unique and unlike any other art. It is sui generis. The look of the armor in the paintings was however, taken from original Armor on display in the British Museum( have you even been there and seen it) I am thinking of the Gargoyles on Notre Dame ( surely you have seen pictures even if you have never been to France) and some of the other art of the Gothic Period which had a unique depiction of Evil. I suggest you attempt to find a book on French Tapistry and look at some of the depictions in it.

Western European Civilization defined evil, pictorially speaking, in a specific way - which did NOT include Victorian Fairies.

I like the art in Fallen Dynasty - fitted in with the locale -- so did the Arabian Nights look for Maj Dul. It is just you can't copy this arts to other locations, color it purple and Blue and call it Neriak. YOu may think you can but you probably aren't very familiar with the original Neriak!!

Oh and for your information I lived in France for several years so I AM very familiar with French art !!

I think what he was pointing out, that you seem to not get is that, just like his linked painting does have a Number things in commin with "asian" art, wich in your original Context is talking about ANIME, however it Like the Fae AND Arasai have a Unque stylistic aproch that differantiates itself from Anime.

Now if you are refuring to Neriak itself, based on posts elsewhere in this forum, Neriak does very much have an Asian them to it's building construction, its kind of a Highbrid Asian/Egyptian theam wich if you accually walk around Neriak and not just look at the Screen Caps of the big buildings I think you would agree they pulled it off fairly well.

BTW, in Many Midevil Cultures "Demons" and espceally "Gargoyles" were NOT the Definition of Evil... in fact many where consitered Good, and protectors... Much like the Dragon is in Japan and China. It was not until around the time of the Renisance(yes I spelled that wrong among other words) that the Beastial creatures where deemed evil. Personally I would LOVE to see a Good Beastial Race with the Horns and Spikes and all... that is a counter part to a simalar evil race.

As to this comment..

• "It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???"

So I guess Dark Elfs are just Warmed over High Elfs in your opionion too... heck Elfs are just Humans with long Ears so Elfs are Warmed over humans... And Barbarians are just Humans on Steriods so they are just warmed over humans too... and lets not even get in to Eriodites.

[Josgar]

ke'la wrote:

• "It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???"

So I guess Dark Elves are just Warmed over High Elves in your opionion too... heck Elves are just Humans with long Ears so Elves are Warmed over humans... And Barbarians are just Humans on Steriods so they are just warmed over humans too... and lets not even get in to Erudites. 

:O You have it all wrong! Dark Elves and Wood Elves are High Elves with skin differences and stunted growth Humans are Short High Elves with stubby ears Barbarians are the same but on Steroids Erudites are High Elves with a genetic disorder Arasai and Fae are short High Elves with slightly weird ears and wings pasted on their backs Gnomes are short High Elves Dwarves are short barbarians Ogres and Trolls are a result of a messed up experiment

[KerowynnKaotic]

Eniah@Valor wrote:

Lotus wrote:

-The dance is extremely evil. =P

The dance is extremely cool. Thank you for this one!! Whose dancing style of you guys is this?

I was curious so I logged on to the test server for this dance specifically ..

It's the Monster Mash.  

[Rijacki]

ke'la wrote:

Maroger wrote:

Rijacki wrote:

Maroger wrote:

Lotus wrote:

Arasai art stuff.   -Eyes do glow. -Skin is a bit more shiny/greasy in appearance and reflects back eye color. -Colors are restricted to primaries while the goody Fae can only choose pastels. -The Arasai get the darkest skin tones out of all of the races. -Wings are pulled from mammals, moths and creepy insects. -Hair is from some fun dark resources.  SuicideGirls , cosplay Japanese Gothic Lolita... -The dance is extremely evil. =P “Evil” is not always horns, spikes and flames from orifices.  Personally my favorite form of evil is found in Anne Rice books or Movies such as Bram Stoker’s Dracula.  The Arasai were meant to compete with the beauty of the DarkElfs as they are the ones responsible for the appearance of the Arasai. I hope this answers some questions.

It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???

I think what people are saying is that we prefer evil based on Medieval Gothic images from Western European Civlization NOT Japanese Gothic or something out of Lineage.

