Nizara

GastonPhoebus · 04-08-2007, 11:38 AM

Okay, so last night was my first time in Nizara.

My, what a busy place for a Coercer! I freely admit I was not on my A game last night in the first place, but I was a bit more befuddled than usual when going into a new zone. Was hoping the more experienced could perhaps offer some advice/suggestions to help me for the next run (and I plan on lots until I get it right!).

I started out with no pet, doing the group mez to moderate the damage output on the (excellent) tank. I would single target mez as well, stun, debuff, the usual. At some point I ended up with a pet, a snake Praetor who did some awesome damage. At this point it got a little tricky as I was trying to manage a volatile pet (I have M1 Dominate, still cannot afford Domination) AND do the group mez, CC thing. The pet broke a couple of times, killing me in one or two hits (Master mez resisted, Subj at 424), once wiped the group as we were fighting the epic x 4 mob.

Fact of the matter is I have never had to Tab target to mez things before. Up until now I usually positioned myself in such a way as to clearly view the encounter, mouse target the mob to be mezzed, and no problem. Well, in Nizara with the tight corridors and the knock-backs I was blind much of the time as I was pressed against a wall, or huddled in a corner, and although I got better at the Tab target thing, still was not good. The frequent target changes also made things difficult (mob taunted the tank off target, and that one named who forces people to stay targetted on her).

So, to those Coercers who have played this zone a lot, what is your basic tactic? It seems clear that having a Praetor pet is great for the DPS, but with Charm breaks it kinda makes me nervous- especially cause the mob resists the Charm break stun easily and poof! Dead Coercer!

Any advice, comments are welcome!

Thanks!

Mistletoes · 04-08-2007, 12:20 PM

I usually lock everything down with mez. If there are plenty of mobs, I start off with an AE mez, then go around and single target mez. If group DPS is not already crazy, I will charm one mob and use him against the others. At the end of each fight, I release the pet. Not every fight do I take a pet though. I usually don't. What you see with pets breaking is very common for me too. I generally won't even try to keep one in there anymore. That said, I haven't tried to keep a charmed pet since the last "resist" update, so it might actually be better now.

ximo · 04-08-2007, 02:54 PM

I have always had enough dps in the grp to not need a pet, and I found the conc better spent on buffs. Basically I do what you said, open with grp mex then tab thru and single mez, and if there are tons to mez recast the grp mez n between while your waiting for a refresh on your single mez. Would be keen to hear any other tactics tho.

JackAll · 04-08-2007, 04:44 PM

Get a bard pet when posible. They ROCK!

Their group buff changes from charm to charm, even if its the same mob so keep an eye on it. Some are defensive some are offensive.

You basicly get all bard buffs rolled into 1 SMILEY

It even stacks with the normal bard buffs

Roriondesexiest · 04-09-2007, 10:25 AM

I am normally one that will always keep a pet in a group, but in Nizara I use charm as an extra CC, I charm the mob for the fight then have the group kill it after the fight is over, they just break too easily and hit too hard to keep as a long term pet.

Ibunubi · 04-09-2007, 10:23 PM

I keep a pet charmed the entire time in Nizara. I get the one with dirge buffs for their NPC group buff. It also Flame Claws all the time, which is an extra stun on everything, including those immune to stun, plus it's nice that one Flame Claw can do 10k+ damage.

I usually grab one of the ^^^ in one of the basement floors that are alone because if you charm the ones in the groups of 3, it has the chance to randomly respawn during a fight, and when it resets, it resets to a new encounter with three new mobs.

The dirge mobs change names every time.

DwarvesR · 04-11-2007, 05:45 AM

I finally dinged 70 today on my coercer and made my 1st Nizara run. Was much fun! My biggest complaint right now is that even with M1 mezzes and stuns I'm still getting resisted left and right. Oddly, my group mez seemed to be resisted less than my single mez, in spite of the whole 21% harder vs 3% easier thing. Go figure. I'm obviously still learning the zone, so I was more focused on the CC aspects than anything, but hope to go again soon and see about possibly charming a nice pet to help with dps too.

Trid · 04-24-2007, 08:22 AM

I know there is some that will disagree with me but i have seen a huge diffrence in raid zones,nizara, castle mm to use my sub gear. I have done raids in my just normal int gear and all my m1 mez will get resisted a ton. I put on suj gear that gets me about 50 more in it i still will get resisted once and a while but not nearly as bad as without it. And being the only enchanter in the raid force or group most of the time that is big deal.