Fairies like the Fae remind me merely of some really ugly Victorian Fairy Painting of Richard Doyle

The Arasai are not "Japanese gothic" or "something out of Lineage".  Your racism is extremely tiresome.  If you hadn't been told that SOGA played a part in the development of the two zones, would you be as whiney about the setting?  I odubt it.  You have a negative predisposition against anything coming from SOGA  or perhaps even anything coming from anywhere even with a suggestion of Asia. Because you don't like them doesn't mean others don't.  It doesn't even mean that anyone who likes them at all is wrong or damaged or whatever. Based on your comments here and in other places, I don't think you've ever seen any -real- medieval art or artifacts.  You might have seen Victorian Pre-Rafealite stuff, but that has very little connection to actual medieval imagery.  You'd probably complain that art done in France in the later 1400s was way too "Asian" (http://humanities.uchicago.edu/imag...eures/april.jpg).

Not sure you know very much about Medieval Art -- that image you showed is very typical of Medival art of the period. It is what was done in stuff like the Book of Hours.  I can't imagine what makes you think it looks Asian unless you don't know very much about Asian art which I suspect is the case.

Pre-Raphaelite art (note the correct spelling) is unique and unlike any other art. It is sui generis. The look of the armor in the paintings was however, taken from original Armor on display in the British Museum( have you even been there and seen it) I am thinking of the Gargoyles on Notre Dame ( surely you have seen pictures even if you have never been to France) and some of the other art of the Gothic Period which had a unique depiction of Evil. I suggest you attempt to find a book on French Tapistry and look at some of the depictions in it.

Western European Civilization defined evil, pictorially speaking, in a specific way - which did NOT include Victorian Fairies.

I like the art in Fallen Dynasty - fitted in with the locale -- so did the Arabian Nights look for Maj Dul. It is just you can't copy this arts to other locations, color it purple and Blue and call it Neriak. YOu may think you can but you probably aren't very familiar with the original Neriak!!

Oh and for your information I lived in France for several years so I AM very familiar with French art !!

I think what he was pointing out, that you seem to not get is that, just like his linked painting does have a Number things in commin with "asian" art, wich in your original Context is talking about ANIME, however it Like the Fae AND Arasai have a Unque stylistic aproch that differantiates itself from Anime.

Now if you are refuring to Neriak itself, based on posts elsewhere in this forum, Neriak does very much have an Asian them to it's building construction, its kind of a Highbrid Asian/Egyptian theam wich if you accually walk around Neriak and not just look at the Screen Caps of the big buildings I think you would agree they pulled it off fairly well.

BTW, in Many Midevil Cultures "Demons" and espceally "Gargoyles" were NOT the Definition of Evil... in fact many where consitered Good, and protectors... Much like the Dragon is in Japan and China. It was not until around the time of the Renisance(yes I spelled that wrong among other words) that the Beastial creatures where deemed evil. Personally I would LOVE to see a Good Beastial Race with the Horns and Spikes and all... that is a counter part to a simalar evil race.

As to this comment..

• "It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???"

So I guess Dark Elfs are just Warmed over High Elfs in your opionion too... heck Elfs are just Humans with long Ears so Elfs are Warmed over humans... And Barbarians are just Humans on Steriods so they are just warmed over humans too... and lets not even get in to Eriodites.

pssst I'm a she   But.. you are right in why I chose that one to link.  It has tall -skinny- humans with rounded faces that are a lot like the SOGA.  It also has other elements that are common in Asian art even though it is, as Maroger said, a good example of the height of French Medieval illumination (it's from Le Tres Riches Houres de Duke de Berry).  I never said I was a perfect speller.  I frequently have to rely on spell checkers, fancy that, even with my degrees in History and English lit *laugh* (and employed as a tech writer). And.. I agree Ke'la, what -we- deem as evil images now wasn't "evil" in Medieval or Renaissance eras.  Most of it wasn't deemed "evil" until the Victorian era (when tables had to have skirts so men wouldn't be aroused by the legs *rolls her eyes*).  The Pre-Rafealite (yes, spelled it wrong again) art had a romantic nod to Medieval and Renaissance themes but had so very little in common with them. Oh and I have seen many pieces of Medieval and Renassance art (as well as others) in person both in the States and in several European countries, France amoung them.  I've even been to the locale of the art I linked... though it's not on display there *sniffle*, worth too much to have out of it's hermetically sealed vault.

[Tallika_Runwithbears]

Lotus wrote:

Arasai art stuff.   -Eyes do glow. -Skin is a bit more shiny/greasy in appearance and reflects back eye color. -Colors are restricted to primaries while the goody Fae can only choose pastels. -The Arasai get the darkest skin tones out of all of the races. -Wings are pulled from mammals, moths and creepy insects. -Hair is from some fun dark resources.  SuicideGirls , cosplay Japanese Gothic Lolita... -The dance is extremely evil. =P “Evil” is not always horns, spikes and flames from orifices.  Personally my favorite form of evil is found in Anne Rice books or Movies such as Bram Stoker’s Dracula.  The Arasai were meant to compete with the beauty of the DarkElfs as they are the ones responsible for the appearance of the Arasai. I hope this answers some questions.

i have to ask....  W T H was up with that dance Lotus???  me and my friend just about died laughing when we saw that thing...  we couldnt even describe it to anyone over teamspeak...

[Kamimura]

Lotus wrote:

Arasai art stuff. -The Arasai get the darkest skin tones out of all of the races.

I wanted to bump this back up because I was wondering about this.. I was creating a dark elf the other day, and I could get much darker colors than on my Arasai. It looks as if the Arasai skin tone should be able to go much darker (by choosing the very corners, for example) but the skin colors do not really appear as they do in that box. As if they were blending with some sort of base skin color, preventing them from going as dark or exactly as they should be.

[Serso]

Kamimura wrote:

Lotus wrote:

Arasai art stuff. -The Arasai get the darkest skin tones out of all of the races.

I wanted to bump this back up because I was wondering about this.. I was creating a dark elf the other day, and I could get much darker colors than on my Arasai. It looks as if the Arasai skin tone should be able to go much darker (by choosing the very corners, for example) but the skin colors do not really appear as they do in that box. As if they were blending with some sort of base skin color, preventing them from going as dark or exactly as they should be.

I would have to agree in contending with Lotus' claim here. I think the mood of the people is quite transparent when it comes to what skin tones should be available to Arasai.

 - Seliri D. of Nagafen

[liveja]

Maroger wrote:

It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???

The answer is that it's SOE's game, & SOE seems (for some bizarre reason) to be hooked on Faeries.

You do, of course, have options if you don't like it.

[Serso]

I think this is just an opportunity to provide a broader range of optioning for the consumer base (in this case, something securing a semblance of balance in a fairly adroit way), as from what I am able to conject, the amassing of future races will remain consistent as per need of lore expansion and appending. Sarnaks are rhinoceros transportation are already inbound, and that alone is enough to acknowledge the influx of content to come. Yeah, Rise of Kunark will be contending with the precedent of this expansion having served as the largest for EverQuest Live, but regardless, I still see this as a symbol of times to come. I just hope they will initiate the reformations for uniquity integral to this adoption for equity (in the very least, this being the restriction of skin tone shades in line with that of the amiable, beige gradient of the Fae).  - Seliri D. of Nagafen

[RoXx]

Make them as big as Trolls! Then we're talking evil. BIG BADDIE that can eat everything, no escape! (Im serious, would be much cooler if they were BIG opposed to the tiny fae's)

[Gondwana]

different colors and new hair dont make a new race imo, im a bit disapointed, this is a corrupted fae nothing else, in my humble opinion this is what a fae should look like when you betray to freeport, i was really hoping for somthing NEW for the new race

[Darian]

Gondwana@Venekor wrote:

different colors and new hair dont make a new race imo, im a bit disapointed, this is a corrupted fae nothing else, in my humble opinion this is what a fae should look like when you betray to freeport, i was really hoping for somthing NEW for the new race

Yeah I agree they should have just waited and added the Sarnak.

[Kamimura]

Gondwana@Venekor wrote:

different colors and new hair dont make a new race imo, im a bit disapointed, this is a corrupted fae nothing else, in my humble opinion this is what a fae should look like when you betray to freeport, i was really hoping for somthing NEW for the new race

Soo... the difference between high and dark elves..? (Where dark elves are corrupted high elves - with new skin colors and new hair styles.) It's a free add on.. not really too big a deal.. if you don't like fae or evil fae, hold your character slots until the Sarnak come.