Fawlyn · 04-26-2007, 04:30 PM

Learn every pull. Know exactly how many snakes come with each pull. How each pull is made.

I go through Nizara in 1hr - 1.5 hrs now days with ease. Rarelly use group mez on any snake encounters that do not include praetors or named.

Once you learn every single pull the zone is cake.

Blumfield · 04-30-2007, 08:31 AM

Anyone who tells you subj skill doesn't matter is mistaken. Now, I almost never get resisted in nizara with master mezzes and 420 subj, whereas before I brought my subj skill up, I was getting at least one resist every pull.

As for whether to charm every pull or at all, it depends on the group makeup. In a very good group, charming at all can waste everybody's time. In a group that's sub-optimal in healing, charming every encounter then killing the pet last seems to work best. In a group with low dps, keeping one pet charmed the whole time seems to be most effective.

Schmutzen, Vox

whytakemine · 05-02-2007, 05:59 PM

I'm not super experienced with Nizara, but can maybe give you some pointers.

With 424 subj and master mezz, I'm surprised you were getting resisted very frequently. Or was it your pet breaking charm that seemed to happen too much? If it's breaking charm a lot, it might be that your pet is pulling aggro. Every time it takes damage there's a chance for charm to break remember. Just hold your pet back for a few seconds if this is the problem. Charm will break, but if I had to estimate how often it breaks for me I'd say once every 4-5 encounters. That's with ~420 subj and master charm, no points in the AA line.

Like others have said, I pretty much only keep a pet if the group is low on dps or healing power. If I do keep a pet, I keep my pet targeted 90% of the time so if it does break charm I can mezz or root it to get it recharmed. On encounters with 5+ targets, don't forget you can root too. I start with group mezz, then ST mezz/root them and let the tank pick them off one by one.

The last named I let the tank pull and group mezz immediately. If I don't get both the adds, I ST mezz the one that resisted (never had both resist). I then charm one and send it after the named. It will break charm at some point so you just have to juggle keeping the one add mezzed and the other charmed. Not too hard really, but takes a little practice.

The zone is a lot more forgiving than it used to be, still fun though.

Blumfield · 05-03-2007, 02:35 PM

responded to a response that was not responding to me

freesee · 05-04-2007, 03:40 PM

Subj rules, and i charm for the entire zone as well, the ishi's ishu's do major dmg, some hitting over 20k. Plus for some reason, it seemed we were hit with fire claw less when i had a mob charmed. Group Mezz on every pull and stun like crazy through out the fight (s). Dont bother charming a mob if you dont have master charm tho.

GastonPhoebus · 05-18-2007, 11:48 AM

It's been a couple months since I originally started this thread and thought I would stop by for an update.

I have been able to get my Subjugation to 438 now (raiding to get those Lyceum items but no luck so far) and went back to Nizara for the second time last week. After playing around trying to find the right mob to charm I finally settled on a Dirge-type two-up snake lady. I noticed a significant reduction in Charm breaks- in fact, I kept this pet through the entire rest of the zone with only a couple of breaks that were easily managed. This pet, even though not picked up at the beginning of the zone, parsed on top of the group ahead of our uber Guild Assassin, so there was no significant damage reduction with the ^^ as opposed to the ^^^. On the final encounter I was able to charm one of the adds for the entire duration of the fight and sent her after the Boss mob with a fair amount of success- only two wipes before we triumphed!

In response to the poster who mentioned the decreased flame claw on the group I will second that. Our tank did mention a couple of times that he was not getting flame clawed very much. I don't know if that is due to the charmed pet or not, but thought I would mention it.

For any Coercer who has not done this zone, do it! This is the experience you are looking for as a Coercer.... it takes skill and concentration to beat this zone and the Coercer is critical to group success.

More updates later as I learn more!