[Xs-142]

Arasai really should have horns on their heads, and possibly thorns...

And veined bodies.. Possibly fingernails as long as little claws on hands and feet...

[Maroger]

Paznos@Mistmoore wrote:

Gondwana@Venekor wrote:

different colors and new hair dont make a new race imo, im a bit disapointed, this is a corrupted fae nothing else, in my humble opinion this is what a fae should look like when you betray to freeport, i was really hoping for somthing NEW for the new race

Yeah I agree they should have just waited and added the Sarnak.

I agree 100% -- I prefer the Sarnaks as the new evil race. Makes a lot more sense than re-colored Fae from EoF. I think Evil Fae has been a flop art wise and certainly not what those of use who play evil races expected.

[Maroger]

Rijacki wrote:

Maroger wrote:

Rijacki wrote:

Maroger wrote:

Lotus wrote:

Arasai art stuff.   -Eyes do glow. -Skin is a bit more shiny/greasy in appearance and reflects back eye color. -Colors are restricted to primaries while the goody Fae can only choose pastels. -The Arasai get the darkest skin tones out of all of the races. -Wings are pulled from mammals, moths and creepy insects. -Hair is from some fun dark resources.  SuicideGirls , cosplay Japanese Gothic Lolita... -The dance is extremely evil. =P “Evil” is not always horns, spikes and flames from orifices.  Personally my favorite form of evil is found in Anne Rice books or Movies such as Bram Stoker’s Dracula.  The Arasai were meant to compete with the beauty of the DarkElfs as they are the ones responsible for the appearance of the Arasai. I hope this answers some questions.

It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???

I think what people are saying is that we prefer evil based on Medieval Gothic images from Western European Civlization NOT Japanese Gothic or something out of Lineage.

Fairies like the Fae remind me merely of some really ugly Victorian Fairy Painting of Richard Doyle

The Arasai are not "Japanese gothic" or "something out of Lineage".  Your racism is extremely tiresome.  If you hadn't been told that SOGA played a part in the development of the two zones, would you be as whiney about the setting?  I odubt it.  You have a negative predisposition against anything coming from SOGA  or perhaps even anything coming from anywhere even with a suggestion of Asia. Because you don't like them doesn't mean others don't.  It doesn't even mean that anyone who likes them at all is wrong or damaged or whatever. Based on your comments here and in other places, I don't think you've ever seen any -real- medieval art or artifacts.  You might have seen Victorian Pre-Rafealite stuff, but that has very little connection to actual medieval imagery.  You'd probably complain that art done in France in the later 1400s was way too "Asian" (http://humanities.uchicago.edu/imag...eures/april.jpg).

Not sure you know very much about Medieval Art -- that image you showed is very typical of Medival art of the period. It is what was done in stuff like the Book of Hours.  I can't imagine what makes you think it looks Asian unless you don't know very much about Asian art which I suspect is the case.

Pre-Raphaelite art (note the correct spelling) is unique and unlike any other art. It is sui generis. The look of the armor in the paintings was however, taken from original Armor on display in the British Museum( have you even been there and seen it) I am thinking of the Gargoyles on Notre Dame ( surely you have seen pictures even if you have never been to France) and some of the other art of the Gothic Period which had a unique depiction of Evil. I suggest you attempt to find a book on French Tapistry and look at some of the depictions in it.

Western European Civilization defined evil, pictorially speaking, in a specific way - which did NOT include Victorian Fairies.

I like the art in Fallen Dynasty - fitted in with the locale -- so did the Arabian Nights look for Maj Dul. It is just you can't copy this arts to other locations, color it purple and Blue and call it Neriak. YOu may think you can but you probably aren't very familiar with the original Neriak!!

Oh and for your information I lived in France for several years so I AM very familiar with French art !!

I think what he was pointing out, that you seem to not get is that, just like his linked painting does have a Number things in commin with "asian" art, wich in your original Context is talking about ANIME, however it Like the Fae AND Arasai have a Unque stylistic aproch that differantiates itself from Anime.

Now if you are refuring to Neriak itself, based on posts elsewhere in this forum, Neriak does very much have an Asian them to it's building construction, its kind of a Highbrid Asian/Egyptian theam wich if you accually walk around Neriak and not just look at the Screen Caps of the big buildings I think you would agree they pulled it off fairly well.

BTW, in Many Midevil Cultures "Demons" and espceally "Gargoyles" were NOT the Definition of Evil... in fact many where consitered Good, and protectors... Much like the Dragon is in Japan and China. It was not until around the time of the Renisance(yes I spelled that wrong among other words) that the Beastial creatures where deemed evil. Personally I would LOVE to see a Good Beastial Race with the Horns and Spikes and all... that is a counter part to a simalar evil race.

As to this comment..

• "It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???"

So I guess Dark Elfs are just Warmed over High Elfs in your opionion too... heck Elfs are just Humans with long Ears so Elfs are Warmed over humans... And Barbarians are just Humans on Steriods so they are just warmed over humans too... and lets not even get in to Eriodites.

pssst I'm a she   But.. you are right in why I chose that one to link.  It has tall -skinny- humans with rounded faces that are a lot like the SOGA.  It also has other elements that are common in Asian art even though it is, as Maroger said, a good example of the height of French Medieval illumination (it's from Le Tres Riches Houres de Duke de Berry).  I never said I was a perfect speller.  I frequently have to rely on spell checkers, fancy that, even with my degrees in History and English lit *laugh* (and employed as a tech writer). And.. I agree Ke'la, what -we- deem as evil images now wasn't "evil" in Medieval or Renaissance eras.  Most of it wasn't deemed "evil" until the Victorian era (when tables had to have skirts so men wouldn't be aroused by the legs *rolls her eyes*).  The Pre-Rafealite (yes, spelled it wrong again) art had a romantic nod to Medieval and Renaissance themes but had so very little in common with them. Oh and I have seen many pieces of Medieval and Renassance art (as well as others) in person both in the States and in several European countries, France amoung them.  I've even been to the locale of the art I linked... though it's not on display there *sniffle*, worth too much to have out of it's hermetically sealed vault.

Tall skiiny humans with rounded faces ARE NOT LIKE SOGA - except in the mind of someone who knows nothing about the art conventions of that century. The problems you identify as SOGA like are result of lack of perspective, the role of religious symbolism, and the frame in which the objects are drawn.  Just because you saw them in person does not mean you understood what you saw.

They are talk and skinny to fit into the frame. They are tall to show the domination of the good. The artists  of that centure did NOT KNOW PERSPECTIVE -- it was a later discovery in art.  The faces are round because this is way the artist drew at that time since they did not know perspective.

Remember the point of the arts of that time was to show the prominence of good -- not to size them in they ways we know as modern perspective. There is a lot of symbolism which goes into the religious arts of the period -- that seems to have escaped you.

They are in NO WAY similar to any sort of SOGA art - !!

[Gondwana]

Kamimura wrote:

Gondwana@Venekor wrote:

different colors and new hair dont make a new race imo, im a bit disapointed, this is a corrupted fae nothing else, in my humble opinion this is what a fae should look like when you betray to freeport, i was really hoping for somthing NEW for the new race

Soo... the difference between high and dark elves..? (Where dark elves are corrupted high elves - with new skin colors and new hair styles.) It's a free add on.. not really too big a deal.. if you don't like fae or evil fae, hold your character slots until the Sarnak come.

yea i know, was just a bit dissapointed, would be cool with somthing really new. but free content

tbh SOE have done well lately, but who am i to call myself a real EQ2 player if i cant complain about somthing..  tbh i dont know the sarnak.

yea noob i know, but am really happy bout new evil start city cos i hate freeport, and therefor only have qeynos toons, a truly new race would be cool...  fae = been there done that

[Rijacki]

Maroger wrote:

Rijacki wrote:

Maroger wrote:

Rijacki wrote:

Maroger wrote:

Lotus wrote:

Arasai art stuff.   -Eyes do glow. -Skin is a bit more shiny/greasy in appearance and reflects back eye color. -Colors are restricted to primaries while the goody Fae can only choose pastels. -The Arasai get the darkest skin tones out of all of the races. -Wings are pulled from mammals, moths and creepy insects. -Hair is from some fun dark resources.  SuicideGirls , cosplay Japanese Gothic Lolita... -The dance is extremely evil. =P “Evil” is not always horns, spikes and flames from orifices.  Personally my favorite form of evil is found in Anne Rice books or Movies such as Bram Stoker’s Dracula.  The Arasai were meant to compete with the beauty of the DarkElfs as they are the ones responsible for the appearance of the Arasai. I hope this answers some questions.