04-08-2007, 04:44 PM	#4
JackAll Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 282	Get a bard pet when posible. They ROCK! Their group buff changes from charm to charm, even if its the same mob so keep an eye on it. Some are defensive some are offensive. You basicly get all bard buffs rolled into 1 It even stacks with the normal bard buffs

04-09-2007, 10:25 AM	#5
Roriondesexiest Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 581	I am normally one that will always keep a pet in a group, but in Nizara I use charm as an extra CC, I charm the mob for the fight then have the group kill it after the fight is over, they just break too easily and hit too hard to keep as a long term pet. __________________

04-09-2007, 10:23 PM	#6
Ibunubi Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 346	I keep a pet charmed the entire time in Nizara. I get the one with dirge buffs for their NPC group buff. It also Flame Claws all the time, which is an extra stun on everything, including those immune to stun, plus it's nice that one Flame Claw can do 10k+ damage. I usually grab one of the ^^^ in one of the basement floors that are alone because if you charm the ones in the groups of 3, it has the chance to randomly respawn during a fight, and when it resets, it resets to a new encounter with three new mobs. The dirge mobs change names every time. __________________

04-11-2007, 05:45 AM	#7
DwarvesR General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,390	I finally dinged 70 today on my coercer and made my 1st Nizara run. Was much fun! My biggest complaint right now is that even with M1 mezzes and stuns I'm still getting resisted left and right. Oddly, my group mez seemed to be resisted less than my single mez, in spite of the whole 21% harder vs 3% easier thing. Go figure. I'm obviously still learning the zone, so I was more focused on the CC aspects than anything, but hope to go again soon and see about possibly charming a nice pet to help with dps too. __________________ Jonna - 78 Inquisitor, Keodan - 77 Fury, Elynna - 90 Coercer, Clarisse - 90 ShadowKnight, Gotter - 90 Warlock, Kyeda - 66 Necromancer, Spirrita - 66 Defiler, Darlana - 75 Dirge, Meylota - 54 Warden, Guuk - 60 Monk, Briarra - 55 Brigand, Dactylus - 51 Mystic

05-02-2007, 05:59 PM	#11
whytakemine Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 170	I'm not super experienced with Nizara, but can maybe give you some pointers. With 424 subj and master mezz, I'm surprised you were getting resisted very frequently. Or was it your pet breaking charm that seemed to happen too much? If it's breaking charm a lot, it might be that your pet is pulling aggro. Every time it takes damage there's a chance for charm to break remember. Just hold your pet back for a few seconds if this is the problem. Charm will break, but if I had to estimate how often it breaks for me I'd say once every 4-5 encounters. That's with ~420 subj and master charm, no points in the AA line. Like others have said, I pretty much only keep a pet if the group is low on dps or healing power. If I do keep a pet, I keep my pet targeted 90% of the time so if it does break charm I can mezz or root it to get it recharmed. On encounters with 5+ targets, don't forget you can root too. I start with group mezz, then ST mezz/root them and let the tank pick them off one by one. The last named I let the tank pull and group mezz immediately. If I don't get both the adds, I ST mezz the one that resisted (never had both resist). I then charm one and send it after the named. It will break charm at some point so you just have to juggle keeping the one add mezzed and the other charmed. Not too hard really, but takes a little practice. The zone is a lot more forgiving than it used to be, still fun though. __________________ - Carbajal (car' ba hal), 80 assassin ÂÂChitlin, 80 coercer

04-08-2007, 11:38 AM	#1
GastonPhoebus Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 80	Okay, so last night was my first time in Nizara. My, what a busy place for a Coercer! I freely admit I was not on my A game last night in the first place, but I was a bit more befuddled than usual when going into a new zone. Was hoping the more experienced could perhaps offer some advice/suggestions to help me for the next run (and I plan on lots until I get it right!). I started out with no pet, doing the group mez to moderate the damage output on the (excellent) tank. I would single target mez as well, stun, debuff, the usual. At some point I ended up with a pet, a snake Praetor who did some awesome damage. At this point it got a little tricky as I was trying to manage a volatile pet (I have M1 Dominate, still cannot afford Domination) AND do the group mez, CC thing. The pet broke a couple of times, killing me in one or two hits (Master mez resisted, Subj at 424), once wiped the group as we were fighting the epic x 4 mob. Fact of the matter is I have never had to Tab target to mez things before. Up until now I usually positioned myself in such a way as to clearly view the encounter, mouse target the mob to be mezzed, and no problem. Well, in Nizara with the tight corridors and the knock-backs I was blind much of the time as I was pressed against a wall, or huddled in a corner, and although I got better at the Tab target thing, still was not good. The frequent target changes also made things difficult (mob taunted the tank off target, and that one named who forces people to stay targetted on her). So, to those Coercers who have played this zone a lot, what is your basic tactic? It seems clear that having a Praetor pet is great for the DPS, but with Charm breaks it kinda makes me nervous- especially cause the mob resists the Charm break stun easily and poof! Dead Coercer! Any advice, comments are welcome! Thanks!