It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???

I think what people are saying is that we prefer evil based on Medieval Gothic images from Western European Civlization NOT Japanese Gothic or something out of Lineage.

Fairies like the Fae remind me merely of some really ugly Victorian Fairy Painting of Richard Doyle

The Arasai are not "Japanese gothic" or "something out of Lineage".  Your racism is extremely tiresome.  If you hadn't been told that SOGA played a part in the development of the two zones, would you be as whiney about the setting?  I odubt it.  You have a negative predisposition against anything coming from SOGA  or perhaps even anything coming from anywhere even with a suggestion of Asia. Because you don't like them doesn't mean others don't.  It doesn't even mean that anyone who likes them at all is wrong or damaged or whatever. Based on your comments here and in other places, I don't think you've ever seen any -real- medieval art or artifacts.  You might have seen Victorian Pre-Rafealite stuff, but that has very little connection to actual medieval imagery.  You'd probably complain that art done in France in the later 1400s was way too "Asian" (http://humanities.uchicago.edu/imag...eures/april.jpg).

Not sure you know very much about Medieval Art -- that image you showed is very typical of Medival art of the period. It is what was done in stuff like the Book of Hours.  I can't imagine what makes you think it looks Asian unless you don't know very much about Asian art which I suspect is the case.

Pre-Raphaelite art (note the correct spelling) is unique and unlike any other art. It is sui generis. The look of the armor in the paintings was however, taken from original Armor on display in the British Museum( have you even been there and seen it) I am thinking of the Gargoyles on Notre Dame ( surely you have seen pictures even if you have never been to France) and some of the other art of the Gothic Period which had a unique depiction of Evil. I suggest you attempt to find a book on French Tapistry and look at some of the depictions in it.

Western European Civilization defined evil, pictorially speaking, in a specific way - which did NOT include Victorian Fairies.

I like the art in Fallen Dynasty - fitted in with the locale -- so did the Arabian Nights look for Maj Dul. It is just you can't copy this arts to other locations, color it purple and Blue and call it Neriak. YOu may think you can but you probably aren't very familiar with the original Neriak!!

Oh and for your information I lived in France for several years so I AM very familiar with French art !!

I think what he was pointing out, that you seem to not get is that, just like his linked painting does have a Number things in commin with "asian" art, wich in your original Context is talking about ANIME, however it Like the Fae AND Arasai have a Unque stylistic aproch that differantiates itself from Anime.

Now if you are refuring to Neriak itself, based on posts elsewhere in this forum, Neriak does very much have an Asian them to it's building construction, its kind of a Highbrid Asian/Egyptian theam wich if you accually walk around Neriak and not just look at the Screen Caps of the big buildings I think you would agree they pulled it off fairly well.

BTW, in Many Midevil Cultures "Demons" and espceally "Gargoyles" were NOT the Definition of Evil... in fact many where consitered Good, and protectors... Much like the Dragon is in Japan and China. It was not until around the time of the Renisance(yes I spelled that wrong among other words) that the Beastial creatures where deemed evil. Personally I would LOVE to see a Good Beastial Race with the Horns and Spikes and all... that is a counter part to a simalar evil race.

As to this comment..

• "It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???"

So I guess Dark Elfs are just Warmed over High Elfs in your opionion too... heck Elfs are just Humans with long Ears so Elfs are Warmed over humans... And Barbarians are just Humans on Steriods so they are just warmed over humans too... and lets not even get in to Eriodites.

pssst I'm a she   But.. you are right in why I chose that one to link.  It has tall -skinny- humans with rounded faces that are a lot like the SOGA.  It also has other elements that are common in Asian art even though it is, as Maroger said, a good example of the height of French Medieval illumination (it's from Le Tres Riches Houres de Duke de Berry).  I never said I was a perfect speller.  I frequently have to rely on spell checkers, fancy that, even with my degrees in History and English lit *laugh* (and employed as a tech writer). And.. I agree Ke'la, what -we- deem as evil images now wasn't "evil" in Medieval or Renaissance eras.  Most of it wasn't deemed "evil" until the Victorian era (when tables had to have skirts so men wouldn't be aroused by the legs *rolls her eyes*).  The Pre-Rafealite (yes, spelled it wrong again) art had a romantic nod to Medieval and Renaissance themes but had so very little in common with them. Oh and I have seen many pieces of Medieval and Renassance art (as well as others) in person both in the States and in several European countries, France amoung them.  I've even been to the locale of the art I linked... though it's not on display there *sniffle*, worth too much to have out of it's hermetically sealed vault.

Tall skiiny humans with rounded faces ARE NOT LIKE SOGA - except in the mind of someone who knows nothing about the art conventions of that century. The problems you identify as SOGA like are result of lack of perspective, the role of religious symbolism, and the frame in which the objects are drawn.  Just because you saw them in person does not mean you understood what you saw.

They are talk and skinny to fit into the frame. They are tall to show the domination of the good. The artists  of that centure did NOT KNOW PERSPECTIVE -- it was a later discovery in art.  The faces are round because this is way the artist drew at that time since they did not know perspective.

Remember the point of the arts of that time was to show the prominence of good -- not to size them in they ways we know as modern perspective. There is a lot of symbolism which goes into the religious arts of the period -- that seems to have escaped you.

They are in NO WAY similar to any sort of SOGA art - !!

You don't know diddly about me nor do you know much about the art of that time if you think that was how all art was in that time.  The tall slender bodies of not only the nobles but the commononers/serfs (other pictures) was a characteristic of those artists who painted most of that book. I was not saying they look identical to SOGA just that they share traits similar.  SOGA has skinny skinny bodies which are taller than the other models (or just the ubah skinniness makes them that way) in the same way these figures are tall, slender, and with rounded faces.  In Le Tres Riches Houres, if you look at the calendar pages done by the Frere Limbourgh vs the ones finished by Columbine, the ones by Columbine more closely resemble the art of most of the age, or even later, with shorter rounded bodies.  The art done by Frere Limbourgh has been likened to ethereal not a sign of who is or isn't "important".  In your analysis, the peasant warming her feet on a fire in February would be "good" and important.  Nope, just showing the season in -their- style. And... the idea they didn't know anything about perspective is 100% bovine excreta.  There is perspective in art by the mid 1400s, especially in illumination (the art work in books) where it didn't need to be as stylised and rigid as the artwork in churches.  The picture I linked is from a time of transisition in a lot of things.

[liveja]

I'm not going to get into the argument about medieval art history & techniques.

I will say, however, that from my POV (& in this utterly subjective context, in which we're discussing purely subjective aesthetic opinion, my POV is the only one that matters) the Arasai don't strike me as looking especially "evil" or "corrupted". If I were to go on pure appearance, I would not be able to easily tell the difference between them & the Fae; I'm not sure I could tell the difference at all, easily or otherwise.

I'm sure there are details that might distinguish one from the other. I'm sure there's a great background lore story as to how the Arasai differ from the Fae, both in origins & thought/philosophy. What I'm saying is this:

A. The details, whatever they are, are not sufficient for me to tell, at a glance, the difference between an Arasai & a Fae. If I look at a High Elf & a Dark Elf, I can easily tell them apart from pretty much any distance. If I zoom in close enough to see facial details, I can easily tell the difference between a High Elf, a Wood Elf, & a Half Elf. I cannot tell the difference between a Fae & an Arasai that are standing next to each other.

B. Whatever amounts of lore there are don't help to physically distinguish Arasai from Fae in the game world.

I think we can all agree that "evil" is not necessarily twisted & hideous. I think we can also agree that you can make creatures look dark & sinister without making them ugly. At this point, I do not believe that the Arasai look particularly evil, & I  would like to see something done to change that. Because as it stands right now, they very much feel, to me, as if they're nothing but Fae with a different name.