04-08-2007, 12:20 PM	#2
Mistletoes Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 128	I usually lock everything down with mez. If there are plenty of mobs, I start off with an AE mez, then go around and single target mez. If group DPS is not already crazy, I will charm one mob and use him against the others. At the end of each fight, I release the pet. Not every fight do I take a pet though. I usually don't. What you see with pets breaking is very common for me too. I generally won't even try to keep one in there anymore. That said, I haven't tried to keep a charmed pet since the last "resist" update, so it might actually be better now.

04-08-2007, 02:54 PM	#3
ximo Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London, UK Posts: 133	I have always had enough dps in the grp to not need a pet, and I found the conc better spent on buffs. Basically I do what you said, open with grp mex then tab thru and single mez, and if there are tons to mez recast the grp mez n between while your waiting for a refresh on your single mez. Would be keen to hear any other tactics tho.

04-24-2007, 08:22 AM	#8
Trid General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 23	I know there is some that will disagree with me but i have seen a huge diffrence in raid zones,nizara, castle mm to use my sub gear. I have done raids in my just normal int gear and all my m1 mez will get resisted a ton. I put on suj gear that gets me about 50 more in it i still will get resisted once and a while but not nearly as bad as without it. And being the only enchanter in the raid force or group most of the time that is big deal.

04-26-2007, 04:30 PM	#9
Fawlyn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 16	Learn every pull. Know exactly how many snakes come with each pull. How each pull is made. I go through Nizara in 1hr - 1.5 hrs now days with ease. Rarelly use group mez on any snake encounters that do not include praetors or named. Once you learn every single pull the zone is cake.

04-30-2007, 08:31 AM	#10
Blumfield Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 145	Anyone who tells you subj skill doesn't matter is mistaken. Now, I almost never get resisted in nizara with master mezzes and 420 subj, whereas before I brought my subj skill up, I was getting at least one resist every pull. As for whether to charm every pull or at all, it depends on the group makeup. In a very good group, charming at all can waste everybody's time. In a group that's sub-optimal in healing, charming every encounter then killing the pet last seems to work best. In a group with low dps, keeping one pet charmed the whole time seems to be most effective. Schmutzen, Vox

05-03-2007, 02:35 PM	#12
Blumfield Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 145	responded to a response that was not responding to me

05-04-2007, 03:40 PM	#13
freesee Lord Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6	Subj rules, and i charm for the entire zone as well, the ishi's ishu's do major dmg, some hitting over 20k. Plus for some reason, it seemed we were hit with fire claw less when i had a mob charmed. Group Mezz on every pull and stun like crazy through out the fight (s). Dont bother charming a mob if you dont have master charm tho. __________________ http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t...t/dynamooo.gif

05-18-2007, 11:48 AM	#14
GastonPhoebus Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 80	It's been a couple months since I originally started this thread and thought I would stop by for an update. I have been able to get my Subjugation to 438 now (raiding to get those Lyceum items but no luck so far) and went back to Nizara for the second time last week. After playing around trying to find the right mob to charm I finally settled on a Dirge-type two-up snake lady. I noticed a significant reduction in Charm breaks- in fact, I kept this pet through the entire rest of the zone with only a couple of breaks that were easily managed. This pet, even though not picked up at the beginning of the zone, parsed on top of the group ahead of our uber Guild Assassin, so there was no significant damage reduction with the ^^ as opposed to the ^^^. On the final encounter I was able to charm one of the adds for the entire duration of the fight and sent her after the Boss mob with a fair amount of success- only two wipes before we triumphed! In response to the poster who mentioned the decreased flame claw on the group I will second that. Our tank did mention a couple of times that he was not getting flame clawed very much. I don't know if that is due to the charmed pet or not, but thought I would mention it. For any Coercer who has not done this zone, do it! This is the experience you are looking for as a Coercer.... it takes skill and concentration to beat this zone and the Coercer is critical to group success. More updates later as I learn more!