[Rijacki]

I agree that the differences between them is more subtle than many would like. Personally, I like the subtlty. The wing types are different: moths, bugs, bats, and other such that are generally considered "icky" vs. butterflies, dragonflies, and other such that are considered ethreal. Besides, can you distinguish a good human from evil? As for the design & body model. While I dislike the SOGA for all other races, I think it is well proportioned for the fae and arasai and gives them an ethreal, fantastical look. Even with the finishing touches and the wing art being done in San Diego, they're well put together in my opinion.

[liveja]

Rijacki wrote:

they're well put together in my opinion.

I think all of the art in the game is "well put together". I just wish they'd put all that wonderful effort into more distinguishing features for the Arasai. Frankly, while I realize the wings are different, I've so far felt they're not different enough. For me right now, the only thing distinguishing the Arasai experience from the Fae experience is that the Arasai n00b yard is (IMHO) very much better from the Fae n00b yard.

I honestly have to admit, though, that it's very frustrating: I can't fully articulate why I think the Arasai don't look "evil", nor do I have any concrete suggestions as to how they could be made to look "evil". I am looking forward, tho, to the day when we see a Fae Shadow Knight standing side-by-side with an Arasai Paladin, putting them in identical armor, & then trying to decide which is which.

[Frain]

Please give them tatoos or piercings! that would look realy great! And you would be able to do alot more whith them, as it is now its not enough.

[ke'la]

Josgar wrote:

ke'la wrote:

• "It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???"

So I guess Dark Elves are just Warmed over High Elves in your opionion too... heck Elves are just Humans with long Ears so Elves are Warmed over humans... And Barbarians are just Humans on Steriods so they are just warmed over humans too... and lets not even get in to Erudites. 

:O You have it all wrong! Dark Elves and Wood Elves are High Elves with skin differences and stunted growth Humans are Short High Elves with stubby ears Barbarians are the same but on Steroids Erudites are High Elves with a genetic disorder Arasai and Fae are short High Elves with slightly weird ears and wings pasted on their backs Gnomes are short High Elves Dwarves are short barbarians Ogres and Trolls are a result of a messed up experiment

A High Elf would think that but I have it on "good"* athority that infact all races are accually Warmed over Half-Elfs.

*good as in I consulted my [Removed for Content] oraface.(I pulled it out of my

[ke'la]

livejazz wrote:

I'm not going to get into the argument about medieval art history & techniques.

I will say, however, that from my POV (& in this utterly subjective context, in which we're discussing purely subjective aesthetic opinion, my POV is the only one that matters) the Arasai don't strike me as looking especially "evil" or "corrupted". If I were to go on pure appearance, I would not be able to easily tell the difference between them & the Fae; I'm not sure I could tell the difference at all, easily or otherwise.

I'm sure there are details that might distinguish one from the other. I'm sure there's a great background lore story as to how the Arasai differ from the Fae, both in origins & thought/philosophy. What I'm saying is this:

A. The details, whatever they are, are not sufficient for me to tell, at a glance, the difference between an Arasai & a Fae. If I look at a High Elf & a Dark Elf, I can easily tell them apart from pretty much any distance. If I zoom in close enough to see facial details, I can easily tell the difference between a High Elf, a Wood Elf, & a Half Elf. I cannot tell the difference between a Fae & an Arasai that are standing next to each other.

B. Whatever amounts of lore there are don't help to physically distinguish Arasai from Fae in the game world.

I think we can all agree that "evil" is not necessarily twisted & hideous. I think we can also agree that you can make creatures look dark & sinister without making them ugly. At this point, I do not believe that the Arasai look particularly evil, & I  would like to see something done to change that. Because as it stands right now, they very much feel, to me, as if they're nothing but Fae with a different name.

Maybe it's because I have been playing a fae for the last few months but IMO unless you make the effort to make the Fae look more evil or the Arasai look more good, the 2 races look very differant to me atleast as differant at the Dark Elfs are from the High elfs.

I posted somewher else the differances in the color wheels between the 2 races and that does not tell the whole story of the differances.